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  #11  
Old July 25th 08, 08:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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Default Can't boot into Safe Mode

I only asked because of the way you phrased your initial post. I,
personally, ran a multi-boot machine with 2GB of RAM and Win98 with no
problems, including getting into Safe Mode, but it doesn't surprise me that
others have problems.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Sandy" wrote in message
...
Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!

No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try taking
out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that first if
there
was no other way but was reluctant to do so since they're hellish
difficult
to get back in on an MSI.

Sandy.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Sandy" wrote in message
...
Hi again Guys!

Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB RAM
modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything over
1GB
and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the System.ini
file
as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally. However,
if
I
wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files,
presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not
enough
memory to initialize windows".

Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of
functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something goes
wrong
is to then rely on Scanreg /restore.

Cheers,

Sandy.







  #12  
Old July 26th 08, 03:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
glee
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Default Can't boot into Safe Mode

I asked Sandy the same thing in the AumHa forums, where she/he asked the same
question:
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34871


"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
I only asked because of the way you phrased your initial post. I, personally, ran a
multi-boot machine with 2GB of RAM and Win98 with no problems, including getting
into Safe Mode, but it doesn't surprise me that others have problems.


"Sandy" wrote in message
...
Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!

No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try taking
out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that first if there
was no other way but was reluctant to do so since they're hellish difficult
to get back in on an MSI.

Sandy.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating?


"Sandy" wrote in message
...
Hi again Guys!

Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB RAM
modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything over
1GB
and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the System.ini
file
as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally. However, if
I
wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files,
presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not
enough
memory to initialize windows".

Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of
functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something goes
wrong
is to then rely on Scanreg /restore.

Cheers,

Sandy.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


  #13  
Old July 26th 08, 05:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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Default Can't boot into Safe Mode

I keep thinking there should be some way to limit the amount of RAM seen
other than by the use of [386Enh]. I also wondered why I didn't have any
trouble in Safe Mode, and all I can think is that I'd clocked it down as
much as possible because it was otherwise unstable even in WinXP. I was
doing mostly still-photo editing using Photoshop, and working with rather
large images at times (2GB+) and so I didn't care about speed, really, but I
maxed out the amount of RAM for that board.

My new "main machine" (well, it's a year and a half old, now) won't run 9x
no how no way, and I no longer have a test machine with modern capacities
(best one is an HP 5735), though I expect to inherit a couple of machines
from the right era (2002, 2003), soon. I can only hope that the hardware
issues, whatever they are, can be fixed or gotten round. One is my Dad's and
one is my brother's. I got the calls within days of each other. Brother's
machine was rather easy to initially diagnose -- it goes into repetitive
reboot mode just running the installation CD. Never did that before, so....

I think Dad's is simply an overheating video card, but he sounds in the mood
for a new machine, so....

It would be nice to have my test machine able to run anything from DOS to
Vista (fingers crossed), and I'd rather not have more than one extra machine
in my cockpit. It's already quite crowded.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"glee" wrote in message
...
I asked Sandy the same thing in the AumHa forums, where she/he asked the
same question:
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34871


"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
I only asked because of the way you phrased your initial post. I,
personally, ran a multi-boot machine with 2GB of RAM and Win98 with no
problems, including getting into Safe Mode, but it doesn't surprise me
that others have problems.


"Sandy" wrote in message
...
Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!

No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try
taking
out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that first if
there
was no other way but was reluctant to do so since they're hellish
difficult
to get back in on an MSI.

Sandy.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating?


"Sandy" wrote in message
...
Hi again Guys!

Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB
RAM
modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything
over
1GB
and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the
System.ini
file
as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally.
However, if
I
wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files,
presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not
enough
memory to initialize windows".

Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of
functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something
goes
wrong
is to then rely on Scanreg /restore.

Cheers,

Sandy.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm




  #14  
Old August 1st 08, 09:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Sandy
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Posts: 40
Default Can't boot into Safe Mode

Hi Gary, Glee & Buffalo,

I'm back! and just to say I'm sorted thanks to you guys. I took out a stick
of RAM, reset the MaxFileCache and have to say I've got a more stable machine
that will boot into Safe Mode. Interesting to see the discussion that
followed while I've been away! Once again I'm indebted to you chaps, you do
a marvellous job. By the way, I'm a He in Mid Wales (for future reference).
As Glee spotted my catch-all approach, I'll go to the other forum now & sign
myself off.

Thanks and all the best,

Sandy

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

I keep thinking there should be some way to limit the amount of RAM seen
other than by the use of [386Enh]. I also wondered why I didn't have any
trouble in Safe Mode, and all I can think is that I'd clocked it down as
much as possible because it was otherwise unstable even in WinXP. I was
doing mostly still-photo editing using Photoshop, and working with rather
large images at times (2GB+) and so I didn't care about speed, really, but I
maxed out the amount of RAM for that board.

My new "main machine" (well, it's a year and a half old, now) won't run 9x
no how no way, and I no longer have a test machine with modern capacities
(best one is an HP 5735), though I expect to inherit a couple of machines
from the right era (2002, 2003), soon. I can only hope that the hardware
issues, whatever they are, can be fixed or gotten round. One is my Dad's and
one is my brother's. I got the calls within days of each other. Brother's
machine was rather easy to initially diagnose -- it goes into repetitive
reboot mode just running the installation CD. Never did that before, so....

I think Dad's is simply an overheating video card, but he sounds in the mood
for a new machine, so....

It would be nice to have my test machine able to run anything from DOS to
Vista (fingers crossed), and I'd rather not have more than one extra machine
in my cockpit. It's already quite crowded.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"glee" wrote in message
...
I asked Sandy the same thing in the AumHa forums, where she/he asked the
same question:
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34871


"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
I only asked because of the way you phrased your initial post. I,
personally, ran a multi-boot machine with 2GB of RAM and Win98 with no
problems, including getting into Safe Mode, but it doesn't surprise me
that others have problems.


"Sandy" wrote in message
...
Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!

No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try
taking
out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that first if
there
was no other way but was reluctant to do so since they're hellish
difficult
to get back in on an MSI.

Sandy.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating?


"Sandy" wrote in message
...
Hi again Guys!

Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB
RAM
modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything
over
1GB
and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the
System.ini
file
as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally.
However, if
I
wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files,
presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not
enough
memory to initialize windows".

Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of
functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something
goes
wrong
is to then rely on Scanreg /restore.

Cheers,

Sandy.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm





  #15  
Old August 1st 08, 06:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Buffalo
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Default Can't boot into Safe Mode



Sandy wrote:
Hi Gary, Glee & Buffalo,

I'm back! and just to say I'm sorted thanks to you guys. I took out
a stick of RAM, reset the MaxFileCache and have to say I've got a
more stable machine that will boot into Safe Mode. Interesting to
see the discussion that followed while I've been away! Once again
I'm indebted to you chaps, you do a marvellous job. By the way, I'm
a He in Mid Wales (for future reference). As Glee spotted my
catch-all approach, I'll go to the other forum now & sign myself off.

Thanks and all the best,

Sandy

Thanks for posting back with what you did.
Enjoy.


  #16  
Old September 5th 08, 09:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
ols
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Posts: 1
Default Can't boot into Safe Mode

Ok I'm getting the same error \iosubsys subdirectory is corrupt, or the
system is low on memory. I understand I need to adding a "maxfilecache" line
to the vcache section of System.ini. But How do I add the information at the
c: prompt?
ols


"glee" wrote:

I asked Sandy the same thing in the AumHa forums, where she/he asked the same
question:
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34871


"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
I only asked because of the way you phrased your initial post. I, personally, ran a
multi-boot machine with 2GB of RAM and Win98 with no problems, including getting
into Safe Mode, but it doesn't surprise me that others have problems.


"Sandy" wrote in message
...
Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!

No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try taking
out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that first if there
was no other way but was reluctant to do so since they're hellish difficult
to get back in on an MSI.

Sandy.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating?


"Sandy" wrote in message
...
Hi again Guys!

Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB RAM
modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything over
1GB
and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the System.ini
file
as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally. However, if
I
wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files,
presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not
enough
memory to initialize windows".

Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of
functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something goes
wrong
is to then rely on Scanreg /restore.

Cheers,

Sandy.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm



  #17  
Old September 5th 08, 11:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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Default Can't boot into Safe Mode

ols wrote:
| Ok I'm getting the same error \iosubsys subdirectory is corrupt, or
| the system is low on memory. I understand I need to adding a
| "maxfilecache" line to the vcache section of System.ini. But How do I
| add the information at the c: prompt?

http://support.microsoft.com/default...43&Product=w98
Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q184447
Insufficient Memory

http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;253912
"Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed

(1) "START button, Run, MSConfig, System.ini tab, [vcache] section".
Don't just open the section; click it to highlight.
(2) Click the "New" button
(3) Type in: "MaxFileCache=524288"
(4) Click "Apply" and "OK".
(5) Reboot, IF that much (512 KB) is already available.
OTHERWISE, just shut down & add the RAM

JUST, don't exceed usable RAM, as seen at "START, Run, MSInfo32"...
376MB RAM, it says for me, because Video has grabbed away 8 MB.

| ols
|
|
| "glee" wrote:
|
| I asked Sandy the same thing in the AumHa forums, where she/he asked
| the same question:
| http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34871
|
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
| ...
| I only asked because of the way you phrased your initial post. I,
| personally, ran a multi-boot machine with 2GB of RAM and Win98 with
| no problems, including getting into Safe Mode, but it doesn't
| surprise me that others have problems.
|
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!
|
| No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll
| try taking out a module to see if that's enough. I would have
| done that first if there was no other way but was reluctant to do
| so since they're hellish difficult to get back in on an MSI.
|
| Sandy.
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
|
| Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just
| speculating?
|
|
| "Sandy" wrote in message
| ...
| Hi again Guys!
|
| Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have
| 2x1 GB RAM modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98
| grunts at anything over 1GB
| and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the
| System.ini file
| as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally.
| However, if I
| wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup
| files, presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed
| resulting in "not enough
| memory to initialize windows".
|
| Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important
| bit of functionality? The only other alternative as I see it
| if something goes wrong
| is to then rely on Scanreg /restore.
|
| Cheers,
|
| Sandy.
| --
| Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
| http://dts-l.net/
| http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #18  
Old September 6th 08, 03:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Buffalo
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Default Can't boot into Safe Mode



ols wrote:
Ok I'm getting the same error \iosubsys subdirectory is corrupt, or
the system is low on memory. I understand I need to adding a
"maxfilecache" line to the vcache section of System.ini. But How do I
add the information at the c: prompt?
ols

Use the command edit system.ini and make the changes and save.
Then reboot.

This is what it says in the second link that PCR posted in his reply to your
inquiry. But that link shows you how to limit the physical ram, but if you
want to use the MaxFileCache=512000 entry, you have to add it under the [386
Enh] header.


 




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