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  #21  
Old August 17th 08, 09:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.win95.general.discussion,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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Default problems apparently with rundll32 when loading drivers

"...after installing a new, breed of 98Lite." You really need to fix that
Subject.

Here's the most positive advice I can give you. If you have problems with
that cross-bred child of Windows and Linux, you not only do yourself a
disservice by not dealing with them in a forum dedicated to the topic, you
also do a great disservice to the average Joe or Jane who goes searching for
procedures for their stock Windows 98 machines and happens onto this thread
half way through, sees the subject, sees a bunch of procedures that appear
to apply to his situation, and which (with any luck) do end up working for
you, but which don't apply to his machine in the slightest and which in fact
do his system a great deal of harm.

The least you could do, if you're going to *hijack* a newsgroup like this,
would be to make it clear what you're talking about in the Subject.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
With apologies for the repost - one positive outcome of the first one was
that I discovered that what I thought was a valid cut-and-paste wasn't:
for some reason the two surviving newsgroups have slightly different
punctuations in their name.

(Positive suggestions only, please - the details of my problem have been
lost in the heat on the other thread, and please post to that one if your
only contribution is to say I'm in the wrong place!)

In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
writes
'95 'group included as I use the '95 shell, via 98lite "Sleek" option.

I recently had a play with soporific's UBCD, a. k. a. "Windows 98, 10th
anniversary edition". I think a vast amount of work has gone into it, and
when installed from scratch as I did on a laptop for a friend, it worked
well (including the universal USB driver).

However, as with many such things, trying to install over an existing
system (even though it does include an option to do so) is more
problematical.

Anyway: I've finally got my original system back, due to use of some ERDs
from before I tried it, with one exception (that I know so far, anyway):
it initially manifested as the sound, but I think is more fundamental.

My sound isn't working. I've obtained the drivers from the manufacturer
(A??? motherboard; "Realtek AC'97 Audio"), since I couldn't find the mobo
CD.

Device Manager shows it, with a black-on-yellow "!". Properties shows
under Device status "The NTKERN.VXD, MMDEVLDR.VXD device loader(s) for
this device could not load the device driver. (Code 2.)\\To Fix this,
click Update Driver to update the device driver." When I do, I get the
usual wizard. Whether I let this look for the right driver (they're sort
of in place, the install software having done its stuff to that extent, or
I unzipped something, I can't remember) or I tell it where to look, I get
to the "Please wait while Windows searches ...", then I get a -
old-fashioned style, no close button - window in screen middle that says
"Rundll32\\An error has occurred in your program. To keep working
anyway..." and Close and Ignore buttons. If I click Ignore, nothing
happens; Close brings up a (Windows style this time) "This program has
performed an illegal ..." with Close and Details buttons. If I close
this, all windows (back to and including Device Manger) disappear.

If I remove the Realtek from Device Manager and restart, I get found new
hardware, with various windows appearing as normal, then it locks up (I
can't remember with what error message): if I Ctrl-alt-Del at that point,
I can get back to a blank desktop (no icons or taskbar, just a mouse
pointer). The only way out of that (it happens again if I restart) is to
use the old ERD again.

My Rundll32 file is fine (I never suspected it anyway, as it usually gets
"blamed" when something else goes wrong, but I have checked it).

I get something similar when trying to install another piece of hardware
(a microscope - i. e. basically a camera - and I am doing it according to
the instructions, i. e. drivers before connecting): _something_ crashes,
at the point after it's "found" the new hardware and is doing whatever it
does next at that point.

Any suggestions what is wrong and how to fix it? (Getting sound back would
be a start, but I suspect that needs the problem solving anyway.)

[It may not be UBCD that screwed things up, but I know at least one poster
who will think it did ... (-:]


--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985
MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on
PCs. **

"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing
on my
shoulders."
Newton [deliberately] misquoted by Hal Ableson, then quoted by chris
harrison.



  #22  
Old August 17th 08, 01:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.win95.general.discussion,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance
Dan
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Default problems apparently with rundll32 when loading drivers

snipped for length concerns

I would install a clean, full version of Windows 98 Second Edition which you
can fully update to date of July 11, 2006 as per end of support date for 98
Second Edition. There are full copies on Ebay that range from around $50-$75
for an os which is really cheap and 98 Second Edition really does have that
internal safety of dos as its maintenance operating system.
My opinion is that Microsoft chose the wrong development path when choosing
NT over 9x and I hope the new source code Microsoft develops is awesome and
combines the best of 9x and its maintenance operating system of dos with a
new advanced underlying maintenance operating system of NT, with the external
security of Vista and totally redefines computing in a complex and less
toy-like manner of recent operating systems.
You can mitigate risks such as to Internet Explorer by using the latest
version of Mozilla Firefox, tools such as SpywareBlaster which imo is awesome
and my favorite blocking tool for undesirables that try to get onto your
system, read in plain text and block external remote code including html,
have a router with the proper defensive measures for external security, etc.
  #23  
Old August 17th 08, 01:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.win95.general.discussion,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance
Dan
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Posts: 1,089
Default problems apparently with rundll32 when loading drivers

snipped for length concerns

I would install a clean, full version of Windows 98 Second Edition which you
can fully update to date of July 11, 2006 as per end of support date for 98
Second Edition. There are full copies on Ebay that range from around $50-$75
for an os which is really cheap and 98 Second Edition really does have that
internal safety of dos as its maintenance operating system.
My opinion is that Microsoft chose the wrong development path when choosing
NT over 9x and I hope the new source code Microsoft develops is awesome and
combines the best of 9x and its maintenance operating system of dos with a
new advanced underlying maintenance operating system of NT, with the external
security of Vista and totally redefines computing in a complex and less
toy-like manner of recent operating systems.
You can mitigate risks such as to Internet Explorer by using the latest
version of Mozilla Firefox, tools such as SpywareBlaster which imo is awesome
and my favorite blocking tool for undesirables that try to get onto your
system, read in plain text and block external remote code including html,
have a router with the proper defensive measures for external security, etc.
  #24  
Old August 17th 08, 04:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.win95.general.discussion,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Default problems apparently with rundll32 when loading drivers

In message , MEB
writes
Try using Safe Mode to remove ALL old drivers [any sound or problem
devices].

Look at the installation files in the folder from which you installed the
purported driver [look at the inf{s}], make note of registry entries created
and where files were placed and names.
Run regedit, search for the RealTek entries and remove - search the INF
folder for the Realtek INF{s} and delete - remove all files that were
installed as shown by the install INFs.


Thanks; this is the sort of help I was after, of course.

However, I don't think it is the driver as such that is faulty; the odd
behaviour seems to happen at some point during the loading process -
and, I get something not dissimilar when attempting to load something
entirely different (a microscope, which is in effect a webcam). I don't
think it is the driver(s) as such, nor the rundll32 file.

LOCATE a better driver... check to ensure the card is properly seated,
install the new driver....

When using an unofficial updater its usually best to install devices
[except USB/Firewire] and applications PRIOR to installing/updating with the
compilation.

[]
I have no option in this case anyway, as the hardware is the mobo's
built-in sound hardware. (And I don't _think_ there was a link to
disable it.) If I remove (the software/driver) from Device Manager and
reboot, it does the found new hardware bit, but then crashes
irretrievably while trying to load the drivers (which I've located from
the motherboard's website). If I do it without rebooting, it still
crashes, but I can get control back (I just accept a few error boxes and
it is back as it was, just still with no sound).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders."
Newton [deliberately] misquoted by Hal Ableson, then quoted by chris harrison.
  #25  
Old August 17th 08, 04:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.win95.general.discussion,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance
J. P. Gilliver (John)
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,554
Default problems apparently with rundll32 when loading drivers

In message , MEB
writes
Try using Safe Mode to remove ALL old drivers [any sound or problem
devices].

Look at the installation files in the folder from which you installed the
purported driver [look at the inf{s}], make note of registry entries created
and where files were placed and names.
Run regedit, search for the RealTek entries and remove - search the INF
folder for the Realtek INF{s} and delete - remove all files that were
installed as shown by the install INFs.


Thanks; this is the sort of help I was after, of course.

However, I don't think it is the driver as such that is faulty; the odd
behaviour seems to happen at some point during the loading process -
and, I get something not dissimilar when attempting to load something
entirely different (a microscope, which is in effect a webcam). I don't
think it is the driver(s) as such, nor the rundll32 file.

LOCATE a better driver... check to ensure the card is properly seated,
install the new driver....

When using an unofficial updater its usually best to install devices
[except USB/Firewire] and applications PRIOR to installing/updating with the
compilation.

[]
I have no option in this case anyway, as the hardware is the mobo's
built-in sound hardware. (And I don't _think_ there was a link to
disable it.) If I remove (the software/driver) from Device Manager and
reboot, it does the found new hardware bit, but then crashes
irretrievably while trying to load the drivers (which I've located from
the motherboard's website). If I do it without rebooting, it still
crashes, but I can get control back (I just accept a few error boxes and
it is back as it was, just still with no sound).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders."
Newton [deliberately] misquoted by Hal Ableson, then quoted by chris harrison.
  #26  
Old August 17th 08, 04:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.win95.general.discussion,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Default problems apparently with rundll32 when loading drivers

In message , Gary S. Terhune
writes
"...after installing a new, breed of 98Lite." You really need to fix that
Subject.


Well, I'm _not_ convinced that 98lite it the cause of the problem (I
have tried reverting to the full '98 shell to see, in fact); I didn't
specifically put it in the subject because of this - I feel doing so may
make people who may have a solution ignore the thread.

Here's the most positive advice I can give you. If you have problems with
that cross-bred child of Windows and Linux, you not only do yourself a


Interesting - does 98lite have something to do with Linux then? (I ask
with no baggage: I'm just genuinely interested.)

disservice by not dealing with them in a forum dedicated to the topic, you


Hmm, I was unaware there were any, but I've done a search after your
post, and I see that both of the newsservers I use actually include
fido7.su.f98lite, which I have now subscribed to; I suspect the "su"
means it'll be in Finnish (which I don't speak), but I'll report back.

also do a great disservice to the average Joe or Jane who goes searching for
procedures for their stock Windows 98 machines and happens onto this thread
half way through, sees the subject, sees a bunch of procedures that appear
to apply to his situation, and which (with any luck) do end up working for
you, but which don't apply to his machine in the slightest and which in fact
do his system a great deal of harm.


I take your point; I'll endeavour to ensure that some mention of 98lite
remains in the body of any post I put into the thread. (Though I still
maintain that it's not the cause of the problem; the problem did not
exist - on a machine that had been running 98lite for years - until I
tried something of soporific's. Now while I don't fully share your views
on _that_ either, I do agree that it was a dangerous thing to do without
more knowledge than I have, and am hoping to find out what it broke.)

The least you could do, if you're going to *hijack* a newsgroup like this,
would be to make it clear what you're talking about in the Subject.

Well, I'll try to keep some warning in the body. I'm not "hijacking the
newsgroup".
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders."
Newton [deliberately] misquoted by Hal Ableson, then quoted by chris harrison.
  #27  
Old August 17th 08, 04:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.win95.general.discussion,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Posts: 1,554
Default problems apparently with rundll32 when loading drivers

In message , Gary S. Terhune
writes
"...after installing a new, breed of 98Lite." You really need to fix that
Subject.


Well, I'm _not_ convinced that 98lite it the cause of the problem (I
have tried reverting to the full '98 shell to see, in fact); I didn't
specifically put it in the subject because of this - I feel doing so may
make people who may have a solution ignore the thread.

Here's the most positive advice I can give you. If you have problems with
that cross-bred child of Windows and Linux, you not only do yourself a


Interesting - does 98lite have something to do with Linux then? (I ask
with no baggage: I'm just genuinely interested.)

disservice by not dealing with them in a forum dedicated to the topic, you


Hmm, I was unaware there were any, but I've done a search after your
post, and I see that both of the newsservers I use actually include
fido7.su.f98lite, which I have now subscribed to; I suspect the "su"
means it'll be in Finnish (which I don't speak), but I'll report back.

also do a great disservice to the average Joe or Jane who goes searching for
procedures for their stock Windows 98 machines and happens onto this thread
half way through, sees the subject, sees a bunch of procedures that appear
to apply to his situation, and which (with any luck) do end up working for
you, but which don't apply to his machine in the slightest and which in fact
do his system a great deal of harm.


I take your point; I'll endeavour to ensure that some mention of 98lite
remains in the body of any post I put into the thread. (Though I still
maintain that it's not the cause of the problem; the problem did not
exist - on a machine that had been running 98lite for years - until I
tried something of soporific's. Now while I don't fully share your views
on _that_ either, I do agree that it was a dangerous thing to do without
more knowledge than I have, and am hoping to find out what it broke.)

The least you could do, if you're going to *hijack* a newsgroup like this,
would be to make it clear what you're talking about in the Subject.

Well, I'll try to keep some warning in the body. I'm not "hijacking the
newsgroup".
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders."
Newton [deliberately] misquoted by Hal Ableson, then quoted by chris harrison.
  #28  
Old August 17th 08, 04:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.win95.general.discussion,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Default problems apparently with rundll32 when loading drivers

In message , Dan
writes
snipped for length concerns

I would install a clean, full version of Windows 98 Second Edition which you
can fully update to date of July 11, 2006 as per end of support date for 98
Second Edition. There are full copies on Ebay that range from around $50-$75
for an os which is really cheap and 98 Second Edition really does have that
internal safety of dos as its maintenance operating system.


I have a full 98SE (which I paid for), should I need to go that route -
though I am beginning to feel that, if I was to consider going for a
full install (by "clean" I assume you mean formatting), I'd probably go
for XP anyway. I really don't want to do that (98 or XP) though, as the
system has been built up over _years_, and I don't even _know_ (at the
very least, I don't remember - in some cases I suspect I really don't
know) some of how it got to how it is, so reinstalling everything would
be not only time-consuming but frustrating.

My opinion is that Microsoft chose the wrong development path when choosing
NT over 9x and I hope the new source code Microsoft develops is awesome and


Mine too, but we're not going to change them. Also, we're in a minority,
at least as far as the disc system is concerned.

combines the best of 9x and its maintenance operating system of dos with a
new advanced underlying maintenance operating system of NT, with the external
security of Vista and totally redefines computing in a complex and less
toy-like manner of recent operating systems.


I think the *x people are calling you ... (-: [it certainly won't happen
in Windows )-:]

You can mitigate risks such as to Internet Explorer by using the latest
version of Mozilla Firefox, tools such as SpywareBlaster which imo is awesome


I do (or will one of these days - I'm using Netscape 7.2 ATM)

and my favorite blocking tool for undesirables that try to get onto your
system, read in plain text and block external remote code including html,


I read in a reader (Turnpike) that doesn't follow any scripts or
similar, I control Java and Javascript ... haven't had a virus in
decades, AFAIK ...

have a router with the proper defensive measures for external security, etc.

Yup.

I think that what has broken my system is not malware as such, just
something in soporific's UBCD (or, as he would point out, one of the
constituent parts to which all he's done is provide a wrapper), which
has changed/deleted/altered some file and/or setting in a way which has
had unforeseen consequences (basically something goes wrong when it's
trying to _load_ drivers). I'm just hoping someone has seen something
similar before and knows what has been broken. (Ideally someone using
98lite, but I don't want to exclude suggestions from anyone.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders."
Newton [deliberately] misquoted by Hal Ableson, then quoted by chris harrison.
  #29  
Old August 17th 08, 04:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.win95.general.discussion,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Posts: 1,554
Default problems apparently with rundll32 when loading drivers

In message , Dan
writes
snipped for length concerns

I would install a clean, full version of Windows 98 Second Edition which you
can fully update to date of July 11, 2006 as per end of support date for 98
Second Edition. There are full copies on Ebay that range from around $50-$75
for an os which is really cheap and 98 Second Edition really does have that
internal safety of dos as its maintenance operating system.


I have a full 98SE (which I paid for), should I need to go that route -
though I am beginning to feel that, if I was to consider going for a
full install (by "clean" I assume you mean formatting), I'd probably go
for XP anyway. I really don't want to do that (98 or XP) though, as the
system has been built up over _years_, and I don't even _know_ (at the
very least, I don't remember - in some cases I suspect I really don't
know) some of how it got to how it is, so reinstalling everything would
be not only time-consuming but frustrating.

My opinion is that Microsoft chose the wrong development path when choosing
NT over 9x and I hope the new source code Microsoft develops is awesome and


Mine too, but we're not going to change them. Also, we're in a minority,
at least as far as the disc system is concerned.

combines the best of 9x and its maintenance operating system of dos with a
new advanced underlying maintenance operating system of NT, with the external
security of Vista and totally redefines computing in a complex and less
toy-like manner of recent operating systems.


I think the *x people are calling you ... (-: [it certainly won't happen
in Windows )-:]

You can mitigate risks such as to Internet Explorer by using the latest
version of Mozilla Firefox, tools such as SpywareBlaster which imo is awesome


I do (or will one of these days - I'm using Netscape 7.2 ATM)

and my favorite blocking tool for undesirables that try to get onto your
system, read in plain text and block external remote code including html,


I read in a reader (Turnpike) that doesn't follow any scripts or
similar, I control Java and Javascript ... haven't had a virus in
decades, AFAIK ...

have a router with the proper defensive measures for external security, etc.

Yup.

I think that what has broken my system is not malware as such, just
something in soporific's UBCD (or, as he would point out, one of the
constituent parts to which all he's done is provide a wrapper), which
has changed/deleted/altered some file and/or setting in a way which has
had unforeseen consequences (basically something goes wrong when it's
trying to _load_ drivers). I'm just hoping someone has seen something
similar before and knows what has been broken. (Ideally someone using
98lite, but I don't want to exclude suggestions from anyone.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders."
Newton [deliberately] misquoted by Hal Ableson, then quoted by chris harrison.
  #30  
Old August 17th 08, 05:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.win95.general.discussion,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance
MEB[_2_]
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Default problems apparently with rundll32 when loading drivers

I see you installed something new from soporific, what was it?

I have outlined what would likely be the normal procedure in this situation
and the procedure when installing an un-official compilation. Perhaps it
might be beneficial for you to outline what you have already done. You
should also note that unless you follow the procedures and updates/patch
process being used in unofficial patchings by the creator of the patch, your
results will likely NOT reflect the same success.
That type of process requires one be prepared to re-install an image should
the testing fail or corrupt one's system.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________



"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
| In message , MEB
| writes
| Try using Safe Mode to remove ALL old drivers [any sound or problem
| devices].
|
| Look at the installation files in the folder from which you installed the
| purported driver [look at the inf{s}], make note of registry entries
created
| and where files were placed and names.
| Run regedit, search for the RealTek entries and remove - search the INF
| folder for the Realtek INF{s} and delete - remove all files that were
| installed as shown by the install INFs.
|
| Thanks; this is the sort of help I was after, of course.
|
| However, I don't think it is the driver as such that is faulty; the odd
| behaviour seems to happen at some point during the loading process -
| and, I get something not dissimilar when attempting to load something
| entirely different (a microscope, which is in effect a webcam). I don't
| think it is the driver(s) as such, nor the rundll32 file.
|
| LOCATE a better driver... check to ensure the card is properly seated,
| install the new driver....
|
| When using an unofficial updater its usually best to install devices
| [except USB/Firewire] and applications PRIOR to installing/updating with
the
| compilation.
| []
| I have no option in this case anyway, as the hardware is the mobo's
| built-in sound hardware. (And I don't _think_ there was a link to
| disable it.) If I remove (the software/driver) from Device Manager and
| reboot, it does the found new hardware bit, but then crashes
| irretrievably while trying to load the drivers (which I've located from
| the motherboard's website). If I do it without rebooting, it still
| crashes, but I can get control back (I just accept a few error boxes and
| it is back as it was, just still with no sound).
| --
| J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985
MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
| ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on
PCs. **
|
| "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing
on my
| shoulders."
| Newton [deliberately] misquoted by Hal Ableson, then quoted by chris
harrison.


 




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