I used to have 7 partitions, now I have 14. Sigh.

Hi gang.

Here's a weird one.

I am trying to make my old 166MHz into a DOS/95 game machine.

It still has an 8.4 Quantum drive, runs fine. Has 7 partitions.
Always did.

I tried to install Windows, it wouldn't. I can't remember the
message, whatever.

I restored an Acronis Image of a year old or so-setup. I deleted
most of it since I won't need it. I renamed Windows OLDWIN and
installed Windows from the original OEM CD, leaving out all the
stuff I will never need, like internet, disk compression, etc.

So far so good. I installed my graphics card software (Matrox
Mystique). OK.

I installed Total Commander and since I could not think of where
the ini file was (it /was/ in OLDWIN of course but I had deleted
it already) - plus I make small improvements to it all the time
- I copied the ini file to it from /this/ machine - /this/
machine has 16 partitions (c-r + CD drive). I changed a few
things in the ini file, like the shortcuts to some partitions,
etc.

A short time after I did that, instead of showing the 7
partitions, TC started showing 14.
c,d,e,f,g,h,i AND THEN c(j), d(k), etc. all the way to i(p), and
Q is the CDR drive now.

I thought TC went nuts, but the SAME thing shows in WE (as much
as I hated even opening it).

Fdisk in DOS shows the correct (7) partitions and no other info.
However, Ranish Partition Manager shows 14 and says there are
problems with half of them (I kind of gathered there were), and
that "partitions overlap", among a few other statements I either
can't understand or can't remember.

Questions:

1. WTF happened?

2. I typed fdisk /mbr, no change.

3. What do I do?
a) I could restore another Acronis Image and do the same
thing as before, basically, /hoping/ nothing weird happens.
b) I could format c: and install windows again, unless it
refuses to again (a question in itself - I seem to recall
"incorrect COMSPEC=" but Googling just led to programmer stuff,
in which case I'd restore an Acronis image again and keep going.
c: I could install MS-DOS 6.21 from 4 floppies and let it
make one 8.4GB partition (as it warns it is going to do unless I
exit it) and then fdisk 6 or so partitions, format, and try to
install Windows.

or I could do the /right/ thing, if someone tells me what that
might be.

Thanks for any help. This is one of the weirdest things that
I've ever seen happen.
t.

I tried to install Windows, it wouldn't. I can't remember the
message, whatever.

I'm too lazy to write down stuff too, so nowadays I just take a
photo of the screen with a digital camera, in case I need the
error message later

installed Windows from the original OEM CD, leaving out all the
stuff I will never need, like internet, disk compression, etc.

hopefully everything worked fine this time with win installation?

I installed Total Commander and
....
- I copied the ini file to it from /this/ machine - /this/
machine has 16 partitions (c-r + CD drive). I changed a few
things in the ini file, like the shortcuts to some partitions,

wincmd.ini don't save what partitions you have...

A short time after I did that, instead of showing the 7
partitions, TC started showing 14.
c,d,e,f,g,h,i AND THEN c(j), d(k), etc. all the way to i(p), and
Q is the CDR drive now.
I thought TC went nuts, but the SAME thing shows in WE (as much
as I hated even opening it).

yeah it shouldn't have anything to do with totalcommander

Fdisk in DOS shows the correct (7) partitions and no other info.
However, Ranish Partition Manager shows 14 and says there are
problems with half of them (I kind of gathered there were), and
that "partitions overlap", among a few other statements I either
can't understand or can't remember.

something went wrong when you restored that Acronis Image
I guess that disk image tool do a backup of the whole disk
with all partitions, and when you restore it it wants a complete
empty disk (without any premade partitions) to restore to,
since it creates the partitions itself.

1. WTF happened?

I whould say that Acronis Image have a big bug if it didn't say
"Hey! this disk is not empty! shall I delete all existsing partitions
first?"
but instead just added its partitions after the existing ones in
the partitionlist but pointed them anyway to the location on the
disk those partitions had when backupped.

2. I typed fdisk /mbr, no change.

that doesn't fix the partition table, only the boot-program,
besides the extra partitions is probably extended partitions
and is not in the mbr (they are max 4)

3. What do I do?

perhaps you can let Ranish Partition Manager delete
the extra partitions for you.
That should be enough.

a) I could restore another Acronis Image and do the same
thing as before, basically, /hoping/ nothing weird happens.

yes but before you restore your acronis disk image backup,
remember to remove all partitions from the disk. including
extended partitions. I believe acronis don't restore just the
files - it restores an image of the disks partitions and put these
where they used to be (but strangely don't restore an exact
image to the MBR)

b) I could format c: and install windows again, unless it

I don't think that whould help in any way, and it shouldn't be needed.

c) I could install MS-DOS 6.21 from 4 floppies and let it
make one 8.4GB partition (as it warns it is going to do unless I
exit it) and then fdisk 6 or so partitions, format, and try to
install Windows.

could work allso if all else fails. btw, isn't 7 partitions
a bit much with a disk as small as 8 GB? (ok perhaps you
sort things in different partitions)

or I could do the /right/ thing, if someone tells me what that
might be.

depends on how much work you want to put into it :-)

I would remove all partitions, then restore that acronis backup,
then move all files you want to save on c: to one of the other
partitions, then format c:, then install win98se with 98lite,
install the motherboard/graphics/soundcard/printer-drivers etc and
the bugpatches and new generic usb-drivers and things (perhaps using
one of the unofficial servicepacks/autopatchers etc), then directx90c,
then change all windowsexplorers settings to opposite and all that
tuning of windows like removing autostarting stuff and removing
trashcan etc, then install all the applications you want to have
and fixing them up, then starting to sort all the files on
the other partitions, then doing a defrag, then making a new bakup,
then delete useless files in the c:\ root

(since I would have net on it too, I had somewhere there in the
beginning changed to 'windows login' to get rid of the loginscreen
and changed to fixed ipadress and put that in my router, and
fooling around with firefox about:config settings some hour too)

And then.... well.. then I go play some dos games for the
rest of the weekend ;-)

teebo wrote in newsp.uk6uesx6br8ivg@300pl:

I tried to install Windows, it wouldn't. I can't remember
the message, whatever.

I'm too lazy to write down stuff too, so nowadays I just
take a photo of the screen with a digital camera, in case I
need the error message later

That's a good idea - especially since most of those messages are
in DOS and I am not aware of a screengrab function in DOS. But I
don't have a digital camera. Mainly because I have 2 35mm
cameras and I can't remember when I last used one for anything.

installed Windows from the original OEM CD, leaving out
all the stuff I will never need, like internet, disk
compression, etc.

hopefully everything worked fine this time with win
installation?

Yes.

I installed Total Commander and
...
- I copied the ini file to it from /this/ machine - /this/
machine has 16 partitions (c-r + CD drive). I changed a
few things in the ini file, like the shortcuts to some
partitions,

wincmd.ini don't save what partitions you have...

I know, I meant just removing unnecessary shortcuts etc.

A short time after I did that, instead of showing the 7
partitions, TC started showing 14.
c,d,e,f,g,h,i AND THEN c(j), d(k), etc. all the way to
i(p), and Q is the CDR drive now.
I thought TC went nuts, but the SAME thing shows in WE (as
much as I hated even opening it).

yeah it shouldn't have anything to do with totalcommander

Exactly - it's a basic disk partitioning thing - and I tried
about 5 different partition tools from Hiren's CD and NONE
showed anything wrong except Ranish - but since there is NO
documentation from Ranish and I am not "comfortable" with
delving into the GUTS of the computer, I am a little afraid to
use it.

OTOH, I really have nothing to lose, because having Googled a
little more last night and read one or two semi-useful answers
in another group, it looks like I may well have to do a zero-
fill/factory restore-wipe of the entire drive and start from
scratch.

When I was messing around with that C: drive a few weeks ago
(trying to make a PCChips M572 MB run at 475MHz with a hacked
BIOS etc. and doing a lot of crazy stuff without thinking) I MAY
have picked up a virus which may still have resided somewhere in
the MBR yesterday (before I fdisked it) and may have caused this
sudden and bizarre behavior. I can't virus-scan since I don't
have anything installed. Catch 22.

Fdisk in DOS shows the correct (7) partitions and no other
info. However, Ranish Partition Manager shows 14 and says
there are problems with half of them (I kind of gathered
there were), and that "partitions overlap", among a few
other statements I either can't understand or can't
remember.

something went wrong when you restored that Acronis Image
I guess that disk image tool do a backup of the whole disk
with all partitions, and when you restore it it wants a
complete empty disk (without any premade partitions) to
restore to, since it creates the partitions itself.

I think it was more what I said in the previous paragraph. I
have used Acronis for over 5 years, same old trusty version and
NEVER a problem. It does not touch any other partitions unless
you want to resize when restoring (I never did) and it always
restores beautifully and has never caused anyt problems let
alone something this weird.

BTW almost everything on Google and "overlapping partitions" is
Linux-related. Weird.

1. WTF happened?

I whould say that Acronis Image have a big bug if it didn't
say "Hey! this disk is not empty! shall I delete all
existsing partitions first?"
but instead just added its partitions after the existing
ones in the partitionlist but pointed them anyway to the
location on the disk those partitions had when backupped.

No, as explained before, it doesn't do that. Also, for about 15
minutes after the restore everything was fine, and then I
noticed I had 14 partitions instead of 7 (+ CD drive). I noticed
it WHEN it happened, and I did nothing to make it happen - so
SOMETHING made it happen and that something will probably have
to be killed with a zero-fill.

2. I typed fdisk /mbr, no change.

that doesn't fix the partition table, only the
boot-program, besides the extra partitions is probably
extended partitions and is not in the mbr (they are max 4)

Right, apparently the partition info is in about 80 bytes above
the MBR and fdisk /mbr won't help there.

3. What do I do?

perhaps you can let Ranish Partition Manager delete
the extra partitions for you.
That should be enough.

Since I have nothing to lose, I'll try it. I WISH there was some
documentation! Sigh.

a) I could restore another Acronis Image and do the
same
thing as before, basically, /hoping/ nothing weird
happens.

yes but before you restore your acronis disk image backup,
remember to remove all partitions from the disk. including
extended partitions. I believe acronis don't restore just
the files - it restores an image of the disks partitions
and put these where they used to be (but strangely don't
restore an exact image to the MBR)

I don't know about that - I /believe/ the MBR is at the start of
C: and therefore IS restored by the Acronis - but I could be
wrong. (I REALLY have to read up on the MBR, finally!)

b) I could format c: and install windows again,
unless it

I don't think that whould help in any way, and it shouldn't
be needed.

I think you're right.


c) I could install MS-DOS 6.21 from 4 floppies and
let it
make one 8.4GB partition (as it warns it is going to do
unless I exit it) and then fdisk 6 or so partitions,
format, and try to install Windows.

could work allso if all else fails. btw, isn't 7 partitions
a bit much with a disk as small as 8 GB? (ok perhaps you
sort things in different partitions)

Well, I don't put movies or 3-CD games on the machine, and I
prefer to have the thing organized by partitions instead of 70
directories in the root of C. This machine (40GB HD) has 16
partitions and it's working out fine.

or I could do the /right/ thing, if someone tells me what
that might be.

depends on how much work you want to put into it :-)

I don't mind the work - and it looks like there's no escaping
it.

I would remove all partitions, then restore that acronis
backup, then move all files you want to save on c: to one
of the other partitions, then format c:, then install
win98se with 98lite, install the
motherboard/graphics/soundcard/printer-drivers etc and the
bugpatches and new generic usb-drivers and things (perhaps
using one of the unofficial servicepacks/autopatchers etc),
then directx90c, then change all windowsexplorers settings
to opposite and all that tuning of windows like removing
autostarting stuff and removing trashcan etc, then install
all the applications you want to have and fixing them up,
then starting to sort all the files on the other
partitions, then doing a defrag, then making a new bakup,
then delete useless files in the c:\ root

(since I would have net on it too, I had somewhere there in
the beginning changed to 'windows login' to get rid of the
loginscreen and changed to fixed ipadress and put that in
my router, and fooling around with firefox about:config
settings some hour too)

That is the correct /full/ procedure, I would leave some things
out since I am not going to ever connect that machine to the
net, etc.

And then.... well.. then I go play some dos games for the
rest of the weekend ;-)

Maybe a weekend a few weeks away, but hopefully SOMEDAY.

Thanks very much for your reply and comments.


--
"May you live in partitioned times."
(curse, origin disputed)

"thanatoid" wrote in message
...
teebo wrote in newsp.uk6uesx6br8ivg@300pl:

I tried to install Windows, it wouldn't. I can't remember
the message, whatever.

I'm too lazy to write down stuff too, so nowadays I just
take a photo of the screen with a digital camera, in case I
need the error message later

That's a good idea - especially since most of those messages are
in DOS and I am not aware of a screengrab function in DOS. But I
don't have a digital camera. Mainly because I have 2 35mm
cameras and I can't remember when I last used one for anything.


If you don't have a camera, you can just turn the brightness up
and burn the error message right into the phosphors...

Then just replace the monitor and set the old one aside G

"thanatoid" wrote in message
...

I'm too lazy to write down stuff too, so nowadays I just
take a photo of the screen with a digital camera, in case I
need the error message later

That's a good idea - especially since most of those messages are
in DOS and I am not aware of a screengrab function in DOS.

Correct: DOS has no screen grab function. But there are DOS
utilities for this purpose (loaded TSR at boot, activated by hotkey.)

OTOH, I really have nothing to lose, because having Googled a
little more last night and read one or two semi-useful answers
in another group, it looks like I may well have to do a zero-
fill/factory restore-wipe of the entire drive and start from
scratch.

There may be no such thing as a factory restore of installed DOS.
Your needs may be met by:
1. Copying all config. and data files via USB to an external drive.
2. FDISK repartition to wipe the HDD and create new drives
as you prefer, all then FORMATTED.
3. Installation of Win98 OS on C:
4. Reinstallation of your Win98 apps and copying from the USB drive.
(Steps 1-3 should take less than one hour.)

BTW almost everything on Google and "overlapping partitions" is
Linux-related. Weird.

This may be because of the number of Linux installations within
DOS-made partitions (likely nowadays common, not weird.)

c) I could install MS-DOS 6.21 from 4 floppies and
let it
make one 8.4GB partition (as it warns it is going to do
unless I exit it) and then fdisk 6 or so partitions,
format, and try to install Windows.

This is backwards. You have to use FDISK and FORMAT
to create a bootable C: drive before any OS can be installed to it.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

In message , thanatoid
writes
teebo wrote in newsp.uk6uesx6br8ivg@300pl:

I tried to install Windows, it wouldn't. I can't remember
the message, whatever.

I'm too lazy to write down stuff too, so nowadays I just
take a photo of the screen with a digital camera, in case I
need the error message later

That's a good idea - especially since most of those messages are
in DOS and I am not aware of a screengrab function in DOS. But I
don't have a digital camera. Mainly because I have 2 35mm
cameras and I can't remember when I last used one for anything.

Yes, but the knowledge that you have to develop or get developed the
film is a putoff, however marginal. Even the cheapest digital camera
should be able to do that.

Assuming you are in character mode, and have an old parallel-port
printer that can work in basic text mode, then the Prt Sc button in DOS
will usually actually print the screen(!), if that's any help. Not quite
a screen grab, but possibly useful.
[]
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** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

Cole's Law: Thinly sliced cabbage.

Correct: DOS has no screen grab function. But there are DOS
utilities for this purpose (loaded TSR at boot, activated by hotkey.)

I have used a screen grabbing program called snarf that is nice
but do save the image in the current directory,
anyone know a screen grab tsr (preferably open source) that can
be set to save the images in a specific directory?

best whould be the kind that save textscreens as image-files
(fileformat doesn't mather) and not textfiles.

thanatoid wrote:
| Hi gang.
|
| Here's a weird one.
|
| I am trying to make my old 166MHz into a DOS/95 game machine.
|
| It still has an 8.4 Quantum drive, runs fine. Has 7 partitions.
| Always did.

Is that one Primary Partition (C & one Extended Partition with 6
Volumes (D:-I inside? An Extended Partition counts as a 2nd Primary
Partition. A single hard disk can have up to 4 Primary Partitions. I
tend to agree with teebo that Acronis added your backup Image to the
hard drive (was it an Image containing both Primary Partitions?)--
instead of wiping what was already there first! Therefore, you ended up
with 14 partitions showing up in Explorer. I don't know why Acronis
never behaved like that before-- was it the aborted install of Windows
that may have mussed the MBR?

Explorer CAN handle 2 Extended Partitions & show all the Volumes that
are inside, plus the other 2 Primaries. (You may not have seen it all at
first because it requires scrolling Explorer's (& Commander's?) left
pane. FDISK CAN'T handle it; so, you didn't see the mess with that. But
apparently Ranish did show it just fine.

As teebo suggested, 1st try deleting the extra partitions-- they
probably are a lot smaller than the good ones. Otherwise, zero-fill &
start over as you say.

| I tried to install Windows, it wouldn't. I can't remember the
| message, whatever.
|
| I restored an Acronis Image of a year old or so-setup. I deleted
| most of it since I won't need it. I renamed Windows OLDWIN and
| installed Windows from the original OEM CD, leaving out all the
| stuff I will never need, like internet, disk compression, etc.
|
| So far so good. I installed my graphics card software (Matrox
| Mystique). OK.
|
| I installed Total Commander and since I could not think of where
| the ini file was (it /was/ in OLDWIN of course but I had deleted
| it already) - plus I make small improvements to it all the time
| - I copied the ini file to it from /this/ machine - /this/
| machine has 16 partitions (c-r + CD drive). I changed a few
| things in the ini file, like the shortcuts to some partitions,
| etc.
|
| A short time after I did that, instead of showing the 7
| partitions, TC started showing 14.
| c,d,e,f,g,h,i AND THEN c(j), d(k), etc. all the way to i(p), and
| Q is the CDR drive now.
|
| I thought TC went nuts, but the SAME thing shows in WE (as much
| as I hated even opening it).
|
| Fdisk in DOS shows the correct (7) partitions and no other info.
| However, Ranish Partition Manager shows 14 and says there are
| problems with half of them (I kind of gathered there were), and
| that "partitions overlap", among a few other statements I either
| can't understand or can't remember.
|
| Questions:
|
| 1. WTF happened?
|
| 2. I typed fdisk /mbr, no change.
|
| 3. What do I do?
| a) I could restore another Acronis Image and do the same
| thing as before, basically, /hoping/ nothing weird happens.
| b) I could format c: and install windows again, unless it
| refuses to again (a question in itself - I seem to recall
| "incorrect COMSPEC=" but Googling just led to programmer stuff,
| in which case I'd restore an Acronis image again and keep going.
| c: I could install MS-DOS 6.21 from 4 floppies and let it
| make one 8.4GB partition (as it warns it is going to do unless I
| exit it) and then fdisk 6 or so partitions, format, and try to
| install Windows.
|
| or I could do the /right/ thing, if someone tells me what that
| might be.
|
| Thanks for any help. This is one of the weirdest things that
| I've ever seen happen.
| t.
|
|
|
| --
| "May you live in interesting times."
| (curse, origin disputed)
|
|
| --
| "May you live in interesting times."
| (curse, origin disputed)

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

don't have a digital camera. Mainly because I have 2 35mm
cameras and I can't remember when I last used one for anything.

hehe the old cameras had the huge disadvantage that each
photo costs money, so you can't just take photos randomly..
our old camera was used only for xmas, vacations, and a photo or
two at birthdays... when looking at the old photoalbum it is
xmas, summer, xmas, birthday, summer, xmas... ;-)

Exactly - it's a basic disk partitioning thing - and I tried
about 5 different partition tools from Hiren's CD and NONE
showed anything wrong except Ranish - but since there is NO

perhaps ranish is better then the others then (I havent used it myself)
and actually checks for errors before it begin, the other perhaps
just assume the disk is correctly partitioned. What does gparted say?

(btw what is the equivalence today of NortonDiscDoctor we always
used to use back in the days? I suspect that my old NDD will say
"fat32?? blaeh ugh.. LBA48??? pah gurgle yech blaeh...")

documentation from Ranish and I am not "comfortable" with
delving into the GUTS of the computer, I am a little afraid to
use it.

time to learn more guts now :-)
(as long as you have your stuff backed up to dvd nothing
bad can really happen... well as long you don't fail
with flashing bios rom on old computers perhaps)

the MBR yesterday (before I fdisked it) and may have caused this
sudden and bizarre behavior. I can't virus-scan since I don't
have anything installed. Catch 22.

well if there is a program running that as kind of diskmanager
in the background that fiddles with all the disk accesses
then I guess on can get all kinds of problems.

so always remember to set bios to first boot from the cd when
you want to boot clean, and not rely on the boot-to-cd
from grub bootmenu or similar.

about virus-scanning, I think there still are antivirus
programs for dos or? perhaps not any more... anyway I wouldn't
trust an antivursprogram that is installed at the system I
suspect have virus... somethin like a bootcd that have
a antivrus program autostarting would be nice....

I don't know about that - I /believe/ the MBR is at the start of
C: and therefore IS restored by the Acronis - but I could be
wrong. (I REALLY have to read up on the MBR, finally!)

hehe... wikipedia have nice info to start with I think

lets say you have 1 primary partition and an extend patition
with the other 6 in it... and those partitions toghether
use the whole disk (regardless if the partitions themself
are emtpy or not), then you start the backup restore program,
that want to write its 7 backupped partitions... and it say like
"hello, there is no nonpartitioned space to restore this to
so I suspect you want to replace those partitions that are
on the disk, they seems to be the same size as the backup
and all, press ok to replace the partitons on the disk
with the backup?" and then because of some evil software in
memory that disturbs it, it replaces the partitions as intended
but when it comes to writing the partition table something
stops it from cleaning the partition table first, so instead
it just add one more primary and one extended partition
after the existing ones. Since the old ones points to the
same space on the disk and most programs just ignores
any primary partition that comes after an extended one
everything works nice (except ranish that says "hey man
there is poopoo in your partition list here...!")

sounds possible? :-)

Well, I don't put movies or 3-CD games on the machine, and I
prefer to have the thing organized by partitions instead of 70
directories in the root of C. This machine (40GB HD) has 16
partitions and it's working out fine.

yeah I sort my stuff into partitions too. well there used to
be nice order. but now the disk is so full that I have begun
to save music on the program-partition because the right one
is full, and my directory for installationprograms have been
split into two partitions and those huge-stuff-to-sort-later
seems to have got self-awareness and threatens to consume the
stuff-I-fiddle-with-right-now directories.
Stangely I have 7 partitions too.. (must be a magic number)
but are divided into two 120GB disks...
(and then I have that 'should be copied back to the harddisk
again' dvd with things I temporarly removed to make some
elbow space last xmas)

I don't mind the work

ohh.. this sounds intresting ...
you don't mind doing a small review webpage of those
win98-packs and stuff with recomendations of what to use/combine
and when and if they work with non-english versions and...
....no? ;-)

That is the correct /full/ procedure, I would leave some things
out since I am not going to ever connect that machine to the
net, etc.

but... but.. that whould be like... cheating! :-D

Maybe a weekend a few weeks away, but hopefully SOMEDAY.

soon it is xmas!
rsn

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"thanatoid" wrote in message
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teebo wrote in newsp.uk6uesx6br8ivg@300pl:

I tried to install Windows, it wouldn't. I can't
remember the message, whatever.

I'm too lazy to write down stuff too, so nowadays I just
take a photo of the screen with a digital camera, in
case I need the error message later

That's a good idea - especially since most of those
messages are in DOS and I am not aware of a screengrab
function in DOS. But I don't have a digital camera. Mainly
because I have 2 35mm cameras and I can't remember when I
last used one for anything.


If you don't have a camera, you can just turn the
brightness up and burn the error message right into the
phosphors...

Then just replace the monitor and set the old one aside G

You bring up a tragic event which I have not mentioned, since it
brings tears to my eyes... The color problems my 11-yr old
Trinitron developed were becoming unbearable on the eyes, so I
did the unthinkable... (Sony won't fix CRT's anymore.)

No, not an LCD /yet/...

An LG 17". (I have a 1994 HP2804 but it will only run at 60Hz at
800x600 and that is not acceptable on the eyes either.)

There was /nothing/ else except used monitors worse than my
2804. I was lucky to find ONE store that had a few of these LG
CRT's!

It's actually not bad except for a couple of areas with
geometric distortion, which some people might not even notice,
but I sure as hell do. But I don't care anymore. And I /did/
thus discover ONE advantage of LCD's. Aside from the aspect
ratio insanity, there CAN be no geometric distortion since it's
a hardware grid of pixels.

Well, this LG probably won't last very long...

BTW, I (needless to say) found a DOS screen capture program on
one of my "zipper" CD-R's.


--
"May you live in LCD's-are-waiting-to-get-you times."
(curse, origin disputed)