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WIn98se ICS odd timing/connect loss issues cropping up, still there after reinstall... advice ?
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WIn98se ICS odd timing/connect loss issues cropping up, still there after reinstall... advice ?
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No. This procedure doesn't use ICS. Editing the registry as described enables routing without enabling ICS. Your router will be doing the address translation (sharing) far more efficiently than ICS. Of course, I'd forgotten about that, just because my box doesnt have multiple UTP ports I'd forgotten it can translate the addresses, ie. Being such a little box I'd forgotten it can do rather more... So it just means the host pc will pass the relevant packets by editing/enabling the registry key - I didnt know that Win98se was capable of that level of packet switching and had always assumed the ICSMGR (ie as an ICS install) was needed for that function, I'm glad its not so it might run a bit quicker overall as well Strangely, when I first asked Dlink about the modem their tech dept suggested I keep using ICS, hence for 2+ years thats all I thought was required, I could have saved a heap of time if dlink had explained it the way you have... sigh System Key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\VxD\MSTCP] Value Name: EnableRouting Data Type: (string value) Value Data: (0 = disabled, 1 = enabled) Ok, I understand that the OS can pass the packets but I'm not sure how the OS knows to pass them to the RTL8029 card and not some host resident process ? No. Your router will probably have a web interface for its configuration. Look in the manual for setting up static routes via the web interface. If you don't have the manual there is a pdf on the d-link website. ok np, have used the modem web interface many times but it hadnt twigged I could over-ride/replace the windows ICS, as per Dlinks comment... I'll go through the details later tonight, Given I couldnt even ping 10.1.1.1 before (or rather after the ICS was re-enabled) then assuming the host changes and "adding a static route" as you advise above then I should be able to ping 10.1.1.1 thereafter, which suggests my registry got gurgled... Until you configure the router to forward replies via the "host" pc then it cannot reply because it does not know where to send the packets for the client pc. Thats the part I'm a little hazy on, the router gets a data packet either from any host resident process or from the client via the RTL8029 card but the host needs to know where to put the reply that comes from the modem (after it gets its reply from the net). This is where I thought the mass of code in ICS and the .dlls was required. I infer you are saying that with the routing enabled in windows os via an enabled registry key and the static route in the modem that windows will "follow suit" and pass the replies back to either the host process or the client via the rtl8029 card - its that last bit that I'm not clear on in respect of that capacity already built into the OS - not much confirmation of that since day one sadly. (sidenote: if you were using ICS this wouldn't be necessary because as far as the router is concerned everything is coming from the host pc) Ok, its slowly beginning to gel that the router maps its replies from the source requests it got from a host process or a client packet and that the capacity to route is already within the OS and hence that must mean that ICSMGR didnt really do that much in the first place except maybe 'some' NAT and buffering - hence why its generally slow from day one. You could do it using ics, but since the router is already doing the address translation you would be building in a needless bottleneck (doing the same translation operation twice). Yes, excellent point. I did have a try with an NB1300 some 4 years ago to do some of this - rather to get it to work but IP routing isnt my area of expertise (its electronic design) and although the NB1300 was supposed to have NAT - my system/it could well have suffered from a heap of combinatorial issues not allowing it to function, hence I used ICS with the nb1300 too long before I got the Dlink 502t... Check the ping times when it's done. If the boys do Internet gaming they will certainly notice a *BIG* difference. Excellent, should make my other browsing faster too, thanks for your help, will give it a go later tonight when my lab stuff is over, cheers -- Regards Mike * VK/VL Commodore FuseRails that wont warp or melt with fuse failure indication and now with auto 10-15 min timer for engine illumination option. * VN, VP, VR Models with relay holder in progress. * Twin Tyres to suit most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars http://niche.iinet.net.au |
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WIn98se ICS odd timing/connect loss issues cropping up, still there after reinstall... advice ?
In article , says...
Every packet will have a source and destination address so the host can easily determine which packets are for it and which are to be sent on using the rules in the routing table. Brilliant, of course, forgot about that, understood and cemented now The nat router will replace the destination address in return packets with the corresponding source addess it stripped on outgoing packets so the hostpc will simply look at the destination address of packets forwarded to it and either use them locally or forward them on again. Fantastic, got it .. .. .. Ok cough have done all the changes you outlined, checked them, saved the modem changes, rebooted, power cycled etc etc. And Voila *yes* I can get internet access on the client pc 'some' of the time along with the host subject to the timing oddities coming back ! (I actually uninstalled ICS and not just disabled it - was that an error ?) But the registry key was already set to enable btw and it still is... Client off, power up only the host and modem - it struggles to get internet connectivity unless I visit the modem's web interface and go to the Status display, here is a scenario I just tested:- Restart host and modem. None of the loaded tasks need internet access and the modem is set to "always on" Open a dos box and type ping -t 203.0.178.191 (and leave it running) I get "Request timed out" all the time for the 6-7 min I could wait Then visit the modem web page 10.1.1.1 and went to the status display Within about 30 to 60 secs I got ping replies of about 20ms on average and this continued until I closed the IE window and then within about 2 min I get ping timeouts again. Puzzled I checked that I have "Logon and restore network connections" (yes) went back to modem web interface and then to tools and their ping function and although the host got timeouts the modem's ping tool never did ! So assuming my modem is ok and I believe the ping tool in it, then what can I do to diagnose this ? I did repeat the modem web access through IE and after about a minute got the dos box to show ping replies, closed IE and this time the pings seem to keep going ok with times of 20 - 21ms and whilst composing this reply they have kept going. On earlier occasions I noticed the client pings of the isp dns match those of the host in terms of replies and timeouts... Is there a win98se compatible tool that might pin this down or do I have to start from scratch again ? oh btw: If I open uTorrent then within 20 sec I will get a block of 15 ping timeouts again and then back to connectivity but with ping replies of 180-600mS and some timeouts and these timeouts correlate with drop of u/l b/w in uTorrent to zero... Just sit and wait and *ah* ping replies again until uTorrent makes some connections then ping replies start to reach 600mS, u/l b/w drops gradually then more timeouts... Seems like what was happening before with ICS, does it point to modem firmware and what tool could definitively pin this down ? PS: The modem has an entry for Lan clients and only have the host as the one lan client as its the only other thing on that UTP connection, I didnt add the other pc as the modem wont accept its IP (outside 10.1.1.2 - 10.1.1.254) and the route to it is through the os etc... The route table entry in the modem seems fine though as the client does get reliable connections for each request - well within the bounds of this issue of loss and recovery of internet connectivity now im depressed. -- Regards Mike * VK/VL Commodore FuseRails that wont warp or melt with fuse failure indication and now with auto 10-15 min timer for engine illumination option. * VN, VP, VR Models with relay holder in progress. * Twin Tyres to suit most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars http://niche.iinet.net.au |
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WIn98se ICS odd timing/connect loss issues cropping up, still there after reinstall... advice ?
In article , says...
Every packet will have a source and destination address so the host can easily determine which packets are for it and which are to be sent on using the rules in the routing table. Brilliant, of course, forgot about that, understood and cemented now The nat router will replace the destination address in return packets with the corresponding source addess it stripped on outgoing packets so the hostpc will simply look at the destination address of packets forwarded to it and either use them locally or forward them on again. Fantastic, got it .. .. .. Ok cough have done all the changes you outlined, checked them, saved the modem changes, rebooted, power cycled etc etc. And Voila *yes* I can get internet access on the client pc 'some' of the time along with the host subject to the timing oddities coming back ! (I actually uninstalled ICS and not just disabled it - was that an error ?) But the registry key was already set to enable btw and it still is... Client off, power up only the host and modem - it struggles to get internet connectivity unless I visit the modem's web interface and go to the Status display, here is a scenario I just tested:- Restart host and modem. None of the loaded tasks need internet access and the modem is set to "always on" Open a dos box and type ping -t 203.0.178.191 (and leave it running) I get "Request timed out" all the time for the 6-7 min I could wait Then visit the modem web page 10.1.1.1 and went to the status display Within about 30 to 60 secs I got ping replies of about 20ms on average and this continued until I closed the IE window and then within about 2 min I get ping timeouts again. Puzzled I checked that I have "Logon and restore network connections" (yes) went back to modem web interface and then to tools and their ping function and although the host got timeouts the modem's ping tool never did ! So assuming my modem is ok and I believe the ping tool in it, then what can I do to diagnose this ? I did repeat the modem web access through IE and after about a minute got the dos box to show ping replies, closed IE and this time the pings seem to keep going ok with times of 20 - 21ms and whilst composing this reply they have kept going. On earlier occasions I noticed the client pings of the isp dns match those of the host in terms of replies and timeouts... Is there a win98se compatible tool that might pin this down or do I have to start from scratch again ? oh btw: If I open uTorrent then within 20 sec I will get a block of 15 ping timeouts again and then back to connectivity but with ping replies of 180-600mS and some timeouts and these timeouts correlate with drop of u/l b/w in uTorrent to zero... Just sit and wait and *ah* ping replies again until uTorrent makes some connections then ping replies start to reach 600mS, u/l b/w drops gradually then more timeouts... Seems like what was happening before with ICS, does it point to modem firmware and what tool could definitively pin this down ? PS: The modem has an entry for Lan clients and only have the host as the one lan client as its the only other thing on that UTP connection, I didnt add the other pc as the modem wont accept its IP (outside 10.1.1.2 - 10.1.1.254) and the route to it is through the os etc... The route table entry in the modem seems fine though as the client does get reliable connections for each request - well within the bounds of this issue of loss and recovery of internet connectivity now im depressed. -- Regards Mike * VK/VL Commodore FuseRails that wont warp or melt with fuse failure indication and now with auto 10-15 min timer for engine illumination option. * VN, VP, VR Models with relay holder in progress. * Twin Tyres to suit most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars http://niche.iinet.net.au |
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WIn98se ICS odd timing/connect loss issues cropping up, still there after reinstall... advice ?
"Mike" wrote in message ... In article , says... Every packet will have a source and destination address so the host can easily determine which packets are for it and which are to be sent on using the rules in the routing table. Brilliant, of course, forgot about that, understood and cemented now The nat router will replace the destination address in return packets with the corresponding source addess it stripped on outgoing packets so the hostpc will simply look at the destination address of packets forwarded to it and either use them locally or forward them on again. Fantastic, got it . . . Ok cough have done all the changes you outlined, checked them, saved the modem changes, rebooted, power cycled etc etc. And Voila *yes* I can get internet access on the client pc 'some' of the time along with the host subject to the timing oddities coming back ! (I actually uninstalled ICS and not just disabled it - was that an error ?) But the registry key was already set to enable btw and it still is... Client off, power up only the host and modem - it struggles to get internet connectivity unless I visit the modem's web interface and go to the Status display, here is a scenario I just tested:- Restart host and modem. None of the loaded tasks need internet access and the modem is set to "always on" Open a dos box and type ping -t 203.0.178.191 (and leave it running) I get "Request timed out" all the time for the 6-7 min I could wait Then visit the modem web page 10.1.1.1 and went to the status display Within about 30 to 60 secs I got ping replies of about 20ms on average and this continued until I closed the IE window and then within about 2 min I get ping timeouts again. Puzzled I checked that I have "Logon and restore network connections" (yes) went back to modem web interface and then to tools and their ping function and although the host got timeouts the modem's ping tool never did ! So assuming my modem is ok and I believe the ping tool in it, then what can I do to diagnose this ? I did repeat the modem web access through IE and after about a minute got the dos box to show ping replies, closed IE and this time the pings seem to keep going ok with times of 20 - 21ms and whilst composing this reply they have kept going. On earlier occasions I noticed the client pings of the isp dns match those of the host in terms of replies and timeouts... Is there a win98se compatible tool that might pin this down or do I have to start from scratch again ? oh btw: If I open uTorrent then within 20 sec I will get a block of 15 ping timeouts again and then back to connectivity but with ping replies of 180-600mS and some timeouts and these timeouts correlate with drop of u/l b/w in uTorrent to zero... Just sit and wait and *ah* ping replies again until uTorrent makes some connections then ping replies start to reach 600mS, u/l b/w drops gradually then more timeouts... Seems like what was happening before with ICS, does it point to modem firmware and what tool could definitively pin this down ? PS: The modem has an entry for Lan clients and only have the host as the one lan client as its the only other thing on that UTP connection, I didnt add the other pc as the modem wont accept its IP (outside 10.1.1.2 - 10.1.1.254) and the route to it is through the os etc... The route table entry in the modem seems fine though as the client does get reliable connections for each request - well within the bounds of this issue of loss and recovery of internet connectivity now im depressed. -- Regards Mike * VK/VL Commodore FuseRails that wont warp or melt with fuse failure indication and now with auto 10-15 min timer for engine illumination option. * VN, VP, VR Models with relay holder in progress. * Twin Tyres to suit most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars http://niche.iinet.net.au do happen to have MAC addressing enabled on the router ? (mine re-enables after a reset ) |
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WIn98se ICS odd timing/connect loss issues cropping up, still there after reinstall... advice ?
"Mike" wrote in message ... In article , says... Every packet will have a source and destination address so the host can easily determine which packets are for it and which are to be sent on using the rules in the routing table. Brilliant, of course, forgot about that, understood and cemented now The nat router will replace the destination address in return packets with the corresponding source addess it stripped on outgoing packets so the hostpc will simply look at the destination address of packets forwarded to it and either use them locally or forward them on again. Fantastic, got it . . . Ok cough have done all the changes you outlined, checked them, saved the modem changes, rebooted, power cycled etc etc. And Voila *yes* I can get internet access on the client pc 'some' of the time along with the host subject to the timing oddities coming back ! (I actually uninstalled ICS and not just disabled it - was that an error ?) But the registry key was already set to enable btw and it still is... Client off, power up only the host and modem - it struggles to get internet connectivity unless I visit the modem's web interface and go to the Status display, here is a scenario I just tested:- Restart host and modem. None of the loaded tasks need internet access and the modem is set to "always on" Open a dos box and type ping -t 203.0.178.191 (and leave it running) I get "Request timed out" all the time for the 6-7 min I could wait Then visit the modem web page 10.1.1.1 and went to the status display Within about 30 to 60 secs I got ping replies of about 20ms on average and this continued until I closed the IE window and then within about 2 min I get ping timeouts again. Puzzled I checked that I have "Logon and restore network connections" (yes) went back to modem web interface and then to tools and their ping function and although the host got timeouts the modem's ping tool never did ! So assuming my modem is ok and I believe the ping tool in it, then what can I do to diagnose this ? I did repeat the modem web access through IE and after about a minute got the dos box to show ping replies, closed IE and this time the pings seem to keep going ok with times of 20 - 21ms and whilst composing this reply they have kept going. On earlier occasions I noticed the client pings of the isp dns match those of the host in terms of replies and timeouts... Is there a win98se compatible tool that might pin this down or do I have to start from scratch again ? oh btw: If I open uTorrent then within 20 sec I will get a block of 15 ping timeouts again and then back to connectivity but with ping replies of 180-600mS and some timeouts and these timeouts correlate with drop of u/l b/w in uTorrent to zero... Just sit and wait and *ah* ping replies again until uTorrent makes some connections then ping replies start to reach 600mS, u/l b/w drops gradually then more timeouts... Seems like what was happening before with ICS, does it point to modem firmware and what tool could definitively pin this down ? PS: The modem has an entry for Lan clients and only have the host as the one lan client as its the only other thing on that UTP connection, I didnt add the other pc as the modem wont accept its IP (outside 10.1.1.2 - 10.1.1.254) and the route to it is through the os etc... The route table entry in the modem seems fine though as the client does get reliable connections for each request - well within the bounds of this issue of loss and recovery of internet connectivity now im depressed. -- Regards Mike * VK/VL Commodore FuseRails that wont warp or melt with fuse failure indication and now with auto 10-15 min timer for engine illumination option. * VN, VP, VR Models with relay holder in progress. * Twin Tyres to suit most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars http://niche.iinet.net.au do happen to have MAC addressing enabled on the router ? (mine re-enables after a reset ) |
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