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  #21  
Old October 16th 08, 11:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98

mikesmith wrote:
| hey jeff sorry i havent got to you in a while..i had some personal
| family matters to tend to
| i glanced over what you wrote to me..
| and i'll try and read it in more detail as soon as i can..
| yeah its kind of hard making sense of some of it..
| and it may take me a while to try and figure it out...
| if i can...
| just want you to know im going to respond to it..
| and let you know the out come..
| and im not just going to dissaper...
| just have to take care of other things..
| thanks for all your trying to do..
| i should respond in a few days..
| plus a day or two to try figure what you wrote..
| yeah thanks for even trying to help here..
| yeah thanks a million buddy..
| talk to you soon as possible

All right, keep him/us informed.

| "PCR" wrote:
|
| Jeff Richards wrote:
| | I have not used the process you describe, but I think it is
| | unlikely to work.
|
| Yea, I haven't used it either. And I haven't yet found an instance of
| anyone having used it for this purpose (but I'm sure some must exist
| somewhere). And I'd hate to see mikesmith waste his Quantum Fireball.
|
| BUT Terabyte has deemed it possible to put an Option 8 into MBRWork
| (a
| little 26KB program), & Terabyte usually is quite good. Therefore, it
| must be possible to do it-- but what really needs to be done?
|
| Is it as you fear that something unusal has been done to the
| structure
| of the partition (maybe the FAT tables)? Or can it be all is well
| with
| that-- & only the MBR has been altered? Then, into the MBR boot code
| was inserted a call to the Quantum DDO that kind of supplements BIOS
| to
| understand LBA. The MBR table (& the FAT tables) could be a normal
| one
| that includes LBA information. However, looks like the partition
| type(s)
| is altered, maybe to...
|
| http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/partition...n_types-1.html
| Partition types
| ..........Quote.....................
| 55 EZ-Drive
|
| EZ-Drive is another disk manager (by MicroHouse, 1992). Linux kernel
| versions older than 1.3.29 do not coexist with EZD. (On 990323
| MicroHouse International was acquired by EarthWeb; MicroHouse
| Solutions
| split off and changed its name into StorageSoft. MicroHouse
| Development
| split off and changed its name into ImageCast. It is StorageSoft that
| now markets EZDrive and DrivePro.)
| ..........EOQ.......................
|
| Can it really only be necessary to change that "55" to a normal FAT
| code? Here is what MBRWork shows to me for my slave drive, run from a
| Windows DOS box. "c" is a primary FAT32 partition, & "f" is an
| extended partition...
|
| ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
| MBR Partition Information (HD1):
| ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
| ¦ 0: ¦ 0 ¦ 1 1 0 ¦ c ¦ 239 63 1021 ¦
| 63 ¦ 16374897 ¦
| ¦ 1: ¦ 0 ¦ 239 63 1021 ¦ f ¦ 239 63 1021 ¦ 16374960 ¦
| 61795440 ¦ ¦ 2: ¦ 0 ¦ 0 0 0 ¦ 0 ¦ 0 0
| 0 ¦ 0 ¦ 0 ¦
| ¦ 3: ¦ 0 ¦ 0 0 0 ¦ 0 ¦ 0 0 0 ¦
| 0 ¦ 0 ¦
| ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
|
| Here is what that URL says about them. Obviously, it was written
| before
| the advent of Win98, though...
|
| 0c WIN95 OSR2 FAT32, LBA-mapped
| Extended-INT13 equivalent of 0b.
|
| 0f WIN95: Extended partition, LBA-mapped
| Windows 95 uses 0e and 0f as the extended-INT13 equivalents of 06 and
| 05. For the problems this causes, see Possible data loss with LBA and
| INT13 extensions. (Especially when going back and forth between MSDOS
| and Windows 95, strange things may happen with a type 0e or 0f
| partition.) Windows NT does not recognize the four W95 types 0b, 0c,
| 0e, 0f ( Win95 Partition Types Not Recognized by Windows NT). DRDOS
| 7.03
| does not support this type (but DRDOS 7.04 does).
|
|
| | The point of the Quantum software is to map the disk
| | sectors to hardware parameters that the BIOS can understand. Simply
| | rewriting the MBR without that particular mapping in place could
| | write the MBR to the 'wrong' physical location, possibly
| | overwriting data such as FAT. Then again, it may not, as the MBR
| | location is often the same between the mapped and unmapped states.
| | That may be why the drive appears to be partially accessible (and
| | why I was careful to warn against allowing anything to write to
| | it). But when it's accessed by the OS, if the correct mapping is
| | not happening then the FAT will not make sense (even if it hasn't
| | been corrupted) as the logical sector numbers used in the FAT will
| | map to different physical locations (and also presumably won't
| | match the partition information).
| |
| | The Quantum software might have a facility for undoing the mapping
| | - that is, physically re-arranging the data in the sectors to
| | match the default hardware characteristics - but in my experience
| | it is easier to copy off the data and rebuild the drive from
| | scratch. Note that I was careful not to call this 'uninstalling' -
| | the management software is not currently installed, and my guess
| | is that's the problem. What we are trying to achieve is to undo
| | the special sector numbering arrangement of that drive. It's not
| | just terminology - it's an important distinction because there is
| | a significant amount of complex data shuffling needed.
| |
| | Also, we have to first confirm that this is actually the problem.
| | --
| | Jeff Richards
| | MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Jeff Richards wrote:
| | | It sure sounds like the drive was set up to be managed by the
| | | Quantum software. At this stage, that's a better assumption than
| | | some difference in the LBA (which is what could have happened
| | | as a result of needing to make special settings in the original
| | | BIOS).
| | |
| | | If you can find the Quantum software then have a good look
| | | through the documentation to get an idea of what's needed to
| | | access that disk. The process will involve installing the drive
| | | management software to the boot disk (C in your case) WITHOUT
| | | going through the drive setup procedure for the drive that is
| | | going to be managed - that is, without doing the equivalent of
| | | FDISK on the second drive. You might even be able to do the
| | | setup without having that drive connected to the machine, just
| | | to be safe. It will probably complain about no having any
| | | drives that need to be managed, but should still install. Once
| | | the software is running it only interferes with those drives
| | | that require it. When you then reconnect the old drive, it
| | | should then be recognised as a managed drive and should become
| | | accessible.
| | |
| | | So the important thing to keep in mind is that the software has
| | | two parts. The disk preparation part for the drive to be
| | | managed, which has already been done and you definitely do not
| | | want to repeat, and the management software installation part
| | | (to the boot drive) which you do want to repeat. The
| | | documentation for the software should cover that option.
| | |
| | | It may be possible to use the Quantum software to prepare a boot
| | | floppy that will give you DOS access to that drive. That will
| | | at least prove what the problem is, and you could, if necessary,
| | | retrieve your data through DOS.
| | |
| | | In the meantime, be very careful that you don't do anything that
| | | might write to that old disk. In its current state it looks
| | | usable in some circumstances, but if data gets written to the
| | | disk then it may be written using different partitioning
| | | parameters to those it is actually set up with, and the file
| | | system will be corrupted. Be particularly careful of anything
| | | that wants to try and 'repair' the disk (as distinct from
| | | simply examining, displaying or copying off the contents) as
| | | the repair could destroy all the data.
| |
| | Since mikesmith's new Compaq 5000US motherboard/BIOS sees the
| | full 20 GBs of the Maxblast drive (as he reports & I've seen it
| | in a NET ad), isn't it worth a try to uninstall Maxbast? And I
| | wonder whether MBRWork could do that with its Option 8. If Option
| | 8 doesn't show up, I wonder whether this would do it...?...
| |
| | http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/utilities.html MBRWork
| | Free MBR utility.
| |
| | (a) Option 7 - Work with multiple hard drives.
| | Get to drive 1, the bad one.
| | (b) Option 1-- Backup the first track on a hard drive.
| | Makes a backup of the current MBR & EMBR.
| | Then, Option 2 can undo all of the following...
| | (c) Option 3 - Reset the EMBR area to all zeros.
| | A generally unused area between the MBR & end of first track,
| | but it can hold a drive overlay or 3rd party boot manager.
| | (d) Option 4 - Reset the MBR area to all zeros.
| | This wipes the MBR table holding the dimensions of all
| | partitions on that drive, if more than one. But it leaves all
| | other drives intact.
| | (e) Select option A to recover partition(s).
| | This generates partition dimensions into the MBR,
| | getting them somehow from the partition data area itself.
| | Sounds like it ONLY will work, IF the MBR has been mussed,
| | & everything else is fine.
| | (f) Option 5 - Install standard MBR Code
| | This will put boot code into the MBR.
| |
| | .......Quote MBRWork Readme .......
| | MBRWork - Freeware utility to perform some common and uncommon MBR

| | and disk functions. Provided As-Is.
| |
| | It can perform the following:
| |
| | 1 - Backup the first track on a hard drive.
| | 2 - Restore the backup file.
| | 3 - Reset the EMBR area to all zeros.
| | 4 - Reset the MBR are to all zeros.
| | 5 - Install standard MBR Code
| | 6 - Set a partition active (avail on the command line too)
| | 7 - Work with multiple hard drives.
| | 8 - Remove EZ-Drive (You must boot directly to a diskette
| | [bypassing ez-drive] for this option to show)
| | 9 - Edit MBR partition entry values.
| | A - If no partitions exist in the MBR and no EMBR exists then this
| | option will allow you to recover lost FAT, HPFS, NTFS, and
| | Extended partitions.
| | C - Capture up to 64 disk sectors to a file.
| | R - Restore up to 64 disk sectors from a file. This feature
| | should only be used by those who completely understand what
| | they are
| | doing!
| | T - Transfer/Copy sectors from disk to disk. This feature should
| | only be used by those who completely understand what they are
| | doing!
| | P - Compare sectors.
| | .....EOQ... MBRWork Readme .............
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #22  
Old October 16th 08, 11:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 4,396
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98

mikesmith wrote:
| hey jeff sorry i havent got to you in a while..i had some personal
| family matters to tend to
| i glanced over what you wrote to me..
| and i'll try and read it in more detail as soon as i can..
| yeah its kind of hard making sense of some of it..
| and it may take me a while to try and figure it out...
| if i can...
| just want you to know im going to respond to it..
| and let you know the out come..
| and im not just going to dissaper...
| just have to take care of other things..
| thanks for all your trying to do..
| i should respond in a few days..
| plus a day or two to try figure what you wrote..
| yeah thanks for even trying to help here..
| yeah thanks a million buddy..
| talk to you soon as possible

All right, keep him/us informed.

| "PCR" wrote:
|
| Jeff Richards wrote:
| | I have not used the process you describe, but I think it is
| | unlikely to work.
|
| Yea, I haven't used it either. And I haven't yet found an instance of
| anyone having used it for this purpose (but I'm sure some must exist
| somewhere). And I'd hate to see mikesmith waste his Quantum Fireball.
|
| BUT Terabyte has deemed it possible to put an Option 8 into MBRWork
| (a
| little 26KB program), & Terabyte usually is quite good. Therefore, it
| must be possible to do it-- but what really needs to be done?
|
| Is it as you fear that something unusal has been done to the
| structure
| of the partition (maybe the FAT tables)? Or can it be all is well
| with
| that-- & only the MBR has been altered? Then, into the MBR boot code
| was inserted a call to the Quantum DDO that kind of supplements BIOS
| to
| understand LBA. The MBR table (& the FAT tables) could be a normal
| one
| that includes LBA information. However, looks like the partition
| type(s)
| is altered, maybe to...
|
| http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/partition...n_types-1.html
| Partition types
| ..........Quote.....................
| 55 EZ-Drive
|
| EZ-Drive is another disk manager (by MicroHouse, 1992). Linux kernel
| versions older than 1.3.29 do not coexist with EZD. (On 990323
| MicroHouse International was acquired by EarthWeb; MicroHouse
| Solutions
| split off and changed its name into StorageSoft. MicroHouse
| Development
| split off and changed its name into ImageCast. It is StorageSoft that
| now markets EZDrive and DrivePro.)
| ..........EOQ.......................
|
| Can it really only be necessary to change that "55" to a normal FAT
| code? Here is what MBRWork shows to me for my slave drive, run from a
| Windows DOS box. "c" is a primary FAT32 partition, & "f" is an
| extended partition...
|
| ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
| MBR Partition Information (HD1):
| ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
| ¦ 0: ¦ 0 ¦ 1 1 0 ¦ c ¦ 239 63 1021 ¦
| 63 ¦ 16374897 ¦
| ¦ 1: ¦ 0 ¦ 239 63 1021 ¦ f ¦ 239 63 1021 ¦ 16374960 ¦
| 61795440 ¦ ¦ 2: ¦ 0 ¦ 0 0 0 ¦ 0 ¦ 0 0
| 0 ¦ 0 ¦ 0 ¦
| ¦ 3: ¦ 0 ¦ 0 0 0 ¦ 0 ¦ 0 0 0 ¦
| 0 ¦ 0 ¦
| ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
|
| Here is what that URL says about them. Obviously, it was written
| before
| the advent of Win98, though...
|
| 0c WIN95 OSR2 FAT32, LBA-mapped
| Extended-INT13 equivalent of 0b.
|
| 0f WIN95: Extended partition, LBA-mapped
| Windows 95 uses 0e and 0f as the extended-INT13 equivalents of 06 and
| 05. For the problems this causes, see Possible data loss with LBA and
| INT13 extensions. (Especially when going back and forth between MSDOS
| and Windows 95, strange things may happen with a type 0e or 0f
| partition.) Windows NT does not recognize the four W95 types 0b, 0c,
| 0e, 0f ( Win95 Partition Types Not Recognized by Windows NT). DRDOS
| 7.03
| does not support this type (but DRDOS 7.04 does).
|
|
| | The point of the Quantum software is to map the disk
| | sectors to hardware parameters that the BIOS can understand. Simply
| | rewriting the MBR without that particular mapping in place could
| | write the MBR to the 'wrong' physical location, possibly
| | overwriting data such as FAT. Then again, it may not, as the MBR
| | location is often the same between the mapped and unmapped states.
| | That may be why the drive appears to be partially accessible (and
| | why I was careful to warn against allowing anything to write to
| | it). But when it's accessed by the OS, if the correct mapping is
| | not happening then the FAT will not make sense (even if it hasn't
| | been corrupted) as the logical sector numbers used in the FAT will
| | map to different physical locations (and also presumably won't
| | match the partition information).
| |
| | The Quantum software might have a facility for undoing the mapping
| | - that is, physically re-arranging the data in the sectors to
| | match the default hardware characteristics - but in my experience
| | it is easier to copy off the data and rebuild the drive from
| | scratch. Note that I was careful not to call this 'uninstalling' -
| | the management software is not currently installed, and my guess
| | is that's the problem. What we are trying to achieve is to undo
| | the special sector numbering arrangement of that drive. It's not
| | just terminology - it's an important distinction because there is
| | a significant amount of complex data shuffling needed.
| |
| | Also, we have to first confirm that this is actually the problem.
| | --
| | Jeff Richards
| | MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Jeff Richards wrote:
| | | It sure sounds like the drive was set up to be managed by the
| | | Quantum software. At this stage, that's a better assumption than
| | | some difference in the LBA (which is what could have happened
| | | as a result of needing to make special settings in the original
| | | BIOS).
| | |
| | | If you can find the Quantum software then have a good look
| | | through the documentation to get an idea of what's needed to
| | | access that disk. The process will involve installing the drive
| | | management software to the boot disk (C in your case) WITHOUT
| | | going through the drive setup procedure for the drive that is
| | | going to be managed - that is, without doing the equivalent of
| | | FDISK on the second drive. You might even be able to do the
| | | setup without having that drive connected to the machine, just
| | | to be safe. It will probably complain about no having any
| | | drives that need to be managed, but should still install. Once
| | | the software is running it only interferes with those drives
| | | that require it. When you then reconnect the old drive, it
| | | should then be recognised as a managed drive and should become
| | | accessible.
| | |
| | | So the important thing to keep in mind is that the software has
| | | two parts. The disk preparation part for the drive to be
| | | managed, which has already been done and you definitely do not
| | | want to repeat, and the management software installation part
| | | (to the boot drive) which you do want to repeat. The
| | | documentation for the software should cover that option.
| | |
| | | It may be possible to use the Quantum software to prepare a boot
| | | floppy that will give you DOS access to that drive. That will
| | | at least prove what the problem is, and you could, if necessary,
| | | retrieve your data through DOS.
| | |
| | | In the meantime, be very careful that you don't do anything that
| | | might write to that old disk. In its current state it looks
| | | usable in some circumstances, but if data gets written to the
| | | disk then it may be written using different partitioning
| | | parameters to those it is actually set up with, and the file
| | | system will be corrupted. Be particularly careful of anything
| | | that wants to try and 'repair' the disk (as distinct from
| | | simply examining, displaying or copying off the contents) as
| | | the repair could destroy all the data.
| |
| | Since mikesmith's new Compaq 5000US motherboard/BIOS sees the
| | full 20 GBs of the Maxblast drive (as he reports & I've seen it
| | in a NET ad), isn't it worth a try to uninstall Maxbast? And I
| | wonder whether MBRWork could do that with its Option 8. If Option
| | 8 doesn't show up, I wonder whether this would do it...?...
| |
| | http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/utilities.html MBRWork
| | Free MBR utility.
| |
| | (a) Option 7 - Work with multiple hard drives.
| | Get to drive 1, the bad one.
| | (b) Option 1-- Backup the first track on a hard drive.
| | Makes a backup of the current MBR & EMBR.
| | Then, Option 2 can undo all of the following...
| | (c) Option 3 - Reset the EMBR area to all zeros.
| | A generally unused area between the MBR & end of first track,
| | but it can hold a drive overlay or 3rd party boot manager.
| | (d) Option 4 - Reset the MBR area to all zeros.
| | This wipes the MBR table holding the dimensions of all
| | partitions on that drive, if more than one. But it leaves all
| | other drives intact.
| | (e) Select option A to recover partition(s).
| | This generates partition dimensions into the MBR,
| | getting them somehow from the partition data area itself.
| | Sounds like it ONLY will work, IF the MBR has been mussed,
| | & everything else is fine.
| | (f) Option 5 - Install standard MBR Code
| | This will put boot code into the MBR.
| |
| | .......Quote MBRWork Readme .......
| | MBRWork - Freeware utility to perform some common and uncommon MBR

| | and disk functions. Provided As-Is.
| |
| | It can perform the following:
| |
| | 1 - Backup the first track on a hard drive.
| | 2 - Restore the backup file.
| | 3 - Reset the EMBR area to all zeros.
| | 4 - Reset the MBR are to all zeros.
| | 5 - Install standard MBR Code
| | 6 - Set a partition active (avail on the command line too)
| | 7 - Work with multiple hard drives.
| | 8 - Remove EZ-Drive (You must boot directly to a diskette
| | [bypassing ez-drive] for this option to show)
| | 9 - Edit MBR partition entry values.
| | A - If no partitions exist in the MBR and no EMBR exists then this
| | option will allow you to recover lost FAT, HPFS, NTFS, and
| | Extended partitions.
| | C - Capture up to 64 disk sectors to a file.
| | R - Restore up to 64 disk sectors from a file. This feature
| | should only be used by those who completely understand what
| | they are
| | doing!
| | T - Transfer/Copy sectors from disk to disk. This feature should
| | only be used by those who completely understand what they are
| | doing!
| | P - Compare sectors.
| | .....EOQ... MBRWork Readme .............
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #23  
Old October 17th 08, 09:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Jeff Richards
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,526
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98

That's OK - I'm watching.

Don't forget that we haven't proved that we know what the problem is.
Although a missing disk manager seems most likely to me, it's still possible
that the problem has an entirely different cause.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"mikesmith" wrote in message
...
hey jeff sorry i havent got to you in a while..i had some personal family
matters to tend to
i glanced over what you wrote to me..
and i'll try and read it in more detail as soon as i can..
yeah its kind of hard making sense of some of it..
and it may take me a while to try and figure it out...
if i can...
just want you to know im going to respond to it..
and let you know the out come..
and im not just going to dissaper...
just have to take care of other things..
thanks for all your trying to do..
i should respond in a few days..
plus a day or two to try figure what you wrote..
yeah thanks for even trying to help here..
yeah thanks a million buddy..
talk to you soon as possible



  #24  
Old October 17th 08, 09:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Jeff Richards
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,526
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98

That's OK - I'm watching.

Don't forget that we haven't proved that we know what the problem is.
Although a missing disk manager seems most likely to me, it's still possible
that the problem has an entirely different cause.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"mikesmith" wrote in message
...
hey jeff sorry i havent got to you in a while..i had some personal family
matters to tend to
i glanced over what you wrote to me..
and i'll try and read it in more detail as soon as i can..
yeah its kind of hard making sense of some of it..
and it may take me a while to try and figure it out...
if i can...
just want you to know im going to respond to it..
and let you know the out come..
and im not just going to dissaper...
just have to take care of other things..
thanks for all your trying to do..
i should respond in a few days..
plus a day or two to try figure what you wrote..
yeah thanks for even trying to help here..
yeah thanks a million buddy..
talk to you soon as possible



  #25  
Old November 16th 08, 07:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
mikesmith
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 35
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98

hey jeff remember me..lol..

jeff if you ever work on computers
you should read this..

im going to go off on a little tangent point here..
but it is kinda the fault that made all of this problem..
and why i moved my hard drive to another computer in the first place..

remember what started it all was..
when my Abit KT7-raid mother board died..
and i put my salve Quantum (data only) drive into a Compaq 5000 US

well heres what my KT7 computer was doing...
it keep locking up..
freezing..
it would freeze up on the windows 98 logo screen..
it wouldent get past that..
and sometimes it wouldent even make it to that..
one day it was fine..
the next day it was dead..
i couldent get into windows 98..

i read fourm after fourm..
and tried everything all of them said..
to try and fix my computer...

replace the memory..
replace your power supply..
replace your video card..
replace your processor..
sound card....
cables..

this that..this that
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...

reinstall windows..

yeah thats the fix everyone recomends...
when nothing they recomend works...
re-install windows...

none of what i did worked!..
short of re-installing windows

well guess what jeff..i figured it out..
and fixed my Kt7 motherboard..
and im thinking this might be a big problem with more peoples computers
then most people know about...

it has to do with a manufacturing defect with MILLION AND MILLIONS
of capacitors that were put in almost every mother board made
Abits..Msi..Giga-bytes...ALL OF THEM..

i found this web site..http://www.badcaps.net

and i read this page.....http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=4
**this is the page that explains how it all happened**

and i read their fourm...http://www.badcaps.net/forum/
to find out how to fix it..

well i re-capped my motherboard..
and soldered all new Nichicon caps in my board

and replaced all my **bluging TP-cons**..i replaced them all..all the caps
on the board..
there is picture apon picture of these bluging defective capacitors in their
fourm
from peoples post's in it...
i wonder how many people have this problem and don't even know..
and i wonder how many boards have been thrown out because of it..

well now my mother board runs better then it did brand new..
it runs like superman on steroids..lol..

i wish i would have read those articles years ago because all the problems
i ever encountered were probably all related to this problem..
till one day...it got so bad..
it wouldent work no more..
and my mother board died

plus!!!
i had 2 power supplys i bought over the years that died..
a 350 watt one..
and a 400 watt one..
guess what..
i replaced 6 caps in one..for like 4 dollars
and 5 caps in the other for 3 dollars..
they work now!!!!
i wish i would have knew..
i would have not had to buy third power supply for 65 bucks..

i have a 32 inch TV i bought a few years back..
the top and bottom of the picture
got big black lines in them..top and bottom..like 3 inches wide..

so i bought a new TV for like 400 bucks..
because my old one went bad with those big black lines..
well guess what...
i replaced 1 cap..for 65 cents..
and now my TV works again...

lol..im going Cap replace crazy..lol...

i wish i would have read that web page years ago...
i would have saved alot of money..
anyways..

maybe alot of problems people think are caused by this or that
really might just be bad caps...
im going to check those first thing from now on !!!!!

back to my hard drive...
well..
i put that hard drive back in my RECAPED Kt7...and its seeing it..
nothing was wrong with the hard drive to start...
it was the stupid Compaq system..

BUT!!!
BUT
but i did some things to the Hard drive using TESTDISK..
that the developer of TESTDISK had me do..
like changing things on the master boot thing i think...

and now the files arent acessable...
i see funny looking files and folders
they all have funny symbols..
insted of the names..
and...i dont know...
i think i messed stuff up doing what he said to do..
...anyways...i'll look into that..
and try to find out what things i did..
so i can tell you what i did..
its hard talking to that guy..
i dont think he speeks english.....im guessing..

i'll do that in my next post to you..

but yeah it was that gay AZZ Compaq...nothing was wrong with the hard drive
in the first place...
it was something in that stupid compaq set up..
im going to have to ask that TESTDISK guy what i did and how to reverse it
if i can...

yeah thanks for trying to help me Jeff..
talk to you soon buddy....
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!!!


"Jeff Richards" wrote:

That's OK - I'm watching.


  #26  
Old November 16th 08, 07:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
mikesmith
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Posts: 35
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98

hey jeff remember me..lol..

jeff if you ever work on computers
you should read this..

im going to go off on a little tangent point here..
but it is kinda the fault that made all of this problem..
and why i moved my hard drive to another computer in the first place..

remember what started it all was..
when my Abit KT7-raid mother board died..
and i put my salve Quantum (data only) drive into a Compaq 5000 US

well heres what my KT7 computer was doing...
it keep locking up..
freezing..
it would freeze up on the windows 98 logo screen..
it wouldent get past that..
and sometimes it wouldent even make it to that..
one day it was fine..
the next day it was dead..
i couldent get into windows 98..

i read fourm after fourm..
and tried everything all of them said..
to try and fix my computer...

replace the memory..
replace your power supply..
replace your video card..
replace your processor..
sound card....
cables..

this that..this that
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...

reinstall windows..

yeah thats the fix everyone recomends...
when nothing they recomend works...
re-install windows...

none of what i did worked!..
short of re-installing windows

well guess what jeff..i figured it out..
and fixed my Kt7 motherboard..
and im thinking this might be a big problem with more peoples computers
then most people know about...

it has to do with a manufacturing defect with MILLION AND MILLIONS
of capacitors that were put in almost every mother board made
Abits..Msi..Giga-bytes...ALL OF THEM..

i found this web site..http://www.badcaps.net

and i read this page.....http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=4
**this is the page that explains how it all happened**

and i read their fourm...http://www.badcaps.net/forum/
to find out how to fix it..

well i re-capped my motherboard..
and soldered all new Nichicon caps in my board

and replaced all my **bluging TP-cons**..i replaced them all..all the caps
on the board..
there is picture apon picture of these bluging defective capacitors in their
fourm
from peoples post's in it...
i wonder how many people have this problem and don't even know..
and i wonder how many boards have been thrown out because of it..

well now my mother board runs better then it did brand new..
it runs like superman on steroids..lol..

i wish i would have read those articles years ago because all the problems
i ever encountered were probably all related to this problem..
till one day...it got so bad..
it wouldent work no more..
and my mother board died

plus!!!
i had 2 power supplys i bought over the years that died..
a 350 watt one..
and a 400 watt one..
guess what..
i replaced 6 caps in one..for like 4 dollars
and 5 caps in the other for 3 dollars..
they work now!!!!
i wish i would have knew..
i would have not had to buy third power supply for 65 bucks..

i have a 32 inch TV i bought a few years back..
the top and bottom of the picture
got big black lines in them..top and bottom..like 3 inches wide..

so i bought a new TV for like 400 bucks..
because my old one went bad with those big black lines..
well guess what...
i replaced 1 cap..for 65 cents..
and now my TV works again...

lol..im going Cap replace crazy..lol...

i wish i would have read that web page years ago...
i would have saved alot of money..
anyways..

maybe alot of problems people think are caused by this or that
really might just be bad caps...
im going to check those first thing from now on !!!!!

back to my hard drive...
well..
i put that hard drive back in my RECAPED Kt7...and its seeing it..
nothing was wrong with the hard drive to start...
it was the stupid Compaq system..

BUT!!!
BUT
but i did some things to the Hard drive using TESTDISK..
that the developer of TESTDISK had me do..
like changing things on the master boot thing i think...

and now the files arent acessable...
i see funny looking files and folders
they all have funny symbols..
insted of the names..
and...i dont know...
i think i messed stuff up doing what he said to do..
...anyways...i'll look into that..
and try to find out what things i did..
so i can tell you what i did..
its hard talking to that guy..
i dont think he speeks english.....im guessing..

i'll do that in my next post to you..

but yeah it was that gay AZZ Compaq...nothing was wrong with the hard drive
in the first place...
it was something in that stupid compaq set up..
im going to have to ask that TESTDISK guy what i did and how to reverse it
if i can...

yeah thanks for trying to help me Jeff..
talk to you soon buddy....
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!!!


"Jeff Richards" wrote:

That's OK - I'm watching.


  #27  
Old November 16th 08, 06:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Buffalo
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 652
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98



mikesmith wrote:
[snip]
it has to do with a manufacturing defect with MILLION AND MILLIONS
of capacitors that were put in almost every mother board made
Abits..Msi..Giga-bytes...ALL OF THEM..

i found this web site..http://www.badcaps.net

and i read this page.....http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=4
**this is the page that explains how it all happened**

and i read their fourm...http://www.badcaps.net/forum/
to find out how to fix it..

well i re-capped my motherboard..
and soldered all new Nichicon caps in my board

and replaced all my **bluging TP-cons**..i replaced them all..all the
caps on the board..
there is picture apon picture of these bluging defective capacitors
in their fourm
from peoples post's in it...
i wonder how many people have this problem and don't even know..
and i wonder how many boards have been thrown out because of it..

well now my mother board runs better then it did brand new..
it runs like superman on steroids..lol..

[snip]

My roommate's Abit K-7 mb also had problems and I found one bulging cap and
replaced it. I thouht it was very difficult to replace. It is still working
like a charm.
This was several years ago. Yes, the bad caps were on many MBs and all
because some cap mfg was using a stolen chemical component formula that had
the wrong chemicals in it, or so I heard.
How did you replace all those caps? What method did you use and what
equipment did you need?
Don't go cap crazy, and remember, the ones in a TV set, etc have a lot of
high voltage in them and could cause serious injury, even death.

Sorry I can't help you on the HDD problem either, but hopefully someone here
can.
Buffalo


  #28  
Old November 16th 08, 06:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Buffalo
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 652
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98



mikesmith wrote:
[snip]
it has to do with a manufacturing defect with MILLION AND MILLIONS
of capacitors that were put in almost every mother board made
Abits..Msi..Giga-bytes...ALL OF THEM..

i found this web site..http://www.badcaps.net

and i read this page.....http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=4
**this is the page that explains how it all happened**

and i read their fourm...http://www.badcaps.net/forum/
to find out how to fix it..

well i re-capped my motherboard..
and soldered all new Nichicon caps in my board

and replaced all my **bluging TP-cons**..i replaced them all..all the
caps on the board..
there is picture apon picture of these bluging defective capacitors
in their fourm
from peoples post's in it...
i wonder how many people have this problem and don't even know..
and i wonder how many boards have been thrown out because of it..

well now my mother board runs better then it did brand new..
it runs like superman on steroids..lol..

[snip]

My roommate's Abit K-7 mb also had problems and I found one bulging cap and
replaced it. I thouht it was very difficult to replace. It is still working
like a charm.
This was several years ago. Yes, the bad caps were on many MBs and all
because some cap mfg was using a stolen chemical component formula that had
the wrong chemicals in it, or so I heard.
How did you replace all those caps? What method did you use and what
equipment did you need?
Don't go cap crazy, and remember, the ones in a TV set, etc have a lot of
high voltage in them and could cause serious injury, even death.

Sorry I can't help you on the HDD problem either, but hopefully someone here
can.
Buffalo


  #29  
Old November 17th 08, 01:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 4,396
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98

mikesmith wrote:
| hey jeff remember me..lol..
|
| jeff if you ever work on computers
| you should read this..
|
| im going to go off on a little tangent point here..
| but it is kinda the fault that made all of this problem..
| and why i moved my hard drive to another computer in the first place..
|
| remember what started it all was..
| when my Abit KT7-raid mother board died..
| and i put my salve Quantum (data only) drive into a Compaq 5000 US
|
| well heres what my KT7 computer was doing...
| it keep locking up..
| freezing..
| it would freeze up on the windows 98 logo screen..
| it wouldent get past that..
| and sometimes it wouldent even make it to that..
| one day it was fine..
| the next day it was dead..
| i couldent get into windows 98..
|
| i read fourm after fourm..
| and tried everything all of them said..
| to try and fix my computer...
|
| replace the memory..
| replace your power supply..
| replace your video card..
| replace your processor..
| sound card....
| cables..
|
| this that..this that
| BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...
|
| reinstall windows..
|
| yeah thats the fix everyone recomends...
| when nothing they recomend works...
| re-install windows...
|
| none of what i did worked!..
| short of re-installing windows
|
| well guess what jeff..i figured it out..
| and fixed my Kt7 motherboard..
| and im thinking this might be a big problem with more peoples
| computers then most people know about...
|
| it has to do with a manufacturing defect with MILLION AND MILLIONS
| of capacitors that were put in almost every mother board made
| Abits..Msi..Giga-bytes...ALL OF THEM..
|
| i found this web site..http://www.badcaps.net
|
| and i read this page.....http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=4
| **this is the page that explains how it all happened**
|
| and i read their fourm...http://www.badcaps.net/forum/
| to find out how to fix it..
|
| well i re-capped my motherboard..
| and soldered all new Nichicon caps in my board
|
| and replaced all my **bluging TP-cons**..i replaced them all..all the
| caps on the board..
| there is picture apon picture of these bluging defective capacitors
| in their fourm
| from peoples post's in it...
| i wonder how many people have this problem and don't even know..
| and i wonder how many boards have been thrown out because of it..
|
| well now my mother board runs better then it did brand new..
| it runs like superman on steroids..lol..
|
| i wish i would have read those articles years ago because all the
| problems i ever encountered were probably all related to this
| problem..
| till one day...it got so bad..
| it wouldent work no more..
| and my mother board died
|
| plus!!!
| i had 2 power supplys i bought over the years that died..
| a 350 watt one..
| and a 400 watt one..
| guess what..
| i replaced 6 caps in one..for like 4 dollars
| and 5 caps in the other for 3 dollars..
| they work now!!!!
| i wish i would have knew..
| i would have not had to buy third power supply for 65 bucks..
|
| i have a 32 inch TV i bought a few years back..
| the top and bottom of the picture
| got big black lines in them..top and bottom..like 3 inches wide..
|
| so i bought a new TV for like 400 bucks..
| because my old one went bad with those big black lines..
| well guess what...
| i replaced 1 cap..for 65 cents..
| and now my TV works again...
|
| lol..im going Cap replace crazy..lol...
|
| i wish i would have read that web page years ago...
| i would have saved alot of money..
| anyways..
|
| maybe alot of problems people think are caused by this or that
| really might just be bad caps...
| im going to check those first thing from now on !!!!!
|
| back to my hard drive...
| well..
| i put that hard drive back in my RECAPED Kt7...and its seeing it..
| nothing was wrong with the hard drive to start...
| it was the stupid Compaq system..
|
| BUT!!!
| BUT
| but i did some things to the Hard drive using TESTDISK..
| that the developer of TESTDISK had me do..
| like changing things on the master boot thing i think...
|
| and now the files arent acessable...
| i see funny looking files and folders
| they all have funny symbols..
| insted of the names..
| and...i dont know...
| i think i messed stuff up doing what he said to do..
| ..anyways...i'll look into that..
| and try to find out what things i did..
| so i can tell you what i did..
| its hard talking to that guy..
| i dont think he speeks english.....im guessing..
|
| i'll do that in my next post to you..
|
| but yeah it was that gay AZZ Compaq...nothing was wrong with the hard
| drive in the first place...
| it was something in that stupid compaq set up..
| im going to have to ask that TESTDISK guy what i did and how to
| reverse it if i can...
|
| yeah thanks for trying to help me Jeff..
| talk to you soon buddy....
| THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!!!

I'm sure Jeff remembers & is still watching. Few of us can recall he has
gone senile yet & he is wearing triple-thick trifocal glasses! I'm no
expert on caps, & the site you posted won't come up for me; so, answer
Buffalo's questions when you get a chance too. You should hesitate to
recommend a thing that could electrocute us. We get our electro-shock
brain therapy & restarted hearts on an as-needed basis here! Keep us all
informed.

I don't want to step on the toes of your TESTDISK guy, but, yea, try to
recall what he said & what has been done. Was it determined that the
Quantum Fireball Hard Drive had MaxBlast unnecessarily installed? Is the
TESTDISK guy trying to uninstall it or to reinstall it? Maybe post what
MBRWork shows for the MBR on the Fireball. What partition type does it
show?

| "Jeff Richards" wrote:
|
| That's OK - I'm watching.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #30  
Old November 17th 08, 01:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 4,396
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98

mikesmith wrote:
| hey jeff remember me..lol..
|
| jeff if you ever work on computers
| you should read this..
|
| im going to go off on a little tangent point here..
| but it is kinda the fault that made all of this problem..
| and why i moved my hard drive to another computer in the first place..
|
| remember what started it all was..
| when my Abit KT7-raid mother board died..
| and i put my salve Quantum (data only) drive into a Compaq 5000 US
|
| well heres what my KT7 computer was doing...
| it keep locking up..
| freezing..
| it would freeze up on the windows 98 logo screen..
| it wouldent get past that..
| and sometimes it wouldent even make it to that..
| one day it was fine..
| the next day it was dead..
| i couldent get into windows 98..
|
| i read fourm after fourm..
| and tried everything all of them said..
| to try and fix my computer...
|
| replace the memory..
| replace your power supply..
| replace your video card..
| replace your processor..
| sound card....
| cables..
|
| this that..this that
| BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...
|
| reinstall windows..
|
| yeah thats the fix everyone recomends...
| when nothing they recomend works...
| re-install windows...
|
| none of what i did worked!..
| short of re-installing windows
|
| well guess what jeff..i figured it out..
| and fixed my Kt7 motherboard..
| and im thinking this might be a big problem with more peoples
| computers then most people know about...
|
| it has to do with a manufacturing defect with MILLION AND MILLIONS
| of capacitors that were put in almost every mother board made
| Abits..Msi..Giga-bytes...ALL OF THEM..
|
| i found this web site..http://www.badcaps.net
|
| and i read this page.....http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=4
| **this is the page that explains how it all happened**
|
| and i read their fourm...http://www.badcaps.net/forum/
| to find out how to fix it..
|
| well i re-capped my motherboard..
| and soldered all new Nichicon caps in my board
|
| and replaced all my **bluging TP-cons**..i replaced them all..all the
| caps on the board..
| there is picture apon picture of these bluging defective capacitors
| in their fourm
| from peoples post's in it...
| i wonder how many people have this problem and don't even know..
| and i wonder how many boards have been thrown out because of it..
|
| well now my mother board runs better then it did brand new..
| it runs like superman on steroids..lol..
|
| i wish i would have read those articles years ago because all the
| problems i ever encountered were probably all related to this
| problem..
| till one day...it got so bad..
| it wouldent work no more..
| and my mother board died
|
| plus!!!
| i had 2 power supplys i bought over the years that died..
| a 350 watt one..
| and a 400 watt one..
| guess what..
| i replaced 6 caps in one..for like 4 dollars
| and 5 caps in the other for 3 dollars..
| they work now!!!!
| i wish i would have knew..
| i would have not had to buy third power supply for 65 bucks..
|
| i have a 32 inch TV i bought a few years back..
| the top and bottom of the picture
| got big black lines in them..top and bottom..like 3 inches wide..
|
| so i bought a new TV for like 400 bucks..
| because my old one went bad with those big black lines..
| well guess what...
| i replaced 1 cap..for 65 cents..
| and now my TV works again...
|
| lol..im going Cap replace crazy..lol...
|
| i wish i would have read that web page years ago...
| i would have saved alot of money..
| anyways..
|
| maybe alot of problems people think are caused by this or that
| really might just be bad caps...
| im going to check those first thing from now on !!!!!
|
| back to my hard drive...
| well..
| i put that hard drive back in my RECAPED Kt7...and its seeing it..
| nothing was wrong with the hard drive to start...
| it was the stupid Compaq system..
|
| BUT!!!
| BUT
| but i did some things to the Hard drive using TESTDISK..
| that the developer of TESTDISK had me do..
| like changing things on the master boot thing i think...
|
| and now the files arent acessable...
| i see funny looking files and folders
| they all have funny symbols..
| insted of the names..
| and...i dont know...
| i think i messed stuff up doing what he said to do..
| ..anyways...i'll look into that..
| and try to find out what things i did..
| so i can tell you what i did..
| its hard talking to that guy..
| i dont think he speeks english.....im guessing..
|
| i'll do that in my next post to you..
|
| but yeah it was that gay AZZ Compaq...nothing was wrong with the hard
| drive in the first place...
| it was something in that stupid compaq set up..
| im going to have to ask that TESTDISK guy what i did and how to
| reverse it if i can...
|
| yeah thanks for trying to help me Jeff..
| talk to you soon buddy....
| THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!!!

I'm sure Jeff remembers & is still watching. Few of us can recall he has
gone senile yet & he is wearing triple-thick trifocal glasses! I'm no
expert on caps, & the site you posted won't come up for me; so, answer
Buffalo's questions when you get a chance too. You should hesitate to
recommend a thing that could electrocute us. We get our electro-shock
brain therapy & restarted hearts on an as-needed basis here! Keep us all
informed.

I don't want to step on the toes of your TESTDISK guy, but, yea, try to
recall what he said & what has been done. Was it determined that the
Quantum Fireball Hard Drive had MaxBlast unnecessarily installed? Is the
TESTDISK guy trying to uninstall it or to reinstall it? Maybe post what
MBRWork shows for the MBR on the Fireball. What partition type does it
show?

| "Jeff Richards" wrote:
|
| That's OK - I'm watching.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



 




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