Win98 boots up very slowly...

You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that improves
things.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup, safe
mode
startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or wallpaper
either.
I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank desktop
stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load. Is this
normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the delay? Is this
something to do with video-mode switching if it isn't normal? Thanks.
Steve



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive tests.
It
jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and 12%.
Anyone
have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please) that I may try?
Also,
thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep
searching
for a resolution. Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're experiencing.
Don't
know what to think about that. Another shot in the dark. HD access
time
could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled. Right
click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives, Properties,
Settings.

The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU
Utilization
(over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled.

http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you suggested to
get
the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2 minute boot up. I did a full
up
to
date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000 files. I
cleared
all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again and
still
no
improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in control
panel
and
looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This is a
real
challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem gets
resolved. Thanks for your continued help.

Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You may
have
some
parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To reset
them
to
defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select Properties.
'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to reboot
after
deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install, choose
'Add'
then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP.

Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset other
parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything in
Device
Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem.
I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not physically)
and
tried
updating the driver and also tried different settings in "Network'
in
control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and
everything
seems
back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any other
ideas
on
this challenging problem? Thanks.
Steve

"mdp" wrote in message
...
I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode to
verify
you
don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or anything else for
that
matter.
Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I
would
say
that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC.
Deleting
it
in
safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only one is
installed
and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the following
steps
in
the
order shown:

1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown
2. Physically uninstall the NIC
3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during boot.
Check
your boot times. Shutdown.
4. Physically install the NIC
5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot (Windows
should
ask
to do this)

BTW - What does "fooled with" mean?

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Alan,

Yes, I have already removed the network card via control panel
and
then
reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No difference
with
the
slow
startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from a
normal
30 -45
second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton
Antivirus
(with
up
to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware
proggies.
Any
other ideas are welcome.
Steve




"Alan" wrote in message
...
Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager? If
you
want
to
do
it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to normal.
Check
the
Device
Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may
even
find
that
you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode. When
Windows
reboots
from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying any
new
hardware
etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD rom
in
the
reader
before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install. When
windows
restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware and
reinstall.
Alan

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the Quick
Logon
setting
but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve

"PattyL" wrote in message
...
In the network properties, Client for Microsoft Networks
properties,
make
sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than Logon
and
restore
network connections under Network logon options. That way
the
system
does
not attempt to establish a session with other computers on
the
network
until
you attempt to access one.

PattyL


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network card.
Now
WIN98
(1st
edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank desktop
for
over
2
minutes, then the icons start to load and everything
goes
as
normal.
I
reinstalled the network card drivers several times, did
updated
NAV
scans,
spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows
Ndis2sup.vxd
failed
(but
I
read that's normal). This is not a
ram problem or such. There must be some setting or
conflict
with
something.
I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding
something
(like
a
network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or
other?
Thanks.

Steve L

Another hunch, have you tried uninstalling or disabling Goback?

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that improves
things.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup, safe
mode
startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or wallpaper
either.
I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank desktop
stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load. Is this
normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the delay? Is this
something to do with video-mode switching if it isn't normal? Thanks.
Steve



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive tests.
It
jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and 12%.
Anyone
have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please) that I may try?
Also,
thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep
searching
for a resolution. Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're experiencing.
Don't
know what to think about that. Another shot in the dark. HD access
time
could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled.
Right
click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives, Properties,
Settings.

The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU
Utilization
(over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled.

http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you suggested to
get
the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2 minute boot up. I did a full
up
to
date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000 files. I
cleared
all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again and
still
no
improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in control
panel
and
looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This is a
real
challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem gets
resolved. Thanks for your continued help.

Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You may
have
some
parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To
reset
them
to
defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select
Properties.
'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to reboot
after
deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install, choose
'Add'
then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP.

Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset other
parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything in
Device
Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem.
I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not physically)
and
tried
updating the driver and also tried different settings in
"Network'
in
control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and
everything
seems
back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any other
ideas
on
this challenging problem? Thanks.
Steve

"mdp" wrote in message
...
I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode to
verify
you
don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or anything else for
that
matter.
Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I
would
say
that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC.
Deleting
it
in
safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only one
is
installed
and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the following
steps
in
the
order shown:

1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown
2. Physically uninstall the NIC
3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during
boot.
Check
your boot times. Shutdown.
4. Physically install the NIC
5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot
(Windows
should
ask
to do this)

BTW - What does "fooled with" mean?

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Alan,

Yes, I have already removed the network card via control panel
and
then
reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No difference
with
the
slow
startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from a
normal
30 -45
second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton
Antivirus
(with
up
to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware
proggies.
Any
other ideas are welcome.
Steve




"Alan" wrote in message
...
Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager? If
you
want
to
do
it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to normal.
Check
the
Device
Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may
even
find
that
you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode. When
Windows
reboots
from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying any
new
hardware
etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD rom
in
the
reader
before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install. When
windows
restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware and
reinstall.
Alan

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the Quick
Logon
setting
but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve

"PattyL" wrote in message
...
In the network properties, Client for Microsoft Networks
properties,
make
sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than Logon
and
restore
network connections under Network logon options. That
way
the
system
does
not attempt to establish a session with other computers
on
the
network
until
you attempt to access one.

PattyL


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network card.
Now
WIN98
(1st
edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank desktop
for
over
2
minutes, then the icons start to load and everything
goes
as
normal.
I
reinstalled the network card drivers several times, did
updated
NAV
scans,
spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows
Ndis2sup.vxd
failed
(but
I
read that's normal). This is not a
ram problem or such. There must be some setting or
conflict
with
something.
I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding
something
(like
a
network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or
other?
Thanks.

Steve L

Good and bad news here. I went to my startup list in MSconfig and checked
everything eg all norton stuff, Goback, etc and on the next boot (still
delayed) a Norton error popped up. I then was instructed to go to the
symantec website and download an update. I do this every day anyways. Then
on the next boot, the system started correctly with no delay!
But on the very next boot, the delay was there again! I then removed
everything Norton/Symantec from the add/remove panel and used the 3 special
utilities on the Symantec web site and followed their instructions to remove
all traces of their products. I figured this would cure it, no luck, still
delayed bootup. I used registry repair utilities and clean ups to scrub the
registry of any orphan entries and anything on the PC with the
Norton/Symantec name. Still no luck.
This was probably caused buy a Norton problem, but the problem persists
after removing all products correctly. Can it still be Norton product
traces? Or do you think it could be something else still? Thanks in advance
for your help guys. Steve



"mdp" wrote in message
...
Another hunch, have you tried uninstalling or disabling Goback?

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that
improves
things.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup, safe
mode
startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or wallpaper
either.
I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank desktop
stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load. Is
this
normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the delay? Is this
something to do with video-mode switching if it isn't normal? Thanks.
Steve



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive
tests.
It
jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and 12%.
Anyone
have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please) that I may try?
Also,
thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep
searching
for a resolution. Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're experiencing.
Don't
know what to think about that. Another shot in the dark. HD access
time
could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled.
Right
click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives, Properties,
Settings.

The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU
Utilization
(over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled.

http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you suggested
to
get
the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2 minute boot up. I did a
full
up
to
date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000 files. I
cleared
all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again and
still
no
improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in control
panel
and
looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This is a
real
challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem
gets
resolved. Thanks for your continued help.

Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You may
have
some
parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To
reset
them
to
defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select
Properties.
'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to reboot
after
deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install,
choose
'Add'
then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP.

Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset
other
parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything in
Device
Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem.
I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not physically)
and
tried
updating the driver and also tried different settings in
"Network'
in
control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and
everything
seems
back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any
other
ideas
on
this challenging problem? Thanks.
Steve

"mdp" wrote in message
...
I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode to
verify
you
don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or anything else for
that
matter.
Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I
would
say
that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC.
Deleting
it
in
safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only one
is
installed
and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the following
steps
in
the
order shown:

1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown
2. Physically uninstall the NIC
3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during
boot.
Check
your boot times. Shutdown.
4. Physically install the NIC
5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot
(Windows
should
ask
to do this)

BTW - What does "fooled with" mean?

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Alan,

Yes, I have already removed the network card via control
panel
and
then
reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No difference
with
the
slow
startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from a
normal
30 -45
second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton
Antivirus
(with
up
to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware
proggies.
Any
other ideas are welcome.
Steve




"Alan" wrote in message
...
Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager?
If
you
want
to
do
it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to normal.
Check
the
Device
Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may
even
find
that
you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode. When
Windows
reboots
from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying
any
new
hardware
etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD
rom
in
the
reader
before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install.
When
windows
restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware
and
reinstall.
Alan

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the
Quick
Logon
setting
but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve

"PattyL" wrote in message
...
In the network properties, Client for Microsoft
Networks
properties,
make
sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than
Logon
and
restore
network connections under Network logon options. That
way
the
system
does
not attempt to establish a session with other computers
on
the
network
until
you attempt to access one.

PattyL


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in
message
...
Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network
card.
Now
WIN98
(1st
edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank
desktop
for
over
2
minutes, then the icons start to load and everything
goes
as
normal.
I
reinstalled the network card drivers several times,
did
updated
NAV
scans,
spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows
Ndis2sup.vxd
failed
(but
I
read that's normal). This is not a
ram problem or such. There must be some setting or
conflict
with
something.
I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding
something
(like
a
network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or
other?
Thanks.

Steve L

If you disabled GoBack through MSCONFIG, then you will have problems - I
would suggest uninstalling it completely, and rechecking - you can then
reinstall it (if you really insist )

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Good and bad news here. I went to my startup list in MSconfig and checked
everything eg all norton stuff, Goback, etc and on the next boot (still
delayed) a Norton error popped up. I then was instructed to go to the
symantec website and download an update. I do this every day anyways.
Then
on the next boot, the system started correctly with no delay!
But on the very next boot, the delay was there again! I then removed
everything Norton/Symantec from the add/remove panel and used the 3
special
utilities on the Symantec web site and followed their instructions to
remove
all traces of their products. I figured this would cure it, no luck, still
delayed bootup. I used registry repair utilities and clean ups to scrub
the
registry of any orphan entries and anything on the PC with the
Norton/Symantec name. Still no luck.
This was probably caused buy a Norton problem, but the problem persists
after removing all products correctly. Can it still be Norton product
traces? Or do you think it could be something else still? Thanks in
advance
for your help guys. Steve



"mdp" wrote in message
...
Another hunch, have you tried uninstalling or disabling Goback?

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that
improves
things.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup,
safe
mode
startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or wallpaper
either.
I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank
desktop
stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load. Is
this
normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the delay? Is this
something to do with video-mode switching if it isn't normal?
Thanks.
Steve



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive
tests.
It
jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and 12%.
Anyone
have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please) that I may try?
Also,
thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep
searching
for a resolution. Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're experiencing.
Don't
know what to think about that. Another shot in the dark. HD
access
time
could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled.
Right
click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives, Properties,
Settings.

The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU
Utilization
(over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled.

http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you suggested
to
get
the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2 minute boot up. I did a
full
up
to
date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000 files.
I
cleared
all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again and
still
no
improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in
control
panel
and
looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This is a
real
challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem
gets
resolved. Thanks for your continued help.

Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You may
have
some
parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To
reset
them
to
defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select
Properties.
'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to
reboot
after
deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install,
choose
'Add'
then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP.

Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset
other
parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything
in
Device
Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem.
I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not
physically)
and
tried
updating the driver and also tried different settings in
"Network'
in
control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and
everything
seems
back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any
other
ideas
on
this challenging problem? Thanks.
Steve

"mdp" wrote in message
...
I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode to
verify
you
don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or anything else
for
that
matter.
Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I
would
say
that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC.
Deleting
it
in
safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only
one
is
installed
and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the following
steps
in
the
order shown:

1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown
2. Physically uninstall the NIC
3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during
boot.
Check
your boot times. Shutdown.
4. Physically install the NIC
5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot
(Windows
should
ask
to do this)

BTW - What does "fooled with" mean?

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Alan,

Yes, I have already removed the network card via control
panel
and
then
reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No
difference
with
the
slow
startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from
a
normal
30 -45
second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton
Antivirus
(with
up
to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware
proggies.
Any
other ideas are welcome.
Steve




"Alan" wrote in
message
...
Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager?
If
you
want
to
do
it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to normal.
Check
the
Device
Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may
even
find
that
you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode. When
Windows
reboots
from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying
any
new
hardware
etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD
rom
in
the
reader
before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install.
When
windows
restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware
and
reinstall.
Alan

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the
Quick
Logon
setting
but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve

"PattyL" wrote in message
...
In the network properties, Client for Microsoft
Networks
properties,
make
sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than
Logon
and
restore
network connections under Network logon options. That
way
the
system
does
not attempt to establish a session with other
computers
on
the
network
until
you attempt to access one.

PattyL


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in
message
...
Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network
card.
Now
WIN98
(1st
edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank
desktop
for
over
2
minutes, then the icons start to load and everything
goes
as
normal.
I
reinstalled the network card drivers several times,
did
updated
NAV
scans,
spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows
Ndis2sup.vxd
failed
(but
I
read that's normal). This is not a
ram problem or such. There must be some setting or
conflict
with
something.
I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding
something
(like
a
network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or
other?
Thanks.

Steve L

I agree. Don't use Msconfig to disable Goback or anything else
Norton/Symantec. Uninstall it/them or disable Goback within Systemworks.
The reason I mentioned Goback in the first place was I recall it causing
boot problems in a machine I worked on a few weeks ago. We decided to
disable (not uninstall) and everything cleared up. You may be onto
something.

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Good and bad news here. I went to my startup list in MSconfig and checked
everything eg all norton stuff, Goback, etc and on the next boot (still
delayed) a Norton error popped up. I then was instructed to go to the
symantec website and download an update. I do this every day anyways.
Then
on the next boot, the system started correctly with no delay!
But on the very next boot, the delay was there again! I then removed
everything Norton/Symantec from the add/remove panel and used the 3
special
utilities on the Symantec web site and followed their instructions to
remove
all traces of their products. I figured this would cure it, no luck, still
delayed bootup. I used registry repair utilities and clean ups to scrub
the
registry of any orphan entries and anything on the PC with the
Norton/Symantec name. Still no luck.
This was probably caused buy a Norton problem, but the problem persists
after removing all products correctly. Can it still be Norton product
traces? Or do you think it could be something else still? Thanks in
advance
for your help guys. Steve



"mdp" wrote in message
...
Another hunch, have you tried uninstalling or disabling Goback?

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that
improves
things.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup,
safe
mode
startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or wallpaper
either.
I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank
desktop
stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load. Is
this
normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the delay? Is this
something to do with video-mode switching if it isn't normal?
Thanks.
Steve



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive
tests.
It
jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and 12%.
Anyone
have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please) that I may try?
Also,
thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep
searching
for a resolution. Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're experiencing.
Don't
know what to think about that. Another shot in the dark. HD
access
time
could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled.
Right
click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives, Properties,
Settings.

The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU
Utilization
(over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled.

http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you suggested
to
get
the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2 minute boot up. I did a
full
up
to
date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000 files.
I
cleared
all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again and
still
no
improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in
control
panel
and
looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This is a
real
challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem
gets
resolved. Thanks for your continued help.

Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You may
have
some
parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To
reset
them
to
defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select
Properties.
'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to
reboot
after
deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install,
choose
'Add'
then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP.

Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset
other
parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything
in
Device
Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem.
I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not
physically)
and
tried
updating the driver and also tried different settings in
"Network'
in
control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and
everything
seems
back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any
other
ideas
on
this challenging problem? Thanks.
Steve

"mdp" wrote in message
...
I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode to
verify
you
don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or anything else
for
that
matter.
Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I
would
say
that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC.
Deleting
it
in
safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only
one
is
installed
and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the following
steps
in
the
order shown:

1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown
2. Physically uninstall the NIC
3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during
boot.
Check
your boot times. Shutdown.
4. Physically install the NIC
5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot
(Windows
should
ask
to do this)

BTW - What does "fooled with" mean?

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Alan,

Yes, I have already removed the network card via control
panel
and
then
reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No
difference
with
the
slow
startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from
a
normal
30 -45
second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton
Antivirus
(with
up
to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware
proggies.
Any
other ideas are welcome.
Steve




"Alan" wrote in
message
...
Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager?
If
you
want
to
do
it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to normal.
Check
the
Device
Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may
even
find
that
you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode. When
Windows
reboots
from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying
any
new
hardware
etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD
rom
in
the
reader
before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install.
When
windows
restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware
and
reinstall.
Alan

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the
Quick
Logon
setting
but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve

"PattyL" wrote in message
...
In the network properties, Client for Microsoft
Networks
properties,
make
sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than
Logon
and
restore
network connections under Network logon options. That
way
the
system
does
not attempt to establish a session with other
computers
on
the
network
until
you attempt to access one.

PattyL


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in
message
...
Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network
card.
Now
WIN98
(1st
edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank
desktop
for
over
2
minutes, then the icons start to load and everything
goes
as
normal.
I
reinstalled the network card drivers several times,
did
updated
NAV
scans,
spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows
Ndis2sup.vxd
failed
(but
I
read that's normal). This is not a
ram problem or such. There must be some setting or
conflict
with
something.
I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding
something
(like
a
network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or
other?
Thanks.

Steve L

BTW - To retrace your steps, try reinstalling all Symantec utiltities you
started with, including Goback. Go to Symantec's site and update. Then
disable Goback. If that doesn't work, uninstall Goback (if it is
uninstallable).

mdp wrote:
I agree. Don't use Msconfig to disable Goback or anything else
Norton/Symantec. Uninstall it/them or disable Goback within
Systemworks. The reason I mentioned Goback in the first place was I
recall it causing boot problems in a machine I worked on a few weeks
ago. We decided to disable (not uninstall) and everything cleared
up. You may be onto something.

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Good and bad news here. I went to my startup list in MSconfig and
checked everything eg all norton stuff, Goback, etc and on the next
boot (still delayed) a Norton error popped up. I then was instructed
to go to the symantec website and download an update. I do this
every day anyways. Then
on the next boot, the system started correctly with no delay!
But on the very next boot, the delay was there again! I then removed
everything Norton/Symantec from the add/remove panel and used the 3
special
utilities on the Symantec web site and followed their instructions to
remove
all traces of their products. I figured this would cure it, no luck,
still delayed bootup. I used registry repair utilities and clean ups
to scrub the
registry of any orphan entries and anything on the PC with the
Norton/Symantec name. Still no luck.
This was probably caused buy a Norton problem, but the problem
persists after removing all products correctly. Can it still be
Norton product traces? Or do you think it could be something else
still? Thanks in advance
for your help guys. Steve



"mdp" wrote in message
...
Another hunch, have you tried uninstalling or disabling Goback?

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that
improves things.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
to NG's "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup,
safe
mode
startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or
wallpaper either.
I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank
desktop
stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load.
Is this normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the
delay? Is this something to do with video-mode switching if it
isn't normal? Thanks.
Steve



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive
tests. It
jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and
12%. Anyone have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please)
that I may try? Also,
thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep
searching
for a resolution. Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're
experiencing. Don't know what to think about that. Another
shot in the dark. HD access
time
could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled.
Right
click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives,
Properties, Settings.

The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU
Utilization (over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled.

http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you
suggested to get the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2
minute boot up. I did a
full
up
to
date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000
files. I
cleared
all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again
and still
no
improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in
control
panel
and
looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This
is a real
challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem
gets resolved. Thanks for your continued help.

Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You
may have
some
parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To
reset them to
defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select
Properties.
'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to
reboot
after
deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install,
choose 'Add' then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP.

Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset
other parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything
in
Device
Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem.
I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not
physically)
and
tried
updating the driver and also tried different settings in
"Network'
in
control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and
everything
seems
back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any
other
ideas
on
this challenging problem? Thanks.
Steve

"mdp" wrote in message
...
I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode
to verify you don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or
anything else for that matter.
Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I
would
say
that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC.
Deleting it in
safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only
one
is
installed
and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the
following steps in the
order shown:

1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown
2. Physically uninstall the NIC
3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during
boot.
Check
your boot times. Shutdown.
4. Physically install the NIC
5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot
(Windows should ask
to do this)

BTW - What does "fooled with" mean?

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Alan,

Yes, I have already removed the network card via control
panel
and
then
reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No
difference
with
the
slow
startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from
a normal 30 -45
second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton
Antivirus
(with
up
to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware
proggies. Any
other ideas are welcome.
Steve




"Alan" wrote in
message
...
Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager?
If
you
want
to
do
it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to
normal. Check the
Device
Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may
even
find
that
you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode.
When Windows reboots
from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying
any
new
hardware
etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD
rom in
the
reader
before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install.
When windows
restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware
and reinstall.
Alan

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the
Quick
Logon
setting
but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve

"PattyL" wrote in message
...
In the network properties, Client for Microsoft
Networks
properties,
make
sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than
Logon
and
restore
network connections under Network logon options. That
way
the
system
does
not attempt to establish a session with other
computers
on
the
network
until
you attempt to access one.

PattyL


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network
card. Now WIN98
(1st
edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank
desktop
for
over
2
minutes, then the icons start to load and everything
goes
as
normal.
I
reinstalled the network card drivers several times,
did
updated
NAV
scans,
spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows
Ndis2sup.vxd failed (but I
read that's normal). This is not a
ram problem or such. There must be some setting or
conflict with something.
I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding
something
(like
a
network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or
other? Thanks. Steve L

Did you guys read my last post about removing Goback? Please reread my last
post and you will see I followed Symantec steps/utilities to remove all
traces of their products. Are there any other suggestions? This problem was
ALMOST fixed. But now all traces of Symantec/Norton/Goback is gone, and
still same problem. Thanks.
Steve



"mdp" wrote in message
news
BTW - To retrace your steps, try reinstalling all Symantec utiltities you
started with, including Goback. Go to Symantec's site and update. Then
disable Goback. If that doesn't work, uninstall Goback (if it is
uninstallable).

mdp wrote:
I agree. Don't use Msconfig to disable Goback or anything else
Norton/Symantec. Uninstall it/them or disable Goback within
Systemworks. The reason I mentioned Goback in the first place was I
recall it causing boot problems in a machine I worked on a few weeks
ago. We decided to disable (not uninstall) and everything cleared
up. You may be onto something.

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Good and bad news here. I went to my startup list in MSconfig and
checked everything eg all norton stuff, Goback, etc and on the next
boot (still delayed) a Norton error popped up. I then was instructed
to go to the symantec website and download an update. I do this
every day anyways. Then
on the next boot, the system started correctly with no delay!
But on the very next boot, the delay was there again! I then removed
everything Norton/Symantec from the add/remove panel and used the 3
special
utilities on the Symantec web site and followed their instructions to
remove
all traces of their products. I figured this would cure it, no luck,
still delayed bootup. I used registry repair utilities and clean ups
to scrub the
registry of any orphan entries and anything on the PC with the
Norton/Symantec name. Still no luck.
This was probably caused buy a Norton problem, but the problem
persists after removing all products correctly. Can it still be
Norton product traces? Or do you think it could be something else
still? Thanks in advance
for your help guys. Steve



"mdp" wrote in message
...
Another hunch, have you tried uninstalling or disabling Goback?

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that
improves things.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
to NG's "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup,
safe
mode
startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or
wallpaper either.
I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank
desktop
stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load.
Is this normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the
delay? Is this something to do with video-mode switching if it
isn't normal? Thanks.
Steve



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive
tests. It
jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and
12%. Anyone have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please)
that I may try? Also,
thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep
searching
for a resolution. Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're
experiencing. Don't know what to think about that. Another
shot in the dark. HD access
time
could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled.
Right
click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives,
Properties, Settings.

The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU
Utilization (over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled.

http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you
suggested to get the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2
minute boot up. I did a
full
up
to
date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000
files. I
cleared
all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again
and still
no
improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in
control
panel
and
looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This
is a real
challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem
gets resolved. Thanks for your continued help.

Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You
may have
some
parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To
reset them to
defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select
Properties.
'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to
reboot
after
deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install,
choose 'Add' then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP.

Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset
other parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything
in
Device
Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem.
I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not
physically)
and
tried
updating the driver and also tried different settings in
"Network'
in
control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and
everything
seems
back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any
other
ideas
on
this challenging problem? Thanks.
Steve

"mdp" wrote in message
...
I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode
to verify you don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or
anything else for that matter.
Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I
would
say
that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC.
Deleting it in
safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only
one
is
installed
and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the
following steps in the
order shown:

1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown
2. Physically uninstall the NIC
3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during
boot.
Check
your boot times. Shutdown.
4. Physically install the NIC
5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot
(Windows should ask
to do this)

BTW - What does "fooled with" mean?

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Alan,

Yes, I have already removed the network card via control
panel
and
then
reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No
difference
with
the
slow
startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from
a normal 30 -45
second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton
Antivirus
(with
up
to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware
proggies. Any
other ideas are welcome.
Steve




"Alan" wrote in
message
...
Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager?
If
you
want
to
do
it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to
normal. Check the
Device
Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may
even
find
that
you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode.
When Windows reboots
from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying
any
new
hardware
etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD
rom in
the
reader
before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install.
When windows
restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware
and reinstall.
Alan

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the
Quick
Logon
setting
but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve

"PattyL" wrote in message
...
In the network properties, Client for Microsoft
Networks
properties,
make
sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than
Logon
and
restore
network connections under Network logon options. That
way
the
system
does
not attempt to establish a session with other
computers
on
the
network
until
you attempt to access one.

PattyL


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network
card. Now WIN98
(1st
edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank
desktop
for
over
2
minutes, then the icons start to load and everything
goes
as
normal.
I
reinstalled the network card drivers several times,
did
updated
NAV
scans,
spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows
Ndis2sup.vxd failed (but I
read that's normal). This is not a
ram problem or such. There must be some setting or
conflict with something.
I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding
something
(like
a
network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or
other? Thanks. Steve L

Of course. I've used Symantec's "remove all traces" utilities and found
they are not foolproof. I have fought and finally given up on one of my
systems that still remembers a prior Symantec version expiration date which
is interfering with a later version's operation. There is something left
over that the utilities did not remove. That's why I suggested the disable
or uninstall methods using the software itself or the OS' own features. You
did something that caused the problem to go away, albeit briefly, which
happened right after unchecking Goback with Msconfig. So far that's the
only clue that correlates with something that I've heard. My hypothesis is
that some of the files Norton removed still need to be there for other
reasons and that disabling Goback will have a positive affect on the boot
process. Both based on prior experience.

If you can repeat the anomalous behavior using Msconfig again, then the
problem is repeatable and other clues might be found using utilities that
monitor registry or other kinds of changes. In this case I don't recommend
this troubleshooting approach since it causes problems with Goback, as you
found out, which could lead to additional trouble. I came up with my last
suggestion as a safer way to test the correlation with Goback. Unless you
have other clues, all I can think of is more "shots in the dark". What we
need, Mr. Watson, are clues. Good luck.

Both could matter.
"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Did you guys read my last post about removing Goback? Please reread my
last
post and you will see I followed Symantec steps/utilities to remove all
traces of their products. Are there any other suggestions? This problem
was
ALMOST fixed. But now all traces of Symantec/Norton/Goback is gone, and
still same problem. Thanks.
Steve



"mdp" wrote in message
news
BTW - To retrace your steps, try reinstalling all Symantec utiltities you
started with, including Goback. Go to Symantec's site and update. Then
disable Goback. If that doesn't work, uninstall Goback (if it is
uninstallable).

mdp wrote:
I agree. Don't use Msconfig to disable Goback or anything else
Norton/Symantec. Uninstall it/them or disable Goback within
Systemworks. The reason I mentioned Goback in the first place was I
recall it causing boot problems in a machine I worked on a few weeks
ago. We decided to disable (not uninstall) and everything cleared
up. You may be onto something.

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Good and bad news here. I went to my startup list in MSconfig and
checked everything eg all norton stuff, Goback, etc and on the next
boot (still delayed) a Norton error popped up. I then was instructed
to go to the symantec website and download an update. I do this
every day anyways. Then
on the next boot, the system started correctly with no delay!
But on the very next boot, the delay was there again! I then removed
everything Norton/Symantec from the add/remove panel and used the 3
special
utilities on the Symantec web site and followed their instructions to
remove
all traces of their products. I figured this would cure it, no luck,
still delayed bootup. I used registry repair utilities and clean ups
to scrub the
registry of any orphan entries and anything on the PC with the
Norton/Symantec name. Still no luck.
This was probably caused buy a Norton problem, but the problem
persists after removing all products correctly. Can it still be
Norton product traces? Or do you think it could be something else
still? Thanks in advance
for your help guys. Steve



"mdp" wrote in message
...
Another hunch, have you tried uninstalling or disabling Goback?

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that
improves things.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
to NG's "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup,
safe
mode
startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or
wallpaper either.
I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank
desktop
stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load.
Is this normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the
delay? Is this something to do with video-mode switching if it
isn't normal? Thanks.
Steve



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive
tests. It
jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and
12%. Anyone have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please)
that I may try? Also,
thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep
searching
for a resolution. Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're
experiencing. Don't know what to think about that. Another
shot in the dark. HD access
time
could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled.
Right
click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives,
Properties, Settings.

The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU
Utilization (over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled.

http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you
suggested to get the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2
minute boot up. I did a
full
up
to
date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000
files. I
cleared
all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again
and still
no
improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in
control
panel
and
looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This
is a real
challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem
gets resolved. Thanks for your continued help.

Steve


"mdp" wrote in message
...
Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You
may have
some
parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To
reset them to
defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select
Properties.
'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to
reboot
after
deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install,
choose 'Add' then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP.

Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset
other parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189



"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything
in
Device
Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem.
I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not
physically)
and
tried
updating the driver and also tried different settings in
"Network'
in
control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and
everything
seems
back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any
other
ideas
on
this challenging problem? Thanks.
Steve

"mdp" wrote in message
...
I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode
to verify you don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or
anything else for that matter.
Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I
would
say
that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC.
Deleting it in
safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only
one
is
installed
and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the
following steps in the
order shown:

1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown
2. Physically uninstall the NIC
3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during
boot.
Check
your boot times. Shutdown.
4. Physically install the NIC
5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot
(Windows should ask
to do this)

BTW - What does "fooled with" mean?

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Alan,

Yes, I have already removed the network card via control
panel
and
then
reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No
difference
with
the
slow
startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from
a normal 30 -45
second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton
Antivirus
(with
up
to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware
proggies. Any
other ideas are welcome.
Steve




"Alan" wrote in
message
...
Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager?
If
you
want
to
do
it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to
normal. Check the
Device
Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may
even
find
that
you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode.
When Windows reboots
from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying
any
new
hardware
etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD
rom in
the
reader
before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install.
When windows
restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware
and reinstall.
Alan

"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the
Quick
Logon
setting
but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve

"PattyL" wrote in message
...
In the network properties, Client for Microsoft
Networks
properties,
make
sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than
Logon
and
restore
network connections under Network logon options. That
way
the
system
does
not attempt to establish a session with other
computers
on
the
network
until
you attempt to access one.

PattyL


"Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network
card. Now WIN98
(1st
edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank
desktop
for
over
2
minutes, then the icons start to load and everything
goes
as
normal.
I
reinstalled the network card drivers several times,
did
updated
NAV
scans,
spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows
Ndis2sup.vxd failed (but I
read that's normal). This is not a
ram problem or such. There must be some setting or
conflict with something.
I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding
something
(like
a
network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or
other? Thanks. Steve L