Trouble with defraging

It seems that my defrager is looping...to some extent, and the process
is taking avery, very long time.
Everything is going fine and the the info bar at the bottom says "Drives
contents changed, restarting." Then it reads "Reading Drive
information." Gets to about 10% of reading the info and then it reads
"Defragmenting file system." Defragmenting gets to a point (up to 76%
last time), and then starts the process again (drives contents...). It
will keep bouncing back and forth from these notices, slowly creeping a
little bit closer to completion. I defragment about once a month and
these events seem new to me...expecially the slowness of the defraging.
My hard drive is less than 1/2 full. I run my virus and spyware checks
before defragging and nothing was found. Any idea what's happening.
Thanks,
Adam

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Adam -

When doing Scandisk or Defrag (amongst other things, such as
troubleshooting) you'd be best to perform a clean boot process which will
eliminate anything writing to the Disk, and thereby eliminating the "drive
contents have changed, restarting..." error message.

See he

"Drive's Contents Have Changed: Restarting..." Message When You Use the Disk
Defragmenter Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;186978

List of Articles About the Disk Defragmenter Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263

Err Msg: ScanDisk Has Restarted 10 Times Because Windows...
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;222469

List of Articles About the ScanDisk Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q287914

Two other very useful "tools":

How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];192926

Lastly, this very comprehensive article authored by Gary S. Terhune, titled
"Clean boot - What it is, and why you need it". You'd be amazed at the
wealth of knowledge contained in this, and how it can be something one might
use for all of the instances described.
http://snipurl.com/7gx9
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"Adam" wrote in message
...
It seems that my defrager is looping...to some extent, and the process
is taking avery, very long time.
Everything is going fine and the the info bar at the bottom says "Drives
contents changed, restarting." Then it reads "Reading Drive
information." Gets to about 10% of reading the info and then it reads
"Defragmenting file system." Defragmenting gets to a point (up to 76%
last time), and then starts the process again (drives contents...). It
will keep bouncing back and forth from these notices, slowly creeping a
little bit closer to completion. I defragment about once a month and
these events seem new to me...expecially the slowness of the defraging.
My hard drive is less than 1/2 full. I run my virus and spyware checks
before defragging and nothing was found. Any idea what's happening.
Thanks,
Adam

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LuckyStrike wrote:

Adam -

When doing Scandisk or Defrag (amongst other things, such as
troubleshooting) you'd be best to perform a clean boot process which will
eliminate anything writing to the Disk, and thereby eliminating the "drive
contents have changed, restarting..." error message.

See he

"Drive's Contents Have Changed: Restarting..." Message When You Use the Disk
Defragmenter Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;186978

List of Articles About the Disk Defragmenter Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263

Err Msg: ScanDisk Has Restarted 10 Times Because Windows...
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;222469

List of Articles About the ScanDisk Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q287914

Two other very useful "tools":

How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];192926

Lastly, this very comprehensive article authored by Gary S. Terhune, titled
"Clean boot - What it is, and why you need it". You'd be amazed at the
wealth of knowledge contained in this, and how it can be something one might
use for all of the instances described.
http://snipurl.com/7gx9



Hi Lucky. Thanks for the help. You were right on: Rebooted in safe
mode, scanned disk (btw, scan disk was also acting strangly before the
fix), defragmented, and now all is well.
Adam

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You are most welcome Adam. s
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"Adam" wrote in message
...
LuckyStrike wrote:

Adam -

When doing Scandisk or Defrag (amongst other things, such as
troubleshooting) you'd be best to perform a clean boot process which will
eliminate anything writing to the Disk, and thereby eliminating the
"drive
contents have changed, restarting..." error message.

See he

"Drive's Contents Have Changed: Restarting..." Message When You Use the
Disk
Defragmenter Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;186978

List of Articles About the Disk Defragmenter Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263

Err Msg: ScanDisk Has Restarted 10 Times Because Windows...
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;222469

List of Articles About the ScanDisk Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q287914

Two other very useful "tools":

How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];192926

Lastly, this very comprehensive article authored by Gary S. Terhune,
titled
"Clean boot - What it is, and why you need it". You'd be amazed at the
wealth of knowledge contained in this, and how it can be something one
might
use for all of the instances described.
http://snipurl.com/7gx9



Hi Lucky. Thanks for the help. You were right on: Rebooted in safe
mode, scanned disk (btw, scan disk was also acting strangly before the
fix), defragmented, and now all is well.
Adam

--
To email, erase "forgetit"

"LuckyStrike" om wrote
in message ...
| Adam -
|
| When doing Scandisk or Defrag (amongst other things, such as
| troubleshooting) you'd be best to perform a clean boot process which will
| eliminate anything writing to the Disk, and thereby eliminating the
"drive
| contents have changed, restarting..." error message.
|
| See he
|
| "Drive's Contents Have Changed: Restarting..." Message When You Use the
Disk
| Defragmenter Tool
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;186978
|
| List of Articles About the Disk Defragmenter Tool
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263
|
| Err Msg: ScanDisk Has Restarted 10 Times Because Windows...
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;222469
|
| List of Articles About the ScanDisk Tool
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q287914
|
| Two other very useful "tools":
|
| How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98
| http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];192926
|
| Lastly, this very comprehensive article authored by Gary S. Terhune,
titled
| "Clean boot - What it is, and why you need it". You'd be amazed at the
| wealth of knowledge contained in this, and how it can be something one
might
| use for all of the instances described.
| http://snipurl.com/7gx9


In Gary's article (Step 1), he specifies "uncheck all *except* WIN.INI and
SYSTEM.INI. Is this not contrary to the procedure specified in 222469
above?

Johnny_B



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| "Adam" wrote in message
| ...
| It seems that my defrager is looping...to some extent, and the process
| is taking avery, very long time.
| Everything is going fine and the the info bar at the bottom says
"Drives
| contents changed, restarting." Then it reads "Reading Drive
| information." Gets to about 10% of reading the info and then it reads
| "Defragmenting file system." Defragmenting gets to a point (up to 76%
| last time), and then starts the process again (drives contents...). It
| will keep bouncing back and forth from these notices, slowly creeping a
| little bit closer to completion. I defragment about once a month and
| these events seem new to me...expecially the slowness of the defraging.
| My hard drive is less than 1/2 full. I run my virus and spyware checks
| before defragging and nothing was found. Any idea what's happening.
| Thanks,
| Adam
|
| --
| To email, erase "forgetit"
|
|

Sorry, I meant contrary to Q186978, NOT 222469.

Johnny_B

"Johnny_B" wrote in message
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|
| "LuckyStrike" om wrote
| in message ...
| | Adam -
| |
| | When doing Scandisk or Defrag (amongst other things, such as
| | troubleshooting) you'd be best to perform a clean boot process which
will
| | eliminate anything writing to the Disk, and thereby eliminating the
| "drive
| | contents have changed, restarting..." error message.
| |
| | See he
| |
| | "Drive's Contents Have Changed: Restarting..." Message When You Use the
| Disk
| | Defragmenter Tool
| | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;186978
| |
| | List of Articles About the Disk Defragmenter Tool
| | http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263
| |
| | Err Msg: ScanDisk Has Restarted 10 Times Because Windows...
| | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;222469
| |
| | List of Articles About the ScanDisk Tool
| | http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q287914
| |
| | Two other very useful "tools":
| |
| | How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98
| | http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];192926
| |
| | Lastly, this very comprehensive article authored by Gary S. Terhune,
| titled
| | "Clean boot - What it is, and why you need it". You'd be amazed at the
| | wealth of knowledge contained in this, and how it can be something one
| might
| | use for all of the instances described.
| | http://snipurl.com/7gx9
|
|
| In Gary's article (Step 1), he specifies "uncheck all *except* WIN.INI
and
| SYSTEM.INI. Is this not contrary to the procedure specified in 222469
| above?
|
| Johnny_B
|
|
|
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| | LuckyStrike
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| |
| | "Adam" wrote in message
| | ...
| | It seems that my defrager is looping...to some extent, and the
process
| | is taking avery, very long time.
| | Everything is going fine and the the info bar at the bottom says
| "Drives
| | contents changed, restarting." Then it reads "Reading Drive
| | information." Gets to about 10% of reading the info and then it
reads
| | "Defragmenting file system." Defragmenting gets to a point (up to
76%
| | last time), and then starts the process again (drives contents...).
It
| | will keep bouncing back and forth from these notices, slowly creeping
a
| | little bit closer to completion. I defragment about once a month and
| | these events seem new to me...expecially the slowness of the
defraging.
| | My hard drive is less than 1/2 full. I run my virus and spyware
checks
| | before defragging and nothing was found. Any idea what's happening.
| | Thanks,
| | Adam
| |
| | --
| | To email, erase "forgetit"
| |
| |
|

Yes that is so, but he also states the following in his article:

** asterisks are inserted by me, to highlight what I *think* the differences
may be about.

paste
"...In depth trouble-shooting, for
instance, **goes several steps deeper in disabling things, steps which are
not
required, or even necessarily desirable, for the purposes I have in mind
when
posting this**. The whole idea, here, is to get background applications out
of the
picture, clean up temporary and other garbage files, and otherwise create an
environment conducive to successful installation or uninstallation of
applications, and/ or the successful running of utilities that don't like
having
other processes running at the same time.

I'm quite certain that I have forgotten one or two things, and just as
certain
that others will have some input, questions, comments, or debate. I welcome
them
all.
paste/

Perhaps if Gary sees this, he may care to elucidate the distinction you've
noted. But then again, he may not as I have a feeling I may be on his
blocked list. Unfortunate, but that may be the case as it stands.
Nevertheless, whatever differences may exist between Gary and myself, there
still is no denying he knows *much* about Computers..., although I will dare
say, very little about me.

I hope this may be of some help to you.
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"Johnny_B" wrote in message
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"LuckyStrike" om wrote
in message ...
snipped |
| "Drive's Contents Have Changed: Restarting..." Message When You Use the
Disk
| Defragmenter Tool
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;186978
|
snipped |
| How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98
| http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];192926
|
| Lastly, this very comprehensive article authored by Gary S. Terhune,
titled
| "Clean boot - What it is, and why you need it". You'd be amazed at the
| wealth of knowledge contained in this, and how it can be something one
might
| use for all of the instances described.
| http://snipurl.com/7gx9
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In Gary's article (Step 1), he specifies "uncheck all *except* WIN.INI and
SYSTEM.INI. Is this not contrary to the procedure specified in 222469
above?

Johnny_B

snipped

You might try closing all programs except
systray (using ctrl/alt/delete) then turn off your modem as well.
This stops the "restart" and speeds up the defrag considerably.

Marcus


"Adam" wrote in message
...
It seems that my defrager is looping...to some extent, and the process
is taking avery, very long time.
Everything is going fine and the the info bar at the bottom says "Drives
contents changed, restarting." Then it reads "Reading Drive
information." Gets to about 10% of reading the info and then it reads
"Defragmenting file system." Defragmenting gets to a point (up to 76%
last time), and then starts the process again (drives contents...). It
will keep bouncing back and forth from these notices, slowly creeping a
little bit closer to completion. I defragment about once a month and
these events seem new to me...expecially the slowness of the defraging.
My hard drive is less than 1/2 full. I run my virus and spyware checks
before defragging and nothing was found. Any idea what's happening.
Thanks,
Adam

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To email, erase "forgetit"

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q287914
Articles about Scandisk
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263
Articles about Defrag

I must warn that Scandisk may not do a great job when there is a
great one to do...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/scandisk.htm
Therefore, perhaps UNcheck "Automatically fix errors" on it's front
screen. It will then ask whether you want each error fixed. If it sounds
truly horrible, say "No!", and post the log. The log will be
"C:\Scandisk.log". Do not let it constantly restart, either.

1. Turn off screen saver (R-Clk Desktop, Properties, Screen Saver--
None)
2. Turn off power management (Control Panel, Power Management-- Always
On,Never,Never,Never)
3. Disable any permanent internet cable connection, perhaps.
4. Suspend Task Scheduler
5. Turn off interfering programs. Use "StartupCop" or "EndItAll2" from
PCMag (below). Or "START, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab". Note what is
unchecked. Then, go to the General tab & disable the entire Startup
Group, by clicking "Selective.." & unchecking "Load Startup...". Reboot.
Don't forget to re-enable before the next boot.
6. Use "HDValet" from PCMag, or
(a) "Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button, bolt Delete
all offline content, OK, OK"
(b) "START, Run, %TEMP%", & delete all files that will let you. This
will likely be "C:\Windows\Temp". This is best done after a fresh boot,
unless you have not seen the message "Reboot to complete this install".
7. Run Scandisk (Thorough, usually w/o write testing. Check all three
items under "Scandisk, Advanced button, 'Check files for' box". If you
want to be informed as it does a fix, UNcheck "Automatically fix errors"
on the front screen, or look inside "C:\Scandisk.log" afterwards.)
8. "START, Run, Defrag /p /details". Apparently, "/p" Defrags the
unmovables.

The purpose of steps 1-5 is only to prevent constant restarts of
Scandisk & Defrag, if you get them; but DEFINITELY turn off the Virus
Scanner. Scandisk should be done perhaps once a month, and certainly
after every serious crash. Do a Defrag after a sluggish boot or when
this says so:
http://www.pcmag.com/ 's CrackUp, by Gregory A. Wolking & Bob Flanders.
Also, take DiskAction, to determine what is constantly writing to the
HDD, which causes the restarts. Take BHOCop & StartupCop too.

"DiskAction" reports the last 12 processes that access any partition. It
discovered the MS Critical Update Notification Tool was accessing my
HDD every five minutes. It can be uninstalled in "Control Panel,
Add/Remove Programs". Then, occasionally, "START, Windows Update" on
your own.

"BHOCop" found a Browser Helper Object called Wavehelper Class, created
by "Wavetop", that was building a monstrosity of an error log called
"Logit.txt" in here. "START, Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

Now, my hard drive is quieter than my mouse. (Of course, I now also have
384 MB RAM, up from an initial 64, eliminating Swap File activity.)


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"Adam" wrote in message
...
| It seems that my defrager is looping...to some extent, and the process
| is taking avery, very long time.
| Everything is going fine and the the info bar at the bottom says
"Drives
| contents changed, restarting." Then it reads "Reading Drive
| information." Gets to about 10% of reading the info and then it reads
| "Defragmenting file system." Defragmenting gets to a point (up to 76%
| last time), and then starts the process again (drives contents...).
It
| will keep bouncing back and forth from these notices, slowly creeping
a
| little bit closer to completion. I defragment about once a month and
| these events seem new to me...expecially the slowness of the
defraging.
| My hard drive is less than 1/2 full. I run my virus and spyware
checks
| before defragging and nothing was found. Any idea what's happening.
| Thanks,
| Adam
|
| --
| To email, erase "forgetit"

Also you might like to upgrade to the WindowsME Defrager which is a lot
faster and more efficient.To install it goto theWindows root directory and
rename defrag.exe to defrag.old then copy the new defrag.exe to the windows
Dir then run defrag as normal. If it don`t work delete defrag.exe and rename
the defrag.old back to defrag.exe. It works on my 98se machine so it should
work on 98.
You can get it here free
http://potentproducts.com/download/ms/windowsme.html

Kim

"Adam" wrote in message
...
LuckyStrike wrote:

Adam -

When doing Scandisk or Defrag (amongst other things, such as
troubleshooting) you'd be best to perform a clean boot process which will
eliminate anything writing to the Disk, and thereby eliminating the
"drive
contents have changed, restarting..." error message.

See he

"Drive's Contents Have Changed: Restarting..." Message When You Use the
Disk
Defragmenter Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;186978

List of Articles About the Disk Defragmenter Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263

Err Msg: ScanDisk Has Restarted 10 Times Because Windows...
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;222469

List of Articles About the ScanDisk Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q287914

Two other very useful "tools":

How to Perform Clean-Boot Troubleshooting for Windows 98
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];192926

Lastly, this very comprehensive article authored by Gary S. Terhune,
titled
"Clean boot - What it is, and why you need it". You'd be amazed at the
wealth of knowledge contained in this, and how it can be something one
might
use for all of the instances described.
http://snipurl.com/7gx9



Hi Lucky. Thanks for the help. You were right on: Rebooted in safe
mode, scanned disk (btw, scan disk was also acting strangly before the
fix), defragmented, and now all is well.
Adam

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