Java Problem

Sorry for the delay in responding. Please see the comments in the
message..and thanks.

Ken


"glee" wrote in message
...
What does it show when you go here? Do you see the applet successfully?
http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml

Yep. The applet dances around just fine.


Configuring Your Web Browser for Java:
http://www.javatester.org/configuring.html

In the section on the Sun page tools, internet options - then advanced,
Java (Sun)...the choice of "Use Java 2" does not appear. The only choice is
"Use JRE 1.5.0_01 for applet" This is checked.

What Version of Java Are You Running?:
http://www.javatester.org/version.html

Java Version: 1.5.0_01 from Sun MIcrosystems


Java Tester - Installing Java:
http://www.javatester.org/installing.html
--

Not sure how to answer this one.

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
~ In memory of our friend, MVP Alex Nichol ~
http://aumha.org/alex.htm
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Ken" none wrote in message
...
Java programs don't run on my machine under Win98(SE). I get big boxes
of
gray, etc with no video content and, if things happen at all, they
happen
very slowly.

I tried uninstalling it (Java 2 Runtime Environment SEv1.4.2_06) and
re-installing it, with no improvement.

To ensure it wasn't the program(s) I was attempting to run, I went to
another machine we have that runs WinME. The programs look fine there.

I am probably doing something fundamentally wrong and would appreciate
getting pointed in the right direction. If this is the wrong newsgroup,
my
apologies and again, I would appreciate a little re-direction.

Thanks,

Ken

"Ken" none wrote in message ...
Sorry for the delay in responding. Please see the comments in the
message..and thanks.

Sorry for the delay here too.....see replies below:

"glee" wrote in message
...
What does it show when you go here? Do you see the applet successfully?
http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml

Yep. The applet dances around just fine.

Well, you said Java doesn't work on your machine, but that's a Java applet you say
dances around fine. So could you please be more specific by giving links to the
applets that don't work.


Configuring Your Web Browser for Java:
http://www.javatester.org/configuring.html

In the section on the Sun page tools, internet options - then advanced,
Java (Sun)...the choice of "Use Java 2" does not appear. The only choice is
"Use JRE 1.5.0_01 for applet" This is checked.

OK, that is what it should say there anyway, not "Java2". You should also have the
Microsoft VM also installed by default (and updated if you have gotten all the
critical updates at Windows Update). Try unchecking the box for "Use JRE 1.5.0_01
for applet" so that the MS Java VM gets used instead, and see if that works better
for the problem applets.

Also, check you settings for Java in Tools Internet Options Security Internet
Zone Custom.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm



What Version of Java Are You Running?:
http://www.javatester.org/version.html

Java Version: 1.5.0_01 from Sun MIcrosystems


Java Tester - Installing Java:
http://www.javatester.org/installing.html
--

Not sure how to answer this one.

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
~ In memory of our friend, MVP Alex Nichol ~
http://aumha.org/alex.htm
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Ken" none wrote in message
...
Java programs don't run on my machine under Win98(SE). I get big boxes
of
gray, etc with no video content and, if things happen at all, they
happen
very slowly.

I tried uninstalling it (Java 2 Runtime Environment SEv1.4.2_06) and
re-installing it, with no improvement.

To ensure it wasn't the program(s) I was attempting to run, I went to
another machine we have that runs WinME. The programs look fine there.

I am probably doing something fundamentally wrong and would appreciate
getting pointed in the right direction. If this is the wrong newsgroup,
my
apologies and again, I would appreciate a little re-direction.

Thanks,

Ken

Glen, I am considering writing to the U.S. Justice Department about the case
between Sun Microsystems and Microsoft and the unfortunate in my opinion lose
of Microsoft Java Virtual Machine which is currently in 3810 build and no
more builds because of decision and last support set to expire on 31st
December 2007 -- at least I have time to try and help Microsoft and the let
the users have freedom of choice between using Suns version of Java or
Microsofts version and again it may make life more difficult having 2
versions of Java but at least it will make life harder for hackers too.
huge grin\

"glee" wrote in message
...
: "Ken" none wrote in message ...
: Sorry for the delay in responding. Please see the comments in the
: message..and thanks.
:
: Sorry for the delay here too.....see replies below:
:
: "glee" wrote in message
: ...
: What does it show when you go here? Do you see the applet
successfully?
: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
:
: Yep. The applet dances around just fine.
:
: Well, you said Java doesn't work on your machine, but that's a Java applet
you say
: dances around fine. So could you please be more specific by giving links
to the
: applets that don't work.
:
:
: Configuring Your Web Browser for Java:
: http://www.javatester.org/configuring.html
:
: In the section on the Sun page tools, internet options - then
advanced,
: Java (Sun)...the choice of "Use Java 2" does not appear. The only choice
is
: "Use JRE 1.5.0_01 for applet" This is checked.
:
: OK, that is what it should say there anyway, not "Java2". You should also
have the
: Microsoft VM also installed by default (and updated if you have gotten all
the
: critical updates at Windows Update). Try unchecking the box for "Use JRE
1.5.0_01
: for applet" so that the MS Java VM gets used instead, and see if that
works better
: for the problem applets.
:
: Also, check you settings for Java in Tools Internet Options Security
Internet
: Zone Custom.
: --
: Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
:
:
:
: What Version of Java Are You Running?:
: http://www.javatester.org/version.html
:
: Java Version: 1.5.0_01 from Sun MIcrosystems
:
:
: Java Tester - Installing Java:
: http://www.javatester.org/installing.html
: --
:
: Not sure how to answer this one.
:
: Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
: ~ In memory of our friend, MVP Alex Nichol ~
: http://aumha.org/alex.htm
: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
:
:
: "Ken" none wrote in message
: ...
: Java programs don't run on my machine under Win98(SE). I get big
boxes
: of
: gray, etc with no video content and, if things happen at all, they
: happen
: very slowly.
:
: I tried uninstalling it (Java 2 Runtime Environment SEv1.4.2_06) and
: re-installing it, with no improvement.
:
: To ensure it wasn't the program(s) I was attempting to run, I went to
: another machine we have that runs WinME. The programs look fine
there.
:
: I am probably doing something fundamentally wrong and would
appreciate
: getting pointed in the right direction. If this is the wrong
newsgroup,
: my
: apologies and again, I would appreciate a little re-direction.
:
: Thanks,
:
: Ken
:
:
:
:
:
:

Why would you be in favor of the microsoft virtual machine? First, the build
number you mention is so old it isn't funny. Microsoft hasn't put any
effort inot the java virtual machine iun quite a while.

Next, it is technoligy directly stolen from sun. Microsoft had a license to
include it with windows and for what ever reason then they changed it to be
incompatable with suns version (hence the brach between the 2). Suns entire
goal was to have a virtual platform that was secure and were coders could
write once and run anywere. Microsoft is now soaking thier efforts into
Dot-net wich is directly competing against java in alot of areas. Even if
Sun did allow them to continue with thier version, it would be phased out by
..net in a matter of time.

Finaly, the hackers. This is the only reason i replied to your lame post.
You couldn't be further from the truth. 2 competing version of the same
thing = 2 different sets of holes to exploit, It does nothign but help
hackers. Microsofts version will be another unpatched verison that comes
with windows, running in the background without a user knowing and it will
be a primary place for attack. Microsoft i sn't exactly known for it's
security or polished products. Usualy they release somethign (besides x-box
stuff) and make you test it then patch the hell out of it. While they aren't
the only companies doing that, they are the most popular and easiest to
target, especialy with a wide open machine on a default install. Microsoft
also always tryed to integrater everything too deeply into the operating
system for various reasons. Because of this a virtual machine comprimise
would expose the entire computer to the attacker of choice. I think you are
really a glutton for punishment to want that.

One version with one maintainer means that the holes get fixed when found.
It elimiinates "problem holes" were they are trying to maintain
compatability between the two. Sun has a much better track record at the
security aspects and feature development of java too. Anyone asking to run
the Microsoft virtual machine is asking for problems.

"Dan" wrote in message
...
Glen, I am considering writing to the U.S. Justice Department about the
case
between Sun Microsystems and Microsoft and the unfortunate in my opinion
lose
of Microsoft Java Virtual Machine which is currently in 3810 build and no
more builds because of decision and last support set to expire on 31st
December 2007 -- at least I have time to try and help Microsoft and the
let
the users have freedom of choice between using Suns version of Java or
Microsofts version and again it may make life more difficult having 2
versions of Java but at least it will make life harder for hackers too.
huge grin\

"glee" wrote in message
...
: "Ken" none wrote in message
...
: Sorry for the delay in responding. Please see the comments in the
: message..and thanks.
:
: Sorry for the delay here too.....see replies below:
:
: "glee" wrote in message
: ...
: What does it show when you go here? Do you see the applet
successfully?
: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
:
: Yep. The applet dances around just fine.
:
: Well, you said Java doesn't work on your machine, but that's a Java
applet
you say
: dances around fine. So could you please be more specific by giving
links
to the
: applets that don't work.
:
:
: Configuring Your Web Browser for Java:
: http://www.javatester.org/configuring.html
:
: In the section on the Sun page tools, internet options - then
advanced,
: Java (Sun)...the choice of "Use Java 2" does not appear. The only
choice
is
: "Use JRE 1.5.0_01 for applet" This is checked.
:
: OK, that is what it should say there anyway, not "Java2". You should
also
have the
: Microsoft VM also installed by default (and updated if you have gotten
all
the
: critical updates at Windows Update). Try unchecking the box for "Use
JRE
1.5.0_01
: for applet" so that the MS Java VM gets used instead, and see if that
works better
: for the problem applets.
:
: Also, check you settings for Java in Tools Internet Options Security
Internet
: Zone Custom.
: --
: Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
:
:
:
: What Version of Java Are You Running?:
: http://www.javatester.org/version.html
:
: Java Version: 1.5.0_01 from Sun MIcrosystems
:
:
: Java Tester - Installing Java:
: http://www.javatester.org/installing.html
: --
:
: Not sure how to answer this one.
:
: Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
: ~ In memory of our friend, MVP Alex Nichol ~
: http://aumha.org/alex.htm
: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
:
:
: "Ken" none wrote in message
: ...
: Java programs don't run on my machine under Win98(SE). I get big
boxes
: of
: gray, etc with no video content and, if things happen at all, they
: happen
: very slowly.
:
: I tried uninstalling it (Java 2 Runtime Environment SEv1.4.2_06)
and
: re-installing it, with no improvement.
:
: To ensure it wasn't the program(s) I was attempting to run, I went
to
: another machine we have that runs WinME. The programs look fine
there.
:
: I am probably doing something fundamentally wrong and would
appreciate
: getting pointed in the right direction. If this is the wrong
newsgroup,
: my
: apologies and again, I would appreciate a little re-direction.
:
: Thanks,
:
: Ken
:
:
:
:
:
:

Nice to see you again -- jazz -- alias aka ArtWilder here -- I used to post
on his machine and I think you are the same jazz that used to be really
knowledgable in this newsgroup. Thanks for the feedback. I will need to
contact Sun Microsystems for their side of the arguement as well as
Microsofts. Remember 98SE is already 6 years old and it is going strong so I
don't think an old version of MSJAVA VIRTUAL MACHINE is necessarily a bad
thing to have --- at least Microsoft should have a final critical update for
98, 98SE and ME to elimate all the security holes that have been found in
Java Version Build 3810.

"jazz" wrote in message
...
: Why would you be in favor of the microsoft virtual machine? First, the
build
: number you mention is so old it isn't funny. Microsoft hasn't put any
: effort inot the java virtual machine iun quite a while.
:
: Next, it is technoligy directly stolen from sun. Microsoft had a license to
: include it with windows and for what ever reason then they changed it to be
: incompatable with suns version (hence the brach between the 2). Suns
entire
: goal was to have a virtual platform that was secure and were coders could
: write once and run anywere. Microsoft is now soaking thier efforts into
: Dot-net wich is directly competing against java in alot of areas. Even if
: Sun did allow them to continue with thier version, it would be phased out
by
: .net in a matter of time.
:
: Finaly, the hackers. This is the only reason i replied to your lame post.
: You couldn't be further from the truth. 2 competing version of the same
: thing = 2 different sets of holes to exploit, It does nothign but help
: hackers. Microsofts version will be another unpatched verison that comes
: with windows, running in the background without a user knowing and it will
: be a primary place for attack. Microsoft i sn't exactly known for it's
: security or polished products. Usualy they release somethign (besides x-box
: stuff) and make you test it then patch the hell out of it. While they
aren't
: the only companies doing that, they are the most popular and easiest to
: target, especialy with a wide open machine on a default install. Microsoft
: also always tryed to integrater everything too deeply into the operating
: system for various reasons. Because of this a virtual machine comprimise
: would expose the entire computer to the attacker of choice. I think you
are
: really a glutton for punishment to want that.
:
: One version with one maintainer means that the holes get fixed when found.
: It elimiinates "problem holes" were they are trying to maintain
: compatability between the two. Sun has a much better track record at the
: security aspects and feature development of java too. Anyone asking to run
: the Microsoft virtual machine is asking for problems.
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: Glen, I am considering writing to the U.S. Justice Department about the
: case
: between Sun Microsystems and Microsoft and the unfortunate in my opinion
: lose
: of Microsoft Java Virtual Machine which is currently in 3810 build and no
: more builds because of decision and last support set to expire on 31st
: December 2007 -- at least I have time to try and help Microsoft and the
: let
: the users have freedom of choice between using Suns version of Java or
: Microsofts version and again it may make life more difficult having 2
: versions of Java but at least it will make life harder for hackers too.
: huge grin\
:
: "glee" wrote in message
: ...
: : "Ken" none wrote in message
: ...
: : Sorry for the delay in responding. Please see the comments in the
: : message..and thanks.
: :
: : Sorry for the delay here too.....see replies below:
: :
: : "glee" wrote in message
: : ...
: : What does it show when you go here? Do you see the applet
: successfully?
: : http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
: :
: : Yep. The applet dances around just fine.
: :
: : Well, you said Java doesn't work on your machine, but that's a Java
: applet
: you say
: : dances around fine. So could you please be more specific by giving
: links
: to the
: : applets that don't work.
: :
: :
: : Configuring Your Web Browser for Java:
: : http://www.javatester.org/configuring.html
: :
: : In the section on the Sun page tools, internet options - then
: advanced,
: : Java (Sun)...the choice of "Use Java 2" does not appear. The only
: choice
: is
: : "Use JRE 1.5.0_01 for applet" This is checked.
: :
: : OK, that is what it should say there anyway, not "Java2". You should
: also
: have the
: : Microsoft VM also installed by default (and updated if you have gotten
: all
: the
: : critical updates at Windows Update). Try unchecking the box for "Use
: JRE
: 1.5.0_01
: : for applet" so that the MS Java VM gets used instead, and see if that
: works better
: : for the problem applets.
: :
: : Also, check you settings for Java in Tools Internet Options Security
: Internet
: : Zone Custom.
: : --
: : Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
: : http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: :
: :
: :
: : What Version of Java Are You Running?:
: : http://www.javatester.org/version.html
: :
: : Java Version: 1.5.0_01 from Sun MIcrosystems
: :
: :
: : Java Tester - Installing Java:
: : http://www.javatester.org/installing.html
: : --
: :
: : Not sure how to answer this one.
: :
: : Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
: : ~ In memory of our friend, MVP Alex Nichol ~
: : http://aumha.org/alex.htm
: : http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: :
: :
: : "Ken" none wrote in message
: : ...
: : Java programs don't run on my machine under Win98(SE). I get big
: boxes
: : of
: : gray, etc with no video content and, if things happen at all,
they
: : happen
: : very slowly.
: :
: : I tried uninstalling it (Java 2 Runtime Environment SEv1.4.2_06)
: and
: : re-installing it, with no improvement.
: :
: : To ensure it wasn't the program(s) I was attempting to run, I
went
: to
: : another machine we have that runs WinME. The programs look fine
: there.
: :
: : I am probably doing something fundamentally wrong and would
: appreciate
: : getting pointed in the right direction. If this is the wrong
: newsgroup,
: : my
: : apologies and again, I would appreciate a little re-direction.
: :
: : Thanks,
: :
: : Ken
: :
: :
: :
: :
: :
: :
:
:
:
:

"glee" wrote in message
...
"Ken" none wrote in message
...
Sorry for the delay in responding. Please see the comments in the
message..and thanks.

Sorry for the delay here too.....see replies below:

"glee" wrote in message
...
What does it show when you go here? Do you see the applet
successfully?
http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml

Yep. The applet dances around just fine.

Well, you said Java doesn't work on your machine, but that's a Java applet
you say
dances around fine. So could you please be more specific by giving links
to the
applets that don't work.

I am attempting to run a program called Mobile Basic 2.1 which is located at
www.mobilebasic.com. When I try to run it, the screen images tend to be
blocks without any content. If I mouse over some of the pull down menus,
etc, the text does appear. If I move on of the data windows around, it
leaves traces on the screen. I enclosed some screen shots he

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gemsto...SW7uCBeKjuwl.V

The third one illustrates the "traces on the screen" problem. Sometimes,
when closing the program, artifacts of it remain on the screen until I do a
screen update.

For whatever reason, it does seem to run a little better with Sun Java
de-selected, per the advice below. However, to be fair, it may be more
"different" than "better".

I selected the security defaults.

Does this help understand the problem?

Thanks...

Ken



Configuring Your Web Browser for Java:
http://www.javatester.org/configuring.html

In the section on the Sun page tools, internet options - then
advanced,
Java (Sun)...the choice of "Use Java 2" does not appear. The only choice
is
"Use JRE 1.5.0_01 for applet" This is checked.

OK, that is what it should say there anyway, not "Java2". You should also
have the
Microsoft VM also installed by default (and updated if you have gotten all
the
critical updates at Windows Update). Try unchecking the box for "Use JRE
1.5.0_01
for applet" so that the MS Java VM gets used instead, and see if that
works better
for the problem applets.

Also, check you settings for Java in Tools Internet Options Security
Internet
Zone Custom.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm



What Version of Java Are You Running?:
http://www.javatester.org/version.html

Java Version: 1.5.0_01 from Sun MIcrosystems


Java Tester - Installing Java:
http://www.javatester.org/installing.html
--

Not sure how to answer this one.

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
~ In memory of our friend, MVP Alex Nichol ~
http://aumha.org/alex.htm
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Ken" none wrote in message
...
Java programs don't run on my machine under Win98(SE). I get big
boxes
of
gray, etc with no video content and, if things happen at all, they
happen
very slowly.

I tried uninstalling it (Java 2 Runtime Environment SEv1.4.2_06) and
re-installing it, with no improvement.

To ensure it wasn't the program(s) I was attempting to run, I went
to
another machine we have that runs WinME. The programs look fine
there.

I am probably doing something fundamentally wrong and would
appreciate
getting pointed in the right direction. If this is the wrong
newsgroup,
my
apologies and again, I would appreciate a little re-direction.

Thanks,

Ken