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Old April 18th 15, 07:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill Cunningham
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Default virtual pc 2007 and win98se

I have an ISO of win98se and can't get that vitual pc 2007 to boot it. I
play with the bios and it just won't boot from a virtual cdrom. Or a floppy
either for that matter. Does anyone know how to deal with this thing or
suggest another virtual machine ? Virtual box I can't get to work because it
says something about COM. And an error.

Bill


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Old April 19th 15, 11:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Billy Ray Ferrell \USA Vice President 2016\
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"Bill Cunningham"
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A 1000 Words or More
http://mynews.from-tx.com/temp/

I have an ISO of win98se and can't get that vitual pc 2007 to boot it.


I Can and So Can You

I play with the bios and it just won't boot from a virtual cdrom.




Or a floppy either for that matter.


Floppy http://mynews.from-tx.com/temp/Windows98_SE.img

Boot To
Start Computer With CD Rom Support

A:\Fdisk


Does anyone know how to deal with this thing or suggest another virtual
machine ?


Virtual box


All abound the same

I can't get to work because it says something about COM. And an error.


COM1 is Set To None
COM2 is Set To None
LPT1 is Set To None

Error Fix


Bill



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Old April 19th 15, 12:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Bill Cunningham wrote:

I have an ISO of win98se and can't get that vitual pc 2007 to boot it.


VMMs (Virtual Machine Managers) don't boot .iso files. You also don't
say if the ISO is for the setup config of files (i.e., bootable disc
with setup.exe) for Windows 98 or if it is a copy of an already
installed instance of Windows 98 (but the disc must be made bootable
since you won't be reading the boot sector and boot loader code from the
HDD when booting from the disc), and whether either ISO is an unfettered
full version or an upgrade version (neither have been installed anywhere
else).

I play with the bios and it just won't boot from a virtual cdrom.


Requires that the disc in the optical drive be bootable. .iso files do
not make a disc bootable. Depending on what the ISO actually contains,
you will have to burn it *contents* to a disc. But first what the ISO
contains is a needed detail.

When you insert a bootable disc for something ELSE, do you see a prompt
during the computer's startup (after the POST screen) saying to hit
[some] key to boot from the disc? Just setting the BIOS to specify the
boot order has CD/DVD before HDD doesn't preclude the boot sequence from
issuing the prompt to boot from CD/DVD, timing out, and moving on to the
next device in the BIOS boot order (i.e., HDD). Some computers boot so
fast that the prompt to "hit a key to boot from CD/DVD" may flash on and
off too quickly for you to notice or get masked by clearing the POST
screen and Windows starting to load before the video shows the boot from
disc prompt. Check what the manual says for your motherboard or
pre-built computer to find out what key (if a special one instead of any
key) will have it boot from the optical drive if it is listed in the
BIOS boot order before the HDD. You might have to wait until the POST
screen disappears and immediately start tapping the key to tell the BIOS
to boot from the disc instead of timing out and proceeding to the HDD;
i.e., you will have to hit the trigger key in the blind.

Or a floppy either for that matter.


That must be a bootable diskette, too, not just containing data files.
That device would have to be listed first in the BIOS boot order
sequence (before the optical and hard drives).

Does anyone know how to deal with this thing or suggest another
virtual machine ?


You haven't identified what is the contents of the ISO "thing".

Virtual box I can't get to work because it says something about COM.


Is "it" Virtualbox issuing the error? Or is the Windows 98 installer
issuing the error?

And an error.


Oh, a secret error. Can't help with those.
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Old April 19th 15, 05:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Paul[_3_]
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Default virtual pc 2007 and win98se

Bill Cunningham wrote:
I have an ISO of win98se and can't get that vitual pc 2007 to boot it. I
play with the bios and it just won't boot from a virtual cdrom. Or a floppy
either for that matter. Does anyone know how to deal with this thing or
suggest another virtual machine ? Virtual box I can't get to work because it
says something about COM. And an error.

Bill



Already done it. Years ago.

In my collection, I have a Win98 CD, plus an
Upgrade version of Win98SE.

You install Win98 first, then apply the Win98SE Upgrade Disc.

Using the Cygwin version of "disktype" program...

*******
disktype /dev/sr0 # with Win98 CD in tray

--- /dev/sr0
Block device, size 624.2 MiB (654528512 bytes)
ISO9660 file system
Volume name "WINDOWS 98"
Publisher "MICROSOFT CORPORATION"
Preparer "MICROSOFT CORPORATION, ONE MICROSOFT WAY, REDMOND WA 98052, (206) 882-8080"
Application "CDIMAGE 2.38 (08/27/97 TM)"
Data size 623.9 MiB (654219264 bytes, 319443 blocks of 2 KiB)
El Torito boot record, catalog at 20
Bootable 1.44M floppy image, starts at 21, preloads 512 bytes
Platform 0x00 (x86), System Type 0x00 (Empty)
Windows / MS-DOS boot loader
FAT12 file system (hints score 5 of 5)
Volume size 1.390 MiB (1457664 bytes, 2847 clusters of 512 bytes)
Joliet extension, volume name "Windows 98"

*******
disktype /dev/sr0 # with Win98SE Upgrade CD in tray

--- /dev/sr0
Block device, size 623.0 MiB (653219840 bytes)
ISO9660 file system
Volume name "WIN98 SE"
Publisher "MICROSOFT CORPORATION"
Preparer "MICROSOFT CORPORATION, ONE MICROSOFT WAY, REDMOND WA 98052, (425) 882-8080"
Application "CDIMAGE 2.39 (12/04/97 TM)"
Data size 622.4 MiB (652603392 bytes, 318654 blocks of 2 KiB)
Joliet extension, volume name "Win98 SE"

*******

Notice the subtle difference ? That's got to make a difference
to the whole exercise.

You need both ISO files anyway, as the Win98SE will prompt
for "proof" you have a Win98 disc.

Since I don't remember what I did at the time, I would
probably try...

1) VPC2007, clean virtual disk (at least 4GB).
4GB was the size of my hard drive back then...

Install Win98, using win98.iso from VPC menu (before BIOS boot starts)

2) After Win98 install is finished, try presenting
win98se.iso . See if the setup.exe autoruns, and
whether it'll agree to do the upgrade install
from the running OS. (As opposed to trying to boot
the win98se.iso...)

HTH,
Paul
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Old April 19th 15, 06:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill Cunningham
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Default virtual pc 2007 and win98se


"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Bill Cunningham wrote:

I have an ISO of win98se and can't get that vitual pc 2007 to boot it.


VMMs (Virtual Machine Managers) don't boot .iso files. You also don't
say if the ISO is for the setup config of files (i.e., bootable disc
with setup.exe) for Windows 98 or if it is a copy of an already
installed instance of Windows 98 (but the disc must be made bootable
since you won't be reading the boot sector and boot loader code from the
HDD when booting from the disc), and whether either ISO is an unfettered
full version or an upgrade version (neither have been installed anywhere
else).

I play with the bios and it just won't boot from a virtual cdrom.


Requires that the disc in the optical drive be bootable. .iso files do
not make a disc bootable. Depending on what the ISO actually contains,
you will have to burn it *contents* to a disc. But first what the ISO
contains is a needed detail.

When you insert a bootable disc for something ELSE, do you see a prompt
during the computer's startup (after the POST screen) saying to hit
[some] key to boot from the disc? Just setting the BIOS to specify the
boot order has CD/DVD before HDD doesn't preclude the boot sequence from
issuing the prompt to boot from CD/DVD, timing out, and moving on to the
next device in the BIOS boot order (i.e., HDD). Some computers boot so
fast that the prompt to "hit a key to boot from CD/DVD" may flash on and
off too quickly for you to notice or get masked by clearing the POST
screen and Windows starting to load before the video shows the boot from
disc prompt. Check what the manual says for your motherboard or
pre-built computer to find out what key (if a special one instead of any
key) will have it boot from the optical drive if it is listed in the
BIOS boot order before the HDD. You might have to wait until the POST
screen disappears and immediately start tapping the key to tell the BIOS
to boot from the disc instead of timing out and proceeding to the HDD;
i.e., you will have to hit the trigger key in the blind.

Or a floppy either for that matter.


That must be a bootable diskette, too, not just containing data files.
That device would have to be listed first in the BIOS boot order
sequence (before the optical and hard drives).

Does anyone know how to deal with this thing or suggest another
virtual machine ?


You haven't identified what is the contents of the ISO "thing".

Virtual box I can't get to work because it says something about COM.


Is "it" Virtualbox issuing the error? Or is the Windows 98 installer
issuing the error?

And an error.


Oh, a secret error. Can't help with those.


It's a full version of 98 se cd. I have booted and virtually installed
this with other older versions of virtual box. Virtual Box doesn't want to
run on my xp x64 pro now. I don't know if this helps or not.

Bill


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Old April 19th 15, 07:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill Cunningham
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"Bill Cunningham" wrote in message
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It's a full version of 98 se cd. I have booted and virtually installed
this with other older versions of virtual box. Virtual Box doesn't want to
run on my xp x64 pro now. I don't know if this helps or not.


And yes there is a setup.exe. But the cdrom is not virtually bootable.
Ther eis a selection to make a VM for 98.

Bill


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Old April 19th 15, 08:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill Cunningham
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Bill Cunningham wrote:

I have an ISO of win98se and can't get that vitual pc 2007 to boot it.


VMMs (Virtual Machine Managers) don't boot .iso files. You also don't
say if the ISO is for the setup config of files (i.e., bootable disc
with setup.exe) for Windows 98 or if it is a copy of an already
installed instance of Windows 98 (but the disc must be made bootable
since you won't be reading the boot sector and boot loader code from the
HDD when booting from the disc), and whether either ISO is an unfettered
full version or an upgrade version (neither have been installed anywhere
else).

I play with the bios and it just won't boot from a virtual cdrom.


Requires that the disc in the optical drive be bootable. .iso files do
not make a disc bootable. Depending on what the ISO actually contains,
you will have to burn it *contents* to a disc. But first what the ISO
contains is a needed detail.

When you insert a bootable disc for something ELSE, do you see a prompt
during the computer's startup (after the POST screen) saying to hit
[some] key to boot from the disc? Just setting the BIOS to specify the
boot order has CD/DVD before HDD doesn't preclude the boot sequence from
issuing the prompt to boot from CD/DVD, timing out, and moving on to the
next device in the BIOS boot order (i.e., HDD). Some computers boot so
fast that the prompt to "hit a key to boot from CD/DVD" may flash on and
off too quickly for you to notice or get masked by clearing the POST
screen and Windows starting to load before the video shows the boot from
disc prompt. Check what the manual says for your motherboard or
pre-built computer to find out what key (if a special one instead of any
key) will have it boot from the optical drive if it is listed in the
BIOS boot order before the HDD. You might have to wait until the POST
screen disappears and immediately start tapping the key to tell the BIOS
to boot from the disc instead of timing out and proceeding to the HDD;
i.e., you will have to hit the trigger key in the blind.

Or a floppy either for that matter.


That must be a bootable diskette, too, not just containing data files.
That device would have to be listed first in the BIOS boot order
sequence (before the optical and hard drives).

Does anyone know how to deal with this thing or suggest another
virtual machine ?


You haven't identified what is the contents of the ISO "thing".

Virtual box I can't get to work because it says something about COM.


Is "it" Virtualbox issuing the error? Or is the Windows 98 installer
issuing the error?

And an error.


Oh, a secret error. Can't help with those.


I can create a virtual HD. And it wants to boot a floppy. One can
"attach" a virtualization iso and it should boot. I just can't get to the HD
on controler 2. Some of the terms here with COM2 and COM3 sound kind of old
to me. The PC 2007 has AMI bios. My machine has Phoenix bios. If ther eis
more info needed I can search for it. But I don't know what else to say.

Bill


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Old April 19th 15, 11:24 PM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Billy Ray Ferrell \USA Vice President 2016\[_2_]
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Bill Cunningham wrote:

I have an ISO of win98se and can't get that vitual pc 2007 to boot it.


VMMs (Virtual Machine Managers) don't boot .iso files.


Yes it will
If you know how
To set it up

It reads:

Floppy Images [
*.img, *.ima, *.dsk, *.vfd ]

CD Images [
*.iso ] too!

You also don't
say if the ISO is for the setup config of files (i.e., bootable disc
with setup.exe) for Windows 98 or if it is a copy of an already
installed instance of Windows 98 (but the disc must be made bootable
since you won't be reading the boot sector and boot loader code from the
HDD when booting from the disc), and whether either ISO is an unfettered
full version or an upgrade version (neither have been installed anywhere
else).


That's True

I play with the bios and it just won't boot from a virtual cdrom.


Requires that the disc in the optical drive be bootable. .iso files do
not make a disc bootable. Depending on what the ISO actually contains,
you will have to burn it *contents* to a disc. But first what the ISO
contains is a needed detail.


Virtual pc 2007 Read ISO
As if it was a Newly Burn
Bootable OS Disc
On D:\


When you insert a bootable disc i.e., you will have to hit the trigger key
in the blind.

Or a floppy either for that matter.


That must be a bootable diskette, too, not just containing data files.
That device would have to be listed first in the BIOS boot order
sequence (before the optical and hard drives).



A:\OS Start Computer Memory
Go for Virtual Disk too
You Have to have

A OS need to be install
on a Computer

A:\Fdisk

You Have to make C:\ with No OS

Restart
A:\OS Start Computer Memory

A:\Format C:/s



CD Rom Drive
Running
On D:\
http://mynews.from-tx.com/temp/win-9...chine-0019.png

Does anyone know how to deal with this thing or suggest another
virtual machine ?


You haven't identified what is the contents of the ISO "thing".

Virtual box I can't get to work because it says something about COM.


Is "it" Virtualbox issuing the error? Or is the Windows 98 installer
issuing the error?


In The Help File

Virtual PC
With Microsoft® Virtual PC 2007,
you can create and run one or
more virtual machines,
each with its own operating system,
on a single computer.

This provides you with the flexibility to
use different operating systems on one physical computer.
For more information about
the ways you can use virtual machines,


https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...PC%202007 &p=

For more information about using Virtual PC,
we recommend:

Before using Virtual PC,
see Checklist: Deploying Virtual PC.


For tips about using Virtual PC,
see Best Practices for Virtual PC.


For step-by-step instructions for specific tasks,
see How To Help for Virtual PC.


For general background information about Virtual PC,
see Concepts About Virtual PC.


For solutions to problems you might encounter,
see Troubleshooting Virtual PC.


For more information about Virtual PC,
see Resources for Virtual PC.


For information about obtaining technical support for Virtual PC,
see Technical Support Options for Virtual PC.


© 1985-2007 Microsoft Corporation.
All rights reserved.





And an error.


Oh, a secret error. Can't help with those.





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Old April 20th 15, 02:36 AM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
VanguardLH
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Billy Ray Ferrell wrote:

VanguardLH wrote

VMMs (Virtual Machine Managers) don't boot .iso files.


Yes it will If you know how To set it up


You are assuming the .iso file contains a bootable image.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl...s.aspx?id=5753

That is distributed using an .iso file. There is no OS within it. It
is not a bootable image inside the .iso file. It is a *data* image.
Microsoft expects you to burn the ISO to a CD-R to then load the disc
into an optical drive (or you can use a optical drive emulator to mount
the .iso file) and use an existing and running OS to read from the drive
for that disc to load and execute the installer within. It is just a
data image, not a bootable image.

The OP has not yet identified just what is inside the ISO file. "ISO of
Win98" might be a bootable ISO image (i.e., a clone of an instance of
Windows 98), it could be the installer disc, or it could be just a bunch
of [data] files copied from the OS partition into the image. ISOs are
also archive files.

It's been awhile since I last used VirtualPC 2007. As I recall, you had
to go into the properties of the VM to attach a physical optical drive
(in the host OS) to then see it inside the guest OS running in the VM.
Just loading a bootable disc in the optical drive which is only known to
the host OS won't make it available within the VM. Before getting too
far into diagnosis, we need to know if the the VM actually has a mapping
to the physical optical drive.

As I recall, you cannot attach a physical optical drive in the host OS
to the VM until you stopped the VM. That is, device changes required
the VM was not loaded; else, device options would be grayed out.

Virtual pc 2007 Read ISO As if it was a Newly Burn Bootable OS Disc On
D:\


Only if the .iso file is actually a disk image for an OS; i.e., so the
ISO is actually bootable. The OP has not identified *what* is inside
the .iso file.

The OP said, "play with the bios and it just won't boot from a virtual
cdrom". I don't remember there were any BIOS settings inside a VM. You
changed devices in the VM settings, not in an [emulated] BIOS.

When you insert a bootable disc i.e., you will have to hit the trigger key
in the blind.

Or a floppy either for that matter.


I doubt the OP has an .iso file containing a bootable Windows XP image
on a floppy drive so I focused on the likely media type: CD/DVD/BD disc.
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Old April 20th 15, 06:24 PM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill Cunningham
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...

I doubt the OP has an .iso file containing a bootable Windows XP image
on a floppy drive so I focused on the likely media type: CD/DVD/BD disc.


I've got it to boot bfore. Using virtualbox. Well virtualbox is working
now. It doesn't want to boot the .iso image bo\ut wants to boot the floppy.
Changing VM bios boot order doesn't seem to help.

Bill


 




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