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Old February 9th 07, 10:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Ian H
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Default Nat Router and 'normal' Router ??

Hello ppl..

I wish to bring a router into my house for a few reasons, and I would
like to know if there is such a thing as a Normal Router and a Nat Router?

Dropped into a computer shop today to price a router and also to ask
which suited me in my circumstances. After showing me a couple, I asked
if they had the Nat ability and hence provided better protection than a
firewall could, to whit he said that as far as he was concerned, All
routers were Nat.(and yes, they provided better security than a firewall)
Anyone clear this up for me?

He also said that Routers Only work via Broadband, no dial-ups... this
true as well?

I will be using my Win98se computer as primary when networking some
others I have here.

Ian H


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Old February 9th 07, 10:41 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Brian A.
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Default Nat Router and 'normal' Router ??


"Ian H" wrote in message
...
Hello ppl..

I wish to bring a router into my house for a few reasons, and I would
like to know if there is such a thing as a Normal Router and a Nat Router?

Dropped into a computer shop today to price a router and also to ask
which suited me in my circumstances. After showing me a couple, I asked
if they had the Nat ability and hence provided better protection than a
firewall could, to whit he said that as far as he was concerned, All
routers were Nat.(and yes, they provided better security than a firewall)
Anyone clear this up for me?


NAT = Network Address Translation
Router do provide better protection vis their internal firewall.

To see the differences in network components see:
http://searchnetworking.techtarget.c...212924,00.html

You can click links in the article for other info.


He also said that Routers Only work via Broadband, no dial-ups... this
true as well?


See the link provided, switch link in article.

I will be using my Win98se computer as primary when networking some
others I have here.



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Old February 9th 07, 11:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
MEB
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Default Nat Router and 'normal' Router ??




"Ian H" wrote in message
...
| Hello ppl..
|
| I wish to bring a router into my house for a few reasons, and I would
| like to know if there is such a thing as a Normal Router and a Nat Router?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&d...ition&ct=title
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_router

|
| Dropped into a computer shop today to price a router and also to ask
| which suited me in my circumstances. After showing me a couple, I asked
| if they had the Nat ability and hence provided better protection than a
| firewall could, to whit he said that as far as he was concerned, All
| routers were Nat.(and yes, they provided better security than a firewall)
| Anyone clear this up for me?

They provide A layer of protection. It is NOT recommended to rely on the
router alone, but in addition to other layered protection such as a
firewall, anti-spyware, anti-virus, encryption, and other methods of
security.

|
| He also said that Routers Only work via Broadband, no dial-ups... this
| true as well?

You might find some old second hand/junk box ones that support dialup
external modem, but the newer support cable, satellite, or DSL modems, or
direct cable/fiber connections, or WiFi.

|
| I will be using my Win98se computer as primary when networking some
| others I have here.
|
| Ian H
|
|

Per your CISCO question over in networking: the CISCO network will provide
addition protections within your home system. CISCO was/is a defacto
standard related to security, and for potential setup issues. Good luck with
your studies.

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Old February 9th 07, 11:36 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Ian H
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Default Nat Router and 'normal' Router ??


Per your CISCO question over in networking: the CISCO network will provide
addition protections within your home system. CISCO was/is a defacto
standard related to security, and for potential setup issues. Good luck

with
your studies.


Thanks Brian/Meb..... glad you picked up on my Q in 'networking', was
beginning to think it was an alias for Morgue over there.
Yeah, I guess I will be asking for help now and then, I am doing the
course solo and I am smart enough to know it will be intense unless I
feel 'comfy' with all the acronyms & etc.(nearly memorised the OSI module)
(I am also doing the A+ course at the same time.)(did a mock-test the first
day two days ago, I scored 82.5%, Dux out of 20 ppl.)(NGs played a
large part in my knowledge, lurking, plus of course 'searching'.)

Brian,,, I have been accumalating sites relating to Networking, thanks
for your link.

Any tips/hints appreciated from ppl who have been there. At the moment, I
see Fully understanding the OSI as being the key...... am I on the right
track? (or should I try and focus on understanding IP addresses?)(keeping
in mind of course that I have only attended one class so far.)

Lastly, would it be more prudent to purchase a few Nic cards and cables as
opposed to purchasing a Router for the sake of the course?
I have about $80 at my fingertips at the moment, and where I am, a router
will cost about $100....... or,, I could buy a few nic cards and cables
of
which would cost about the same.
I have 'this' machine that I am using which is Win98se.. I want it to be
the
crux of everything. I have 3 other machines that I want to network to this
one.
The others have 'XP' on one, Win2000 on another, and Win98se again on
yet another.
Any pointers greatly appreciated on how I should spend my $80 bucks.
(plus another 20 I will chip in if needed........ au$$'s.)

Ian H


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Old February 9th 07, 01:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
MEB
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Default Nat Router and 'normal' Router ??

Pick up my collection over on networking if your interested, and though we
hate to lose you:
microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web seems to have a large number of
knowledgeable users and MVPs.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real
world"
http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion group for
general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world

"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________

"Ian H" wrote in message
...
|
| Per your CISCO question over in networking: the CISCO network will
provide
| addition protections within your home system. CISCO was/is a defacto
| standard related to security, and for potential setup issues. Good luck
| with
| your studies.
|
| Thanks Brian/Meb..... glad you picked up on my Q in 'networking', was
| beginning to think it was an alias for Morgue over there.
| Yeah, I guess I will be asking for help now and then, I am doing the
| course solo and I am smart enough to know it will be intense unless I
| feel 'comfy' with all the acronyms & etc.(nearly memorised the OSI module)
| (I am also doing the A+ course at the same time.)(did a mock-test the
first
| day two days ago, I scored 82.5%, Dux out of 20 ppl.)(NGs played a
| large part in my knowledge, lurking, plus of course 'searching'.)
|
| Brian,,, I have been accumalating sites relating to Networking, thanks
| for your link.
|
| Any tips/hints appreciated from ppl who have been there. At the moment, I
| see Fully understanding the OSI as being the key...... am I on the right
| track? (or should I try and focus on understanding IP addresses?)(keeping
| in mind of course that I have only attended one class so far.)
|
| Lastly, would it be more prudent to purchase a few Nic cards and cables as
| opposed to purchasing a Router for the sake of the course?
| I have about $80 at my fingertips at the moment, and where I am, a router
| will cost about $100....... or,, I could buy a few nic cards and
cables
| of
| which would cost about the same.
| I have 'this' machine that I am using which is Win98se.. I want it to
be
| the
| crux of everything. I have 3 other machines that I want to network to
this
| one.
| The others have 'XP' on one, Win2000 on another, and Win98se again on
| yet another.
| Any pointers greatly appreciated on how I should spend my $80 bucks.
| (plus another 20 I will chip in if needed........ au$$'s.)
|
| Ian H
|
|


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Old February 9th 07, 02:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Tim Slattery
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Default Nat Router and 'normal' Router ??

"Ian H" wrote:

Hello ppl..

I wish to bring a router into my house for a few reasons, and I would
like to know if there is such a thing as a Normal Router and a Nat Router?

Dropped into a computer shop today to price a router and also to ask
which suited me in my circumstances. After showing me a couple, I asked
if they had the Nat ability and hence provided better protection than a
firewall could, to whit he said that as far as he was concerned, All
routers were Nat.(and yes, they provided better security than a firewall)
Anyone clear this up for me?


Certainly all home routers do NAT (Network Address Translation).
That's how they manage to give the many machines on your home network
access to the Internet when your ISP has given you only one real IP
address.

He also said that Routers Only work via Broadband, no dial-ups... this
true as well?


At the very least, sharing a dialup line among several computers would
make access from each computer horribly slow. That being the case, I
very much doubt you'll find any such product.

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Old February 9th 07, 04:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
John John
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Default Nat Router and 'normal' Router ??

If you're on dial-up and you want a router or hardware firewall for
security purposes look for one that does "Stateful Packet Inspection".
Without that for dial-up only there is not much sense spending money on
these devices.

John

Ian H wrote:

Hello ppl..

I wish to bring a router into my house for a few reasons, and I would
like to know if there is such a thing as a Normal Router and a Nat Router?

Dropped into a computer shop today to price a router and also to ask
which suited me in my circumstances. After showing me a couple, I asked
if they had the Nat ability and hence provided better protection than a
firewall could, to whit he said that as far as he was concerned, All
routers were Nat.(and yes, they provided better security than a firewall)
Anyone clear this up for me?

He also said that Routers Only work via Broadband, no dial-ups... this
true as well?

I will be using my Win98se computer as primary when networking some
others I have here.

Ian H



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Old February 9th 07, 04:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Default Nat Router and 'normal' Router ??

John John wrote:

If you're on dial-up and you want a router or hardware firewall
for security purposes look for one that ...


You want to post a link to such a device? A hardware NAT/Firewall for
dialup?

"Stateful Packet Inspection".


You want to post a link to any NAT-router (ethernet or otherwise) that
does packet inspection and costs less than $500?

Does Best Buy, Circuit City, CompUSA, etc, sell them?
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Old February 9th 07, 06:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
John John
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Default Nat Router and 'normal' Router ??



98 Guy wrote:

John John wrote:


If you're on dial-up and you want a router or hardware firewall
for security purposes look for one that ...



You want to post a link to such a device? A hardware NAT/Firewall for
dialup?


"Stateful Packet Inspection".



You want to post a link to any NAT-router (ethernet or otherwise) that
does packet inspection and costs less than $500?

Does Best Buy, Circuit City, CompUSA, etc, sell them?


I never said that such a thing would be easy to find or cheap. Symantec
and HotBrick used to make them but I'm not sure if they still do. For
ethernet use you can look for VPN firewalls, I'm quite sure Linksys
amongst others sells such products.

John
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Old February 10th 07, 12:41 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Mike S.
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Default Nat Router and 'normal' Router ??


In article , 98 Guy wrote:
John John wrote:

If you're on dial-up and you want a router or hardware firewall
for security purposes look for one that ...


You want to post a link to such a device? A hardware NAT/Firewall for
dialup?

"Stateful Packet Inspection".


You want to post a link to any NAT-router (ethernet or otherwise) that
does packet inspection and costs less than $500?

Does Best Buy, Circuit City, CompUSA, etc, sell them?


A $60 Linksys WRT54G with DD-WRT third-party firmware has rudimentary SPI
functions.

 




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