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USB or sound?
cpu: 350mhz, 256mb ram, cd r/w, cd r
I recently replaced hdd, loaded win98 with cabs (restore cd will not boot). With the help of this forum every thing is working well with the exception of a sound problem. I am using Microsoft System 80 digital speakers which connect to usb port. In normal operation it will reproduce analog sound from sound adapter and if digital sound is available it will use this. My problem: 1. It does not reproduce analog sound. (speaker plugged into sound card work). The System 80 digital speakers work ok on another pc. 2. When attempting to install software for same it does not see the speakers on usb. While self diagnosing the software concludes that sound card must be bad. USB controller: USB Root HUB, VIA PCI to USB universal host controller. I have checked status of all devices in device manager and all are "working normally". I'm stumped, do I have a usb or sound problem? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Bill |
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"Bill Cole" wrote in message
... I recently replaced hdd, loaded win98 with cabs . . . (restore cd will not boot). With the help of this forum every thing is working well with the exception of a sound problem. I am using Microsoft System 80 digital speakers which connect to usb port. In normal operation it will reproduce analog sound from sound adapter and if digital sound is available it will use this. My problem: 1. It does not reproduce analog sound. (speaker plugged into sound card work). The System 80 digital speakers work ok on another pc. 2. When attempting to install software for same it does not see the speakers on usb. While self diagnosing the software concludes that sound card must be bad. USB controller: USB Root HUB, VIA PCI to USB universal host controller. OS Win98 supplied only version 1 of USB protocol, which was rapidly superseded by USB.2 (provided in Win98SE.) If your OS is Win98 its USB.1 may be unable to drive the speakers. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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I'm not at all familiar with the speakers, but this appears to be what you refer to:
http://www.activewin.com/reviews/har.../ms_dss80.html Perhaps I am not reading it correctly, but it seems to state that bypassing the sound card and using USB will produce digital sound, and that if you want analog sound you must connect to the sound card. From your description, I cannot tell what you are doing or trying to do, as you state that "speaker plugged into sound card work". quote ....the DSS 80 set can actually transmit digital audio via USB if your system can handle it. Because the subwoofer has its own DSP, sound can bypass your sound card altogether, leaving your machine as unfettered digital information. In all-digital mode, CDs sound fabulous and games are crystal clear. A ten-band graphic equalizer and Microsoft Surround Sound technology are both available strictly through USB as well. That said, there are plenty of compelling reasons to keep your sound card and use the speakers in analog mode. Without a sound card, you'll probably lose your joystick port and you'll definitely lose any 3D sound features in modern sound cards. Some CD-ROMs (primarily SCSI and slow, cheap units) can't output CD audio as digital data, so you'd need a sound card. DVDs, right now, can't be output as digital audio without using SP/DIF, which the DSS 80 doesn't natively support. Even in analog mode, the speakers sound fabulous, though audio nuts or technofreaks will want to go all digital. Because the DSS 80 DSP shares the burden of producing sound in an all-digital scenario, there can be some performance issues as well. On a Pentium 233MMX, EA's World Cup 98 showed some sound stuttering in all-digital mode, though a faster machine would probably not have that problem. The speakers also didn't like digital mode with a Umax Astra 1220U USB scanner attached to the same machine. A combination of digital and analog mode seems to work best. /quote -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill Cole" wrote in message ... cpu: 350mhz, 256mb ram, cd r/w, cd r I recently replaced hdd, loaded win98 with cabs (restore cd will not boot). With the help of this forum every thing is working well with the exception of a sound problem. I am using Microsoft System 80 digital speakers which connect to usb port. In normal operation it will reproduce analog sound from sound adapter and if digital sound is available it will use this. My problem: 1. It does not reproduce analog sound. (speaker plugged into sound card work). The System 80 digital speakers work ok on another pc. 2. When attempting to install software for same it does not see the speakers on usb. While self diagnosing the software concludes that sound card must be bad. USB controller: USB Root HUB, VIA PCI to USB universal host controller. I have checked status of all devices in device manager and all are "working normally". I'm stumped, do I have a usb or sound problem? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Bill |
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glee,
I should have said "oem speaker plugged into sound card works". I got the DSS working by deselecting in "device manager" and reinstalling base5.cab. "connection wizzard" said the file you have selected is older than the one installed, I chose to replace anyway and that fixed dss. I just got lucky. btw microsoft does not admit to any connection with dss. thanks for your help. bill "glee" wrote in message ... I'm not at all familiar with the speakers, but this appears to be what you refer to: http://www.activewin.com/reviews/har.../ms_dss80.html Perhaps I am not reading it correctly, but it seems to state that bypassing the sound card and using USB will produce digital sound, and that if you want analog sound you must connect to the sound card. From your description, I cannot tell what you are doing or trying to do, as you state that "speaker plugged into sound card work". quote ...the DSS 80 set can actually transmit digital audio via USB if your system can handle it. Because the subwoofer has its own DSP, sound can bypass your sound card altogether, leaving your machine as unfettered digital information. In all-digital mode, CDs sound fabulous and games are crystal clear. A ten-band graphic equalizer and Microsoft Surround Sound technology are both available strictly through USB as well. That said, there are plenty of compelling reasons to keep your sound card and use the speakers in analog mode. Without a sound card, you'll probably lose your joystick port and you'll definitely lose any 3D sound features in modern sound cards. Some CD-ROMs (primarily SCSI and slow, cheap units) can't output CD audio as digital data, so you'd need a sound card. DVDs, right now, can't be output as digital audio without using SP/DIF, which the DSS 80 doesn't natively support. Even in analog mode, the speakers sound fabulous, though audio nuts or technofreaks will want to go all digital. Because the DSS 80 DSP shares the burden of producing sound in an all-digital scenario, there can be some performance issues as well. On a Pentium 233MMX, EA's World Cup 98 showed some sound stuttering in all-digital mode, though a faster machine would probably not have that problem. The speakers also didn't like digital mode with a Umax Astra 1220U USB scanner attached to the same machine. A combination of digital and analog mode seems to work best. /quote -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill Cole" wrote in message ... cpu: 350mhz, 256mb ram, cd r/w, cd r I recently replaced hdd, loaded win98 with cabs (restore cd will not boot). With the help of this forum every thing is working well with the exception of a sound problem. I am using Microsoft System 80 digital speakers which connect to usb port. In normal operation it will reproduce analog sound from sound adapter and if digital sound is available it will use this. My problem: 1. It does not reproduce analog sound. (speaker plugged into sound card work). The System 80 digital speakers work ok on another pc. 2. When attempting to install software for same it does not see the speakers on usb. While self diagnosing the software concludes that sound card must be bad. USB controller: USB Root HUB, VIA PCI to USB universal host controller. I have checked status of all devices in device manager and all are "working normally". I'm stumped, do I have a usb or sound problem? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Bill |
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Reinstalling *what* from Base5.cab??? Base5.cab, as all the .cab files, contains
compressed copies of all the files needed for installation. You don't just "install base5.cab". Please tell us what you did exactly. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill Cole" wrote in message ... glee, I should have said "oem speaker plugged into sound card works". I got the DSS working by deselecting in "device manager" and reinstalling base5.cab. "connection wizzard" said the file you have selected is older than the one installed, I chose to replace anyway and that fixed dss. I just got lucky. btw microsoft does not admit to any connection with dss. thanks for your help. bill "glee" wrote in message ... I'm not at all familiar with the speakers, but this appears to be what you refer to: http://www.activewin.com/reviews/har.../ms_dss80.html Perhaps I am not reading it correctly, but it seems to state that bypassing the sound card and using USB will produce digital sound, and that if you want analog sound you must connect to the sound card. From your description, I cannot tell what you are doing or trying to do, as you state that "speaker plugged into sound card work". quote ...the DSS 80 set can actually transmit digital audio via USB if your system can handle it. Because the subwoofer has its own DSP, sound can bypass your sound card altogether, leaving your machine as unfettered digital information. In all-digital mode, CDs sound fabulous and games are crystal clear. A ten-band graphic equalizer and Microsoft Surround Sound technology are both available strictly through USB as well. That said, there are plenty of compelling reasons to keep your sound card and use the speakers in analog mode. Without a sound card, you'll probably lose your joystick port and you'll definitely lose any 3D sound features in modern sound cards. Some CD-ROMs (primarily SCSI and slow, cheap units) can't output CD audio as digital data, so you'd need a sound card. DVDs, right now, can't be output as digital audio without using SP/DIF, which the DSS 80 doesn't natively support. Even in analog mode, the speakers sound fabulous, though audio nuts or technofreaks will want to go all digital. Because the DSS 80 DSP shares the burden of producing sound in an all-digital scenario, there can be some performance issues as well. On a Pentium 233MMX, EA's World Cup 98 showed some sound stuttering in all-digital mode, though a faster machine would probably not have that problem. The speakers also didn't like digital mode with a Umax Astra 1220U USB scanner attached to the same machine. A combination of digital and analog mode seems to work best. /quote -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill Cole" wrote in message ... cpu: 350mhz, 256mb ram, cd r/w, cd r I recently replaced hdd, loaded win98 with cabs (restore cd will not boot). With the help of this forum every thing is working well with the exception of a sound problem. I am using Microsoft System 80 digital speakers which connect to usb port. In normal operation it will reproduce analog sound from sound adapter and if digital sound is available it will use this. My problem: 1. It does not reproduce analog sound. (speaker plugged into sound card work). The System 80 digital speakers work ok on another pc. 2. When attempting to install software for same it does not see the speakers on usb. While self diagnosing the software concludes that sound card must be bad. USB controller: USB Root HUB, VIA PCI to USB universal host controller. I have checked status of all devices in device manager and all are "working normally". I'm stumped, do I have a usb or sound problem? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Bill |
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glee, I should have said I deselected dss in "device manager" and
pointed to base5cab when "connection wizzard" asked where to install driver from. Is that more clear? thanks again, bill "glee" wrote in message ... Reinstalling *what* from Base5.cab??? Base5.cab, as all the .cab files, contains compressed copies of all the files needed for installation. You don't just "install base5.cab". Please tell us what you did exactly. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill Cole" wrote in message ... glee, I should have said "oem speaker plugged into sound card works". I got the DSS working by deselecting in "device manager" and reinstalling base5.cab. "connection wizzard" said the file you have selected is older than the one installed, I chose to replace anyway and that fixed dss. I just got lucky. btw microsoft does not admit to any connection with dss. thanks for your help. bill "glee" wrote in message ... I'm not at all familiar with the speakers, but this appears to be what you refer to: http://www.activewin.com/reviews/har.../ms_dss80.html Perhaps I am not reading it correctly, but it seems to state that bypassing the sound card and using USB will produce digital sound, and that if you want analog sound you must connect to the sound card. From your description, I cannot tell what you are doing or trying to do, as you state that "speaker plugged into sound card work". quote ...the DSS 80 set can actually transmit digital audio via USB if your system can handle it. Because the subwoofer has its own DSP, sound can bypass your sound card altogether, leaving your machine as unfettered digital information. In all-digital mode, CDs sound fabulous and games are crystal clear. A ten-band graphic equalizer and Microsoft Surround Sound technology are both available strictly through USB as well. That said, there are plenty of compelling reasons to keep your sound card and use the speakers in analog mode. Without a sound card, you'll probably lose your joystick port and you'll definitely lose any 3D sound features in modern sound cards. Some CD-ROMs (primarily SCSI and slow, cheap units) can't output CD audio as digital data, so you'd need a sound card. DVDs, right now, can't be output as digital audio without using SP/DIF, which the DSS 80 doesn't natively support. Even in analog mode, the speakers sound fabulous, though audio nuts or technofreaks will want to go all digital. Because the DSS 80 DSP shares the burden of producing sound in an all-digital scenario, there can be some performance issues as well. On a Pentium 233MMX, EA's World Cup 98 showed some sound stuttering in all-digital mode, though a faster machine would probably not have that problem. The speakers also didn't like digital mode with a Umax Astra 1220U USB scanner attached to the same machine. A combination of digital and analog mode seems to work best. /quote -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill Cole" wrote in message ... cpu: 350mhz, 256mb ram, cd r/w, cd r I recently replaced hdd, loaded win98 with cabs (restore cd will not boot). With the help of this forum every thing is working well with the exception of a sound problem. I am using Microsoft System 80 digital speakers which connect to usb port. In normal operation it will reproduce analog sound from sound adapter and if digital sound is available it will use this. My problem: 1. It does not reproduce analog sound. (speaker plugged into sound card work). The System 80 digital speakers work ok on another pc. 2. When attempting to install software for same it does not see the speakers on usb. While self diagnosing the software concludes that sound card must be bad. USB controller: USB Root HUB, VIA PCI to USB universal host controller. I have checked status of all devices in device manager and all are "working normally". I'm stumped, do I have a usb or sound problem? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Bill |
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Sure....but how did you know what .cab file to point it to? Did you already know
what files it needed ahead of time, and where they were? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill Cole" wrote in message ... glee, I should have said I deselected dss in "device manager" and pointed to base5cab when "connection wizzard" asked where to install driver from. Is that more clear? thanks again, bill "glee" wrote in message ... Reinstalling *what* from Base5.cab??? Base5.cab, as all the .cab files, contains compressed copies of all the files needed for installation. You don't just "install base5.cab". Please tell us what you did exactly. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill Cole" wrote in message ... glee, I should have said "oem speaker plugged into sound card works". I got the DSS working by deselecting in "device manager" and reinstalling base5.cab. "connection wizzard" said the file you have selected is older than the one installed, I chose to replace anyway and that fixed dss. I just got lucky. btw microsoft does not admit to any connection with dss. thanks for your help. bill "glee" wrote in message ... I'm not at all familiar with the speakers, but this appears to be what you refer to: http://www.activewin.com/reviews/har.../ms_dss80.html Perhaps I am not reading it correctly, but it seems to state that bypassing the sound card and using USB will produce digital sound, and that if you want analog sound you must connect to the sound card. From your description, I cannot tell what you are doing or trying to do, as you state that "speaker plugged into sound card work". quote ...the DSS 80 set can actually transmit digital audio via USB if your system can handle it. Because the subwoofer has its own DSP, sound can bypass your sound card altogether, leaving your machine as unfettered digital information. In all-digital mode, CDs sound fabulous and games are crystal clear. A ten-band graphic equalizer and Microsoft Surround Sound technology are both available strictly through USB as well. That said, there are plenty of compelling reasons to keep your sound card and use the speakers in analog mode. Without a sound card, you'll probably lose your joystick port and you'll definitely lose any 3D sound features in modern sound cards. Some CD-ROMs (primarily SCSI and slow, cheap units) can't output CD audio as digital data, so you'd need a sound card. DVDs, right now, can't be output as digital audio without using SP/DIF, which the DSS 80 doesn't natively support. Even in analog mode, the speakers sound fabulous, though audio nuts or technofreaks will want to go all digital. Because the DSS 80 DSP shares the burden of producing sound in an all-digital scenario, there can be some performance issues as well. On a Pentium 233MMX, EA's World Cup 98 showed some sound stuttering in all-digital mode, though a faster machine would probably not have that problem. The speakers also didn't like digital mode with a Umax Astra 1220U USB scanner attached to the same machine. A combination of digital and analog mode seems to work best. /quote -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill Cole" wrote in message ... cpu: 350mhz, 256mb ram, cd r/w, cd r I recently replaced hdd, loaded win98 with cabs (restore cd will not boot). With the help of this forum every thing is working well with the exception of a sound problem. I am using Microsoft System 80 digital speakers which connect to usb port. In normal operation it will reproduce analog sound from sound adapter and if digital sound is available it will use this. My problem: 1. It does not reproduce analog sound. (speaker plugged into sound card work). The System 80 digital speakers work ok on another pc. 2. When attempting to install software for same it does not see the speakers on usb. While self diagnosing the software concludes that sound card must be bad. USB controller: USB Root HUB, VIA PCI to USB universal host controller. I have checked status of all devices in device manager and all are "working normally". I'm stumped, do I have a usb or sound problem? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Bill |
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