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Old June 29th 04, 09:53 PM
Menno Hershberger
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I have an old IBM computer here with a 4 gig drive that's partitioned
2, 1, and 1 (C, D, and E). It had never had any Windows Updates, and by
the time I got those all done, C drive is almost full. A lot of it is
pictures saved in My Documents. Is it possible to create a My Documents
folder on one of the other partitions and have Windows default to it? Or
would this have to be done in the various applications that default to My
Documents?
The thing is rather a mess. C is Fat 32, and the other two are Fat 16. I
couldn't convert D because he had Norton installed on that drive. If I
were starting anew, it would all be one partition!

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Old June 29th 04, 10:15 PM
PCR
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(1) Move the Swap File to D:..

Control Panel, System, Performance tab, bolt "Let me specify...", &
select D:\ from the dropdown menu. OK your way out, & reboot. (The other
settings there are perhaps best left at Windows defaults-- zero Min & no
max Max.) On reboot, you may still have a "C:\Windows\Win386.swp",
however it's size will now be zero. Now, it is said, this should only be
moved to the first Primary partition on a drive. Also, if for some
reason D: becomes unavailable, the swap file will revert to C:. So,
better keep some space available.

(2) Move Temporary Internet Files. Here's how to move it to
"D:\Temporary Internet Files"...

1. "Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button, check 'Delete
all offline content', OK, Apply, OK". May as well click to clear
"History" while there.
2. Close all open windows, except Internet Properties.
3. Click the "Settings button".
4. Click "Move Folder".
5. In the "Browse for Folder" requestor...
a. Highlight (D, or click plus to left of (D, & highlight any
sub-folder you may wish to contain TIFs.
d. Click OK
6. It will ask; give it permission to re-boot

Now, TIFs are where you want them, and all is well with the world. The
folder Temporary Internet Files & all it's contents has been moved to
D:\. (However, check up on it now/then, as mine have snuck back a few
times, likely after big IE critical updates.

(3) Move the Outlook Express store folder to D:\...

1. Create a folder for them, perhaps "D:\Outlook Express Store".
2. "OE, Tools menu, Options, Maintenence tab, Store Folder button,
Change button".
3. Browse to your folder, click OK & OK.
4. Close OE, & reopen it. The move will then occur.

(4) Move "My Documents" to D:...

1. R-Clk "My Documents" on the Desktop, & select "Properties".
2. Change the "Target" to "D:\My Documents".
It will offer to create that folder, if not already there.
3. Manually copy the contents of "C:\My Document" to "D:\My Documents".
4. CAVEAT...
While it does change "Personal" in two Registry keys...
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Explorer\She
ll Folders
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Explorer\Use
r Shell Folders

....I manually found 18 others myself. Though these were generally in app
settings, I thought one/two seemed to be system keys. Windows did not
itself do shortcuts, either.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main
Save Directory "D:\My Documents\"

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Explorer\She
ll Folders
My Pictures "D:\My Documents\My Pictures"

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\DirectX Diagnostic Tool
TxtPath "D:\My Documents"

I had to do those myself!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Menno Hershberger" wrote in message
...
| I have an old IBM computer here with a 4 gig drive that's partitioned
| 2, 1, and 1 (C, D, and E). It had never had any Windows Updates, and
by
| the time I got those all done, C drive is almost full. A lot of it is
| pictures saved in My Documents. Is it possible to create a My
Documents
| folder on one of the other partitions and have Windows default to it?
Or
| would this have to be done in the various applications that default to
My
| Documents?
| The thing is rather a mess. C is Fat 32, and the other two are Fat 16.
I
| couldn't convert D because he had Norton installed on that drive. If I
| were starting anew, it would all be one partition!
|
| --
| -- What happens if you get scared half to death twice? --


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Old June 30th 04, 02:28 AM
Gary S. Terhune
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Suggest you convert E:\ to FAT32. Create a folder there called anything
(though you might typically call it "My Documents", then right click on the
"My Documents" desktop item, Properties. You can direct it to use whatever
folder you want it to, and in this case you want to use the newly created
folder. An option exists to move everything from the old "My Documents
folder to the new. Suggest you use that, then delete the old C:\My
Documents" folder (after making sure it's empty.)

"My Documents", as it appears on the Desktop and at the top of the Windows
Explorer tree, is also known as the "Personal" Shell folder Anything that
defaults to "My Documents" will default to wherever the "Personal"
environment is Set to be in the Registry. Unfortunately, many programs
discover this information while installing, use it to set their own
"default" Save locations, etc., and retain it forever afterwards until you
reinstall them. You might, instead, want to use Find in the Registry, search
up the old path, and replace it wherever it occurs.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Explorer\Shell
Folders

But, more to the point... Norton *what*? Why does it prevent you from
converting to FAT32? Regardless, why not UNINSTALL that blasted Norton, get
something better and then do some finagling to get it all back to one
partition? BootIt NG is a simple partitioning tool that can accomplish it.
Ask if you'd like to hear more on the subject. Also sounds like that system
could use some cleaning out. Perhaps you have a ton of TEMP files and
unnecessary Uninstall backups you could dump?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Menno Hershberger" wrote in message
...
I have an old IBM computer here with a 4 gig drive that's partitioned
2, 1, and 1 (C, D, and E). It had never had any Windows Updates, and by
the time I got those all done, C drive is almost full. A lot of it is
pictures saved in My Documents. Is it possible to create a My Documents
folder on one of the other partitions and have Windows default to it? Or
would this have to be done in the various applications that default to My
Documents?
The thing is rather a mess. C is Fat 32, and the other two are Fat 16. I
couldn't convert D because he had Norton installed on that drive. If I
were starting anew, it would all be one partition!

--
-- What happens if you get scared half to death twice? --


  #4  
Old June 30th 04, 03:31 PM
Menno Hershberger
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"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
:

Suggest you convert E:\ to FAT32. Create a folder there called
anything (though you might typically call it "My Documents", then
right click on the "My Documents" desktop item, Properties. You can
direct it to use whatever folder you want it to, and in this case you
want to use the newly created folder. An option exists to move
everything from the old "My Documents folder to the new. Suggest you
use that, then delete the old C:\My Documents" folder (after making
sure it's empty.)

"My Documents", as it appears on the Desktop and at the top of the
Windows Explorer tree, is also known as the "Personal" Shell folder
Anything that defaults to "My Documents" will default to wherever the
"Personal" environment is Set to be in the Registry. Unfortunately,
many programs discover this information while installing, use it to
set their own "default" Save locations, etc., and retain it forever
afterwards until you reinstall them. You might, instead, want to use
Find in the Registry, search up the old path, and replace it wherever
it occurs.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Explorer\Sh
ell Folders

But, more to the point... Norton *what*? Why does it prevent you from
converting to FAT32? Regardless, why not UNINSTALL that blasted
Norton, get something better and then do some finagling to get it all
back to one partition? BootIt NG is a simple partitioning tool that
can accomplish it. Ask if you'd like to hear more on the subject. Also
sounds like that system could use some cleaning out. Perhaps you have
a ton of TEMP files and unnecessary Uninstall backups you could dump?

The Fat 32 converter popped up the message about not being able to
convert the Norton installation. I could have, and probably should have
uninstalled it and started over. My guess is that the machine probably
originally had Windows 95 on it and that's why the small partitions in the
first place. I've never used Bootit NG, but I've heard a lot about it. It
couldn't be any more dangerous than Partition Magic! There wouldn't have
been room for PM on there anyway.
I did manage to get the swap file, TIF files, and My Documents moved, I
cleaned out the windows\temp folder and then set TEMP and TMP to
d:\temp in autoexec.bat. I've got about 400 Mb free on C now.
My biggest problem is that he has already installed some program files
on D, including Norton. If I went the whole route I'd have to uninstall all
those and reinstall after making it all one partition. And I'm not sure if
he has the installation CD's or whatever to reinstall it all with. It's an
old 266 and it takes forever to do anything. I'll check with him and if
he's not in a hurry, I may just set it aside for a couple of days and then
tackle it when I have more time. I've got a couple of others sitting here
right now that are going to have to take precedence.
Thanks to you and PCR for your tips. I've got everything moved that's
moveable. I didn't do any manual registry changes since if I DO decide to
put it all into one partiton, I'd have to undo them again.

--
-- What happens if you get scared half to death twice? --
  #5  
Old June 30th 04, 06:42 PM
Gary S. Terhune
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Sounds to me like you have done about as much as you should (except suggest
another HD.) I'd probably leave it alone at this point--except to search out
deletable materials on C:\, as I suggested before. Uninstall info for
Windows patches/upgrades, folders of pre-installation extracted files such
as occur with many programs and especially with drivers installation
packages. You know, the kind that come in self-extracting ZIP files, unzip
themselves to C:\xxxxx, run from there and then remain behind to collect
dust. All that needs to be saved it the ZIP file. Also move such
installation files to D:\ or E:\.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Menno Hershberger" wrote in message
...
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
:

Suggest you convert E:\ to FAT32. Create a folder there called
anything (though you might typically call it "My Documents", then
right click on the "My Documents" desktop item, Properties. You can
direct it to use whatever folder you want it to, and in this case you
want to use the newly created folder. An option exists to move
everything from the old "My Documents folder to the new. Suggest you
use that, then delete the old C:\My Documents" folder (after making
sure it's empty.)

"My Documents", as it appears on the Desktop and at the top of the
Windows Explorer tree, is also known as the "Personal" Shell folder
Anything that defaults to "My Documents" will default to wherever the
"Personal" environment is Set to be in the Registry. Unfortunately,
many programs discover this information while installing, use it to
set their own "default" Save locations, etc., and retain it forever
afterwards until you reinstall them. You might, instead, want to use
Find in the Registry, search up the old path, and replace it wherever
it occurs.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Explorer\Sh
ell Folders

But, more to the point... Norton *what*? Why does it prevent you from
converting to FAT32? Regardless, why not UNINSTALL that blasted
Norton, get something better and then do some finagling to get it all
back to one partition? BootIt NG is a simple partitioning tool that
can accomplish it. Ask if you'd like to hear more on the subject. Also
sounds like that system could use some cleaning out. Perhaps you have
a ton of TEMP files and unnecessary Uninstall backups you could dump?

The Fat 32 converter popped up the message about not being able to
convert the Norton installation. I could have, and probably should have
uninstalled it and started over. My guess is that the machine probably
originally had Windows 95 on it and that's why the small partitions in the
first place. I've never used Bootit NG, but I've heard a lot about it. It
couldn't be any more dangerous than Partition Magic! There wouldn't have
been room for PM on there anyway.
I did manage to get the swap file, TIF files, and My Documents moved, I
cleaned out the windows\temp folder and then set TEMP and TMP to
d:\temp in autoexec.bat. I've got about 400 Mb free on C now.
My biggest problem is that he has already installed some program files
on D, including Norton. If I went the whole route I'd have to uninstall

all
those and reinstall after making it all one partition. And I'm not sure if
he has the installation CD's or whatever to reinstall it all with. It's an
old 266 and it takes forever to do anything. I'll check with him and if
he's not in a hurry, I may just set it aside for a couple of days and then
tackle it when I have more time. I've got a couple of others sitting here
right now that are going to have to take precedence.
Thanks to you and PCR for your tips. I've got everything moved that's
moveable. I didn't do any manual registry changes since if I DO decide to
put it all into one partiton, I'd have to undo them again.

--
-- What happens if you get scared half to death twice? --


  #6  
Old June 30th 04, 07:47 PM
PCR
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You are welcome. Here are some deletes you may do. I know you've already
done most of it...

(1) Delete the contents of C:\Windows\TEMP. Delete contents only.

Under normal circumstances, C:\WINDOWS\TEMP can be cleared of
files/folders after a fresh boot. You need the fresh boot, because
something may be sitting there, waiting to "complete" an install. You
will likely have seen a message about it, though. Anyway, you should
know whether you've installed something since boot. Now, some files may
return after the delete. "WebPoolFileFile" is one. That will come back
next boot or when you run McAfee.

I have seen one poster who objected, saying one should browse through
those files, looking for .log's. He said it might be interesting to see
whether there is an error message or something inside. It was too late
for me by then.

Naturally, if you have actually installed something into TEMP, there
might be a Registry connection to it. Those, you need to un/re-install
elsewhere. Finally, I even saw a poster who had system files in there,
perhaps it was the Temporary Internet Files in there. That shouldn't be!
Well, to be certain, is C:\Windows\TEMP mentioned in any of these
Registry keys?

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Explorer\She
ll Folders
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Explorer\Use
r Shell Folders

(2) "Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button, bolt Delete
all offline content, OK, OK"

These were your Temporary Internet Files, which, since V4, has an
involvement with Windows Update. It's main purpose is to hold
bits/pieces of sites you visit, to make it quicker to load next visit.
Also, it is a work area for OE6. Naturally, TIFs will grow back. It's
size is controllable by the slider & input box under the Settings
button.

(3) Most of the following shall never return again, and were work files,
pre-V4:
(a) "START, Settings, Folder Options, View tab"; bolt "Show all
files" & UNcheck "Hide file extensions...".
(b) Open Explorer to "C:\Program Files\WindowsUpdate", and
(c) Delete everything in this folder EXCEPT the V4 folder.
(d) Open the V4 folder, and delete everything in it EXCEPT for the
"iuhist.xml" file.

(4) http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q238165
Deleting APPLOG Content
(a) You won't even see it, unless "START, Settings, Folder Options,
View tab" is bolted "Show all files"; may as well uncheck "Hide file
extensions..." too.
(b) START, Find, Files or Folders, Applog"
(c) Double-click the Applog folder to open it.
(d) On the Edit menu, click Select all.
(e) On the File menu, click Delete, and then click Yes when you are
prompted to confirm the deletion.

APPLOG is used by Defrag to optimize the location of files on your
partition. (Some files in it seem extraordinarily large.) It will be
recreated and the contents will accumulate, as the second time any app
is run it generates an .LGC in that folder. (Optlog.txt, in that folder,
will be recreated, when next you Defrag. Save the old one only to retain
a record of every app that has run, at least twice, to the date of your
last Defrag.)

(5) "START, Find, F/F, fff*". Got any, with a name that is tons long?
Then...

.......Quote.........
You find that you are accumulating a lot of temporary files in your
Windows directory that start with fff and have a .tmp extension, similar
to this:

fff137e3_{3BC6A120-EFC3-11D2-96F7-D0634EC10000}.tmp
fff137e3_{3BC6A121-EFC3-11D2-96F7-D0634EC10000}.tmp

These files are created by a bug in certain versions of MDM.EXE....two
every time it is loaded.
See he
OFF2000: Files Whose Name Begins with 'fff' Appear in Windows Folder"
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=221438

OFF: How to Turn Off Machine Debug Manager, Mdm.exe
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=321410

MDM is loaded with programs such as Office, and Microsoft Script
Debugger.
The fix is to prevent it from loading, by renaming the file, and
removing its reference in the startup group.

Rename MDM.EXE to MDM.EX_ or MDM.BAD, or something like that.
Look for any reference to MDM.EXE in the Startup folders:
C:\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp
C:\Windows\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp
and in the registry run key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run
and delete it.

Then delete all those fff___.tmp files.
Note that if you reinstall any of the programs that added MDM.EXE, you
may get it loaded back, and will have to disable it again.

....glen
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
.......End....of quote.......

(6) Also, do you have SpyBot? Then...
"START, Find, F/F, 'Checks*.*, Fixes*.*'" (No quotes; yes comma). If you
have a ton of these, then delete them. Go to the Settings screen of
SpyBot, & turn off both the Checks & Fixes logs.


http://www.pcmag.com/ 's HDValet can help with that. It is configurable,
& installs with pre-configured suggestions. By design, it will not
delete empty folders, after the files are gone. Also, it will not delete
files that are "in use". It isn't pre-configured to delete it's own log
& doesn't over-write it. So, occasionally, do go in and trim it.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Menno Hershberger" wrote in message
...
| "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
| :
|
| Suggest you convert E:\ to FAT32. Create a folder there called
| anything (though you might typically call it "My Documents", then
| right click on the "My Documents" desktop item, Properties. You can
| direct it to use whatever folder you want it to, and in this case
you
| want to use the newly created folder. An option exists to move
| everything from the old "My Documents folder to the new. Suggest you
| use that, then delete the old C:\My Documents" folder (after making
| sure it's empty.)
|
| "My Documents", as it appears on the Desktop and at the top of the
| Windows Explorer tree, is also known as the "Personal" Shell folder
| Anything that defaults to "My Documents" will default to wherever
the
| "Personal" environment is Set to be in the Registry. Unfortunately,
| many programs discover this information while installing, use it to
| set their own "default" Save locations, etc., and retain it forever
| afterwards until you reinstall them. You might, instead, want to use
| Find in the Registry, search up the old path, and replace it
wherever
| it occurs.
|
|
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Explorer\Sh
| ell Folders
|
| But, more to the point... Norton *what*? Why does it prevent you
from
| converting to FAT32? Regardless, why not UNINSTALL that blasted
| Norton, get something better and then do some finagling to get it
all
| back to one partition? BootIt NG is a simple partitioning tool that
| can accomplish it. Ask if you'd like to hear more on the subject.
Also
| sounds like that system could use some cleaning out. Perhaps you
have
| a ton of TEMP files and unnecessary Uninstall backups you could
dump?
| The Fat 32 converter popped up the message about not being able to
| convert the Norton installation. I could have, and probably should
have
| uninstalled it and started over. My guess is that the machine
probably
| originally had Windows 95 on it and that's why the small partitions in
the
| first place. I've never used Bootit NG, but I've heard a lot about it.
It
| couldn't be any more dangerous than Partition Magic! There wouldn't
have
| been room for PM on there anyway.
| I did manage to get the swap file, TIF files, and My Documents
moved, I
| cleaned out the windows\temp folder and then set TEMP and TMP to
| d:\temp in autoexec.bat. I've got about 400 Mb free on C now.
| My biggest problem is that he has already installed some program
files
| on D, including Norton. If I went the whole route I'd have to
uninstall all
| those and reinstall after making it all one partition. And I'm not
sure if
| he has the installation CD's or whatever to reinstall it all with.
It's an
| old 266 and it takes forever to do anything. I'll check with him and
if
| he's not in a hurry, I may just set it aside for a couple of days and
then
| tackle it when I have more time. I've got a couple of others sitting
here
| right now that are going to have to take precedence.
| Thanks to you and PCR for your tips. I've got everything moved
that's
| moveable. I didn't do any manual registry changes since if I DO decide
to
| put it all into one partiton, I'd have to undo them again.
|
| --
| -- What happens if you get scared half to death twice? --


 




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