Windows 98 network not working

I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband
connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet,
but they can't see each other.

They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can ping
the network address of the other machine on both.

On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire
network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2
and share the resources.

On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even itself.

I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see
they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working

Any suggestions?

"Fatso" wrote:

I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband
connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet,
but they can't see each other.

They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can ping
the network address of the other machine on both.

On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire
network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2
and share the resources.

On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even itself.

I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see
they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working

Any suggestions?

As a followup, if I unplug one from the swtich then each machine sees the
entire network and itself, once i replug into the network after a bit machine
2 is unable to browse the network,

Any suggestions as to what the conflict might be?

"Fatso" wrote:

I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband
connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet,
but they can't see each other.

They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can ping
the network address of the other machine on both.

On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire
network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2
and share the resources.

On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even itself.

I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see
they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working

Any suggestions?

As a followup, if I unplug one from the swtich then each machine sees the
entire network and itself, once i replug into the network after a bit machine
2 is unable to browse the network,

Any suggestions as to what the conflict might be?

If they're connected to a switch and not a router, they're almost surely
getting different network addresses from your ISP - and are 100% exposed to
the Internet for any passing hacker or cracker to get into. Put a router
with a firewall between your broadband Internet connection and the two
computers.

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"Fatso" wrote in message
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I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband
connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet,
but they can't see each other.

They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can
ping
the network address of the other machine on both.

On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire
network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2
and share the resources.

On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even
itself.

I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see
they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working

Any suggestions?

If they're connected to a switch and not a router, they're almost surely
getting different network addresses from your ISP - and are 100% exposed to
the Internet for any passing hacker or cracker to get into. Put a router
with a firewall between your broadband Internet connection and the two
computers.

--
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* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
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"Fatso" wrote in message
...
I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband
connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet,
but they can't see each other.

They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can
ping
the network address of the other machine on both.

On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire
network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2
and share the resources.

On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even
itself.

I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see
they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working

Any suggestions?

Sorry, they are connected together via a switch, the modem/router is also
connected through the swtich, so it would be the same network address to the
ISP.

The security isn't ideal with the NAT and I'll review that soon, but my main
concern at present is trying to get the 2 machines seeing each other

"Richard G. Harper" wrote:

If they're connected to a switch and not a router, they're almost surely
getting different network addresses from your ISP - and are 100% exposed to
the Internet for any passing hacker or cracker to get into. Put a router
with a firewall between your broadband Internet connection and the two
computers.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
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* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
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"Fatso" wrote in message
...
I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband
connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet,
but they can't see each other.

They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can
ping
the network address of the other machine on both.

On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire
network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2
and share the resources.

On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even
itself.

I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see
they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working

Any suggestions?

Sorry, they are connected together via a switch, the modem/router is also
connected through the swtich, so it would be the same network address to the
ISP.

The security isn't ideal with the NAT and I'll review that soon, but my main
concern at present is trying to get the 2 machines seeing each other

"Richard G. Harper" wrote:

If they're connected to a switch and not a router, they're almost surely
getting different network addresses from your ISP - and are 100% exposed to
the Internet for any passing hacker or cracker to get into. Put a router
with a firewall between your broadband Internet connection and the two
computers.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Fatso" wrote in message
...
I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband
connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet,
but they can't see each other.

They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can
ping
the network address of the other machine on both.

On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire
network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2
and share the resources.

On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even
itself.

I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see
they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working

Any suggestions?

I think you are incorrect - if you check the IP addresses on the two
computers I'll bet they're in completely different address ranges. A switch
does not do NAT, so each PC is being assigned an IP address by your ISP.

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* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
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"Fatso" wrote in message
...
Sorry, they are connected together via a switch, the modem/router is also
connected through the swtich, so it would be the same network address to
the
ISP.

The security isn't ideal with the NAT and I'll review that soon, but my
main
concern at present is trying to get the 2 machines seeing each other

"Richard G. Harper" wrote:

If they're connected to a switch and not a router, they're almost surely
getting different network addresses from your ISP - and are 100% exposed
to
the Internet for any passing hacker or cracker to get into. Put a router
with a firewall between your broadband Internet connection and the two
computers.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Fatso" wrote in message
...
I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a
broadband
connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the
internet,
but they can't see each other.

They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can
ping
the network address of the other machine on both.

On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire
network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see
machine 2
and share the resources.

On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even
itself.

I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can
see
they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working

Any suggestions?

I think you are incorrect - if you check the IP addresses on the two
computers I'll bet they're in completely different address ranges. A switch
does not do NAT, so each PC is being assigned an IP address by your ISP.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Fatso" wrote in message
...
Sorry, they are connected together via a switch, the modem/router is also
connected through the swtich, so it would be the same network address to
the
ISP.

The security isn't ideal with the NAT and I'll review that soon, but my
main
concern at present is trying to get the 2 machines seeing each other

"Richard G. Harper" wrote:

If they're connected to a switch and not a router, they're almost surely
getting different network addresses from your ISP - and are 100% exposed
to
the Internet for any passing hacker or cracker to get into. Put a router
with a firewall between your broadband Internet connection and the two
computers.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Fatso" wrote in message
...
I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a
broadband
connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the
internet,
but they can't see each other.

They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can
ping
the network address of the other machine on both.

On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire
network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see
machine 2
and share the resources.

On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even
itself.

I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can
see
they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working

Any suggestions?

Richard G. Harper wrote:
I think you are incorrect - if you check the IP addresses on the two
computers I'll bet they're in completely different address ranges. A switch
does not do NAT, so each PC is being assigned an IP address by your ISP.

He said he's using a router.

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