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Old March 5th 05, 07:41 PM
V S Rawat
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Default How to physically sort filenames in a folder

In good old DOS daya, I remember, there was a program in
norton utilities with the name dirsort or something like that.

It used to sort the names of files in a folder (then called
directory) and write then in ascending order in the folder
index area (FAT?) in the harddisk/floppy.

Last time I checked the net, I found that it has not been
updated for more than 10 years. I even saw somewhere to use
it in windows at your own risk. Well I am not going to take
that risk.

Is something like that exists for w98SE?

It should physically write the names of files in a folder in
ascending order.

I am not talking about sorting the display in explorer by
file name (clicking above filenames in explorer). Even if
filenames are shown in ascending order, the names are still
in the harddisk in the order in which they get crreated in
the first available space.

TIA
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Rawat
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Old March 6th 05, 05:47 AM
Bill in Co.
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But why would you need this? Everytime you add or delete a file in a
directory, it will get messed up again, anyway, and never stay sorted on the
disk.

V S Rawat wrote:
In good old DOS daya, I remember, there was a program in
norton utilities with the name dirsort or something like that.

It used to sort the names of files in a folder (then called
directory) and write then in ascending order in the folder
index area (FAT?) in the harddisk/floppy.

Last time I checked the net, I found that it has not been
updated for more than 10 years. I even saw somewhere to use
it in windows at your own risk. Well I am not going to take
that risk.

Is something like that exists for w98SE?

It should physically write the names of files in a folder in
ascending order.

I am not talking about sorting the display in explorer by
file name (clicking above filenames in explorer). Even if
filenames are shown in ascending order, the names are still
in the harddisk in the order in which they get crreated in
the first available space.

TIA
--
Rawat



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Old March 6th 05, 07:04 AM
Jeff Richards
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There's a reason that it hasn't been updated in more than ten years.

You can achieve a similar effect by sorting files into ascending order in
Explorer, using select all, and copying them to a new folder. Use cut and
paste rather than drag and drop to ensure that they are copied in display
order.
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MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"V S Rawat" wrote in message
...
In good old DOS daya, I remember, there was a program in norton utilities
with the name dirsort or something like that.

It used to sort the names of files in a folder (then called directory) and
write then in ascending order in the folder index area (FAT?) in the
harddisk/floppy.

Last time I checked the net, I found that it has not been updated for more
than 10 years. I even saw somewhere to use it in windows at your own risk.
Well I am not going to take that risk.

Is something like that exists for w98SE?

It should physically write the names of files in a folder in ascending
order.

I am not talking about sorting the display in explorer by file name
(clicking above filenames in explorer). Even if filenames are shown in
ascending order, the names are still in the harddisk in the order in which
they get crreated in the first available space.

TIA
--
Rawat



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Old March 6th 05, 08:21 AM
V S Rawat
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On 3/6/05 10:17 AM India Time, _Bill in Co._ wrote:

But why would you need this? Everytime you add or delete a file in a
directory, it will get messed up again, anyway, and never stay sorted on the
disk.


I have some 2000 mp3 of film songs in one folder. when I
copy them to a cd or somewhere, they get coied in the order
in which they are written, not in the sorted order that is
getting displayed.

If due to some reasons, the copying gets aborted in between.
I am left with no clue where it got stopped, because
destination folder again shows all songs starting with all
alphabets.

If it had been in the ascening order in my source hdd, it
would have sorted in the same order, and I would have come
to know where it stopped just by seeing at the last file of
my destination. I would have re-started from there.


V S Rawat wrote:

In good old DOS daya, I remember, there was a program in
norton utilities with the name dirsort or something like that.

It used to sort the names of files in a folder (then called
directory) and write then in ascending order in the folder
index area (FAT?) in the harddisk/floppy.

Last time I checked the net, I found that it has not been
updated for more than 10 years. I even saw somewhere to use
it in windows at your own risk. Well I am not going to take
that risk.

Is something like that exists for w98SE?

It should physically write the names of files in a folder in
ascending order.

I am not talking about sorting the display in explorer by
file name (clicking above filenames in explorer). Even if
filenames are shown in ascending order, the names are still
in the harddisk in the order in which they get crreated in
the first available space.

TIA
--
Rawat





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Rawat
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Old March 6th 05, 08:23 AM
V S Rawat
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On 3/6/05 12:11 AM India Time, _V S Rawat_ wrote:

In good old DOS daya, I remember, there was a program in
norton utilities with the name dirsort or something like that.

It used to sort the names of files in a folder (then called
directory) and write then in ascending order in the folder
index area (FAT?) in the harddisk/floppy.

Last time I checked the net, I found that it has not been
updated for more than 10 years. I even saw somewhere to use
it in windows at your own risk. Well I am not going to take
that risk.

Is something like that exists for w98SE?

It should physically write the names of files in a folder in
ascending order.

I am not talking about sorting the display in explorer by
file name (clicking above filenames in explorer). Even if
filenames are shown in ascending order, the names are still
in the harddisk in the order in which they get crreated in
the first available space.

TIA


Thinking about it, we can only see the files in explorer
view in some ascending/ descending sorted order of various
fields listed there.

Is there any way in which I can see the files, IN THE ORDER
IN WHICH THEY ARE WRITTEN IN FAT for that folder?

The way DOS shows as a default.

--
Rawat
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Old March 6th 05, 08:25 AM
V S Rawat
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On 3/6/05 11:34 AM India Time, _Jeff Richards_ wrote:

There's a reason that it hasn't been updated in more than ten years.


Sometimes, the reason could be that not enough people are
expressing the need.

Explorer is showing things sorted thus serving most of the
people.


You can achieve a similar effect by sorting files into ascending order in
Explorer, using select all, and copying them to a new folder. Use cut and
paste rather than drag and drop to ensure that they are copied in display
order.


I shall try that, and if it works it will serve my purpose.

But if someone is aware of such a program, do share.

--
Rawat
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Old March 6th 05, 10:36 AM
Bill in Co.
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V S Rawat wrote:
On 3/6/05 11:34 AM India Time, _Jeff Richards_ wrote:

There's a reason that it hasn't been updated in more than ten years.


Sometimes, the reason could be that not enough people are
expressing the need.

Explorer is showing things sorted thus serving most of the
people.

You can achieve a similar effect by sorting files into ascending order in
Explorer, using select all, and copying them to a new folder. Use cut

and
paste rather than drag and drop to ensure that they are copied in display
order.


I shall try that, and if it works it will serve my purpose.

But if someone is aware of such a program, do share.

--
Rawat


I think this is the best way, and it should sort them correctly, including
the 8.3 short file names, which is probably the problem here. I have had
to do this myself with mp3 files, since the CD or DVD programs seem
oblivious to long file names, in so far as the sorting sequence on the disk
is concerned. It's a pain, but that's just the way it is.


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Old March 6th 05, 10:08 PM
PCR
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Oh, right, this is how to see it...

(1) "START button, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt"
(2) E:
If the drive you wish to DIR is "E:".
(3) CD Path\To\Folder
(4) DIR

Type DIR/? to see all options.


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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"V S Rawat" wrote in message
...
| On 3/6/05 12:11 AM India Time, _V S Rawat_ wrote:
|
| In good old DOS daya, I remember, there was a program in
| norton utilities with the name dirsort or something like that.
|
| It used to sort the names of files in a folder (then called
| directory) and write then in ascending order in the folder
| index area (FAT?) in the harddisk/floppy.
|
| Last time I checked the net, I found that it has not been
| updated for more than 10 years. I even saw somewhere to use
| it in windows at your own risk. Well I am not going to take
| that risk.
|
| Is something like that exists for w98SE?
|
| It should physically write the names of files in a folder in
| ascending order.
|
| I am not talking about sorting the display in explorer by
| file name (clicking above filenames in explorer). Even if
| filenames are shown in ascending order, the names are still
| in the harddisk in the order in which they get crreated in
| the first available space.
|
| TIA
|
| Thinking about it, we can only see the files in explorer
| view in some ascending/ descending sorted order of various
| fields listed there.
|
| Is there any way in which I can see the files, IN THE ORDER
| IN WHICH THEY ARE WRITTEN IN FAT for that folder?
|
| The way DOS shows as a default.
|
| --
| Rawat


  #10  
Old March 7th 05, 12:47 AM
anonymous
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Maybe, maybe not. Do SET first to confirm that the defult DOS sort order has
not been overridden

"PCR" wrote:

Oh, right, this is how to see it...

(1) "START button, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt"
(2) E:
If the drive you wish to DIR is "E:".
(3) CD Path\To\Folder
(4) DIR

Type DIR/? to see all options.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"V S Rawat" wrote in message
...
| On 3/6/05 12:11 AM India Time, _V S Rawat_ wrote:
|
| In good old DOS daya, I remember, there was a program in
| norton utilities with the name dirsort or something like that.
|
| It used to sort the names of files in a folder (then called
| directory) and write then in ascending order in the folder
| index area (FAT?) in the harddisk/floppy.
|
| Last time I checked the net, I found that it has not been
| updated for more than 10 years. I even saw somewhere to use
| it in windows at your own risk. Well I am not going to take
| that risk.
|
| Is something like that exists for w98SE?
|
| It should physically write the names of files in a folder in
| ascending order.
|
| I am not talking about sorting the display in explorer by
| file name (clicking above filenames in explorer). Even if
| filenames are shown in ascending order, the names are still
| in the harddisk in the order in which they get crreated in
| the first available space.
|
| TIA
|
| Thinking about it, we can only see the files in explorer
| view in some ascending/ descending sorted order of various
| fields listed there.
|
| Is there any way in which I can see the files, IN THE ORDER
| IN WHICH THEY ARE WRITTEN IN FAT for that folder?
|
| The way DOS shows as a default.
|
| --
| Rawat



 




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