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W98 networki enigma
Win98 can't access the internet, neighborhood OK.
I have some kind of network problem which I don't understand The physical topography of the network is that the computer in question is ethernet wired to a simple hub which is ethernet wired to an Airlink router which is uplinked to a cable modem. There are no other computers currently connected to the hub^1 and there are 2 other computers currently ethernet wired to the router. Presently there are no wireless connxns to the router, but recently a guest was connecting wirelessly to the router just fine. The wired computer in question, call it #3, can boot Win 98, Ub 7.04, or Linspire 5. Both Linux distros on the same box can connect just fine. The problem I'm focusing on here is the Win98 install partition's problem, which W98 can see the local network and which can see the router's config page and which can ping the cable modem's IP, but which cannot see the modem's config page by IP address and cannot access anything beyond the local network shares and the router's configuration page. The reason for mentioning the linux distro connectivity is to assert that it isn't a simple hardware connectivity problem with the machine or its integrated network lan function or the hub or the ethernet cable to the router or the router's firmware. So the linux partition successes is to address some kind of physical hardware connectivity problems. I have performed the Win nic/ mobo-lan/ driver install about 8 different ways and times without much problem. I've installed from the mobo mfr's disk, both by install .exe and with the driver files letting Win find them. I've configured for Win system to do with or without IRQ steering. Any time there have been any alerts seen in the system information they have been remedied. Currently I can see the network neighborhood over tcp/ip without using netbeui. I can send other winboxes in the network a winpopup message. I can modify the router's configuration with #3. I cannot see the modem's configuration page by IP address, or anything else beyond the router. That's when computer #3 is in Win98 mode. When it is in Ubuntu or Linspire, it can access the internet without problems. ^1 the hub is in there because later there will be two computers at the same station at the end of an ethernet cable. The hub presence isn't causing any trouble for the Ub/Lin OSes, it isn't logical that it would be a factor for the Win partition. -- Mike Easter |
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W98 networki enigma
"Mike Easter" wrote in message ... Win98 can't access the internet, neighborhood OK. I have some kind of network problem which I don't understand The physical topography of the network is that the computer in question is ethernet wired to a simple hub which is ethernet wired to an Airlink router which is uplinked to a cable modem. There are no other computers currently connected to the hub^1 and there are 2 other computers currently ethernet wired to the router. Presently there are no wireless connxns to the router, but recently a guest was connecting wirelessly to the router just fine. The wired computer in question, call it #3, can boot Win 98, Ub 7.04, or Linspire 5. Both Linux distros on the same box can connect just fine. The problem I'm focusing on here is the Win98 install partition's problem, which W98 can see the local network and which can see the router's config page and which can ping the cable modem's IP, but which cannot see the modem's config page by IP address and cannot access anything beyond the local network shares and the router's configuration page. Ping 127.0.0.1 If it fails it may be a TCP/IP stack problem. Ping each computer from the other using the UNC: =ping ^ computername If it fails either way there's an IP or Name resolution problem. The reason for mentioning the linux distro connectivity is to assert that it isn't a simple hardware connectivity problem with the machine or its integrated network lan function or the hub or the ethernet cable to the router or the router's firmware. So the linux partition successes is to address some kind of physical hardware connectivity problems. Firewall permission? Same workgroup, IP range and subnet? Static or Dynamic IP? I have performed the Win nic/ mobo-lan/ driver install about 8 different ways and times without much problem. I've installed from the mobo mfr's disk, both by install .exe and with the driver files letting Win find them. I've configured for Win system to do with or without IRQ steering. Any time there have been any alerts seen in the system information they have been remedied. Currently I can see the network neighborhood over tcp/ip without using netbeui. I can send other winboxes in the network a winpopup message. I can modify the router's configuration with #3. I cannot see the modem's configuration page by IP address, or anything else beyond the router. That's when computer #3 is in Win98 mode. When it is in Ubuntu or Linspire, it can access the internet without problems. ^1 the hub is in there because later there will be two computers at the same station at the end of an ethernet cable. The hub presence isn't causing any trouble for the Ub/Lin OSes, it isn't logical that it would be a factor for the Win partition. Personally I'd dump the hub and use a switch to avoid collisions. http://www.windowsnetworking.com/art...indows_9598ME/ http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...hoot_index.htm -- Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 |
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W98 networki enigma
"Mike Easter" wrote in message ... Win98 can't access the internet, neighborhood OK. I have some kind of network problem which I don't understand The physical topography of the network is that the computer in question is ethernet wired to a simple hub which is ethernet wired to an Airlink router which is uplinked to a cable modem. There are no other computers currently connected to the hub^1 and there are 2 other computers currently ethernet wired to the router. Presently there are no wireless connxns to the router, but recently a guest was connecting wirelessly to the router just fine. The wired computer in question, call it #3, can boot Win 98, Ub 7.04, or Linspire 5. Both Linux distros on the same box can connect just fine. The problem I'm focusing on here is the Win98 install partition's problem, which W98 can see the local network and which can see the router's config page and which can ping the cable modem's IP, but which cannot see the modem's config page by IP address and cannot access anything beyond the local network shares and the router's configuration page. Ping 127.0.0.1 If it fails it may be a TCP/IP stack problem. Ping each computer from the other using the UNC: =ping ^ computername If it fails either way there's an IP or Name resolution problem. The reason for mentioning the linux distro connectivity is to assert that it isn't a simple hardware connectivity problem with the machine or its integrated network lan function or the hub or the ethernet cable to the router or the router's firmware. So the linux partition successes is to address some kind of physical hardware connectivity problems. Firewall permission? Same workgroup, IP range and subnet? Static or Dynamic IP? I have performed the Win nic/ mobo-lan/ driver install about 8 different ways and times without much problem. I've installed from the mobo mfr's disk, both by install .exe and with the driver files letting Win find them. I've configured for Win system to do with or without IRQ steering. Any time there have been any alerts seen in the system information they have been remedied. Currently I can see the network neighborhood over tcp/ip without using netbeui. I can send other winboxes in the network a winpopup message. I can modify the router's configuration with #3. I cannot see the modem's configuration page by IP address, or anything else beyond the router. That's when computer #3 is in Win98 mode. When it is in Ubuntu or Linspire, it can access the internet without problems. ^1 the hub is in there because later there will be two computers at the same station at the end of an ethernet cable. The hub presence isn't causing any trouble for the Ub/Lin OSes, it isn't logical that it would be a factor for the Win partition. Personally I'd dump the hub and use a switch to avoid collisions. http://www.windowsnetworking.com/art...indows_9598ME/ http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...hoot_index.htm -- Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 |
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:16:08 -0700, Mike Easter wrote: The physical topography of the network is that the computer in question is ethernet wired to a simple hub which is ethernet wired to an Airlink router which is uplinked to a cable modem. There are no other computers currently connected to the hub^1 and there are 2 other computers currently ethernet wired to the router. Presently there are no wireless connxns to the router, but recently a guest was connecting wirelessly to the router just fine. Please post a routing table plus details of ip addressing and dhcp (if used) route print temp.txt to get the routing table Jim. |
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:16:08 -0700, Mike Easter wrote: The physical topography of the network is that the computer in question is ethernet wired to a simple hub which is ethernet wired to an Airlink router which is uplinked to a cable modem. There are no other computers currently connected to the hub^1 and there are 2 other computers currently ethernet wired to the router. Presently there are no wireless connxns to the router, but recently a guest was connecting wirelessly to the router just fine. Please post a routing table plus details of ip addressing and dhcp (if used) route print temp.txt to get the routing table Jim. |
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Brian A. wrote:
"Mike Easter" Win98 can't access the internet, neighborhood OK. Thanks for your replies. Ping 127.0.0.1 If it fails it may be a TCP/IP stack problem. Succeeds. Ping each computer from the other using the UNC: =ping ^ computername If it fails either way there's an IP or Name resolution problem. This is a complicated answer. Briefly I can't ping #3 from #2 but I can ping #2 from #3 by name. The business of what #2 thinks is #3 name and what #3 thinks is #2 name confuses me. As a rule, I give a computer a simple name, not a domainname, but sometimes an old domain name gets attached to a computer's name by mechanisms not understood by me. I can ping either one from the other by its NAT assigned IP address. The router is configured to get a DNS from DHCP and also to use opendns nameservice. This airlink router gives me less flexibility about that than my previous Linksys did. Firewall permission? There is no software firewall on either W98. Same workgroup, IP range and subnet? Yes. Static or Dynamic IP? The router is configured to get its IP dynamically from the cable modem. Each Win is configured to get its IP dynamically, which it gets from the router. The router is not configured to have a domainname, but if I ping a computer simplename, dos pings the simple+domainname - which domainname must have been derived from some mail identity some years ago. Personally I'd dump the hub and use a switch to avoid collisions. I took the hub out for testbed purposes to save us all confusion. http://www.windowsnetworking.com/art...indows_9598ME/ http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...hoot_index.htm I've been to practically networked before; I'll take a look at both of those. Thanks. -- Mike Easter |
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Brian A. wrote:
"Mike Easter" Win98 can't access the internet, neighborhood OK. Thanks for your replies. Ping 127.0.0.1 If it fails it may be a TCP/IP stack problem. Succeeds. Ping each computer from the other using the UNC: =ping ^ computername If it fails either way there's an IP or Name resolution problem. This is a complicated answer. Briefly I can't ping #3 from #2 but I can ping #2 from #3 by name. The business of what #2 thinks is #3 name and what #3 thinks is #2 name confuses me. As a rule, I give a computer a simple name, not a domainname, but sometimes an old domain name gets attached to a computer's name by mechanisms not understood by me. I can ping either one from the other by its NAT assigned IP address. The router is configured to get a DNS from DHCP and also to use opendns nameservice. This airlink router gives me less flexibility about that than my previous Linksys did. Firewall permission? There is no software firewall on either W98. Same workgroup, IP range and subnet? Yes. Static or Dynamic IP? The router is configured to get its IP dynamically from the cable modem. Each Win is configured to get its IP dynamically, which it gets from the router. The router is not configured to have a domainname, but if I ping a computer simplename, dos pings the simple+domainname - which domainname must have been derived from some mail identity some years ago. Personally I'd dump the hub and use a switch to avoid collisions. I took the hub out for testbed purposes to save us all confusion. http://www.windowsnetworking.com/art...indows_9598ME/ http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...hoot_index.htm I've been to practically networked before; I'll take a look at both of those. Thanks. -- Mike Easter |
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James Egan wrote:
Mike Easter The physical topography of the network Updates and revisions: Test configuration has been simplified to two computer network, both ethernet wired to router, no hub, router to cable modem, both computers running Win98se - computer temporary names #1 & #3, #3 is the problem computer. #3 hardware = Mobo SiS 741 w/ integrated LAN, audio, graphics - the mobo cd disk tools recognizes the LAN as a SiS 900. Win doesn't like to install the drivers for the hardware with the Win hardware recognition wizard pointed at the .inf & .sys files on the mobo mfr's CD, Error installing driver, windows was unable to install the SiS 900 Fast Ethernet Adpater device, unknown device, windows encountered an error while trying to install a driver for this device, error code 1F6. -- but the install tools on the mobo CD accomplish the driver installation. When win wants to 're-recognize' the alleged PCI card hardware, I cancel that operation because the sytem shows that the network card is installed with no trouble marks, as well as the other integrated functions. Please post a routing table plus details of ip addressing and dhcp (if used) route print temp.txt to get the routing table The route print for # 1 [network & internet satisfactory] is: Active Routes: Network Address Netmask Gateway Address Interface Metric 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.145 1 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.145 192.168.1.145 1 192.168.1.145 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 192.168.1.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.145 192.168.1.145 1 224.0.0.0 224.0.0.0 192.168.1.145 192.168.1.145 1 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.145 0.0.0.0 1 The route print for # 3 [no internet] is: Active Routes: Network Address Netmask Gateway Address Interface Metric 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.175 1 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.175 192.168.1.175 1 192.168.1.175 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 192.168.1.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.175 192.168.1.175 1 224.0.0.0 224.0.0.0 192.168.1.175 192.168.1.175 1 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.175 192.168.1.175 1 -- Mike Easter |
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James Egan wrote:
Mike Easter The physical topography of the network Updates and revisions: Test configuration has been simplified to two computer network, both ethernet wired to router, no hub, router to cable modem, both computers running Win98se - computer temporary names #1 & #3, #3 is the problem computer. #3 hardware = Mobo SiS 741 w/ integrated LAN, audio, graphics - the mobo cd disk tools recognizes the LAN as a SiS 900. Win doesn't like to install the drivers for the hardware with the Win hardware recognition wizard pointed at the .inf & .sys files on the mobo mfr's CD, Error installing driver, windows was unable to install the SiS 900 Fast Ethernet Adpater device, unknown device, windows encountered an error while trying to install a driver for this device, error code 1F6. -- but the install tools on the mobo CD accomplish the driver installation. When win wants to 're-recognize' the alleged PCI card hardware, I cancel that operation because the sytem shows that the network card is installed with no trouble marks, as well as the other integrated functions. Please post a routing table plus details of ip addressing and dhcp (if used) route print temp.txt to get the routing table The route print for # 1 [network & internet satisfactory] is: Active Routes: Network Address Netmask Gateway Address Interface Metric 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.145 1 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.145 192.168.1.145 1 192.168.1.145 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 192.168.1.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.145 192.168.1.145 1 224.0.0.0 224.0.0.0 192.168.1.145 192.168.1.145 1 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.145 0.0.0.0 1 The route print for # 3 [no internet] is: Active Routes: Network Address Netmask Gateway Address Interface Metric 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.175 1 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.175 192.168.1.175 1 192.168.1.175 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 192.168.1.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.175 192.168.1.175 1 224.0.0.0 224.0.0.0 192.168.1.175 192.168.1.175 1 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.175 192.168.1.175 1 -- Mike Easter |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:03:38 -0700, "Mike Easter" wrote: The route print for # 3 [no internet] is: It all looks to be in order and there is no apparent reason why it isn't working. I can't suggest anything apart from maybe try it with a static ip address, enable dns in the tcp/ip properties and enter your isp's nameserver addresses in those settings. Jim. |
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