Winipcfg only finds one adapter

I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC connected by
a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are connected to the phone
line (no ICS).

On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either find
the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending on which
one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails to find any of
the three PC's in my network. Ping can find internet addresses when I'm
connected to my ISP.

In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols,
services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in different ways
but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one adapter at a time.
If I install the dial up adapter first then it is visible in winipcfg.
If I install the onboard NIC first then it will be visible in winipcfg.

Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter first
then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC first then I
can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect to my ISP the modem
will dial and try to connect to the ISP and then report that my username
or password are invalid (I know my UN and PW are correct). Regardless of
which adapter I install first my peer to peer network still works fine.

I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I
reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some settings are
still intact such as shares, PC name, network name, file sharing,
printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me think that even
though I have completely uninstalled networking there is still something
which is not being deleted that should be and this is what's causing the
problem I see with winipcfg (and possibly ping).

IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The first
MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem I had tried
to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with no success. After
replacing the MOBO I was able to install and configure the PC with no
problems (I thought).

At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall Windows.
My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would rather not
reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm hoping someone
can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for your help.

--
Mark

The normal fixes would be similar to what you have already used. However:

1. Run though the removals one more time [Network adapter, DUN, etc.], FIRST
make sure you have deleted any DUN setup adapters, network adapters, AND
removed any settings *in your browsers* for connections. Boot to Safe Mode
and remove any ghosted devices or residuals. See the NOTE below.

2. Boot twice normally however install NOTHING, just cancel when hardware
found. Save the registry [from Run scanregw].

3. Boot for the third time, install your modem first IF you have one, then
DUN, NOTE DUN was updated and you MUST install the updated version. Check on
Microsoft for the DUN98 update.
Reboot, do not install network adapter. Go to My Computer Dialup
Networking and check for setup.

4. Restart normally and install the network adapter, reboot, Check Network
in Control Panel for the adapter AND that Microsoft Network client has been
installed, if not install, AND TCP/IP. IF you had to install the client OR
the protocol, reboot, return to Network and check that both the modem AND
the adapter have TCP/IP installed as the DEFAULT protocol, and both receive
DNS and IP dynamically.

Re-check the browsers for connection settings.

NOTE: We have repeatedly discussed complete removals of DUN and adapter
settings, related registry areas, and other in these forums. Check this
group and win98.gen_discussion via Google groups for these settings and
removals before you get more frustrated. You will also find more people in
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion to provide help.
~
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The *REAL WORLD* of Law, Justice, and Government
_______



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I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC connected by
a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are connected to the phone
line (no ICS).

On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either find
the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending on which
one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails to find any of
the three PC's in my network. Ping can find internet addresses when I'm
connected to my ISP.

In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols,
services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in different ways
but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one adapter at a time.
If I install the dial up adapter first then it is visible in winipcfg.
If I install the onboard NIC first then it will be visible in winipcfg.

Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter first
then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC first then I
can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect to my ISP the modem
will dial and try to connect to the ISP and then report that my username
or password are invalid (I know my UN and PW are correct). Regardless of
which adapter I install first my peer to peer network still works fine.

I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I
reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some settings are
still intact such as shares, PC name, network name, file sharing,
printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me think that even
though I have completely uninstalled networking there is still something
which is not being deleted that should be and this is what's causing the
problem I see with winipcfg (and possibly ping).

IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The first
MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem I had tried
to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with no success. After
replacing the MOBO I was able to install and configure the PC with no
problems (I thought).

At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall Windows.
My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would rather not
reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm hoping someone
can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for your help.

--
Mark

The normal fixes would be similar to what you have already used. However:

1. Run though the removals one more time [Network adapter, DUN, etc.], FIRST
make sure you have deleted any DUN setup adapters, network adapters, AND
removed any settings *in your browsers* for connections. Boot to Safe Mode
and remove any ghosted devices or residuals. See the NOTE below.

2. Boot twice normally however install NOTHING, just cancel when hardware
found. Save the registry [from Run scanregw].

3. Boot for the third time, install your modem first IF you have one, then
DUN, NOTE DUN was updated and you MUST install the updated version. Check on
Microsoft for the DUN98 update.
Reboot, do not install network adapter. Go to My Computer Dialup
Networking and check for setup.

4. Restart normally and install the network adapter, reboot, Check Network
in Control Panel for the adapter AND that Microsoft Network client has been
installed, if not install, AND TCP/IP. IF you had to install the client OR
the protocol, reboot, return to Network and check that both the modem AND
the adapter have TCP/IP installed as the DEFAULT protocol, and both receive
DNS and IP dynamically.

Re-check the browsers for connection settings.

NOTE: We have repeatedly discussed complete removals of DUN and adapter
settings, related registry areas, and other in these forums. Check this
group and win98.gen_discussion via Google groups for these settings and
removals before you get more frustrated. You will also find more people in
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion to provide help.
~
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The *REAL WORLD* of Law, Justice, and Government
_______



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I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC connected by
a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are connected to the phone
line (no ICS).

On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either find
the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending on which
one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails to find any of
the three PC's in my network. Ping can find internet addresses when I'm
connected to my ISP.

In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols,
services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in different ways
but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one adapter at a time.
If I install the dial up adapter first then it is visible in winipcfg.
If I install the onboard NIC first then it will be visible in winipcfg.

Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter first
then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC first then I
can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect to my ISP the modem
will dial and try to connect to the ISP and then report that my username
or password are invalid (I know my UN and PW are correct). Regardless of
which adapter I install first my peer to peer network still works fine.

I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I
reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some settings are
still intact such as shares, PC name, network name, file sharing,
printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me think that even
though I have completely uninstalled networking there is still something
which is not being deleted that should be and this is what's causing the
problem I see with winipcfg (and possibly ping).

IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The first
MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem I had tried
to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with no success. After
replacing the MOBO I was able to install and configure the PC with no
problems (I thought).

At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall Windows.
My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would rather not
reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm hoping someone
can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for your help.

--
Mark

"MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in
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I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC connected
by a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are connected to the
phone line (no ICS).

On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either
find the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending on
which one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails to find
any of the three PC's in my network. Ping can find internet addresses
when I'm connected to my ISP.

In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols,
services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in different
ways but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one adapter at a
time. If I install the dial up adapter first then it is visible in
winipcfg. If I install the onboard NIC first then it will be visible
in winipcfg.

Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter first
then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC first then
I can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect to my ISP the
modem will dial and try to connect to the ISP and then report that my
username or password are invalid (I know my UN and PW are correct).
Regardless of which adapter I install first my peer to peer network
still works fine.

I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I
reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some settings
are still intact such as shares, PC name, network name, file sharing,
printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me think that even
though I have completely uninstalled networking there is still
something which is not being deleted that should be and this is
what's causing the problem I see with winipcfg (and possibly ping).

IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The
first MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem I
had tried to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with no
success. After replacing the MOBO I was able to install and configure
the PC with no problems (I thought).

At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall
Windows. My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would
rather not reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm
hoping someone can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for
your help.

The normal fixes would be similar to what you have already used.
However:

1. Run though the removals one more time [Network adapter, DUN, etc.],
FIRST make sure you have deleted any DUN setup adapters, network
adapters, AND removed any settings *in your browsers* for connections.
Boot to Safe Mode and remove any ghosted devices or residuals. See the
NOTE below.

2. Boot twice normally however install NOTHING, just cancel when
hardware found. Save the registry [from Run scanregw].

3. Boot for the third time, install your modem first IF you have one,
then DUN, NOTE DUN was updated and you MUST install the updated
version. Check on Microsoft for the DUN98 update.
Reboot, do not install network adapter. Go to My Computer Dialup
Networking and check for setup.

4. Restart normally and install the network adapter, reboot, Check
Network in Control Panel for the adapter AND that Microsoft Network
client has been installed, if not install, AND TCP/IP. IF you had to
install the client OR the protocol, reboot, return to Network and
check that both the modem AND the adapter have TCP/IP installed as the
DEFAULT protocol, and both receive DNS and IP dynamically.

Re-check the browsers for connection settings.

NOTE: We have repeatedly discussed complete removals of DUN and
adapter settings, related registry areas, and other in these forums.
Check this group and win98.gen_discussion via Google groups for these
settings and removals before you get more frustrated. You will also
find more people in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion to provide
help. ~

One thing I have not tried is to remove the NIC driver or the modem
driver from Device Manager. As these are hardware drivers I assumed that
removing them would have no effect on winipcfg seeing only one adapter
at a time. What do you think, should I also remove these drivers from
Device Manager along with removing Dialup Networking too? Perhaps you
are in agreement with this and I have not understood you, if so then my
bad.

The confusion arises because Networking in Control Panel allows the
removal / installation of adapters (dialup and network) without
indicating if these are hardware drivers or just network components. I
had always assumed that they aren't hardware drivers.

I note that when I remove the dialup adapter from Network in Control
Panel, Plug & Play does not ask for a driver disk when rebooting however
when I remove the NIC driver it does ask for a driver disk on reboot.
This seems inconsistent to me. I suppose it's possible the modem is not
Plug & Play but that doesn't explain why the hardware drivers for both
devices are still present in Device Manager even after they have been
removed from Network in Control Panel.

I have not taken any action since I made my OP as I wanted to hear your
opinion before proceeding. Thank you for your assistance.

--
Mark

"MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in
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wrote in message
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I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC connected
by a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are connected to the
phone line (no ICS).

On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either
find the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending on
which one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails to find
any of the three PC's in my network. Ping can find internet addresses
when I'm connected to my ISP.

In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols,
services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in different
ways but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one adapter at a
time. If I install the dial up adapter first then it is visible in
winipcfg. If I install the onboard NIC first then it will be visible
in winipcfg.

Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter first
then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC first then
I can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect to my ISP the
modem will dial and try to connect to the ISP and then report that my
username or password are invalid (I know my UN and PW are correct).
Regardless of which adapter I install first my peer to peer network
still works fine.

I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I
reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some settings
are still intact such as shares, PC name, network name, file sharing,
printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me think that even
though I have completely uninstalled networking there is still
something which is not being deleted that should be and this is
what's causing the problem I see with winipcfg (and possibly ping).

IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The
first MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem I
had tried to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with no
success. After replacing the MOBO I was able to install and configure
the PC with no problems (I thought).

At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall
Windows. My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would
rather not reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm
hoping someone can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for
your help.

The normal fixes would be similar to what you have already used.
However:

1. Run though the removals one more time [Network adapter, DUN, etc.],
FIRST make sure you have deleted any DUN setup adapters, network
adapters, AND removed any settings *in your browsers* for connections.
Boot to Safe Mode and remove any ghosted devices or residuals. See the
NOTE below.

2. Boot twice normally however install NOTHING, just cancel when
hardware found. Save the registry [from Run scanregw].

3. Boot for the third time, install your modem first IF you have one,
then DUN, NOTE DUN was updated and you MUST install the updated
version. Check on Microsoft for the DUN98 update.
Reboot, do not install network adapter. Go to My Computer Dialup
Networking and check for setup.

4. Restart normally and install the network adapter, reboot, Check
Network in Control Panel for the adapter AND that Microsoft Network
client has been installed, if not install, AND TCP/IP. IF you had to
install the client OR the protocol, reboot, return to Network and
check that both the modem AND the adapter have TCP/IP installed as the
DEFAULT protocol, and both receive DNS and IP dynamically.

Re-check the browsers for connection settings.

NOTE: We have repeatedly discussed complete removals of DUN and
adapter settings, related registry areas, and other in these forums.
Check this group and win98.gen_discussion via Google groups for these
settings and removals before you get more frustrated. You will also
find more people in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion to provide
help. ~

One thing I have not tried is to remove the NIC driver or the modem
driver from Device Manager. As these are hardware drivers I assumed that
removing them would have no effect on winipcfg seeing only one adapter
at a time. What do you think, should I also remove these drivers from
Device Manager along with removing Dialup Networking too? Perhaps you
are in agreement with this and I have not understood you, if so then my
bad.

The confusion arises because Networking in Control Panel allows the
removal / installation of adapters (dialup and network) without
indicating if these are hardware drivers or just network components. I
had always assumed that they aren't hardware drivers.

I note that when I remove the dialup adapter from Network in Control
Panel, Plug & Play does not ask for a driver disk when rebooting however
when I remove the NIC driver it does ask for a driver disk on reboot.
This seems inconsistent to me. I suppose it's possible the modem is not
Plug & Play but that doesn't explain why the hardware drivers for both
devices are still present in Device Manager even after they have been
removed from Network in Control Panel.

I have not taken any action since I made my OP as I wanted to hear your
opinion before proceeding. Thank you for your assistance.

--
Mark

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"MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in
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wrote in message
net...
I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC connected
by a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are connected to the
phone line (no ICS).

On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either
find the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending on
which one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails to find
any of the three PC's in my network. Ping can find internet addresses
when I'm connected to my ISP.

In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols,
services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in different
ways but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one adapter at a
time. If I install the dial up adapter first then it is visible in
winipcfg. If I install the onboard NIC first then it will be visible
in winipcfg.

Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter first
then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC first then
I can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect to my ISP the
modem will dial and try to connect to the ISP and then report that my
username or password are invalid (I know my UN and PW are correct).
Regardless of which adapter I install first my peer to peer network
still works fine.

I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I
reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some settings
are still intact such as shares, PC name, network name, file sharing,
printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me think that even
though I have completely uninstalled networking there is still
something which is not being deleted that should be and this is
what's causing the problem I see with winipcfg (and possibly ping).

IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The
first MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem I
had tried to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with no
success. After replacing the MOBO I was able to install and configure
the PC with no problems (I thought).

At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall
Windows. My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would
rather not reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm
hoping someone can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for
your help.

The normal fixes would be similar to what you have already used.
However:

1. Run though the removals one more time [Network adapter, DUN, etc.],
FIRST make sure you have deleted any DUN setup adapters, network
adapters, AND removed any settings *in your browsers* for connections.
Boot to Safe Mode and remove any ghosted devices or residuals. See the
NOTE below.

2. Boot twice normally however install NOTHING, just cancel when
hardware found. Save the registry [from Run scanregw].

3. Boot for the third time, install your modem first IF you have one,
then DUN, NOTE DUN was updated and you MUST install the updated
version. Check on Microsoft for the DUN98 update.
Reboot, do not install network adapter. Go to My Computer Dialup
Networking and check for setup.

4. Restart normally and install the network adapter, reboot, Check
Network in Control Panel for the adapter AND that Microsoft Network
client has been installed, if not install, AND TCP/IP. IF you had to
install the client OR the protocol, reboot, return to Network and
check that both the modem AND the adapter have TCP/IP installed as the
DEFAULT protocol, and both receive DNS and IP dynamically.

Re-check the browsers for connection settings.

NOTE: We have repeatedly discussed complete removals of DUN and
adapter settings, related registry areas, and other in these forums.
Check this group and win98.gen_discussion via Google groups for these
settings and removals before you get more frustrated. You will also
find more people in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion to provide
help. ~

One thing I have not tried is to remove the NIC driver or the modem
driver from Device Manager. As these are hardware drivers I assumed that
removing them would have no effect on winipcfg seeing only one adapter
at a time. What do you think, should I also remove these drivers from
Device Manager along with removing Dialup Networking too? Perhaps you
are in agreement with this and I have not understood you, if so then my
bad.

The confusion arises because Networking in Control Panel allows the
removal / installation of adapters (dialup and network) without
indicating if these are hardware drivers or just network components. I
had always assumed that they aren't hardware drivers.

I note that when I remove the dialup adapter from Network in Control
Panel, Plug & Play does not ask for a driver disk when rebooting however
when I remove the NIC driver it does ask for a driver disk on reboot.
This seems inconsistent to me. I suppose it's possible the modem is not
Plug & Play but that doesn't explain why the hardware drivers for both
devices are still present in Device Manager even after they have been
removed from Network in Control Panel.

I have not taken any action since I made my OP as I wanted to hear your
opinion before proceeding. Thank you for your assistance.

--
Mark

I agree, you need to remove from both Network AND Devices. Removing from
Network does not address the appaarent error completely.
Reinstall the modem first [make sure you have downloaded the driver for it
first].
Once you go through the *setup previously defined*, THEN install the NIC.
Check the BIOS to make sure you have the Ports and other assignments set
correctly.

You MUST remove them both from Control Panel System or the error will not
be removed. Apparently you have an addressing and/or IRQ error. Check your
BIOS for any netwok adapter settings [if applicable] also. You may need to
also check autoexec.bat, win.ini, and system.ini for any modem and/or NIC
settings.

Here MAY be an issue, depending upon your ISP, you may not be allowed
multiple client connections. AOL was known for this, and so are many others.
AOL 7.0 had a networking setup [shared connection] which you had to MANUALLY
install and setup [not easy, not supported, and not told to AOL users], 9.0
doesn't. 9.? will allow [if high speed account] one high speed broad-band
and one phoneline connection at the same time. Phone accounts are single use
unless a business account.

Another is, you're not exactly clear one whether you fresh installed after
the previous failed attempts with the old board, if not you have multiple
registry entries which will cause conflict. Safe Mode MIGHT find most of
them, however, the registry will still contain numerous "no longer relevent"
settings.

--
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--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The *REAL WORLD* of Law, Justice, and Government
_______

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"MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in
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I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC connected
by a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are connected to the
phone line (no ICS).

On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either
find the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending on
which one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails to find
any of the three PC's in my network. Ping can find internet addresses
when I'm connected to my ISP.

In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols,
services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in different
ways but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one adapter at a
time. If I install the dial up adapter first then it is visible in
winipcfg. If I install the onboard NIC first then it will be visible
in winipcfg.

Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter first
then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC first then
I can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect to my ISP the
modem will dial and try to connect to the ISP and then report that my
username or password are invalid (I know my UN and PW are correct).
Regardless of which adapter I install first my peer to peer network
still works fine.

I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I
reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some settings
are still intact such as shares, PC name, network name, file sharing,
printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me think that even
though I have completely uninstalled networking there is still
something which is not being deleted that should be and this is
what's causing the problem I see with winipcfg (and possibly ping).

IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The
first MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem I
had tried to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with no
success. After replacing the MOBO I was able to install and configure
the PC with no problems (I thought).

At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall
Windows. My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would
rather not reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm
hoping someone can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for
your help.

The normal fixes would be similar to what you have already used.
However:

1. Run though the removals one more time [Network adapter, DUN, etc.],
FIRST make sure you have deleted any DUN setup adapters, network
adapters, AND removed any settings *in your browsers* for connections.
Boot to Safe Mode and remove any ghosted devices or residuals. See the
NOTE below.

2. Boot twice normally however install NOTHING, just cancel when
hardware found. Save the registry [from Run scanregw].

3. Boot for the third time, install your modem first IF you have one,
then DUN, NOTE DUN was updated and you MUST install the updated
version. Check on Microsoft for the DUN98 update.
Reboot, do not install network adapter. Go to My Computer Dialup
Networking and check for setup.

4. Restart normally and install the network adapter, reboot, Check
Network in Control Panel for the adapter AND that Microsoft Network
client has been installed, if not install, AND TCP/IP. IF you had to
install the client OR the protocol, reboot, return to Network and
check that both the modem AND the adapter have TCP/IP installed as the
DEFAULT protocol, and both receive DNS and IP dynamically.

Re-check the browsers for connection settings.

NOTE: We have repeatedly discussed complete removals of DUN and
adapter settings, related registry areas, and other in these forums.
Check this group and win98.gen_discussion via Google groups for these
settings and removals before you get more frustrated. You will also
find more people in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion to provide
help. ~

One thing I have not tried is to remove the NIC driver or the modem
driver from Device Manager. As these are hardware drivers I assumed that
removing them would have no effect on winipcfg seeing only one adapter
at a time. What do you think, should I also remove these drivers from
Device Manager along with removing Dialup Networking too? Perhaps you
are in agreement with this and I have not understood you, if so then my
bad.

The confusion arises because Networking in Control Panel allows the
removal / installation of adapters (dialup and network) without
indicating if these are hardware drivers or just network components. I
had always assumed that they aren't hardware drivers.

I note that when I remove the dialup adapter from Network in Control
Panel, Plug & Play does not ask for a driver disk when rebooting however
when I remove the NIC driver it does ask for a driver disk on reboot.
This seems inconsistent to me. I suppose it's possible the modem is not
Plug & Play but that doesn't explain why the hardware drivers for both
devices are still present in Device Manager even after they have been
removed from Network in Control Panel.

I have not taken any action since I made my OP as I wanted to hear your
opinion before proceeding. Thank you for your assistance.

--
Mark

I agree, you need to remove from both Network AND Devices. Removing from
Network does not address the appaarent error completely.
Reinstall the modem first [make sure you have downloaded the driver for it
first].
Once you go through the *setup previously defined*, THEN install the NIC.
Check the BIOS to make sure you have the Ports and other assignments set
correctly.

You MUST remove them both from Control Panel System or the error will not
be removed. Apparently you have an addressing and/or IRQ error. Check your
BIOS for any netwok adapter settings [if applicable] also. You may need to
also check autoexec.bat, win.ini, and system.ini for any modem and/or NIC
settings.

Here MAY be an issue, depending upon your ISP, you may not be allowed
multiple client connections. AOL was known for this, and so are many others.
AOL 7.0 had a networking setup [shared connection] which you had to MANUALLY
install and setup [not easy, not supported, and not told to AOL users], 9.0
doesn't. 9.? will allow [if high speed account] one high speed broad-band
and one phoneline connection at the same time. Phone accounts are single use
unless a business account.

Another is, you're not exactly clear one whether you fresh installed after
the previous failed attempts with the old board, if not you have multiple
registry entries which will cause conflict. Safe Mode MIGHT find most of
them, however, the registry will still contain numerous "no longer relevent"
settings.

--
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http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
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I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC
connected by a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are
connected to the phone line (no ICS).

On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either
find the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending
on which one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails
to find any of the three PC's in my network. Ping can find
internet addresses when I'm connected to my ISP.

In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols,
services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in
different ways but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one
adapter at a time. If I install the dial up adapter first then it
is visible in winipcfg. If I install the onboard NIC first then it
will be visible in winipcfg.

Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter
first then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC
first then I can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect
to my ISP the modem will dial and try to connect to the ISP and
then report that my username or password are invalid (I know my UN
and PW are correct). Regardless of which adapter I install first
my peer to peer network still works fine.

I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I
reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some
settings are still intact such as shares, PC name, network name,
file sharing, printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me
think that even though I have completely uninstalled networking
there is still something which is not being deleted that should be
and this is what's causing the problem I see with winipcfg (and
possibly ping).

IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The
first MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem
I had tried to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with
no success. After replacing the MOBO I was able to install and
configure the PC with no problems (I thought).

At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall
Windows. My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would
rather not reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm
hoping someone can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for
your help.

The normal fixes would be similar to what you have already used.
However:

1. Run though the removals one more time [Network adapter, DUN,
etc.], FIRST make sure you have deleted any DUN setup adapters,
network adapters, AND removed any settings *in your browsers* for
connections. Boot to Safe Mode and remove any ghosted devices or
residuals. See the NOTE below.

2. Boot twice normally however install NOTHING, just cancel when
hardware found. Save the registry [from Run scanregw].

3. Boot for the third time, install your modem first IF you have
one, then DUN, NOTE DUN was updated and you MUST install the
updated version. Check on Microsoft for the DUN98 update.
Reboot, do not install network adapter. Go to My Computer Dialup
Networking and check for setup.

4. Restart normally and install the network adapter, reboot,
Check Network in Control Panel for the adapter AND that Microsoft
Network client has been installed, if not install, AND TCP/IP. IF
you had to install the client OR the protocol, reboot, return to
Network and check that both the modem AND the adapter have TCP/IP
installed as the DEFAULT protocol, and both receive DNS and IP
dynamically.

Re-check the browsers for connection settings.

NOTE: We have repeatedly discussed complete removals of DUN and
adapter settings, related registry areas, and other in these
forums. Check this group and win98.gen_discussion via Google groups
for these settings and removals before you get more frustrated. You
will also find more people in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
to provide help. ~

One thing I have not tried is to remove the NIC driver or the modem
driver from Device Manager. As these are hardware drivers I assumed
that removing them would have no effect on winipcfg seeing only one
adapter at a time. What do you think, should I also remove these
drivers from Device Manager along with removing Dialup Networking
too? Perhaps you are in agreement with this and I have not understood
you, if so then my bad.

The confusion arises because Networking in Control Panel allows the
removal / installation of adapters (dialup and network) without
indicating if these are hardware drivers or just network components.
I had always assumed that they aren't hardware drivers.

I note that when I remove the dialup adapter from Network in Control
Panel, Plug & Play does not ask for a driver disk when rebooting
however when I remove the NIC driver it does ask for a driver disk on
reboot. This seems inconsistent to me. I suppose it's possible the
modem is not Plug & Play but that doesn't explain why the hardware
drivers for both devices are still present in Device Manager even
after they have been removed from Network in Control Panel.

I have not taken any action since I made my OP as I wanted to hear
your opinion before proceeding. Thank you for your assistance.

I agree, you need to remove from both Network AND Devices. Removing
from Network does not address the appaarent error completely.
Reinstall the modem first [make sure you have downloaded the driver
for it first]. Once you go through the *setup previously defined*,
THEN install the NIC. Check the BIOS to make sure you have the Ports
and other assignments set correctly.

You MUST remove them both from Control Panel System or the error
will not be removed.

I understand. I should have tried this before but it just never occurred
to me.

Apparently you have an addressing and/or IRQ error. Check your BIOS
for any netwok adapter settings [if applicable] also. You may need to
also check autoexec.bat, win.ini, and system.ini for any modem and/or
NIC settings.

See below. I checked this.

Here MAY be an issue, depending upon your ISP, you may not be allowed
multiple client connections. AOL was known for this, and so are many
others. AOL 7.0 had a networking setup [shared connection] which you
had to MANUALLY install and setup [not easy, not supported, and not
told to AOL users], 9.0 doesn't. 9.? will allow [if high speed
account] one high speed broad-band and one phoneline connection at the
same time. Phone accounts are single use unless a business account.

This is not a problem for me with my dialup ISP.

Another is, you're not exactly clear one whether you fresh installed
after the previous failed attempts with the old board, if not you have
multiple registry entries which will cause conflict. Safe Mode MIGHT
find most of them, however, the registry will still contain numerous
"no longer relevent" settings.

IIRC I did not reinstall the OS after replacing the MOBO. By then I had
my fill of reinstalling. I was so relieved to have my hardware working I
decided to move on to installing my software and personal files. I
didn't want to make this my life's work. I had already spent a
considerable amount of time diagnosing / repairing the the MOBO.

The PC I'm working on is one of two identical machines I built last
winter. This provides me a unique opportunity to make diagnoses based on
comparisons between them. I have compared the IRQ / resources on both
and they are identical for the modem and NIC on both PC's. The BIOS was
replaced with the replacement of the MOBO so that's not the problem
either.

The only thing I can find that's different between the two PC's are some
registry entries concerning the NIC and networking. The problem PC seems
to be missing some values. I have considered exporting the same registry
entries from the healthy PC and importing them on the problem PC. I'm
not sure if I should first delete these entries and then import them or
if I can just import them and have them overwrite the existing entries.
I don't edit the registry very often and I can't remember which is the
proper procedure. I'll do a search and find out. Thanks.

--
Mark

"MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in
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"MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in
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wrote in message
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I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC
connected by a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are
connected to the phone line (no ICS).

On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either
find the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending
on which one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails
to find any of the three PC's in my network. Ping can find
internet addresses when I'm connected to my ISP.

In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols,
services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in
different ways but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one
adapter at a time. If I install the dial up adapter first then it
is visible in winipcfg. If I install the onboard NIC first then it
will be visible in winipcfg.

Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter
first then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC
first then I can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect
to my ISP the modem will dial and try to connect to the ISP and
then report that my username or password are invalid (I know my UN
and PW are correct). Regardless of which adapter I install first
my peer to peer network still works fine.

I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I
reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some
settings are still intact such as shares, PC name, network name,
file sharing, printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me
think that even though I have completely uninstalled networking
there is still something which is not being deleted that should be
and this is what's causing the problem I see with winipcfg (and
possibly ping).

IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The
first MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem
I had tried to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with
no success. After replacing the MOBO I was able to install and
configure the PC with no problems (I thought).

At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall
Windows. My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would
rather not reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm
hoping someone can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for
your help.

The normal fixes would be similar to what you have already used.
However:

1. Run though the removals one more time [Network adapter, DUN,
etc.], FIRST make sure you have deleted any DUN setup adapters,
network adapters, AND removed any settings *in your browsers* for
connections. Boot to Safe Mode and remove any ghosted devices or
residuals. See the NOTE below.

2. Boot twice normally however install NOTHING, just cancel when
hardware found. Save the registry [from Run scanregw].

3. Boot for the third time, install your modem first IF you have
one, then DUN, NOTE DUN was updated and you MUST install the
updated version. Check on Microsoft for the DUN98 update.
Reboot, do not install network adapter. Go to My Computer Dialup
Networking and check for setup.

4. Restart normally and install the network adapter, reboot,
Check Network in Control Panel for the adapter AND that Microsoft
Network client has been installed, if not install, AND TCP/IP. IF
you had to install the client OR the protocol, reboot, return to
Network and check that both the modem AND the adapter have TCP/IP
installed as the DEFAULT protocol, and both receive DNS and IP
dynamically.

Re-check the browsers for connection settings.

NOTE: We have repeatedly discussed complete removals of DUN and
adapter settings, related registry areas, and other in these
forums. Check this group and win98.gen_discussion via Google groups
for these settings and removals before you get more frustrated. You
will also find more people in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
to provide help. ~

One thing I have not tried is to remove the NIC driver or the modem
driver from Device Manager. As these are hardware drivers I assumed
that removing them would have no effect on winipcfg seeing only one
adapter at a time. What do you think, should I also remove these
drivers from Device Manager along with removing Dialup Networking
too? Perhaps you are in agreement with this and I have not understood
you, if so then my bad.

The confusion arises because Networking in Control Panel allows the
removal / installation of adapters (dialup and network) without
indicating if these are hardware drivers or just network components.
I had always assumed that they aren't hardware drivers.

I note that when I remove the dialup adapter from Network in Control
Panel, Plug & Play does not ask for a driver disk when rebooting
however when I remove the NIC driver it does ask for a driver disk on
reboot. This seems inconsistent to me. I suppose it's possible the
modem is not Plug & Play but that doesn't explain why the hardware
drivers for both devices are still present in Device Manager even
after they have been removed from Network in Control Panel.

I have not taken any action since I made my OP as I wanted to hear
your opinion before proceeding. Thank you for your assistance.

I agree, you need to remove from both Network AND Devices. Removing
from Network does not address the appaarent error completely.
Reinstall the modem first [make sure you have downloaded the driver
for it first]. Once you go through the *setup previously defined*,
THEN install the NIC. Check the BIOS to make sure you have the Ports
and other assignments set correctly.

You MUST remove them both from Control Panel System or the error
will not be removed.

I understand. I should have tried this before but it just never occurred
to me.

Apparently you have an addressing and/or IRQ error. Check your BIOS
for any netwok adapter settings [if applicable] also. You may need to
also check autoexec.bat, win.ini, and system.ini for any modem and/or
NIC settings.

See below. I checked this.

Here MAY be an issue, depending upon your ISP, you may not be allowed
multiple client connections. AOL was known for this, and so are many
others. AOL 7.0 had a networking setup [shared connection] which you
had to MANUALLY install and setup [not easy, not supported, and not
told to AOL users], 9.0 doesn't. 9.? will allow [if high speed
account] one high speed broad-band and one phoneline connection at the
same time. Phone accounts are single use unless a business account.

This is not a problem for me with my dialup ISP.

Another is, you're not exactly clear one whether you fresh installed
after the previous failed attempts with the old board, if not you have
multiple registry entries which will cause conflict. Safe Mode MIGHT
find most of them, however, the registry will still contain numerous
"no longer relevent" settings.

IIRC I did not reinstall the OS after replacing the MOBO. By then I had
my fill of reinstalling. I was so relieved to have my hardware working I
decided to move on to installing my software and personal files. I
didn't want to make this my life's work. I had already spent a
considerable amount of time diagnosing / repairing the the MOBO.

The PC I'm working on is one of two identical machines I built last
winter. This provides me a unique opportunity to make diagnoses based on
comparisons between them. I have compared the IRQ / resources on both
and they are identical for the modem and NIC on both PC's. The BIOS was
replaced with the replacement of the MOBO so that's not the problem
either.

The only thing I can find that's different between the two PC's are some
registry entries concerning the NIC and networking. The problem PC seems
to be missing some values. I have considered exporting the same registry
entries from the healthy PC and importing them on the problem PC. I'm
not sure if I should first delete these entries and then import them or
if I can just import them and have them overwrite the existing entries.
I don't edit the registry very often and I can't remember which is the
proper procedure. I'll do a search and find out. Thanks.

--
Mark

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"MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in
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"MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in
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wrote in message
net...
I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC
connected by a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are
connected to the phone line (no ICS).

On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either
find the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending
on which one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails
to find any of the three PC's in my network. Ping can find
internet addresses when I'm connected to my ISP.

In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols,
services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in
different ways but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one
adapter at a time. If I install the dial up adapter first then it
is visible in winipcfg. If I install the onboard NIC first then it
will be visible in winipcfg.

Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter
first then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC
first then I can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect
to my ISP the modem will dial and try to connect to the ISP and
then report that my username or password are invalid (I know my UN
and PW are correct). Regardless of which adapter I install first
my peer to peer network still works fine.

I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I
reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some
settings are still intact such as shares, PC name, network name,
file sharing, printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me
think that even though I have completely uninstalled networking
there is still something which is not being deleted that should be
and this is what's causing the problem I see with winipcfg (and
possibly ping).

IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The
first MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem
I had tried to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with
no success. After replacing the MOBO I was able to install and
configure the PC with no problems (I thought).

At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall
Windows. My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would
rather not reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm
hoping someone can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for
your help.

The normal fixes would be similar to what you have already used.
However:

1. Run though the removals one more time [Network adapter, DUN,
etc.], FIRST make sure you have deleted any DUN setup adapters,
network adapters, AND removed any settings *in your browsers* for
connections. Boot to Safe Mode and remove any ghosted devices or
residuals. See the NOTE below.

2. Boot twice normally however install NOTHING, just cancel when
hardware found. Save the registry [from Run scanregw].

3. Boot for the third time, install your modem first IF you have
one, then DUN, NOTE DUN was updated and you MUST install the
updated version. Check on Microsoft for the DUN98 update.
Reboot, do not install network adapter. Go to My Computer Dialup
Networking and check for setup.

4. Restart normally and install the network adapter, reboot,
Check Network in Control Panel for the adapter AND that Microsoft
Network client has been installed, if not install, AND TCP/IP. IF
you had to install the client OR the protocol, reboot, return to
Network and check that both the modem AND the adapter have TCP/IP
installed as the DEFAULT protocol, and both receive DNS and IP
dynamically.

Re-check the browsers for connection settings.

NOTE: We have repeatedly discussed complete removals of DUN and
adapter settings, related registry areas, and other in these
forums. Check this group and win98.gen_discussion via Google groups
for these settings and removals before you get more frustrated. You
will also find more people in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
to provide help. ~

One thing I have not tried is to remove the NIC driver or the modem
driver from Device Manager. As these are hardware drivers I assumed
that removing them would have no effect on winipcfg seeing only one
adapter at a time. What do you think, should I also remove these
drivers from Device Manager along with removing Dialup Networking
too? Perhaps you are in agreement with this and I have not understood
you, if so then my bad.

The confusion arises because Networking in Control Panel allows the
removal / installation of adapters (dialup and network) without
indicating if these are hardware drivers or just network components.
I had always assumed that they aren't hardware drivers.

I note that when I remove the dialup adapter from Network in Control
Panel, Plug & Play does not ask for a driver disk when rebooting
however when I remove the NIC driver it does ask for a driver disk on
reboot. This seems inconsistent to me. I suppose it's possible the
modem is not Plug & Play but that doesn't explain why the hardware
drivers for both devices are still present in Device Manager even
after they have been removed from Network in Control Panel.

I have not taken any action since I made my OP as I wanted to hear
your opinion before proceeding. Thank you for your assistance.

I agree, you need to remove from both Network AND Devices. Removing
from Network does not address the appaarent error completely.
Reinstall the modem first [make sure you have downloaded the driver
for it first]. Once you go through the *setup previously defined*,
THEN install the NIC. Check the BIOS to make sure you have the Ports
and other assignments set correctly.

You MUST remove them both from Control Panel System or the error
will not be removed.

I understand. I should have tried this before but it just never occurred
to me.

Apparently you have an addressing and/or IRQ error. Check your BIOS
for any netwok adapter settings [if applicable] also. You may need to
also check autoexec.bat, win.ini, and system.ini for any modem and/or
NIC settings.

See below. I checked this.

Here MAY be an issue, depending upon your ISP, you may not be allowed
multiple client connections. AOL was known for this, and so are many
others. AOL 7.0 had a networking setup [shared connection] which you
had to MANUALLY install and setup [not easy, not supported, and not
told to AOL users], 9.0 doesn't. 9.? will allow [if high speed
account] one high speed broad-band and one phoneline connection at the
same time. Phone accounts are single use unless a business account.

This is not a problem for me with my dialup ISP.

Another is, you're not exactly clear one whether you fresh installed
after the previous failed attempts with the old board, if not you have
multiple registry entries which will cause conflict. Safe Mode MIGHT
find most of them, however, the registry will still contain numerous
"no longer relevent" settings.

IIRC I did not reinstall the OS after replacing the MOBO. By then I had
my fill of reinstalling. I was so relieved to have my hardware working I
decided to move on to installing my software and personal files. I
didn't want to make this my life's work. I had already spent a
considerable amount of time diagnosing / repairing the the MOBO.

The PC I'm working on is one of two identical machines I built last
winter. This provides me a unique opportunity to make diagnoses based on
comparisons between them. I have compared the IRQ / resources on both
and they are identical for the modem and NIC on both PC's. The BIOS was
replaced with the replacement of the MOBO so that's not the problem
either.

The only thing I can find that's different between the two PC's are some
registry entries concerning the NIC and networking. The problem PC seems
to be missing some values. I have considered exporting the same registry
entries from the healthy PC and importing them on the problem PC. I'm
not sure if I should first delete these entries and then import them or
if I can just import them and have them overwrite the existing entries.
I don't edit the registry very often and I can't remember which is the
proper procedure. I'll do a search and find out. Thanks.

--
Mark

Ah, now that brings a unique ability. Using the same "roll-out" technique
used by IT/other in the business world and computer sales.

IF and only IF both systems are EXACTLY alike [as you indicate], clone the
good disk to the problem system.
Pick your favorite imaging/other software and transfer the entire setup to
the problem computer.
Unlike the NT environments, in 9X there are no individual numbering/unique
identifying assignments to EACH system, disk and adapters and peripherals
[which can be over-come in NT by certain types of base installs]...

After installing the image, run Scandisk [DOS mode {unless using a large
disk}, to reset the disk], start in Safe Mode [to allow minor automatic
adjustments in the registry and rebuild the basic swap]; then boot to normal
mode.

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MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The *REAL WORLD* of Law, Justice, and Government
_______