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Old November 16th 06, 03:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
DJW
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Default Bootable hard drive and two hard drives and two OSs?

I want to install new hard drive I will set the jumpers to master and
cable select that I will run fdisk and then install windows 98SE. Do I
have to do anything in order to make it a bootable hard disk?

Also if I install the old drive as the slave and remove the master
jumper still with the older OS windows 98 will all hell break loss at
startup. Will the CPU not know what drive to boot with?

Can a slave be booted from? As with a Mac could I have multiple OSs on
different volumes and boot from which ever I force to do?

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Old November 16th 06, 03:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Don Phillipson
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Default Bootable hard drive and two hard drives and two OSs?

"DJW" wrote in message
ups.com...

I want to install new hard drive I will set the jumpers to master and
cable select that I will run fdisk and then install windows 98SE. Do I
have to do anything in order to make it a bootable hard disk?


1. The CABLE SELECT setting works only when you
have the approprate data cable, unmentioned here.

2. After FDISK you need to FORMAT any disk drive
before it becomes usable. Have a look at procedures
and checklists at
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html

Also if I install the old drive as the slave and remove the master
jumper still with the older OS windows 98 will all hell break loss at
startup. Will the CPU not know what drive to boot with?


3. The places where a PC looks for bootup code are
governed by BIOS settings. The BIOS setting for "hard
drive" looks to whichever hard drive is recognized by
FDISK as a Primary DOS partition.

Can a slave be booted from? As with a Mac could I have multiple OSs on
different volumes and boot from which ever I force to do?


4. Special-purpose Boot Manager software can run a
PC Windows with two or more optional boot drives. The
main question is what PC tasks you want to enable
that requires booting any OS different from your primary
one. Any hard drive can be made bootable, but vanilla
Windows expects only one (Primary DOS) partition to
be bootable.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


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Old November 17th 06, 12:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Jonny
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Default Bootable hard drive and two hard drives and two OSs?

"DJW" wrote in message
ups.com...
I want to install new hard drive I will set the jumpers to master and


You can't set jumpers to both master and cable select. One or the other,
not both.

cable select that I will run fdisk and then install windows 98SE. Do I
have to do anything in order to make it a bootable hard disk?


Two things have to occur. You need a partition that is primary and active.
You need to install the boot files on that partition in the proper location.

Also if I install the old drive as the slave and remove the master
jumper still with the older OS windows 98 will all hell break loss at
startup. Will the CPU not know what drive to boot with?


If the bios setting for booting is not modified to seek another hard drive
for booting, the PC will attempt to boot from the first hard drive found
only. If the previous hard drive is set to cable select, and on the same
ide cable, the other hard drive must be set to cable select.

Can a slave be booted from? As with a Mac could I have multiple OSs on
different volumes and boot from which ever I force to do?


Some bios and some 3rd party boot managers allow booting from hard drives
other than the primary, master if it exists as such.

NT/XP has an option for booting windows from other than the default
installation location. The actual boot files themselves are on the C:
partition though.
--
Jonny


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Old November 20th 06, 03:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
DJW
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Default Bootable hard drive and two hard drives and two OSs?


Jonny wrote:
"DJW" wrote in message
ups.com...
I want to install new hard drive I will set the jumpers to master and


You can't set jumpers to both master and cable select. One or the other,
not both.

cable select that I will run fdisk and then install windows 98SE. Do I
have to do anything in order to make it a bootable hard disk?


Two things have to occur. You need a partition that is primary and active.
You need to install the boot files on that partition in the proper location.

Also if I install the old drive as the slave and remove the master
jumper still with the older OS windows 98 will all hell break loss at
startup. Will the CPU not know what drive to boot with?


If the bios setting for booting is not modified to seek another hard drive
for booting, the PC will attempt to boot from the first hard drive found
only. If the previous hard drive is set to cable select, and on the same
ide cable, the other hard drive must be set to cable select.

Can a slave be booted from? As with a Mac could I have multiple OSs on
different volumes and boot from which ever I force to do?


Some bios and some 3rd party boot managers allow booting from hard drives
other than the primary, master if it exists as such.

NT/XP has an option for booting windows from other than the default
installation location. The actual boot files themselves are on the C:
partition though.
--
Jonny


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Old November 20th 06, 03:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
DJW
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Posts: 86
Default Bootable hard drive and two hard drives and two OSs?


DJW wrote:
Jonny wrote:
"DJW" wrote in message
ups.com...
I want to install new hard drive I will set the jumpers to master and


You can't set jumpers to both master and cable select. One or the other,
not both.

My manual says use cable select but do you think they mean only to
added ide things on that bus. i did add the cable select jumper to the
master with the master jumper on and also to the slave as the only set
jumper. All seems so fsr ok. Should i remove the cable selesct from the
master HD because it may give me problem down the road. Just what does
the cable select setting do?
cable select that I will run fdisk and then install windows 98SE. Do I
have to do anything in order to make it a bootable hard disk?


Two things have to occur. You need a partition that is primary and active.
You need to install the boot files on that partition in the proper location.

Also if I install the old drive as the slave and remove the master
jumper still with the older OS windows 98 will all hell break loss at
startup. Will the CPU not know what drive to boot with?


If the bios setting for booting is not modified to seek another hard drive
for booting, the PC will attempt to boot from the first hard drive found
only. If the previous hard drive is set to cable select, and on the same
ide cable, the other hard drive must be set to cable select.

Can a slave be booted from? As with a Mac could I have multiple OSs on
different volumes and boot from which ever I force to do?


Some bios and some 3rd party boot managers allow booting from hard drives
other than the primary, master if it exists as such.

NT/XP has an option for booting windows from other than the default
installation location. The actual boot files themselves are on the C:
partition though.
--
Jonny


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Old November 21st 06, 02:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Gary S. Terhune
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Posts: 1,846
Default Bootable hard drive and two hard drives and two OSs?

Cable Select is a protocol that determines which drive is Master and which
is Slave solely by their position on the cable (end or middle connector.) To
use Cable Select, you need to have a modern IDE connector (which you
probably have), a special 80-conductor cable (which you may or may not have)
and both drives set to use CS. You don't have jumpers for CS *and* Master
(or Slave), you have jumpers for CS *or* Master (/Slave).

Your better bet is to use Master and Slave jumper settings, not Cable
Select. But if your system is running fine now, it's probably OK to just
leave it the way it is.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"DJW" wrote in message
oups.com...

DJW wrote:
Jonny wrote:
"DJW" wrote in message
ups.com...
I want to install new hard drive I will set the jumpers to master and

You can't set jumpers to both master and cable select. One or the

other,
not both.

My manual says use cable select but do you think they mean only to
added ide things on that bus. i did add the cable select jumper to the
master with the master jumper on and also to the slave as the only set
jumper. All seems so fsr ok. Should i remove the cable selesct from the
master HD because it may give me problem down the road. Just what does
the cable select setting do?
cable select that I will run fdisk and then install windows 98SE. Do

I
have to do anything in order to make it a bootable hard disk?


Two things have to occur. You need a partition that is primary and

active.
You need to install the boot files on that partition in the proper

location.

Also if I install the old drive as the slave and remove the master
jumper still with the older OS windows 98 will all hell break loss

at
startup. Will the CPU not know what drive to boot with?


If the bios setting for booting is not modified to seek another hard

drive
for booting, the PC will attempt to boot from the first hard drive

found
only. If the previous hard drive is set to cable select, and on the

same
ide cable, the other hard drive must be set to cable select.

Can a slave be booted from? As with a Mac could I have multiple OSs

on
different volumes and boot from which ever I force to do?


Some bios and some 3rd party boot managers allow booting from hard

drives
other than the primary, master if it exists as such.

NT/XP has an option for booting windows from other than the default
installation location. The actual boot files themselves are on the C:
partition though.
--
Jonny




 




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