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Old February 26th 14, 05:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly

Kernel-Ex Version 4.5.12 says it's intended to run Firefox 8.0.

While FF 8.0 does load, it's crashes almost everytime I close it, and
often when I clear the history (cache, cookies, etc). A few times this
crash locked up the whole computer, which has not happened to me in
years.

Before this, I had the previous version of Kernel-EX, and was running FF
3.0.0.28. That one dont crash, even though that version loads slower
than molasses in January (up to 2 minutes), and recently keeps giving me
problems on some websites, such as "no longer supported" messages on
sites like Youtube. And it also tends to get a lot of script errors
too. But this ver dont crash.

Just for the heck of it, I installed FF 4.x (most recent ver of 4).
Same as ver 8.0. Crashes when closing and sometimes when I clear cache.

I finally just uninstalled all of them and went back to version 3.

Kernel-EX dont seem to work as it claims, at least not for FF. I guess
it's time to start using XP on the internet, there just is no browser
that works in 98 anymore. My old favorite, K-Meleon gets a script error
every 5 minutes, Seamonkey (for 98) is also too old, and i dont use IE.
(it's not even installed). I wont touch Opera with another man's _ick
on the end of a 10 foot pole. I looked into a few others and none are
suited for Win98 anymore.....

I'm not real fond of XP, but I guess the time has come to force myself
to like it.... I know I'll miss W98se.



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Old February 26th 14, 07:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co
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Default Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly

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Kernel-Ex Version 4.5.12 says it's intended to run Firefox 8.0.

While FF 8.0 does load, it's crashes almost everytime I close it, and
often when I clear the history (cache, cookies, etc). A few times this
crash locked up the whole computer, which has not happened to me in
years.

Before this, I had the previous version of Kernel-EX, and was running FF
3.0.0.28. That one dont crash, even though that version loads slower
than molasses in January (up to 2 minutes), and recently keeps giving me
problems on some websites, such as "no longer supported" messages on
sites like Youtube. And it also tends to get a lot of script errors
too. But this ver dont crash.

Just for the heck of it, I installed FF 4.x (most recent ver of 4).
Same as ver 8.0. Crashes when closing and sometimes when I clear cache.

I finally just uninstalled all of them and went back to version 3.

Kernel-EX dont seem to work as it claims, at least not for FF. I guess
it's time to start using XP on the internet, there just is no browser
that works in 98 anymore. My old favorite, K-Meleon gets a script error
every 5 minutes, Seamonkey (for 98) is also too old, and i dont use IE.
(it's not even installed). I wont touch Opera with another man's _ick
on the end of a 10 foot pole. I looked into a few others and none are
suited for Win98 anymore.....

I'm not real fond of XP, but I guess the time has come to force myself
to like it.... I know I'll miss W98se.


I used to feel the same way you do. But I've got XP pretty well tamed and
customized to be pretty close to 98SE, for all intents and purposes. Plus
with XP, you can at least run a lot more software since the past decade. :-)
That said, I miss 98SE, at least on some occasions.

But some of the latest software nowadays is even requiring Vista or Win7.
Fortunately, nothing I want, however. :-)


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Old February 26th 14, 08:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly

On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 23:23:20 -0700, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

wrote:
Kernel-Ex Version 4.5.12 says it's intended to run Firefox 8.0.

While FF 8.0 does load, it's crashes almost everytime I close it, and
often when I clear the history (cache, cookies, etc). A few times this
crash locked up the whole computer, which has not happened to me in
years.

Before this, I had the previous version of Kernel-EX, and was running FF
3.0.0.28. That one dont crash, even though that version loads slower
than molasses in January (up to 2 minutes), and recently keeps giving me
problems on some websites, such as "no longer supported" messages on
sites like Youtube. And it also tends to get a lot of script errors
too. But this ver dont crash.

Just for the heck of it, I installed FF 4.x (most recent ver of 4).
Same as ver 8.0. Crashes when closing and sometimes when I clear cache.

I finally just uninstalled all of them and went back to version 3.

Kernel-EX dont seem to work as it claims, at least not for FF. I guess
it's time to start using XP on the internet, there just is no browser
that works in 98 anymore. My old favorite, K-Meleon gets a script error
every 5 minutes, Seamonkey (for 98) is also too old, and i dont use IE.
(it's not even installed). I wont touch Opera with another man's _ick
on the end of a 10 foot pole. I looked into a few others and none are
suited for Win98 anymore.....

I'm not real fond of XP, but I guess the time has come to force myself
to like it.... I know I'll miss W98se.


I used to feel the same way you do. But I've got XP pretty well tamed and
customized to be pretty close to 98SE, for all intents and purposes. Plus
with XP, you can at least run a lot more software since the past decade. :-)
That said, I miss 98SE, at least on some occasions.

But some of the latest software nowadays is even requiring Vista or Win7.
Fortunately, nothing I want, however. :-)


At this point, I'm gonna just setup XP for the internet. I have
hundreds of programs set up in 98, for all needs and uses. 98 continues
to work perfectly for music, videos, inage editing, and my home office
needs. It's just the web browsers that are constantly screwing up and
irritating me. I feel pretty safe using 98 online, regarding viruses
and malware. No one attacks 98 anymore, and aside from some adware, I
have not had any virus or severe problems with malware in years. I dont
feel the same about XP, which seems to attract malware lke a trap. So,
in some ways, maybe having the internet separated from my other programs
may be a good thing. But I need to get one of those switchers for the
Kbd, Mse, and Monitor. Having two of each takes up too much space,and
tends to confuse me too.

I would like to find a step by step text file showing me how to make XP
look and act more like 98. Yea, I got the classic style desktop set,
and the same for the Start button menu, but it still does things that
annoy me. Of course I have my W98 computer setup more like Win3.x, than
most people. I like having everything in icons on the desktop, Each
group has many programs inside of it. There are groups like OFFICE -
INTERNET - VIDEOS - UTILITIES - SYSTEM - NOTES - GRAPIHICS - MUSIC PROGS
- etc.... I rarely use the START button except to turn off the
computer.

Anyhow, that seems to be the plan. For one thing I run an old dos
database, which contains phone - address, - email and other stuff for
everyone i know, and for my business. It has hundreds of entries. I'm
not about to retype all that into a windows based DB. I dont know how I
can run that thing in XP. So, I guess the way to go is to use two
computers, and XP will just be for the internet mostly. I would not
even consider Vista, that was a disaster right from it's start. I'd
rather go right to Win 7 or 8, if I had to go past XP, but that would
mean a much newer and costly computer. I'll just stick to my homemade
systems that i put together from older systems, which do all I need.



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Old February 26th 14, 08:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly








On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 23:23:20 -0700, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

wrote:
Kernel-Ex Version 4.5.12 says it's intended to run Firefox 8.0.

While FF 8.0 does load, it's crashes almost everytime I close it, and
often when I clear the history (cache, cookies, etc). A few times this
crash locked up the whole computer, which has not happened to me in
years.

Before this, I had the previous version of Kernel-EX, and was running FF
3.0.0.28. That one dont crash, even though that version loads slower
than molasses in January (up to 2 minutes), and recently keeps giving me
problems on some websites, such as "no longer supported" messages on
sites like Youtube. And it also tends to get a lot of script errors
too. But this ver dont crash.

Just for the heck of it, I installed FF 4.x (most recent ver of 4).
Same as ver 8.0. Crashes when closing and sometimes when I clear cache.

I finally just uninstalled all of them and went back to version 3.

Kernel-EX dont seem to work as it claims, at least not for FF. I guess
it's time to start using XP on the internet, there just is no browser
that works in 98 anymore. My old favorite, K-Meleon gets a script error
every 5 minutes, Seamonkey (for 98) is also too old, and i dont use IE.
(it's not even installed). I wont touch Opera with another man's _ick
on the end of a 10 foot pole. I looked into a few others and none are
suited for Win98 anymore.....

I'm not real fond of XP, but I guess the time has come to force myself
to like it.... I know I'll miss W98se.


I used to feel the same way you do. But I've got XP pretty well tamed and
customized to be pretty close to 98SE, for all intents and purposes. Plus
with XP, you can at least run a lot more software since the past decade. :-)
That said, I miss 98SE, at least on some occasions.

But some of the latest software nowadays is even requiring Vista or Win7.
Fortunately, nothing I want, however. :-)


At this point, I'm gonna just setup XP for the internet. I have
hundreds of programs set up in 98, for all needs and uses. 98 continues
to work perfectly for music, videos, inage editing, and my home office
needs. It's just the web browsers that are constantly screwing up and
irritating me. I feel pretty safe using 98 online, regarding viruses
and malware. No one attacks 98 anymore, and aside from some adware, I
have not had any virus or severe problems with malware in years. I dont
feel the same about XP, which seems to attract malware lke a trap. So,
in some ways, maybe having the internet separated from my other programs
may be a good thing. But I need to get one of those switchers for the
Kbd, Mse, and Monitor. Having two of each takes up too much space,and
tends to confuse me too.

I would like to find a step by step text file showing me how to make XP
look and act more like 98. Yea, I got the classic style desktop set,
and the same for the Start button menu, but it still does things that
annoy me. Of course I have my W98 computer setup more like Win3.x, than
most people. I like having everything in icons on the desktop, Each
group has many programs inside of it. There are groups like OFFICE -
INTERNET - VIDEOS - UTILITIES - SYSTEM - NOTES - GRAPIHICS - MUSIC PROGS
- etc.... I rarely use the START button except to turn off the
computer.

Anyhow, that seems to be the plan. For one thing I run an old dos
database, which contains phone - address, - email and other stuff for
everyone i know, and for my business. It has hundreds of entries. I'm
not about to retype all that into a windows based DB. I dont know how I
can run that thing in XP. So, I guess the way to go is to use two
computers, and XP will just be for the internet mostly. I would not
even consider Vista, that was a disaster right from it's start. I'd
rather go right to Win 7 or 8, if I had to go past XP, but that would
mean a much newer and costly computer. I'll just stick to my homemade
systems that i put together from older systems, which do all I need.



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Old March 1st 14, 10:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Default Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly (now 98, XP, etc.)

In message ,
writes:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 23:23:20 -0700, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

wrote:

[]
I'm not real fond of XP, but I guess the time has come to force myself
to like it.... I know I'll miss W98se.


I used to feel the same way you do. But I've got XP pretty well tamed and
customized to be pretty close to 98SE, for all intents and purposes. Plus


Me too. And - grudgingly - I _do_ have to admit it seems a lot more
stable. (Having said that, I have hardly had any problems with my old
'98SElite machine for years, but then I only use it for a very limited
range of things now. [Including accessing one website, with Firefox 2 -
I haven't got KernelEx on it.] Actually come to think of it my _other_
98SElite machine, the sound is screwed.)

with XP, you can at least run a lot more software since the past decade. :-)


And it _does_ work more happily with quite a lot of USB devices - all
memory sticks, card readers, and webcams I've tried.

That said, I miss 98SE, at least on some occasions.


Me too - mainly its simplicity. Also (though I haven't done it for
years), I like knowing I could boot from a DOS floppy and still access
all the files. Mind you, _if_ installed on FAT rather than NTFS, that
would probably apply to XP too - though I have a sneaking feeling (and
I'm sure a lot of its enthusiasts would insist on it) that the better
robustness I've experienced with this XP machine _might_ have something
to do with it being on NTFS. (FWIW, I've set up BARTPE - as recommended
to me by ERUNT's author when I asked him for something similar - as an
alternative thing to boot into should XP ever be unbootable; I've never
had to use it [though did check I _could_ restore using it!], though.
I'd definitely recommend ERUNT - it's ERU for NT-based systems; ERU
under '9x got me out of holes often enough under '9x that I felt happier
with it there.)

But some of the latest software nowadays is even requiring Vista or Win7.
Fortunately, nothing I want, however. :-)


Ditto.


At this point, I'm gonna just setup XP for the internet. I have
hundreds of programs set up in 98, for all needs and uses. 98 continues
to work perfectly for music, videos, inage editing, and my home office
needs. It's just the web browsers that are constantly screwing up and


It was my intention to keep the '98 as my main machine. I bought this XP
one - a netbook - just around the time XP was being replaced by Vista (I
was certainly lucky _there_: from experience I've had with Vista on
other people's machines, it _is_ a bit of a pain to use). However,
partly perhaps due to its portability (it's a _large_ netbook, about a
12", not one of those 10" - apart from anything else, that means the
keyboard keys are 9x% full size, which they aren't on the smaller
models), it has become my main machine, and the 98 ones don't get turned
on much - the desktop one just to access files really, and the laptop
for that website. There is a _lot_ of freeware out there that means I've
got this XP much as I had '98 - lots of utilities, and beaten into
submission.

irritating me. I feel pretty safe using 98 online, regarding viruses
and malware. No one attacks 98 anymore, and aside from some adware, I


I actually feel the same now about XP: I have an ancient firewall (Kerio
2.1.5), that still seems to work (pop up and ask me whenever anything
tries to go in or out that I haven't previously told it to pass or
block), and an AV that's still being updated (I am using Avira, but
several of the others have also said they'll continue to support XP for
a while). There's obviously concern that the black hats are storing up
vulnerabilities until just after A-day, but I suspect (with no evidence
mind!) that this is exaggerated or at least will be controlled by the AV
folk. (I've never actually _had_ a virus on XP - nor '9x or 3.1x, for
that matter. I think practicing "safe hex" - as those of us who've been
around this long, including you of course, probably do instinctively -
keeps one OK.)

have not had any virus or severe problems with malware in years. I dont
feel the same about XP, which seems to attract malware lke a trap. So,


I think it's going down - they're moving to 7 and beyond - though
obviously go carefully. In particular, as regards unwanted things rather
than actual malware as such, when installing freeware utilities, these
days always select the custom option not the default install, as
otherwise you'll get extras you don't want; this isn't really something
new with XP (it certainly applies to 7 and later too), just a new
funding model freeware authors are switching to in large numbers (and
one can't really blame them), and the only reason it hasn't really
affected '9x is that there's so little _new_ (or updated) being written
for that.

in some ways, maybe having the internet separated from my other programs
may be a good thing. But I need to get one of those switchers for the
Kbd, Mse, and Monitor. Having two of each takes up too much space,and
tends to confuse me too.


Get a laptop for the XP - or a big netbook like this one. (I thought the
lack of an optical drive [which is what I think makes it a netbook]
would be a pain, but to be honest I've only used the external drive I
bought for it extremely rarely; CDs and even DVDs are sort of old hat
these days.)

I would like to find a step by step text file showing me how to make XP
look and act more like 98. Yea, I got the classic style desktop set,
and the same for the Start button menu, but it still does things that


You can ask here and on the XP 'group about specific things - I don't
think a general such file would be practical as each migrator would want
slightly different things. (You can email me privately too if you wish.)
The XP 'group is microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion; it no longer has
anything to do with Microsoft (they withdrew usenet support some years
ago, but various newsservers around the world continue to carry it), and
in fact it's now inhabited by older XP users in much the same way the
'98 'groups were/are.

annoy me. Of course I have my W98 computer setup more like Win3.x, than
most people. I like having everything in icons on the desktop, Each
group has many programs inside of it. There are groups like OFFICE -
INTERNET - VIDEOS - UTILITIES - SYSTEM - NOTES - GRAPIHICS - MUSIC PROGS
- etc.... I rarely use the START button except to turn off the
computer.


I have the Start menu set up much as you describe, with groups -
#genealogy, #hardware, #internet, #processes, #screensavers,
#sound&vi.deo, #utils - into which I've moved most of the other things;
it's a little bit easier to rearrange than under '9x (you can actually
drag things around in it, though that _can_ be irritating, but you can
also right-click and open/explore bits of it), and I tend to use it
rather than my desktop icons (which I, too, have a lot of) because
they're under something. (I tend to have more things open at once than I
used to, though I think that's just experience rather than XP, i. e. I
would have under '9x too I think if I were still using it. I _do_ still
have a few desktop icons I use a lot - but they tend to be around the
edge of the screen where they get obscured less [I rarely run windows
full-screen].)

Anyhow, that seems to be the plan. For one thing I run an old dos
database, which contains phone - address, - email and other stuff for
everyone i know, and for my business. It has hundreds of entries. I'm
not about to retype all that into a windows based DB. I dont know how I
can run that thing in XP. So, I guess the way to go is to use two


Probably just by trying it! So far, I've found most DOS things work fine
in XP, apart from obviously they use 8.3 filenames (which are still
there in XP). For example, SUBST, Xtree Gold, Edit (if you really want
it!), and the 453-byte (yes!) fire simulator I have. Oh, and some
Windows 3.1 utilities too.

computers, and XP will just be for the internet mostly. I would not
even consider Vista, that was a disaster right from it's start. I'd


Agreed, for anyone who actually wants to tweak. My brother's main
computer is Vista, but as he's an application user - he uses email, a
browser, and word processors, and that's more or less it - he cares
little what the underlying OS is.

rather go right to Win 7 or 8, if I had to go past XP, but that would
mean a much newer and costly computer. I'll just stick to my homemade


Indeed.

systems that i put together from older systems, which do all I need.

Do you have some sort of XP licence? Or an XP machine already set up,
just not yet hammered into submission? Either way, the one thing I'd say
is go for getting all the downloads/updates etc. sooner rather than
later: I suspect the servers at Microsoft will already be getting very
busy, as everybody XP does the same, in case MS turn them off in April.
(To be fair they haven't said they will, only stop writing _new_
bugfixes, but they could.)


--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Charity sees the need not the cause. -German proverb
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Old March 2nd 14, 02:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
pedro
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Default Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly (now 98, XP, etc.)

On Sat, 1 Mar 2014 09:07:37 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message ,
writes:

(snip)

You can ask here and on the XP 'group about specific things - I don't
think a general such file would be practical as each migrator would want
slightly different things. (You can email me privately too if you wish.)
The XP 'group is microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion;


98?? typo?

(more snip)

So far, I've found most DOS things work fine
in XP, apart from obviously they use 8.3 filenames (which are still
there in XP). For example, SUBST, Xtree Gold ...


I never could get XTree Gold to behave really nicely even in 98SE, so
I switched to eXtreme. Uses pretty much all the XTree commands BUT is
sensitive to caps lock status on some.

Right now I'm in the throes of moving on from 98SE, sadly. It's been
good to me for a v.long time. As I could never get Kernelex to play
nice, the spread of HTML5 has given FF2.0.0.20 a torrid time with
stalling scripts etc etc.

I have an XP lappie that I use occasionally and also use SWMBO's Win7
lappie at odd times, so I at least have passing familiarity with those
OS's. Meanwhile my son has just set up my alternate desktop box with
Win7U.

What will be the biggest PITA of leaving 98 as my "daily drive" is the
legacy apps that I need occasionally, and the loss of REAL
serial/parallel ports.
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Old March 2nd 14, 02:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy[_3_]
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Default Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly (now 98, XP, etc.)

pedro wrote:

As I could never get Kernelex to play nice


What are the hardware specs of your win-98 system? What CPU, and how
much RAM?

Is it some special install of win-98 like Lite?

KernelEx requires unicode, but the KernelEx install will go out and get
it by default.

Have you done a full defrag / scandisk / surface scan on your hard
drive? You might have some file-system errors or bad sectors that are
the underlying problem.
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Old March 2nd 14, 03:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Default Kernel-Ex dont run Firefox properly (now 98, XP, etc.)

In message , pedro
writes:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2014 09:07:37 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message ,
writes:

(snip)

You can ask here and on the XP 'group about specific things - I don't
think a general such file would be practical as each migrator would want
slightly different things. (You can email me privately too if you wish.)
The XP 'group is microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion;


98?? typo?


Oops - more a matter of copying the wrong line (-:. It's
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general - not quite the same.
[]
Right now I'm in the throes of moving on from 98SE, sadly. It's been
good to me for a v.long time. As I could never get Kernelex to play
nice, the spread of HTML5 has given FF2.0.0.20 a torrid time with
stalling scripts etc etc.

I have an XP lappie that I use occasionally and also use SWMBO's Win7
lappie at odd times, so I at least have passing familiarity with those
OS's. Meanwhile my son has just set up my alternate desktop box with
Win7U.

What will be the biggest PITA of leaving 98 as my "daily drive" is the
legacy apps that I need occasionally, and the loss of REAL
serial/parallel ports.


To be fair, the loss of the ports isn't XP's fault; XP works fine with
real serial/parallel ports. (As, I think, does 7.)

As for the legacy apps, they may well still work (though you _might_
have to learn a few wrinkles) under XP; try them. If you still have the
install discs (or can download the installers), try those first -
failing that, try copying over the relevant folders, though that's less
likely to be trouble-free (as it would indeed be under 98).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

After all is said and done, usually more is said.
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Old March 2nd 14, 11:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"98 Guy" "98"@Guy. com wrote in message ...
pedro wrote:
As I could never get Kernelex to play nice

What are the hardware specs of your win-98 system? What CPU, and how
much RAM?
Is it some special install of win-98 like Lite?

KernelEx requires unicode, but the KernelEx install will go out and get
it by default.


Download and Info for Microsoft® unicode.dll.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl...s.aspx?id=4237
Put it in c:\windows\systems32\
Then Restart Computer

For KernelEx will fine it there


Have you done a full defrag / scandisk / surface scan on your hard
drive? You might have some file-system errors or bad sectors that are
the underlying problem.



 




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