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No motherboard chipset driver - will AGP or PCIe video card driverfunction?
If we're dealing with an ASUS 8NI motherboard:
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?mo...l2=15&l3= 148 with chipset: NVIDIA nForce 4 SLI MCP How likely is it that if running windows 98 I'd be able to get an Nvidia 6600 PCIe video card to work (presumably at anything higher than 640 x 460 x 16 colors) if I didn't actually install the chipset drivers (because there aren't any for win-98) ??? Even if there are "tweaked" nvidia drivers that allow PCIe boards to function under win-98? Isin't a chipset driver (either the north or south bridge) necessary to fully install either the AGP or PCIe video driver? |
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No motherboard chipset driver - will AGP or PCIe video card driver function?
"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
If we're dealing with an ASUS 8NI motherboard: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?mo...l2=15&l3= 148 with chipset: NVIDIA nForce 4 SLI MCP How likely is it that if running windows 98 I'd be able to get an Nvidia 6600 PCIe video card to work (presumably at anything higher than 640 x 460 x 16 colors) if I didn't actually install the chipset drivers (because there aren't any for win-98) ??? You have picked up this animal by the wrong end. If we want to run Win98 on any PC for which no legacy provisions exist, we need first to instal an operating system that activates all the hardware (such as XP) and then instal Win98 as a Virtual PC. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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No motherboard chipset driver - will AGP or PCIe video card driverfunction?
Don Phillipson wrote:
You have picked up this animal by the wrong end. If we want to run Win98 on any PC for which no legacy provisions exist, we need first to instal an operating system that activates all the hardware (such as XP) and then instal Win98 as a Virtual PC. That's a general comment that wipes away the details of my original question. Can a (win-98) video card driver (for a VGA or PCIe video card) be fully operable on a system running win-98 if there is no installed win-98 driver for the motherboard chipset? |
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No motherboard chipset driver - will AGP or PCIe video card driver function?
with an ASUS 8NI motherboard: with chipset: NVIDIA nForce 4 SLI MCP
How likely is it that if running windows 98 I'd be able to get an Nvidia 6600 PCIe video card to work (presumably at anything higher than 640 x 460 x 16 colors) if I didn't actually install the chipset drivers obviously javispedro succeeded somehow... if I understand right, only thing he used was the patched nForce 3 network driver and the normal tweaked nvidia driver... I suppose the motherboard is compatible with win98's builtin support for AGP or something? but for other computers where you are not as lucky it should be possible to run with some vesa-driver instead? it will not be accelerated and 3D but get full resolution... Even if there are "tweaked" nvidia drivers that allow PCIe boards to function under win-98? well a good™ graphics driver wouldn't need any motherboard driver installed too but instead do all the work by itself :-) but I don't think nvidias drivers are of that kind.... Isn't a chipset driver (either the north or south bridge) necessary to fully install either the AGP or PCIe video driver? yeah I thought so too (northbridge I believe). anyone here that knows more about how things work? btw, when looking at the list at the end of tha page http://www.yournewdriver.com/NVIDIA_...ers_ 6886.htm does it means that it do support some parts of nForce4 with win98 (not raid, and audio requires winME?) |
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No motherboard chipset driver - will AGP or PCIe video card driver function?
"98 Guy" wrote in message ... If we're dealing with an ASUS 8NI motherboard: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?mo...l2=15&l3= 148 with chipset: NVIDIA nForce 4 SLI MCP How likely is it that if running windows 98 I'd be able to get an Nvidia 6600 PCIe video card to work (presumably at anything higher than 640 x 460 x 16 colors) if I didn't actually install the chipset drivers (because there aren't any for win-98) ??? Even if there are "tweaked" nvidia drivers that allow PCIe boards to function under win-98? Isin't a chipset driver (either the north or south bridge) necessary to fully install either the AGP or PCIe video driver? Nvidia does have a "universal" installer for the 6600 video card (about a 40 meg download) http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Scan.aspx?lang=en-us it will *probably* work on your machine even without the chipset drivers for your motherboard. I'd give it a try and see what happens. Win98 should install pretty fast on that machine... so you won't be wasting too much time if it turns out not to work. It's been my experience with Nvidia that you simply run the video card installer and it will detect and install the appropriate driver for your OS. |
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No motherboard chipset driver - will AGP or PCIe video card drive
"98 Guy" wrote: If we're dealing with an ASUS 8NI motherboard: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?mo...l2=15&l3= 148 with chipset: NVIDIA nForce 4 SLI MCP How likely is it that if running windows 98 I'd be able to get an Nvidia 6600 PCIe video card to work (presumably at anything higher than 640 x 460 x 16 colors) if I didn't actually install the chipset drivers (because there aren't any for win-98) ??? Even if there are "tweaked" nvidia drivers that allow PCIe boards to function under win-98? Isin't a chipset driver (either the north or south bridge) necessary to fully install either the AGP or PCIe video driver? 16 colors or true colors is no matter at all, its still show Picture, unless your card faulty, or open up your PC and take out video card slot, & put back in/out few time, then try again maybe you got lucky |
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No motherboard chipset driver - will AGP or PCIe video card drive
jamesron wrote:
Isin't a chipset driver (either the north or south bridge) necessary to fully install either the AGP or PCIe video driver? 16 colors or true colors is no matter at all, its still show Picture, But the difference between 16-color VGA mode and 32-bit modes with higher resolution *is the matter*. You can install win-98 with any video card, and until the card-specific drivers are installed, all you're likely to get is plain 16-color VGA mode. Hence my question - are the chipset drivers necessary for the video card drivers to operate properly, such that the user can set the display mode to something beyond 16-color vga mode. The answer (at least in the case of a system with ASUS 8NI motherboard with nForce 4 SLI chipset) is that an Nvidia PCIe 6600 vga card will function properly (ie full win-98 driver support) even without chipset drivers being present. The fact that the card in question is PCIe (not just AGP) is even more "interesting", given that the threads I've been following pertaining to win-98 and PCIe video cards (Nvidia cards anyways) suggests that the odds of getting an Nvidia PCIe card to work on win-98 is less than 50-50 - even when chipset drivers are available and installed. |
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No motherboard chipset driver - will AGP or PCIe video card driver function?
Nvidia does have a "universal" installer for the 6600 video card (about a 40 meg download) http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Scan.aspx?lang=en-us is it possible to download that 40MB file without using internet explorer? in neither of my web browsers the page works... in firefox it stops at a message "Scanning System... Click here if the scan did not complete." (and if I click, I just get the same message again) it will *probably* work on your machine even without the chipset drivers for your motherboard. Nice of them to make a graphic driver that just works (at least for motherboards with nvidias chipset and some others) Now if I just could download the thing.... |
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No motherboard chipset driver - will AGP or PCIe video card driver function?
"teebo" wrote in message newsp.ulemd3hsbr8ivg@300pl... Nvidia does have a "universal" installer for the 6600 video card (about a 40 meg download) http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Scan.aspx?lang=en-us is it possible to download that 40MB file without using internet explorer? in neither of my web browsers the page works... in firefox it stops at a message "Scanning System... Click here if the scan did not complete." (and if I click, I just get the same message again) it will *probably* work on your machine even without the chipset drivers for your motherboard. Nice of them to make a graphic driver that just works (at least for motherboards with nvidias chipset and some others) Now if I just could download the thing.... Although I did not specifically try to download that file... it does say that it requires IE, Firefox or Netscape... Before I got to the page I had to allow it to install a plug-in. Some folks don't like plug-in's but I am one who lives on the edge G What did Teddy Roosevelt say anyway: Download quietly but carry a big backup ! |
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No motherboard chipset driver - will AGP or PCIe video card driverfunction?
philo wrote:
Nvidia does have a "universal" installer for the 6600 video card (about a 40 meg download) http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Scan.aspx?lang=en-us is it possible to download that 40MB file without using internet explorer? Now if I just could download the thing.... Although I did not specifically try to download that file... it does say that it requires IE, Firefox or Netscape... Philo claims the following link: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Scan.aspx?lang=en-us is a "universal installer" for "6600 video card", but what it really is is a link to an activeX or Java control that performs some sort of automated video hardware detection mechanism and presumably would also kick-in an automatic download of the required Nvidia driver. When I go through the typical Nvidia download-driver proceedure, and select: Product type: GeForce Product series: GeForce series 6 Operating system: Windows 98 Language: English (US) Then (search), I end up he http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_81.98.html Windows 9x/ME ForceWare Release 80 Version: 81.98 Release Date: December 21, 2005 Primary download site: http://download.nvidia.com/Windows/8...9x_english.exe Perhaps that is what Philo is identifying as a "universal installer" for "6600 video card" - I don't know. PS: This link: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Scan.aspx?lang=en-us Results in an attempt to download a java applet called: name: SRLApplet publisher: Husdawg, LLC from: htto://www.nvidia.com I choose to download it (what the hell). After a minute or two, the applet started to show some signs of life, and then I got this: The NVIDIA Smart Scan was unable to evaluate your system hardware. Please use Option 1 to manually find drivers for your NVIDIA products. return_status:fail The display adapter on the system I'm currently using is: Nvidia GeForce4 MX 440, AGP8X No idea why the applet is failing... |
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