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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. Interesting, thanks. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. [] (I am now wondering: is the 128G [137 if you're a drive mfr.] limit in older OSs the reason there are still quite a few _new_ 40 and 80 G drives on the market?) ....and that 30% of all computers still run win 98 SE because it is fine for them since they are not into Gaming or Video or have 20 users on the system and that they can easily load it into their other machine and can clean reload and can add h/w and s/w to them without having to ask MSoft for permission. i bought another 512 mb of RAM (for 1 GB now) changed the system.ini file $25 and bought a Sabrent HD cntrlr PCI card $20 that i hope will see the whole 250 GB HD and allow me to partition it into 2 ea 125GB drives that will then be used by win 98 SE. i got the newer fdisk file. this will allow me to add up to 4 more HD type devices in addition to the 3 HD and one CDR i have now. Hope 120 GB drives drop in price fast. |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
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and can run their DOS apps ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. Interesting, thanks. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. [] (I am now wondering: is the 128G [137 if you're a drive mfr.] limit in older OSs the reason there are still quite a few _new_ 40 and 80 G drives on the market?) |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
add to pro 98 SE list:
and can run their DOS apps ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. Interesting, thanks. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. [] (I am now wondering: is the 128G [137 if you're a drive mfr.] limit in older OSs the reason there are still quite a few _new_ 40 and 80 G drives on the market?) |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
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We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them. Store didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs, Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98 system up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ... Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB, an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 - so, how to make that work. i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions that would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours. the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card ....and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98 with virtual unlimited mem storage. Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways. ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower this way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not interactive apps. [] I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only true for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E stands for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs have been EIDE for many years.] |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
The whole story
We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them. Store didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs, Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98 system up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ... Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB, an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 - so, how to make that work. i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions that would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours. the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card ....and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98 with virtual unlimited mem storage. Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways. ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower this way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not interactive apps. [] I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only true for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E stands for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs have been EIDE for many years.] |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
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250 GB, filled half way, 119 GB scandisk ran out of room and win ME defrag did too looks like although you can write to all 250, these two utils only see 119/120 not 119/250 is there a win 98 ME scandisk dwnld that is better than SE ver? ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. The whole story We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them. Store didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs, Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98 system up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ... Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB, an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 - so, how to make that work. i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions that would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours. the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card ...and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98 with virtual unlimited mem storage. Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways. ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower this way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not interactive apps. [] I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only true for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E stands for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs have been EIDE for many years.] |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
Addendum
250 GB, filled half way, 119 GB scandisk ran out of room and win ME defrag did too looks like although you can write to all 250, these two utils only see 119/120 not 119/250 is there a win 98 ME scandisk dwnld that is better than SE ver? ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. The whole story We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them. Store didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs, Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98 system up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ... Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB, an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 - so, how to make that work. i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions that would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours. the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card ...and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98 with virtual unlimited mem storage. Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways. ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower this way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not interactive apps. [] I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only true for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E stands for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs have been EIDE for many years.] |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
Tried moving 25 GB of data out of the 250 GB drive,
and re-scandisk/defrag on it (91 GB/250) didn't work, either need better (free) scan and defrag for win 98 SE that will work with HDs over 137 GB ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. The whole story We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them. Store didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs, Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98 system up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ... Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB, an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 - so, how to make that work. i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions that would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours. the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card ...and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98 with virtual unlimited mem storage. Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways. ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower this way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not interactive apps. [] I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only true for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E stands for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs have been EIDE for many years.] |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
Tried moving 25 GB of data out of the 250 GB drive,
and re-scandisk/defrag on it (91 GB/250) didn't work, either need better (free) scan and defrag for win 98 SE that will work with HDs over 137 GB ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. The whole story We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them. Store didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs, Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98 system up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ... Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB, an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 - so, how to make that work. i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions that would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours. the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card ...and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98 with virtual unlimited mem storage. Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways. ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower this way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not interactive apps. [] I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only true for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E stands for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs have been EIDE for many years.] |
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No data is safe on a HD over 137 GB using Windows 98/98SE. That is to say,
no partition that is accessible by those OSes should extend beyond that limit. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "ssome" wrote in message . .. Tried moving 25 GB of data out of the 250 GB drive, and re-scandisk/defrag on it (91 GB/250) didn't work, either need better (free) scan and defrag for win 98 SE that will work with HDs over 137 GB ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. The whole story We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them. Store didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs, Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98 system up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ... Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB, an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 - so, how to make that work. i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions that would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours. the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card ...and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98 with virtual unlimited mem storage. Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways. ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower this way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not interactive apps. [] I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only true for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E stands for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs have been EIDE for many years.] |
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