Windows 98 SE freezes after adding more RAM

Hi,
I have an IBM Aptiva 2178-840 with 128 RAM, now I tried to add more ram and
bought another 128 MB. The card installs without a problem and the system
seems to work fine, but just before the icons are placed on the desktop in
windows the system freezes and it is impossible to do an Alt, Ctrl, Del. I
have tried to restart the system in safe mode and that works well, it opens
all the way and tells me that I now have 256 MB RAM, but I don't know where
to go from here to have it work in regular mode as well?

I did a "clean up" on the computer last night, and checked for AD-ware
earlier today, so I don't think that is a problem.

Aina


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Try removing the new ram and see if the boot problem continues. If not,
change the slots and install the new ram where the old one was and the old
one in the empty slot. Sometimes ram modules will not match and problems
ensue; however, I don't recall hearing of that happening but not when in
safe mode.

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Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
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"Aina Nilsen" wrote in message
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Hi,
I have an IBM Aptiva 2178-840 with 128 RAM, now I tried to add more ram
and
bought another 128 MB. The card installs without a problem and the system
seems to work fine, but just before the icons are placed on the desktop in
windows the system freezes and it is impossible to do an Alt, Ctrl, Del.
I
have tried to restart the system in safe mode and that works well, it
opens
all the way and tells me that I now have 256 MB RAM, but I don't know
where
to go from here to have it work in regular mode as well?

I did a "clean up" on the computer last night, and checked for AD-ware
earlier today, so I don't think that is a problem.

Aina


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-----Original Message-----
Hi,
I have an IBM Aptiva 2178-840 with 128 RAM, now I tried
to add more ram and
bought another 128 MB. The card installs without a
problem and the system
seems to work fine, but just before the icons are placed
on the desktop in
windows the system freezes and it is impossible to do an
Alt, Ctrl, Del. I
have tried to restart the system in safe mode and that
works well, it opens
all the way and tells me that I now have 256 MB RAM, but
I don't know where
to go from here to have it work in regular mode as well?

I did a "clean up" on the computer last night, and
checked for AD-ware
earlier today, so I don't think that is a problem.

Aina


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.Since the machine recognizes the total amount of Ram, it
sounds like they are imcompatible. I'm not sure what type
of Ram that is in the Aptiva, so my first comment is that
you may not have matched the new Ram with the same type as
the existing, i.e. DDR, SDR, EDO with or without error
correction, my second question is did you buy Ram specific
for IBM? Dell, IBM, Compaq usually "tweek" their ram so
quite often other types of Ram do not work well in these
machines. Hope this helps you solve your problem.

"Ron Badour" skrev i melding
...
Try removing the new ram and see if the boot problem continues. If not,
change the slots and install the new ram where the old one was and the old
one in the empty slot. Sometimes ram modules will not match and problems
ensue; however, I don't recall hearing of that happening but not when in
safe mode.

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Aina Nilsen" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I have an IBM Aptiva 2178-840 with 128 RAM, now I tried to add more ram
and
bought another 128 MB. The card installs without a problem and the
system
seems to work fine, but just before the icons are placed on the desktop
in
windows the system freezes and it is impossible to do an Alt, Ctrl, Del.
I
have tried to restart the system in safe mode and that works well, it
opens
all the way and tells me that I now have 256 MB RAM, but I don't know
where
to go from here to have it work in regular mode as well?

I did a "clean up" on the computer last night, and checked for AD-ware
earlier today, so I don't think that is a problem.

Aina

I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
computer on weekends most of the time

Without the new RAM I have no boot problems. I tried to change the slots,
but then the computer froze after giving me the first screen telling it is
an Apitva. I was told to press F1 to go to control ? (translation), but
nothing happened if I tried that.

Aina


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-----Original Message-----
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.Since the machine recognizes the total amount of Ram, it
sounds like they are imcompatible. I'm not sure what type
of Ram that is in the Aptiva, so my first comment is that
you may not have matched the new Ram with the same type as
the existing, i.e. DDR, SDR, EDO with or without error
correction, my second question is did you buy Ram specific
for IBM? Dell, IBM, Compaq usually "tweek" their ram so
quite often other types of Ram do not work well in these
machines. Hope this helps you solve your problem.

I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
computer on weekends most of the time.

It should be the same type of Ram, but it isn't IBM spesific, so I may have
a problem with that. I'm just surprised that it seems to work half way,
since it seems to be working in safe mode. I assumed that if I needed IBM
spesific Ram it would not work at all?

Aina,
who will never buy an IBM or other brand name PC again. My even older "bits
and pieces" clone never gave me this kind of trouble.




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On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:54:07 +0200, "Aina Nilsen"
wrote:


"Peter C." skrev i melding
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-----Original Message-----
snip
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.Since the machine recognizes the total amount of Ram, it
sounds like they are imcompatible. I'm not sure what type
of Ram that is in the Aptiva, so my first comment is that
you may not have matched the new Ram with the same type as
the existing, i.e. DDR, SDR, EDO with or without error
correction, my second question is did you buy Ram specific
for IBM? Dell, IBM, Compaq usually "tweek" their ram so
quite often other types of Ram do not work well in these
machines. Hope this helps you solve your problem.

I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
computer on weekends most of the time.

It should be the same type of Ram, but it isn't IBM spesific, so I may have
a problem with that. I'm just surprised that it seems to work half way,
since it seems to be working in safe mode. I assumed that if I needed IBM
spesific Ram it would not work at all?

Aina,
who will never buy an IBM or other brand name PC again. My even older "bits
and pieces" clone never gave me this kind of trouble.


Try going to PNY and see what type of RAM you need according to their
Configurator: http://www.pny.com/configurator/ , perhaps you have the
totally wrong type. I was able to max out my RAM via that method:

Size PNY Part Number Retail Part Number OEM Part Number
64MB SDR Module 6480YESEM 64S100 308877-001
128MB SDR Module 6416ZESEM 128S100 308878-001



Additional Specs for Presario 5304
Machine Type: Desktops/Servers
Manufacturer: Compaq
Model: Presario 5304
Standard Memory: 64 MB (removable)
Number of sockets for upgrade: 3
Maximum amount of memory: 384 MB
Memory must be installed in sets of: 1
Bus Type: PCI/ISA/AGP
HardDisk Bustype: UDMA
CPU: 366MHz Cyrix M II
Standard Videos: 4 MB
Max Video:
Video Slots:
Video Comments: Integrated 2X AGP 3D Graphics
HardDisk Comments: 4.3 GB UltrDMA
Model Comments:
CPU Comments:
Native OS: Windows 98

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Sincerely,

Andrew H. Carter

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On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:54:07 +0200, "Aina Nilsen"
wrote:


"Peter C." skrev i melding
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-----Original Message-----
snip
---


.Since the machine recognizes the total amount of Ram, it
sounds like they are imcompatible. I'm not sure what type
of Ram that is in the Aptiva, so my first comment is that
you may not have matched the new Ram with the same type as
the existing, i.e. DDR, SDR, EDO with or without error
correction, my second question is did you buy Ram specific
for IBM? Dell, IBM, Compaq usually "tweek" their ram so
quite often other types of Ram do not work well in these
machines. Hope this helps you solve your problem.

I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
computer on weekends most of the time.

It should be the same type of Ram, but it isn't IBM spesific, so I may
have
a problem with that. I'm just surprised that it seems to work half way,
since it seems to be working in safe mode. I assumed that if I needed IBM
spesific Ram it would not work at all?

Aina,
who will never buy an IBM or other brand name PC again. My even older
"bits
and pieces" clone never gave me this kind of trouble.


Try going to PNY and see what type of RAM you need according to their
Configurator: http://www.pny.com/configurator/ , perhaps you have the
totally wrong type. I was able to max out my RAM via that method:

Size PNY Part Number Retail Part Number OEM Part Number
64MB SDR Module 6480YESEM 64S100 308877-001
128MB SDR Module 6416ZESEM 128S100 308878-001


Thank you for the link, unfortunately I could not find my computer, they
didn't seem to have the IBM Aptiva 2178-840 on their lists.

kind regards
Aina



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On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:25:02 +0200, "Aina Nilsen"
wrote:


"Andrew H. Carter (Applied ROT 17 Left ; for Email do ROT 17 right)"
skrev i melding
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:54:07 +0200, "Aina Nilsen"
wrote:


"Peter C." skrev i melding
...

-----Original Message-----
snip
---


.Since the machine recognizes the total amount of Ram, it
sounds like they are imcompatible. I'm not sure what type
of Ram that is in the Aptiva, so my first comment is that
you may not have matched the new Ram with the same type as
the existing, i.e. DDR, SDR, EDO with or without error
correction, my second question is did you buy Ram specific
for IBM? Dell, IBM, Compaq usually "tweek" their ram so
quite often other types of Ram do not work well in these
machines. Hope this helps you solve your problem.

I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
computer on weekends most of the time.

It should be the same type of Ram, but it isn't IBM spesific, so I may
have
a problem with that. I'm just surprised that it seems to work half way,
since it seems to be working in safe mode. I assumed that if I needed IBM
spesific Ram it would not work at all?

Aina,
who will never buy an IBM or other brand name PC again. My even older
"bits
and pieces" clone never gave me this kind of trouble.


Try going to PNY and see what type of RAM you need according to their
Configurator: http://www.pny.com/configurator/ , perhaps you have the
totally wrong type. I was able to max out my RAM via that method:

Size PNY Part Number Retail Part Number OEM Part Number
64MB SDR Module 6480YESEM 64S100 308877-001
128MB SDR Module 6416ZESEM 128S100 308878-001


Thank you for the link, unfortunately I could not find my computer, they
didn't seem to have the IBM Aptiva 2178-840 on their lists.

kind regards
Aina


Well, that just bytes, hopefully there is a guru locally who can tell you
what type you need, or tweak your machine.

--

Sincerely,

Andrew H. Carter

Did you try the new ram only? If it works OK, then the problem is seemingly
that the old and new ram do not match. What I cannot explain is why the PC
boots in safe mode--it makes no sense to me but maybe I am overlooking
something. If nobody offers an explanation here, I suggest you contact the
maker of the new ram and ask for their help.

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Aina Nilsen" wrote in message
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"Ron Badour" skrev i melding
...
Try removing the new ram and see if the boot problem continues. If not,
change the slots and install the new ram where the old one was and the
old
one in the empty slot. Sometimes ram modules will not match and
problems
ensue; however, I don't recall hearing of that happening but not when in
safe mode.

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Aina Nilsen" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I have an IBM Aptiva 2178-840 with 128 RAM, now I tried to add more
ram
and
bought another 128 MB. The card installs without a problem and the
system
seems to work fine, but just before the icons are placed on the
desktop
in
windows the system freezes and it is impossible to do an Alt, Ctrl,
Del.
I
have tried to restart the system in safe mode and that works well, it
opens
all the way and tells me that I now have 256 MB RAM, but I don't know
where
to go from here to have it work in regular mode as well?

I did a "clean up" on the computer last night, and checked for AD-ware
earlier today, so I don't think that is a problem.

Aina

I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
computer on weekends most of the time

Without the new RAM I have no boot problems. I tried to change the slots,
but then the computer froze after giving me the first screen telling it is
an Apitva. I was told to press F1 to go to control ? (translation), but
nothing happened if I tried that.

Aina


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I didn't think of trying that one alone, I will try just to see if the
match is the problem. I bought the ram at a store that sells computer parts
with all kind of other stuff, so I doubt they can help me. But it wasn't too
much money, so if I can't make it work it has to be written off as a
learning experience. As I said before, I think I will avoid brand name
computers in the future, they seem more expensive to upgrade than the
clones.

regards
Aina

"Ron Badour" skrev i melding
...
Did you try the new ram only? If it works OK, then the problem is
seemingly
that the old and new ram do not match. What I cannot explain is why the
PC
boots in safe mode--it makes no sense to me but maybe I am overlooking
something. If nobody offers an explanation here, I suggest you contact
the
maker of the new ram and ask for their help.

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Aina Nilsen" wrote in message
...

"Ron Badour" skrev i melding
...
Try removing the new ram and see if the boot problem continues. If
not,
change the slots and install the new ram where the old one was and the
old
one in the empty slot. Sometimes ram modules will not match and
problems
ensue; however, I don't recall hearing of that happening but not when
in
safe mode.

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Aina Nilsen" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I have an IBM Aptiva 2178-840 with 128 RAM, now I tried to add more
ram
and
bought another 128 MB. The card installs without a problem and the
system
seems to work fine, but just before the icons are placed on the
desktop
in
windows the system freezes and it is impossible to do an Alt, Ctrl,
Del.
I
have tried to restart the system in safe mode and that works well,
it
opens
all the way and tells me that I now have 256 MB RAM, but I don't
know
where
to go from here to have it work in regular mode as well?

I did a "clean up" on the computer last night, and checked for
AD-ware
earlier today, so I don't think that is a problem.

Aina

I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I can only work on the
computer on weekends most of the time

Without the new RAM I have no boot problems. I tried to change the
slots,
but then the computer froze after giving me the first screen telling it
is
an Apitva. I was told to press F1 to go to control ? (translation), but
nothing happened if I tried that.

Aina


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