Vfat error kinda long

Win 98 SE 256mb PIII 1 gb. 80gb drive partitioned C:, D: and E:
I'm getting a Vfat error when booting and shutting down. I have to
use the reset button when the error appears.
I can get into Safe Mode
I have run Scandisk every time with no errors. The first time there
was a lost cluster that was fixed.
I ran a surface scan beyond the file area with no bad clusters.
Ran Defrag
Fast shutdown is disabled.
I have disabled almost everything in the Startup in MSconfig.
Trying Bootlog from Boot menu but it ends when Scandisk starts. I'm
going to try to work around that by temporarily disabling Scandisk.
When booting it finishes loading the desktop icons and the volume
control and clock in the systray and appears ready to go but it's
frozen.
After running Scandisk and going into Safe mode a few times it will
eventually load normal mode ok. But then the error appears when
shutting down and I go through it all again.
I installed Windows into a different folder and when I boot with
that all is ok. I'm using it now.

I have a recent backup before this problem on a second drive and am
considering formatting drive 1 and copying drive 2 over. I have MAX
Blast 3 that I've used from real dos to do partition copies but I
tested it and it doesn't see the partitions on drive 2 (source)
which is a Western Digital drive.

I have searched and found vfat articles and there are many but don't
seem to apply to this, mostly with programs I don't have or use.

I would do an over-install but not as long as the problem exists.
Using a clean install would take at least a week to re-install the
software and devices.

Sorry this is so long but I felt the info was needed.

Any ideas appreciated.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/

There have been two different threads about this in the last two months,
possibly maybe hopefully one of them has some info for you Bill. The first
post was was back on June2 and this person did use the 2 replies of info
given to solve the
problem. This is just the header info so you can find the rest of the
posts to it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Original Message ----
From: "Pat Miller"
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:46 PM
Subject: VFAT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Also again at the begining of August there was another post with lots of
threads to it but I'm not sure if that was ever resolved yet? Anyway,
here's that begining headers info to help you find it:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Original Message ----
From: "Danny"
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:55 PM
Subject: VFAT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


good luck,

Rick



Bill Watt wrote:
Win 98 SE 256mb PIII 1 gb. 80gb drive partitioned C:, D: and E:
I'm getting a Vfat error when booting and shutting down. I have to
use the reset button when the error appears.
I can get into Safe Mode
I have run Scandisk every time with no errors. The first time there
was a lost cluster that was fixed.
I ran a surface scan beyond the file area with no bad clusters.
Ran Defrag
Fast shutdown is disabled.
I have disabled almost everything in the Startup in MSconfig.
Trying Bootlog from Boot menu but it ends when Scandisk starts. I'm
going to try to work around that by temporarily disabling Scandisk.
When booting it finishes loading the desktop icons and the volume
control and clock in the systray and appears ready to go but it's
frozen.
After running Scandisk and going into Safe mode a few times it will
eventually load normal mode ok. But then the error appears when
shutting down and I go through it all again.
I installed Windows into a different folder and when I boot with
that all is ok. I'm using it now.

I have a recent backup before this problem on a second drive and am
considering formatting drive 1 and copying drive 2 over. I have MAX
Blast 3 that I've used from real dos to do partition copies but I
tested it and it doesn't see the partitions on drive 2 (source)
which is a Western Digital drive.

I have searched and found vfat articles and there are many but don't
seem to apply to this, mostly with programs I don't have or use.

I would do an over-install but not as long as the problem exists.
Using a clean install would take at least a week to re-install the
software and devices.

Sorry this is so long but I felt the info was needed.

Any ideas appreciated.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/

Thanks Rick,

However, neither of the threads have any solutions I don't have
setup already. I should have included the error message. That should
have been first!!
Fatal exception OE in VXD Vfat (01). System halted. Wait or restart.

Bill
__________________________________________________
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:48:35 -0400, "Rick Chauvin"
wrote:

There have been two different threads about this in the last two months,
possibly maybe hopefully one of them has some info for you Bill. The first
post was was back on June2 and this person did use the 2 replies of info
given to solve the
problem. This is just the header info so you can find the rest of the
posts to it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Original Message ----
From: "Pat Miller"
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:46 PM
Subject: VFAT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Also again at the begining of August there was another post with lots of
threads to it but I'm not sure if that was ever resolved yet? Anyway,
here's that begining headers info to help you find it:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Original Message ----
From: "Danny"
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:55 PM
Subject: VFAT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


good luck,

Rick



Bill Watt wrote:
Win 98 SE 256mb PIII 1 gb. 80gb drive partitioned C:, D: and E:
I'm getting a Vfat error when booting and shutting down. I have to
use the reset button when the error appears.
I can get into Safe Mode
I have run Scandisk every time with no errors. The first time there
was a lost cluster that was fixed.
I ran a surface scan beyond the file area with no bad clusters.
Ran Defrag
Fast shutdown is disabled.
I have disabled almost everything in the Startup in MSconfig.
Trying Bootlog from Boot menu but it ends when Scandisk starts. I'm
going to try to work around that by temporarily disabling Scandisk.
When booting it finishes loading the desktop icons and the volume
control and clock in the systray and appears ready to go but it's
frozen.
After running Scandisk and going into Safe mode a few times it will
eventually load normal mode ok. But then the error appears when
shutting down and I go through it all again.
I installed Windows into a different folder and when I boot with
that all is ok. I'm using it now.

I have a recent backup before this problem on a second drive and am
considering formatting drive 1 and copying drive 2 over. I have MAX
Blast 3 that I've used from real dos to do partition copies but I
tested it and it doesn't see the partitions on drive 2 (source)
which is a Western Digital drive.

I have searched and found vfat articles and there are many but don't
seem to apply to this, mostly with programs I don't have or use.

I would do an over-install but not as long as the problem exists.
Using a clean install would take at least a week to re-install the
software and devices.

Sorry this is so long but I felt the info was needed.

Any ideas appreciated.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/

Bill, You might want to try copying the vmm32.vxd from the parallel
install over to the original \windows\system folder. VFAT.VXD is inside
the monolithic driver file; vmm32.vxd. Perhaps the file has a small
corruption in it. They should be identical, but I'd rename the old
one just in case.

This doesn't match your error message, but you might check it out
for clues.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=139063




"Bill Watt" wrote in message ...

Thanks Rick,

However, neither of the threads have any solutions I don't have
setup already. I should have included the error message. That should
have been first!!
Fatal exception OE in VXD Vfat (01). System halted. Wait or restart.

Bill
__________________________________________________
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:48:35 -0400, "Rick Chauvin"
wrote:

There have been two different threads about this in the last two months,
possibly maybe hopefully one of them has some info for you Bill. The first
post was was back on June2 and this person did use the 2 replies of info
given to solve the
problem. This is just the header info so you can find the rest of the
posts to it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Original Message ----
From: "Pat Miller"
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:46 PM
Subject: VFAT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Also again at the begining of August there was another post with lots of
threads to it but I'm not sure if that was ever resolved yet? Anyway,
here's that begining headers info to help you find it:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Original Message ----
From: "Danny"
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:55 PM
Subject: VFAT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


good luck,

Rick



Bill Watt wrote:
Win 98 SE 256mb PIII 1 gb. 80gb drive partitioned C:, D: and E:
I'm getting a Vfat error when booting and shutting down. I have to
use the reset button when the error appears.
I can get into Safe Mode
I have run Scandisk every time with no errors. The first time there
was a lost cluster that was fixed.
I ran a surface scan beyond the file area with no bad clusters.
Ran Defrag
Fast shutdown is disabled.
I have disabled almost everything in the Startup in MSconfig.
Trying Bootlog from Boot menu but it ends when Scandisk starts. I'm
going to try to work around that by temporarily disabling Scandisk.
When booting it finishes loading the desktop icons and the volume
control and clock in the systray and appears ready to go but it's
frozen.
After running Scandisk and going into Safe mode a few times it will
eventually load normal mode ok. But then the error appears when
shutting down and I go through it all again.
I installed Windows into a different folder and when I boot with
that all is ok. I'm using it now.

I have a recent backup before this problem on a second drive and am
considering formatting drive 1 and copying drive 2 over. I have MAX
Blast 3 that I've used from real dos to do partition copies but I
tested it and it doesn't see the partitions on drive 2 (source)
which is a Western Digital drive.

I have searched and found vfat articles and there are many but don't
seem to apply to this, mostly with programs I don't have or use.

I would do an over-install but not as long as the problem exists.
Using a clean install would take at least a week to re-install the
software and devices.

Sorry this is so long but I felt the info was needed.

Any ideas appreciated.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:39:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
wrote:

Bill, You might want to try copying the vmm32.vxd from the parallel
install over to the original \windows\system folder. VFAT.VXD is inside
the monolithic driver file; vmm32.vxd. Perhaps the file has a small
corruption in it. They should be identical, but I'd rename the old
one just in case.

This doesn't match your error message, but you might check it out
for clues.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=139063

Thanks Bill,

None of the cures in the article apply, I've had Ifshlp Remmed since
Win95.

I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.
They are slightly different. It booted anyway after the error msg.

The only other error I get is;
Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD (07).
I got this message before but it's an audio file so I uninstalled
WMP or whatever it was. No error for awhile but now it takes turns
with the VFAT error. Both freeze the system. These came up suddenly
and I had not made any changes or installs.

After using reset and Scandisk once or twice Windows loads ok.

If I had a real dos disk copy utility I'd restore my backup. I used
MaxBlast 3 before but it doesn't seem to see the logical partitions
on the backup drive this time. I may try just restoring the Windows
folder from the backup after renaming the two I have.

The bootlog.txt file doesn't seem to indicate any errors near the
end and terminates ok.

Thanks again for your efforts.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/

"Bill Watt" wrote in message ...
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:39:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
wrote:

Bill, You might want to try copying the vmm32.vxd from the parallel
install over to the original \windows\system folder. VFAT.VXD is inside
the monolithic driver file; vmm32.vxd. Perhaps the file has a small
corruption in it. They should be identical, but I'd rename the old
one just in case.


I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.
They are slightly different. It booted anyway after the error msg.

Hm. That's strange.. it shouldn't report it missing.


The only other error I get is;
Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD (07).
I got this message before but it's an audio file so I uninstalled
WMP or whatever it was. No error for awhile but now it takes turns
with the VFAT error. Both freeze the system. These came up suddenly
and I had not made any changes or installs.

After using reset and Scandisk once or twice Windows loads ok.

If I had a real dos disk copy utility I'd restore my backup. I used
MaxBlast 3 before but it doesn't seem to see the logical partitions
on the backup drive this time.

If the backup is a simple clone you might try bootitNG. Put it on a floppy,
boot, "cancel" the install and you'll be in maintenance mode where you
can delete and copy volumes/partitions.


I may try just restoring the Windows
folder from the backup after renaming the two I have.

The bootlog.txt file doesn't seem to indicate any errors near the
end and terminates ok.

Thanks again for your efforts.

You're welcome, let us know what happens..

Hi Bill Watt, as Bill Blanton said please let us know how you make out. I
know from your previous participation in these groups and from your website
shows that you have the ability and knowledge to get out of this. Is this
one of your customers computers or yours? If it's yours and as the tech
you are don't you have a previous saved log of tracking from whatever
uninstaller tracker that you use so that in situations like this you can
just do a compare and browse its GUI of all the actual windows files &
registry changes that took place, and then easily deduct from that exactly
what happened, and then easily reverse it and/or use your favorite
partition imager to get previous good files from if needed ..or for a
last resort using that partition imager can't you just restore a previous
saved partition image back in place which only takes a few minutes?

For instance one of the best file/registry tracker programs there is (I use
an older version) of Ashampoo, and although they tout it as an uninstaller,
http://www.ashampoo.com/frontend/pro...&idstring=0103
..for me the only functions I use (ignoring it's other fluff) on it is
specifically just the exceptional GUI layout of the monitoring and compare
functions which give you a total and complete full view in a familiar
Windows GUI environment of every mi-nute thing that goes on - and so like
in a situation like you have now you could just do a compare after the
anomaly happened and observe the changes that caused it, and then easily
(and even fun) to deduct the simple resolve and reverse it.

Also for Partition Imagers, I know most of the MVP's here like to use
BootitNG which is fine although admittedly more complicated to learn, and
it's not an all in one program, where in contrast using a program
like TueImage http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing...cts/trueimage/
which is by far the easiest and most comprehensive one I've ever used ..and
I've used them all. My second choice was the older version of DriveImage
before Symantec got a hold of it.. Anyway I'm not affiliated with these
companies I mention in this post but am just talking about what my
experience is with them and use them constantly on a Daily basis.

Rick


Bill Blanton wrote:
"Bill Watt" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:39:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
wrote:

Bill, You might want to try copying the vmm32.vxd from the parallel
install over to the original \windows\system folder. VFAT.VXD is inside
the monolithic driver file; vmm32.vxd. Perhaps the file has a small
corruption in it. They should be identical, but I'd rename the old
one just in case.


I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.
They are slightly different. It booted anyway after the error msg.

Hm. That's strange.. it shouldn't report it missing.


The only other error I get is;
Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD (07).
I got this message before but it's an audio file so I uninstalled
WMP or whatever it was. No error for awhile but now it takes turns
with the VFAT error. Both freeze the system. These came up suddenly
and I had not made any changes or installs.

After using reset and Scandisk once or twice Windows loads ok.

If I had a real dos disk copy utility I'd restore my backup. I used
MaxBlast 3 before but it doesn't seem to see the logical partitions
on the backup drive this time.

If the backup is a simple clone you might try bootitNG. Put it on a
floppy,
boot, "cancel" the install and you'll be in maintenance mode where you
can delete and copy volumes/partitions.


I may try just restoring the Windows
folder from the backup after renaming the two I have.

The bootlog.txt file doesn't seem to indicate any errors near the
end and terminates ok.

Thanks again for your efforts.

You're welcome, let us know what happens..

| However, neither of the threads have any solutions I don't have
| setup already.

In the VFAT thread, the real solution to Danny's problem was to REM the
EMM386 line in Config.sys. You tried that? You never get the error
booting to Safe Mode, when Config.sys doesn't run at all?

| I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
| you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.

That doesn't make sense. Let us see...

C:\dir /a /s C:vmm32.vxd
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
VMM32 VXD 941,094 07-22-99 12:21a VMM32.VXD
1 file(s) 941,094 bytes

C:\dir /a /s C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32
IFSMGR VXD 186,438 09-19-00 12:57p IFSMGR.VXD
IOS VXD 69,570 04-23-99 10:22p IOS.VXD
MRCI2 VXD 53,403 04-23-99 10:22p MRCI2.VXD
QEMMFIX VXD 9,792 04-23-99 10:22p QEMMFIX.VXD


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill Watt" wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:39:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
| wrote:
|
| Bill, You might want to try copying the vmm32.vxd from the parallel
| install over to the original \windows\system folder. VFAT.VXD is
inside
| the monolithic driver file; vmm32.vxd. Perhaps the file has a small
| corruption in it. They should be identical, but I'd rename the old
| one just in case.
|
| This doesn't match your error message, but you might check it out
| for clues.
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=139063
|
| Thanks Bill,
|
| None of the cures in the article apply, I've had Ifshlp Remmed since
| Win95.
|
| I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
| you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.
| They are slightly different. It booted anyway after the error msg.
|
| The only other error I get is;
| Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD (07).
| I got this message before but it's an audio file so I uninstalled
| WMP or whatever it was. No error for awhile but now it takes turns
| with the VFAT error. Both freeze the system. These came up suddenly
| and I had not made any changes or installs.
|
| After using reset and Scandisk once or twice Windows loads ok.
|
| If I had a real dos disk copy utility I'd restore my backup. I used
| MaxBlast 3 before but it doesn't seem to see the logical partitions
| on the backup drive this time. I may try just restoring the Windows
| folder from the backup after renaming the two I have.
|
| The bootlog.txt file doesn't seem to indicate any errors near the
| end and terminates ok.
|
| Thanks again for your efforts.
|
| Regards,
|
| Bill Watt
| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
|

| However, neither of the threads have any solutions I don't have
| setup already.

In the VFAT thread, the real solution to Danny's problem was to REM the
EMM386 line in Config.sys. You tried that or disabled Config.sys
altogether? You never get the error booting to Safe Mode, when
Config.sys doesn't run at all?

| I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
| you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.

That doesn't make sense. Let us see...

C:\dir /a /s C:vmm32.vxd
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
VMM32 VXD 941,094 07-22-99 12:21a VMM32.VXD
1 file(s) 941,094 bytes

C:\dir /ad /s C:\VMM32
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
VMM32 DIR 07-22-99 12:16a VMM32

You may have two VMM32 folders now, one in the new Windows folder. It's
contents will override the VMM32.vxd conglomerate entry, if one is also
in there. Here is what is in mine. (I do not see a VFAT.vxd override.)

C:\dir /a /s C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32
IFSMGR VXD 186,438 09-19-00 12:57p IFSMGR.VXD
IOS VXD 69,570 04-23-99 10:22p IOS.VXD
MRCI2 VXD 53,403 04-23-99 10:22p MRCI2.VXD
QEMMFIX VXD 9,792 04-23-99 10:22p QEMMFIX.VXD


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill Watt" wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:39:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
| wrote:
|
| Bill, You might want to try copying the vmm32.vxd from the parallel
| install over to the original \windows\system folder. VFAT.VXD is
inside
| the monolithic driver file; vmm32.vxd. Perhaps the file has a small
| corruption in it. They should be identical, but I'd rename the old
| one just in case.
|
| This doesn't match your error message, but you might check it out
| for clues.
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=139063
|
| Thanks Bill,
|
| None of the cures in the article apply, I've had Ifshlp Remmed since
| Win95.
|
| I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
| you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.
| They are slightly different. It booted anyway after the error msg.
|
| The only other error I get is;
| Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD (07).
| I got this message before but it's an audio file so I uninstalled
| WMP or whatever it was. No error for awhile but now it takes turns
| with the VFAT error. Both freeze the system. These came up suddenly
| and I had not made any changes or installs.
|
| After using reset and Scandisk once or twice Windows loads ok.
|
| If I had a real dos disk copy utility I'd restore my backup. I used
| MaxBlast 3 before but it doesn't seem to see the logical partitions
| on the backup drive this time. I may try just restoring the Windows
| folder from the backup after renaming the two I have.
|
| The bootlog.txt file doesn't seem to indicate any errors near the
| end and terminates ok.
|
| Thanks again for your efforts.
|
| Regards,
|
| Bill Watt
| Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/
|

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:38:56 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
wrote:

"Bill Watt" wrote in message ...
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:39:40 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
wrote:

Bill, You might want to try copying the vmm32.vxd from the parallel
install over to the original \windows\system folder. VFAT.VXD is inside
the monolithic driver file; vmm32.vxd. Perhaps the file has a small
corruption in it. They should be identical, but I'd rename the old
one just in case.


I tried replacing vmm32.vxd with the one in the new installation as
you suggested but it came up with a missing vmm32.vxd file at boot.
They are slightly different. It booted anyway after the error msg.

Hm. That's strange.. it shouldn't report it missing.


The only other error I get is;
Fatal Exception OE at (address) in VXD WDMAUD (07).
I got this message before but it's an audio file so I uninstalled
WMP or whatever it was. No error for awhile but now it takes turns
with the VFAT error. Both freeze the system. These came up suddenly
and I had not made any changes or installs.

After using reset and Scandisk once or twice Windows loads ok.

If I had a real dos disk copy utility I'd restore my backup. I used
MaxBlast 3 before but it doesn't seem to see the logical partitions
on the backup drive this time.

If the backup is a simple clone you might try bootitNG. Put it on a floppy,
boot, "cancel" the install and you'll be in maintenance mode where you
can delete and copy volumes/partitions.


I may try just restoring the Windows
folder from the backup after renaming the two I have.

The bootlog.txt file doesn't seem to indicate any errors near the
end and terminates ok.

Thanks again for your efforts.

You're welcome, let us know what happens..

Bill,

Copied the vmm386 file over and it made no difference.
Tried copying the backed up windows folder over and things were a
little different but no better.

Disabled config.sys and autoexec.bat and no change. I suspected Zone
Alarm so I uninstalled it and installed the latest version with no
help.

Ran scandisk from Windows and a surface scan of the entire drive.
The windows scan only found several Netscape folders too long to
open in Dos. They were in the Application Data folders. I did not
fix them.

Tried disabling all startup programs in Msconfig and no help.

With all this I don't get the two errors anymore, instead it reboots
right after it loads after scandisk or at the windows blue screen.
Occasionally I get into Windows and it works perfectly until I
restart or shutdown.

I downloaded BootitNg as I may restore my 8 day old backup. I may
reverse the drives and boot from the backup drive. It boots.
Bootitng is different, I'm studying it.

Anyway it's a mess. I'll try some of the Startup and Shutdown links
I have on my site. :-)

I'm using the clean install folder right now and of course the only
programs that work are the ones that don't use the Registry.

PCR I tried what you suggested to no avail, thanks.
Rick, I do use an un-installer but I had not installed anything
recently, the problem just suddenly appeared. I am uninstalling
programs I seldom use however.

Thanks to all for your interest.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/