Hard drive larger then 120GB question

rebooted
neither works
scandisk with update still won't start
98 Me defrag still can't get by 10%
i wish MSoft would realize that since 30% of all computer users still use
98, and refuse to buy Me, 2000, XP and certainly not Vista, that there is a
market for a 98 SE update that fixes the bad things and leaves out the
snooping things.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
"ssome" wrote in message

Although, i couldn't initiate scan disk, SCANDISK.EXE, at all on
the 250GB, when the machine crashed and i powered back up it auto
ran another ver of scandisk and that HD was successfully scanned.
What is that exe or com called so i can bring it up on purpose?

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

It's Scandisk.exe, and you can't run it in Windows. Only in
DOS/Command Prompt Only mode. The one that runs in Windows
is called SCANDISKW.EXE

Himem.sys must be loaded for (DOS) scandisk to function properly.

Win-98 version of Scandisk (scandskw.exe) and Defrag may not (or does
not) function on volumes larger than 137 gb, but Windows-ME versions
do. Specifically, you need to obtain the windows-ME version of
dskmaint.dll and defrag.exe and copy them to your win-98 system.

If your win-98 system is using the original protected-mode hard drive
driver (ESDI_506.PDR) then you will have problems with drives larger
than 137 gb. There is a modified version available that should fix
the problem.

If your drive is a SATA drive, then if you use it in RAID mode you
will by-pass the ESDI_506.PDR problem.

Where is Shep?
is there a win 98 ME or other scandisk dwnld that is better than SE ver?


"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
Addendum

250 GB, filled half way, 119 GB
scandisk ran out of room and win ME defrag did too
looks like although you can write to all 250, these two utils only see
119/120 not 119/250
is there a win 98 ME scandisk dwnld that is better than SE ver?

ssome

"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
The whole story

We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them.
Store
didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on
NGs
and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs,
Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new
computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98
system
up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ...

Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32
GB,
an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to
the
win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only
$60 -
so, how to make that work.

i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions
that
would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours.

the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no
virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card
...and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see'
the
whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a
little
doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing
an
install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can
now
install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98
with virtual unlimited mem storage.

Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways.

ssome


"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE
hard
drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers
for
the
controller card enable large drive support in the operating system,
while
the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to
recognize
the full drive capacity.

WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB
max.
the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again.

ssome

"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message
...
"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE

i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR;
slower
this
way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not
interactive
apps.
[]
I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was
only
true
for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E
stands
for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even
CDRs
have
been EIDE for many years.]

Where is Shep?
is there a win 98 ME or other scandisk dwnld that is better than SE ver?


"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
Addendum

250 GB, filled half way, 119 GB
scandisk ran out of room and win ME defrag did too
looks like although you can write to all 250, these two utils only see
119/120 not 119/250
is there a win 98 ME scandisk dwnld that is better than SE ver?

ssome

"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
The whole story

We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them.
Store
didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on
NGs
and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs,
Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new
computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98
system
up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ...

Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32
GB,
an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to
the
win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only
$60 -
so, how to make that work.

i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions
that
would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours.

the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no
virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card
...and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see'
the
whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a
little
doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing
an
install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can
now
install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98
with virtual unlimited mem storage.

Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways.

ssome


"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE
hard
drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers
for
the
controller card enable large drive support in the operating system,
while
the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to
recognize
the full drive capacity.

WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB
max.
the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again.

ssome

"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message
...
"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE

i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR;
slower
this
way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not
interactive
apps.
[]
I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was
only
true
for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E
stands
for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even
CDRs
have
been EIDE for many years.]

To recap:
win98SE will only see 120GB max, but you can get a 250 to work if you get
the PCI HD cntrlr card, $20. But, you can't use ScanDisk or win 98Me Defrag
on it. What to do?

i'm thinking, rather than buying XP or Vista which have more important
problems, of getting another 250+ 'B' HD for $60 to dump my 250'A' HD data
folders to, then using the cntrlr card s/w to format the 250A drive clean,
then moving the folders back (assuming that the folders would then be
compacted by the Copy process to B) from the 250B drive leaving a scanned
and formatted A drive with defragged folders, and then clean out the slave
250 B drive.

machina

or better yet, get Msoft to clean up win 98 SE, add to it with good new
limits and protection without adding any of the spy stuff. Yea, sure. But,
don't they realize that 30% of all computers still use win 98? i'd buy the
new version for $40.

ssome


"ssome" wrote in message
...
So partitioning a big drive and assigning it to D and E (and F) would be
fine
with win 98 SE on another C: drive. If the new drive was the only drive
then win would have to be installed on the first partition, to recap.

it would seem wrong to get a big (200+ GB) drive and only use the first
120
GB of it and let the rest go unused as suggested by the above msgs.

An interesting point here. i bought a new P5, 2.6 GHz machine and win
98SE
would not let the old fdisk work on the new drive. i had to go to the WD
HD
site and get 2 utils that let me fdisk and format the new 80 GB drive.
One
was a DOS file if there wasn't win 98 already in that machine and the
other
file was a win 98 file that would setup the new HD if win 98 was already
installed. i hope other HD mfgrs also do this. i got a new fdisk and
win
98Me defrag.

ssome

"T-Online" wrote in message
...
You can use Partitions smaller 137 Gb! If you want to run Win98,you must
install it on the partition at the beginning of the D iskspace.

ssome schrieb:
Where does it say that you can't partition a 240 GB drive into two
valid
120s?
a 360 into 3 ea 120s?

also, we use defrag from win 98 Me, are there other Me files we can
use
on
win 98SE?

ssome

"USR" wrote in message
...

Thanks for the links guys....

... so, I guess as long as I don't create more then one partition and
make
it less then 127GBs in size, Win98SE should have no problems...in
theory
.... I'll post back once I get the drive.


"Jon_Hildrum" wrote in message
...

try rhis place too for information

http://www.48bitlba.com/

--
Jon Hildrum

www.hildrum.com
"Touch Base" wrote in message
...

"USR" wrote in message
...
| Hello:
|
| I know that there is a limitation in Win98SE with regard to hard

drive

size
| greater then 120GB. My question is, if I put a 320GB hard drive
in

an

SE
| box but only create a partition of 120GB or less, will I still run

into

| problems?
|
| TIA
|

some information;
http://www.hexff.com/w98_hd.php

To recap:
win98SE will only see 120GB max, but you can get a 250 to work if you get
the PCI HD cntrlr card, $20. But, you can't use ScanDisk or win 98Me Defrag
on it. What to do?

i'm thinking, rather than buying XP or Vista which have more important
problems, of getting another 250+ 'B' HD for $60 to dump my 250'A' HD data
folders to, then using the cntrlr card s/w to format the 250A drive clean,
then moving the folders back (assuming that the folders would then be
compacted by the Copy process to B) from the 250B drive leaving a scanned
and formatted A drive with defragged folders, and then clean out the slave
250 B drive.

machina

or better yet, get Msoft to clean up win 98 SE, add to it with good new
limits and protection without adding any of the spy stuff. Yea, sure. But,
don't they realize that 30% of all computers still use win 98? i'd buy the
new version for $40.

ssome


"ssome" wrote in message
...
So partitioning a big drive and assigning it to D and E (and F) would be
fine
with win 98 SE on another C: drive. If the new drive was the only drive
then win would have to be installed on the first partition, to recap.

it would seem wrong to get a big (200+ GB) drive and only use the first
120
GB of it and let the rest go unused as suggested by the above msgs.

An interesting point here. i bought a new P5, 2.6 GHz machine and win
98SE
would not let the old fdisk work on the new drive. i had to go to the WD
HD
site and get 2 utils that let me fdisk and format the new 80 GB drive.
One
was a DOS file if there wasn't win 98 already in that machine and the
other
file was a win 98 file that would setup the new HD if win 98 was already
installed. i hope other HD mfgrs also do this. i got a new fdisk and
win
98Me defrag.

ssome

"T-Online" wrote in message
...
You can use Partitions smaller 137 Gb! If you want to run Win98,you must
install it on the partition at the beginning of the D iskspace.

ssome schrieb:
Where does it say that you can't partition a 240 GB drive into two
valid
120s?
a 360 into 3 ea 120s?

also, we use defrag from win 98 Me, are there other Me files we can
use
on
win 98SE?

ssome

"USR" wrote in message
...

Thanks for the links guys....

... so, I guess as long as I don't create more then one partition and
make
it less then 127GBs in size, Win98SE should have no problems...in
theory
.... I'll post back once I get the drive.


"Jon_Hildrum" wrote in message
...

try rhis place too for information

http://www.48bitlba.com/

--
Jon Hildrum

www.hildrum.com
"Touch Base" wrote in message
...

"USR" wrote in message
...
| Hello:
|
| I know that there is a limitation in Win98SE with regard to hard

drive

size
| greater then 120GB. My question is, if I put a 320GB hard drive
in

an

SE
| box but only create a partition of 120GB or less, will I still run

into

| problems?
|
| TIA
|

some information;
http://www.hexff.com/w98_hd.php

ssome wrote:

To recap:
win98SE will only see 120GB max,

Windows 98 will have a problem with hard drives larger than 127 gb in
size only if it uses it's standard driver to access the drive. That
driver is ESDI_506.PDR. If the drive in question is connected to the
system via a SATA or RAID controller, then there is a good chance that
the system can be setup such that the ESDI_506.PDR driver -will not
be used- for drive access, and hence the use of drives larger than
127 gb is possible.

Some have modified or fixed the ESDI_506.PDR file to remedy the
situation. Read here for more information:

http://www.msfn.org/board/Enable48Bi...er_t78592.html

ssome wrote:

To recap:
win98SE will only see 120GB max,

Windows 98 will have a problem with hard drives larger than 127 gb in
size only if it uses it's standard driver to access the drive. That
driver is ESDI_506.PDR. If the drive in question is connected to the
system via a SATA or RAID controller, then there is a good chance that
the system can be setup such that the ESDI_506.PDR driver -will not
be used- for drive access, and hence the use of drives larger than
127 gb is possible.

Some have modified or fixed the ESDI_506.PDR file to remedy the
situation. Read here for more information:

http://www.msfn.org/board/Enable48Bi...er_t78592.html

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
ssome wrote:

To recap:
win98SE will only see 120GB max,
[]
Some have modified or fixed the ESDI_506.PDR file to remedy the
situation. Read here for more information:

http://www.msfn.org/board/Enable48Bi...er_t78592.html

Unfortunately, when attempting to download the new file(s) from the links in
that article, one is denied access.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
ssome wrote:

To recap:
win98SE will only see 120GB max,
[]
Some have modified or fixed the ESDI_506.PDR file to remedy the
situation. Read here for more information:

http://www.msfn.org/board/Enable48Bi...er_t78592.html

Unfortunately, when attempting to download the new file(s) from the links in
that article, one is denied access.

"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:

http://www.msfn.org/board/Enable48Bi...er_t78592.html

Unfortunately, when attempting to download the new file(s) from the
links in that article, one is denied access.

I just tried it, and it works fine.

This is the link for the Win-98 SE version:

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...=post&id=13558

You are probably being blocked by your own AV software or some other
browser protection mechanism. You need to turn that off (probably).