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Nothing to ponder really ... old software is hard to let go of. Like old operating systems ;-) -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:57:53 +0000 The moonlight laughed on the blades
edge when Shepİ wrote : Nothing to ponder really ... old software is hard to let go of. Like old operating systems ;-) PS Re-check that all your drives are using DMA with Nero info tool/Config tab, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/diag.html HTH -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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Yeah, some old software requires old OSes. Just checked and ... DMA=on for all drives. "Shepİ" wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:57:53 +0000 The moonlight laughed on the blades edge when Shepİ wrote : Nothing to ponder really ... old software is hard to let go of. Like old operating systems ;-) PS Re-check that all your drives are using DMA with Nero info tool/Config tab, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/diag.html HTH -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:25:15 GMT The moonlight laughed on the blade's
edge when "Adam" wrote : Yeah, some old software requires old OSes. Just checked and ... DMA=on for all drives. I mentioned the DMA as it's a fundamental requirement for the full speed of a system and often over-looked,espeacially when having had to mess with hard drive drivers and ACPI.Incorrect DMA or disabled can lose a user over 75% of the system speed as modern PCs are still a,"DOS" system in the old original sense e.g,"Disk Operating System" therefore any slow ups on the drives affects everything. -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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Thanks! FYI, the VIA 4in1 driver(s) has a DMA option (default is selected). I'm not sure but I think that it sets DMA=on when the option is selected. BTW, my system is running great. "Shepİ" wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:25:15 GMT The moonlight laughed on the blade's edge when "Adam" wrote : Yeah, some old software requires old OSes. Just checked and ... DMA=on for all drives. I mentioned the DMA as it's a fundamental requirement for the full speed of a system and often over-looked,espeacially when having had to mess with hard drive drivers and ACPI.Incorrect DMA or disabled can lose a user over 75% of the system speed as modern PCs are still a,"DOS" system in the old original sense e.g,"Disk Operating System" therefore any slow ups on the drives affects everything. -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:22:16 GMT The moonlight laughed on the blade's
edge when "Adam" wrote : Thanks! FYI, the VIA 4in1 driver(s) has a DMA option (default is selected). I'm not sure but I think that it sets DMA=on when the option is selected. BTW, my system is running great. Yep.The VIS 4-in-1 drivers usually enable the dma as they are loaded,same as the SIS chip set I'm on now :0 -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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If one of the operating systems is out of another machine or was installed on the
old motherboard, you may have a lot of mis-detected hardware if you didn't do a fresh install afterwards. What procedure did you follow to get the new system or motherboard properly detected, and to remove the listed hardware left in Device Manager from the old system? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Adam" wrote in message om... One of the two operating systems came from an old system. The motherboard was upgraded but the "Suspend mode" was never enabled in the BIOS. I think this might explain why the Standby options are missing. I'll try enabling "Suspend mode" later to see if - "Advanced Power Management support" will be installed - the Standby options will appear "glee" wrote in message ... Usually, when the Stand-by options are missing it indicates that the machine does not support stand-by mode, but you indicate that one of the two operating systems on the same machine does have the settings, so that does not appear to be the case here. See if anything here helps: Standby Missing From Windows Shutdown Dialog Box : http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=188134 -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Adam" wrote in message m... I'm using VIA's 4-in-1 (v4.37) drivers. I just tried the Add New Hardware wizard: - auto hardware detection did not find any new hardware - manual "system device" selection method did not list "Advanced Power Management support" Also, the Asus A7V133 User's Manual says the following: "IMPORTANT: Advanced Power Management (APM) should be installed to keep the system time updated when the computer enters suspend mode activated by the BIOS Power Management. For DOS environments, you need to add the statement, DEVICE=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE, to your CONFIG.SYS file. For Windows 3.x and Windows 95, you need to install Windows with the APM feature. For Windows 98 and later, APM is automatically installed. A battery and power cord icon labeled "Power Management" will appear in the "Control Panel." Choose "Advanced" in the Power Management Properties dialog box." So, apparently, APM is already installed in my case but there is no listing of "Advanced Power Management support" under "System devices" in "Device Manager". Also, comparing the Power Management Properties dialog of the two HDD/partition, I noticed that the "Advanced" tab is missing the "Prompt for password when computer goes off standby" checkbox. And, the "Power Schemes" tab is missing the "System standby" dropdown list in the "Settings for Always On power scheme" section. Is it possible that installing standby-related stuff may trigger the addition of "Advanced Power Management support" under "System devices" in "Device Manager". "glee" wrote in message ... The procedure for adding Advanced Power Management support in Device Manager is to use the Add New Hardware wizard to search for new hardware, and if it detects APM support, to allow it to install, and then reboot. However, you may not be able to detect it without installing the drivers on motherboard disc. What VIA drivers version number did you install? Have you tried other versions from the VIA support web site? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Adam" wrote in message om... My responses are inline ... "Shepİ" wrote in message ... On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:54:50 GMT It was a dark and stormy night when "Spamotomy" wrote : Okay, I think I'm a little confused ... Must I have ACPI in order to have "Advanced Power Management support" ? In the "good" HDD/partition, there is no mention of ACPI under "System devices" but there is an "Advanced Power Management support" item, which is what I'm trying to replicate on the other HDD/partition You have mis-quoted. Mis-quoted? No, "Advanced Power Management support" is an item under "System devices" in "Device Manager". For ACPI to function correctly all hardware devices on the system must be ACPI compliant including the mother board. Their correct drivers must be correctly installed and the Windows Software ACPI must be installed e.g the Advanced Power Management Support as you post above. "Advanced Power Management support" is what I'm trying to find out how to install without depending on hardware detection since all the hardware is already there. If the option is there in the BIOS to enable/disable ACPI it must be enabled.Many Modern systems either have it hidden and set by default to,"On". Hmmm ... will I be able to enable ACPI without getting ACPI BIOS? If not, then I will be "back to square one" like you said. And, I don't want that. You may also need to re-install motherboard/mother board chip set drivers pack/s. Oh-no, trying to install VIA's 4-in-1 drivers caused the dreaded message: "Windows protection error. You need to restart your computer." After which, I can only boot into Safe mode but not into Normal mode. As for talk of,"Partitions" you are now confusing me :/ I use the BIOS to select the HDD (and thus, the boot partition) used for the boot process. By "HDD/partition", I mean the HDD (and thus, the boot partition) used to boot the system. -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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That system was so old that it still had ISA slots in it. Some of the cards in it were not even PnP, which might have actually made things easier. It did not have an AGP slot. It did not have a sound card. All of these things made the upgrade pretty simple since there was not much conflict. For a newer system, I would remove everything possible from the Device Manager in Safe mode and build from there. Start with a minimum set of hardware (motherboard, video card, keyboard, mouse, HDD, CDROM, floppy drive, etc.). Then, when you get the minimal system working, add additional hardware (NIC, modem, sound, etc.) one card at a time. Then there's the registry approach for those who are familiar with there way around the registry. And, as is often the case, tasks like this is easier said than done. "glee" wrote in message ... If one of the operating systems is out of another machine or was installed on the old motherboard, you may have a lot of mis-detected hardware if you didn't do a fresh install afterwards. What procedure did you follow to get the new system or motherboard properly detected, and to remove the listed hardware left in Device Manager from the old system? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Adam" wrote in message om... One of the two operating systems came from an old system. The motherboard was upgraded but the "Suspend mode" was never enabled in the BIOS. I think this might explain why the Standby options are missing. I'll try enabling "Suspend mode" later to see if - "Advanced Power Management support" will be installed - the Standby options will appear "glee" wrote in message ... Usually, when the Stand-by options are missing it indicates that the machine does not support stand-by mode, but you indicate that one of the two operating systems on the same machine does have the settings, so that does not appear to be the case here. See if anything here helps: Standby Missing From Windows Shutdown Dialog Box : http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=188134 -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Adam" wrote in message m... I'm using VIA's 4-in-1 (v4.37) drivers. I just tried the Add New Hardware wizard: - auto hardware detection did not find any new hardware - manual "system device" selection method did not list "Advanced Power Management support" Also, the Asus A7V133 User's Manual says the following: "IMPORTANT: Advanced Power Management (APM) should be installed to keep the system time updated when the computer enters suspend mode activated by the BIOS Power Management. For DOS environments, you need to add the statement, DEVICE=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE, to your CONFIG.SYS file. For Windows 3.x and Windows 95, you need to install Windows with the APM feature. For Windows 98 and later, APM is automatically installed. A battery and power cord icon labeled "Power Management" will appear in the "Control Panel." Choose "Advanced" in the Power Management Properties dialog box." So, apparently, APM is already installed in my case but there is no listing of "Advanced Power Management support" under "System devices" in "Device Manager". Also, comparing the Power Management Properties dialog of the two HDD/partition, I noticed that the "Advanced" tab is missing the "Prompt for password when computer goes off standby" checkbox. And, the "Power Schemes" tab is missing the "System standby" dropdown list in the "Settings for Always On power scheme" section. Is it possible that installing standby-related stuff may trigger the addition of "Advanced Power Management support" under "System devices" in "Device Manager". "glee" wrote in message ... The procedure for adding Advanced Power Management support in Device Manager is to use the Add New Hardware wizard to search for new hardware, and if it detects APM support, to allow it to install, and then reboot. However, you may not be able to detect it without installing the drivers on motherboard disc. What VIA drivers version number did you install? Have you tried other versions from the VIA support web site? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Adam" wrote in message om... My responses are inline ... "Shepİ" wrote in message ... On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:54:50 GMT It was a dark and stormy night when "Spamotomy" wrote : Okay, I think I'm a little confused ... Must I have ACPI in order to have "Advanced Power Management support" ? In the "good" HDD/partition, there is no mention of ACPI under "System devices" but there is an "Advanced Power Management support" item, which is what I'm trying to replicate on the other HDD/partition You have mis-quoted. Mis-quoted? No, "Advanced Power Management support" is an item under "System devices" in "Device Manager". For ACPI to function correctly all hardware devices on the system must be ACPI compliant including the mother board. Their correct drivers must be correctly installed and the Windows Software ACPI must be installed e.g the Advanced Power Management Support as you post above. "Advanced Power Management support" is what I'm trying to find out how to install without depending on hardware detection since all the hardware is already there. If the option is there in the BIOS to enable/disable ACPI it must be enabled.Many Modern systems either have it hidden and set by default to,"On". Hmmm ... will I be able to enable ACPI without getting ACPI BIOS? If not, then I will be "back to square one" like you said. And, I don't want that. You may also need to re-install motherboard/mother board chip set drivers pack/s. Oh-no, trying to install VIA's 4-in-1 drivers caused the dreaded message: "Windows protection error. You need to restart your computer." After which, I can only boot into Safe mode but not into Normal mode. As for talk of,"Partitions" you are now confusing me :/ I use the BIOS to select the HDD (and thus, the boot partition) used for the boot process. By "HDD/partition", I mean the HDD (and thus, the boot partition) used to boot the system. -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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