XP to Win98 network problem

Ah sorry Steve, not challenging you or anything, but you indicate XP's
firewall is enough. It doesn't appear to be:

http://www.firewallleaktester.com/index.html

There are several other testing sites that rank XP's firewall poorly on
their lists as well.


--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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"Steve Winograd" wrote in message
...
| On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:31:48 -0000, "Susan"
| wrote:
| Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up
| modem connection with another computer on the local network using
| Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the
| host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client
| computer.
|
| I've written some web pages showing how to set it up:
|
| ICS Installation [Win98SE]
| http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm
|
| Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
| http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics
|
| Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven.
|
| With just the TCP/IP protocol installed;
|
| The win98 can share files and access the internet.
| The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into
| ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the
| ethernet from internet to trusted zone.
| The xp can't share the internet.
|
| If I follow the instructions
| http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it
installs
| Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel
creates
| a floppy disk and requires me to restart.
|
| The win98 can then no longer access the internet.
|
| Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it?
| I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing
the
| connection.
|
| John
|
| The free version of ZoneAlarm is incompatible with Internet Connection
| Sharing on the host computer. To use XP as the host, you'll have to
| uninstall ZoneAlarm on XP. XP's built-in Windows Firewall gives the
| protection you need.
|
| Yes, you can have the modem in the Win98 computer. Win98 doesn't have
| a built-in Internet sharing capability -- that requires ICS or a
| similar third-party program.
| --
| Best Wishes,
| Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
|
| Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
| for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
| addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
|
| Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
| http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

"Steve Winograd" wrote in message
...
| On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 00:21:05 -0500, "MEB" meb@not
| wrote:
|
| Ah sorry Steve, not challenging you or anything, but you indicate XP's
| firewall is enough. It doesn't appear to be:
|
| http://www.firewallleaktester.com/index.html
|
| There are several other testing sites that rank XP's firewall poorly on
| their lists as well.
|
| I'd like to kknow more about this. Where do I go on that site to find
| information about XP's firewall?
| --
| Best Wishes,
| Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
|
| Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
| http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Pick which group of tests you wish to view on the side panel, view the
testing procedure page, and then click the provided link to view the
results. Note, you must allow a cookie.

As an alternative, you can download the test tools -click the tool wanted -
and produce your own results [IIRC].

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

"Steve Winograd" wrote in message
...
| On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 00:21:05 -0500, "MEB" meb@not
| wrote:
|
| Ah sorry Steve, not challenging you or anything, but you indicate XP's
| firewall is enough. It doesn't appear to be:
|
| http://www.firewallleaktester.com/index.html
|
| There are several other testing sites that rank XP's firewall poorly on
| their lists as well.
|
| I'd like to kknow more about this. Where do I go on that site to find
| information about XP's firewall?
| --
| Best Wishes,
| Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
|
| Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
| http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Pick which group of tests you wish to view on the side panel, view the
testing procedure page, and then click the provided link to view the
results. Note, you must allow a cookie.

As an alternative, you can download the test tools -click the tool wanted -
and produce your own results [IIRC].

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

"Steve Winograd" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:43:05 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:
A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be
unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both
computers and configuring TCP/IP properly.

A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the original
problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow
File and Printer Sharing on the local area network.

Thanks for the help.

I removed all NETBEUI protocols.
ZoneAlarm was blocking access.
Setting Internet and Trusted zones to low(off) allows it to work.
Adding the XP "Sues" to the trusted zone in zonealarm (Firewall/Zones)
allows it to work with High and Medium settings.

I still can't get access to the internet from the XP via the Win98
dial-up
modem.

Trying to access with Outlook Express gives the error message "The host
mail.btinternet.com could not be found...."

John

You're welcome, John. Nice job of figuring out the firewall settings.

Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up
modem connection with another computer on the local network using
Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the
host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client
computer.

I've written some web pages showing how to set it up:

ICS Installation [Win98SE]
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)


Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven.


With just the TCP/IP protocol installed;

The win98 can share files and access the internet.
The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into
ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the
ethernet from internet to trusted zone.
The xp can't share the internet.

If I follow the instructions
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it installs
Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel creates
a floppy disk and requires me to restart.

The win98 can then no longer access the internet.

Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it?
I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing the
connection.

John

"Steve Winograd" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:43:05 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:
A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be
unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both
computers and configuring TCP/IP properly.

A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the original
problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow
File and Printer Sharing on the local area network.

Thanks for the help.

I removed all NETBEUI protocols.
ZoneAlarm was blocking access.
Setting Internet and Trusted zones to low(off) allows it to work.
Adding the XP "Sues" to the trusted zone in zonealarm (Firewall/Zones)
allows it to work with High and Medium settings.

I still can't get access to the internet from the XP via the Win98
dial-up
modem.

Trying to access with Outlook Express gives the error message "The host
mail.btinternet.com could not be found...."

John

You're welcome, John. Nice job of figuring out the firewall settings.

Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up
modem connection with another computer on the local network using
Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the
host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client
computer.

I've written some web pages showing how to set it up:

ICS Installation [Win98SE]
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)


Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven.


With just the TCP/IP protocol installed;

The win98 can share files and access the internet.
The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into
ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the
ethernet from internet to trusted zone.
The xp can't share the internet.

If I follow the instructions
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it installs
Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel creates
a floppy disk and requires me to restart.

The win98 can then no longer access the internet.

Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it?
I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing the
connection.

John

"John John" wrote in message
...
| James Egan wrote:
|
| If outbound blocking is detected then you are already infected and
| it's not the "job" of a firewall to deal with that.
|
| You fail to understand the importance of egress filtering, without it
| your network security is incomplete.
|
| John
|

Taking this a bit farther,,,

One doesn't necessarily need to be 'already infected' for these types of
attacks to occur. The tools used to test the firewalls are designed to mimic
know usage one is likely to encounter on the Internet. Yes, firewalls were
once thought to not need these types of additional protections, however, a
good one already monitors application usage in its rules, is already loaded,
and is the application which first processes IP requests and seems prime
candidate to provide this final outbound "selective" service. Anti-SpyWare
programs and Anti-Virus programs remain a second layer, or as we now see,
are being integrated into almost every firewall application or visversa.
.. Has anyone failed to notice that packet filtering is now being used
everywhere.

If one has kept up with the capabilities {and potential mis-use} and
vulnerabilities of Flash, Java, DirectX, SSI, php scripts, Cold Fusion
hacks, Apache hacks, Windows Server hacks; issues in: Web 2.0, HTML 5, and
other aspects including browser, mail client, ADOBE Reader and other
standard Internet application vulnerabilities; and yes even IPv6 and WIFI's
WEP and WPA; reliance upon one way (or non-monitoring) firewalls regardless
of supposed additional protection via router IMO is not conducive to what we
are supposedly here to provide. The more selective the rule set, the greater
the protection.

One doesn't need to be 'already infected', one only needs to contact the
Internet in some form and make the mistake of visiting some malicious site
[and they certainly aren't going to have flashing signs which pop-up YOU ARE
BEING HACKED], or open some innocuous email, or be subjected to some hackers
new and unknown piggy-backed DNS or other hack while connecting to their
supposedly secure and monitored ISP, or merely leaving their WIFI
transmitter turned on..

Taken in conjunction with the massed attacks of worms, Trojans, email
hacks, dozens of new virus and new variants of old viruses, SpyWare,
rootkits, etc.and vulnerabilities in VPN, SSL, and other supposed secured
communications that anyone and EVERYONE on the Internet is subjected to; and
when almost every site now has several Adverti$ing links or other off-site
materials loaded with their page, increases the chance that those other
sites may have been hacked or were highjacked on the way to the site being
viewed.

There has never been a time when LAYERED security has been more important,
and ANYTHING done to increase a segment of that security layering is one
more step to providing protection. As the saying goes, 'the strength of a
chain is determined by its weakest link' so having the weakest link as the
first link, just doesn't seem very smart to me.

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

"John John" wrote in message
...
| James Egan wrote:
|
| If outbound blocking is detected then you are already infected and
| it's not the "job" of a firewall to deal with that.
|
| You fail to understand the importance of egress filtering, without it
| your network security is incomplete.
|
| John
|

Taking this a bit farther,,,

One doesn't necessarily need to be 'already infected' for these types of
attacks to occur. The tools used to test the firewalls are designed to mimic
know usage one is likely to encounter on the Internet. Yes, firewalls were
once thought to not need these types of additional protections, however, a
good one already monitors application usage in its rules, is already loaded,
and is the application which first processes IP requests and seems prime
candidate to provide this final outbound "selective" service. Anti-SpyWare
programs and Anti-Virus programs remain a second layer, or as we now see,
are being integrated into almost every firewall application or visversa.
.. Has anyone failed to notice that packet filtering is now being used
everywhere.

If one has kept up with the capabilities {and potential mis-use} and
vulnerabilities of Flash, Java, DirectX, SSI, php scripts, Cold Fusion
hacks, Apache hacks, Windows Server hacks; issues in: Web 2.0, HTML 5, and
other aspects including browser, mail client, ADOBE Reader and other
standard Internet application vulnerabilities; and yes even IPv6 and WIFI's
WEP and WPA; reliance upon one way (or non-monitoring) firewalls regardless
of supposed additional protection via router IMO is not conducive to what we
are supposedly here to provide. The more selective the rule set, the greater
the protection.

One doesn't need to be 'already infected', one only needs to contact the
Internet in some form and make the mistake of visiting some malicious site
[and they certainly aren't going to have flashing signs which pop-up YOU ARE
BEING HACKED], or open some innocuous email, or be subjected to some hackers
new and unknown piggy-backed DNS or other hack while connecting to their
supposedly secure and monitored ISP, or merely leaving their WIFI
transmitter turned on..

Taken in conjunction with the massed attacks of worms, Trojans, email
hacks, dozens of new virus and new variants of old viruses, SpyWare,
rootkits, etc.and vulnerabilities in VPN, SSL, and other supposed secured
communications that anyone and EVERYONE on the Internet is subjected to; and
when almost every site now has several Adverti$ing links or other off-site
materials loaded with their page, increases the chance that those other
sites may have been hacked or were highjacked on the way to the site being
viewed.

There has never been a time when LAYERED security has been more important,
and ANYTHING done to increase a segment of that security layering is one
more step to providing protection. As the saying goes, 'the strength of a
chain is determined by its weakest link' so having the weakest link as the
first link, just doesn't seem very smart to me.

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:31:48 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:
Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up
modem connection with another computer on the local network using
Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the
host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client
computer.

I've written some web pages showing how to set it up:

ICS Installation [Win98SE]
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics

Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven.

With just the TCP/IP protocol installed;

The win98 can share files and access the internet.
The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into
ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the
ethernet from internet to trusted zone.
The xp can't share the internet.

If I follow the instructions
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it installs
Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel creates
a floppy disk and requires me to restart.

The win98 can then no longer access the internet.

Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it?
I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing the
connection.

John

The free version of ZoneAlarm is incompatible with Internet Connection
Sharing on the host computer. To use XP as the host, you'll have to
uninstall ZoneAlarm on XP. XP's built-in Windows Firewall gives the
protection you need.

Yes, you can have the modem in the Win98 computer. Win98 doesn't have
a built-in Internet sharing capability -- that requires ICS or a
similar third-party program.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:31:48 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:
Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up
modem connection with another computer on the local network using
Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the
host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client
computer.

I've written some web pages showing how to set it up:

ICS Installation [Win98SE]
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics

Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven.

With just the TCP/IP protocol installed;

The win98 can share files and access the internet.
The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into
ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the
ethernet from internet to trusted zone.
The xp can't share the internet.

If I follow the instructions
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it installs
Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel creates
a floppy disk and requires me to restart.

The win98 can then no longer access the internet.

Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it?
I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing the
connection.

John

The free version of ZoneAlarm is incompatible with Internet Connection
Sharing on the host computer. To use XP as the host, you'll have to
uninstall ZoneAlarm on XP. XP's built-in Windows Firewall gives the
protection you need.

Yes, you can have the modem in the Win98 computer. Win98 doesn't have
a built-in Internet sharing capability -- that requires ICS or a
similar third-party program.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

"Steve Winograd" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:31:48 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:
Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up
modem connection with another computer on the local network using
Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the
host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client
computer.

I've written some web pages showing how to set it up:

ICS Installation [Win98SE]
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics

Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven.

With just the TCP/IP protocol installed;

The win98 can share files and access the internet.
The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into
ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the
ethernet from internet to trusted zone.
The xp can't share the internet.

If I follow the instructions
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it
installs
Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel
creates
a floppy disk and requires me to restart.

The win98 can then no longer access the internet.

Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it?
I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing
the
connection.

John

The free version of ZoneAlarm is incompatible with Internet Connection
Sharing on the host computer. To use XP as the host, you'll have to
uninstall ZoneAlarm on XP. XP's built-in Windows Firewall gives the
protection you need.

Yes, you can have the modem in the Win98 computer. Win98 doesn't have
a built-in Internet sharing capability -- that requires ICS or a
similar third-party program.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)


Steve - thanks for the help and the website

John