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"Mike M" wrote in message
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You just don't get it do you! Your seeming ignorance says volumes for the
American education system..
--
Mike Maltby


No, I don't get it. I'm asking you to explain it.
Why does the BBC refer to the UK if they mean England?
How long has this UK been around?
I was in school roughly 15 years ago. Back then the USSR was still around.

I meant no offense referring to your little country. I guess the British
are easily offended.
There are many little towns in our country which surely consider themselves
every bit as significant as the big towns.

I hope our education system is better than it used to be. That "No Child
Left Behind" stuff is supposed to help make sure kids today are actually
learning what they're supposed to be. I remember in my high school
geography class they handed out blank maps of the world and half the kids
couldn't even properly label the USA much less the UK.

It isn't any different really than the educational system here or in
Jamaica, for instance. The day education 'ended' was the day they took
away the right to physically discipline a student!!! End of story!!

In Jamaica (as in parts of the US, I understand) they don't teach
English as we know it......they teach 'ebonics' in order to be
politically correct. Hogwash!! So what happens to these students who
can only spell "yo wassup" (maybe) when they hit the working world where
proper English is spoken??

Ron's Aunt in Jamaica was a school teacher and absolutely horrified when
this started a long time ago. I am p*ssed at these mouthy kids who know
an adult cannot belt them upside the head and get away literally with
murder.

NO....education is on a downhill slide and I can't see any way of
stopping the slide. It was way better in the good ole days when we got
smacked for misbehaving. And we knew we would get worse when we got
home if the teacher called our parents. Kept us in line, I will tell
you!!

Old School.
"Heirloom" wrote in message
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Actually, Mike, we have a pretty good educational system. I admit
that there are areas that need attention ( I feel ), however, any
student is capable of getting as much out of it as they are willing to
put in. The real problem stems from many schools and classes being
'dumbed down' to accommodate those that are incapable or unwilling to
perform. Fortunately, all schools are not like that. The mere fact
that there are so many foriegn students (doing exceptionally well, I
might add) is a testament to the "system" still being, as a whole,
quite good.

Higher education remains quality, it is the early schooling that
severely needs revamped controls.
Heirloom, old and got out
before it started going down

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
You just don't get it do you! Your seeming ignorance says volumes
for the American education system..
--
Mike Maltby



Eric wrote:

California is a state. Saying England is the main country of the UK
is more like saying Russia was the main country of the USSR.
If American news says something where news happened, they normally
refer to the state unless it involves many states.
I often watch some of the BBC news in the morning and they say stuff
is happening in the UK when they usually mean England.
If there was a main state in the US, it wouldn't be California. If
anything it should be Texas since it's the largest state of the 48
connected states, and much more populated than Alaska, and it's
right
in the middle.
As for comparing land area, that is just one measure and pretty
meaningless. More meaningful would be to compare population, GNP
and the like. Whilst the UK is 1/40th of the area of the US its
population is roughly 1/5 that of the US due to the population
density being so much higher and the UK not having large barren
areas such as Alaska. --
Mike Maltby


Stuffing more people or a bigger engine in a tiny car doesn't make
it
any bigger than the monster truck. It may be relatively 'big' to
the
global economy, but it's still a little country.

Excellent! And a KLR650? Without looking it up, that sounds like an update
of the Kwacker I hired on Crete a decade ago (lotta fun!)?

I'd like to see that workshop. If I ever get over there...


Shane

Heirloom wrote:
Actually, Shane, I now have four bikes. Expecting the delivery of a
brand new engine tomorrow for one I am rebuilding. It was becoming
cost prohibitive for the parts I needed for the old engine, so, I
will be putting a 2006 engine in an old '85 bike. This one is for my
wife to learn on......she has a 2006 model of the same bike waiting
for her to learn to ride. (both are CMX250 Honda Rebels). I added a
KLR650 dual sport to my rides.....still have the VTX1800R. I have
converted my woodworking shop into a bike shop.....the centerpiece
being my new lift, 1500 lb. capacity, pneumatic/hydraulic with front
and side extensions, drop tail, mtce. center jack, front wheel clamp
and removeable plate for the rear wheel removal. Nice.....
Heirloom, old and wrench
my own
"Shane" wrote in message
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I can picture you all puckered up!

Well, insofar as I *can* picture you, H. I can picture your bike!


Shane


Heirloom wrote:
dang furners.........
Heirloom, old and half limey

"Heather" wrote in message
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"Eric" wrote in message
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"Joan Archer" wrote in message
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lol Wrong again Eric, I'm in the UK, it's Heather who is in
Canada.
Same point. I don't know if either WalMart or Radio Shack are in
either Canada or the UK, but either way you're much more likely
to live near one in the US.

Sigh......and you actually get ticked off if we Canadians tell
Americans they know dick all about Canada??

I have both a WalMart (ptui) and a few Radio Shacks (now called
"the Source") within a 10 minute drive from my home in the outer
boonies of Toronto. Also have a lot of Best Buys too. American Eagle,
Old
Navy, the list is endless.

We can and do speak English, very few of us are bilingual.....we
are not at war with Quebec......and we don't wear snowshoes in
July. Just to cover a few misconceptions I have run across.

All of the above is *tongue in cheek*, so don't go all ballistic on
me (as usual). Must remember to put some sort of smilies on my
posts. Heather 8-))

Inline:

Heather wrote:



Sigh......and you actually get ticked off if we Canadians tell Americans
they know dick all about Canada??

Candians play hockey, eat donuts / back bacon, drink beer, and say 'aboot'

I have both a WalMart (ptui) and a few Radio Shacks (now called "the
Source") within a 10 minute drive from my home in the outer boonies of
Toronto. Also have a lot of Best Buys too. American Eagle, Old Navy,
the list is endless.

You stole the 'American Eagle'. Watch it, Bushie won't like that.

We can and do speak English, very few of us are bilingual.....we are not
at war with Quebec......and we don't wear snowshoes in July. Just to
cover a few misconceptions I have run across.

Quebec is at war with Canada, right ? And, France does not consider the
language spoken in Quebec to be French. Then again, no one cares what
France thinks, do they ?

All of the above is *tongue in cheek*, so don't go all ballistic on me
(as usual). Must remember to put some sort of smilies on my posts.

Heather 8-))


All the above was written with no alcoholic influence whatever,
therefor, it means nothing in Canada. hic

MG
:O)

How long has this UK been around?

Roughly 300 years since the Act of Union in 1707 uniting the Kingdoms of
England and Scotland although the union was first proposed some 80 or so
years earlier.
(http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK...ctofUnion.htm).
--
Mike Maltby



Eric wrote:

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
You just don't get it do you! Your seeming ignorance says volumes
for the American education system..
--
Mike Maltby


No, I don't get it. I'm asking you to explain it.
Why does the BBC refer to the UK if they mean England?
How long has this UK been around?
I was in school roughly 15 years ago. Back then the USSR was still
around.
I meant no offense referring to your little country. I guess the
British are easily offended.
There are many little towns in our country which surely consider
themselves every bit as significant as the big towns.

I hope our education system is better than it used to be. That "No
Child Left Behind" stuff is supposed to help make sure kids today are
actually learning what they're supposed to be. I remember in my high
school geography class they handed out blank maps of the world and
half the kids couldn't even properly label the USA much less the UK.

Now that's funny, Figgs. I don't mean 'funny ha-ha'. Because while I admit
there's a difficulty, I say that hitting kids teaches them that violence is
a solution. That its alright to lose one's temper and give up trying to
reason. I say this because that's what I believe it taught me. Not that I've
hit anyone other than in self-defence (or playing Rugger) since I was about
13 or 14, but it has been hard not to and I've been aware at the time -
because I look for that sort of thing - of learnt behaviour coming to the
surface. And I wasn't abused as a child in any way whatsoever, just hit when
I was 'naughty'.

otoh violence *is* a solution. Just not in the home. And it shouldn't be in
the international arena. But on the street, yes absolutely. Though you have
to be the real thing, since bravado only works with poseurs. You know, like
the way there's only a thin line seperating the cops from the robbers, which
is hopefully the existence of honour - but there is almost never a cop when
you need one, its physically impossible. So either you stay at home the rest
of your life - or you protect yourself.

Shane




Heather wrote:
It isn't any different really than the educational system here or in
Jamaica, for instance. The day education 'ended' was the day they
took away the right to physically discipline a student!!! End of
story!!
In Jamaica (as in parts of the US, I understand) they don't teach
English as we know it......they teach 'ebonics' in order to be
politically correct. Hogwash!! So what happens to these students who
can only spell "yo wassup" (maybe) when they hit the working world
where proper English is spoken??

Ron's Aunt in Jamaica was a school teacher and absolutely horrified
when this started a long time ago. I am p*ssed at these mouthy kids
who know an adult cannot belt them upside the head and get away
literally with murder.

NO....education is on a downhill slide and I can't see any way of
stopping the slide. It was way better in the good ole days when we
got smacked for misbehaving. And we knew we would get worse when we
got home if the teacher called our parents. Kept us in line, I will
tell you!!

Old School.
"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Actually, Mike, we have a pretty good educational system. I admit
that there are areas that need attention ( I feel ), however, any
student is capable of getting as much out of it as they are willing
to put in. The real problem stems from many schools and classes
being 'dumbed down' to accommodate those that are incapable or
unwilling to perform. Fortunately, all schools are not like that. The
mere fact that there are so many foriegn students (doing
exceptionally well, I might add) is a testament to the "system"
still being, as a whole, quite good.

Higher education remains quality, it is the early schooling that
severely needs revamped controls.
Heirloom, old and got out
before it started going down

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
You just don't get it do you! Your seeming ignorance says volumes
for the American education system..
--
Mike Maltby



Eric wrote:

California is a state. Saying England is the main country of the
UK is more like saying Russia was the main country of the USSR.
If American news says something where news happened, they normally
refer to the state unless it involves many states.
I often watch some of the BBC news in the morning and they say
stuff is happening in the UK when they usually mean England.
If there was a main state in the US, it wouldn't be California. If
anything it should be Texas since it's the largest state of the 48
connected states, and much more populated than Alaska, and it's
right
in the middle.
As for comparing land area, that is just one measure and pretty
meaningless. More meaningful would be to compare population, GNP
and the like. Whilst the UK is 1/40th of the area of the US its
population is roughly 1/5 that of the US due to the population
density being so much higher and the UK not having large barren
areas such as Alaska. --
Mike Maltby


Stuffing more people or a bigger engine in a tiny car doesn't make
it
any bigger than the monster truck. It may be relatively 'big' to
the
global economy, but it's still a little country.

"Heather" wrote in message
...
It isn't any different really than the educational system here or in
Jamaica, for instance. The day education 'ended' was the day they took
away the right to physically discipline a student!!! End of story!!

Physical discipline worked well for most back in the day.
When I was in elementary school they would make you put your head down on
the desk or stand against a wall for a first offense. On repeated offenses,
the principal got out the paddle and tanned your backside. This worked for
most, though there were still kids who would test it a bit further. No one
ever died from the discipline.

In Jamaica (as in parts of the US, I understand) they don't teach English
as we know it......they teach 'ebonics' in order to be politically
correct. Hogwash!! So what happens to these students who can only spell
"yo wassup" (maybe) when they hit the working world where proper English
is spoken??

Jamaicans don't go in the "working world where proper English is spoken".
They mostly work with tourists who expect slang speech.

Ron's Aunt in Jamaica was a school teacher and absolutely horrified when
this started a long time ago. I am p*ssed at these mouthy kids who know
an adult cannot belt them upside the head and get away literally with
murder.

Kids in general get worse every year. Partly it's because they're spoiled.
They have more toys than we did. Partly because "acting up" has been
declared an official disorder that we try to medicate. We tell them it's
simply not their fault they misbehave.

NO....education is on a downhill slide and I can't see any way of stopping
the slide. It was way better in the good ole days when we got smacked for
misbehaving. And we knew we would get worse when we got home if the
teacher called our parents. Kept us in line, I will tell you!!

Most parents stopped caring. They expect the teachers to control their kids
without having the methods they had when we were kids.

As was pointed out in a recent episode of the TV show Boston Legal, there is
a great need for teachers because who wants to be a teacher when teachers
are expected to make sure kids actually learn, and teachers now have to be
parents but aren't allowed to physically discipline, and teachers have to
see to the students with special medical needs or slow learning ability who
get mixed in with the other kids?

I agree with most of what you say (ack!!)......see inline, grin.

"Eric" wrote in message
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"Heather" wrote in message
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It isn't any different really than the educational system here or in
Jamaica, for instance. The day education 'ended' was the day they
took away the right to physically discipline a student!!! End of
story!!

No one ever died from the discipline.

That was my point.....we all survived and believe me, the UK and West
Indian boarding schools were tougher on the students that the US or
Canada was.

So what happens to these students who can only spell "yo wassup"
(maybe) when they hit the working world where proper English is
spoken??

Jamaicans don't go in the "working world where proper English is
spoken".
They mostly work with tourists who expect slang speech.

Just a tad racist there or perhaps you have never known many Jamaicans.
I can assure you that my inlaws were teachers, doctors and lawyers,
among other *lofty* professions. They did NOT work with tourists. Some
stayed on the Island, others went abroad.

Most parents stopped caring. They expect the teachers to control
their kids without having the methods they had when we were kids.

Yes to both statements. My two sisters are teachers and I don't know
how in hell they put up with the job.

Btw....something you said a few posts ago that I meant to comment on.
You say you have never been outside your borders......why not?? If more
Americans travelled to other countries, I think you would have a way
better understanding of us and Brits and so on. And I don't mean a
holiday in the West Indies either.

Heather

It's a good thing I know you are joking or I would verbally strip the
hide off you......LOL!!

Bad Mow!! And I hate beer and back bacon, btw. And hockey too.

Tim Horton donuts are a different story. We make the best donuts in the
WORLD!! They even opened a Tim Horton's at the Canadian HQ in
Afghanistan to give them the soldiers a taste of home.

XX Figgs

"MowGreen [MVP]" wrote in message
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Inline:

Candians play hockey, eat donuts / back bacon, drink beer, and say
'aboot'

You stole the 'American Eagle'. Watch it, Bushie won't like that.

Quebec is at war with Canada, right ? And, France does not consider
the language spoken in Quebec to be French. Then again, no one cares
what France thinks, do they ?

All the above was written with no alcoholic influence whatever,
therefor, it means nothing in Canada. hic

MG
:O)

"Heather" wrote in message
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So what happens to these students who can only spell "yo wassup" (maybe)
when they hit the working world where proper English is spoken??

Jamaicans don't go in the "working world where proper English is spoken".
They mostly work with tourists who expect slang speech.

Just a tad racist there or perhaps you have never known many Jamaicans. I
can assure you that my inlaws were teachers, doctors and lawyers, among
other *lofty* professions. They did NOT work with tourists. Some stayed
on the Island, others went abroad.

Not racist, actually was meant to be a joke about your comment. The
stereotype is that Jamaicans speak slang (ebonics) as in the movie Cool
Runnings.
You have Jamaican inlaws? Do they fit that stereotype? Do they wear bright
multicolored clothing and dreadlocks?

Most parents stopped caring. They expect the teachers to control their
kids without having the methods they had when we were kids.

Yes to both statements. My two sisters are teachers and I don't know how
in hell they put up with the job.

Btw....something you said a few posts ago that I meant to comment on. You
say you have never been outside your borders......why not?? If more
Americans travelled to other countries, I think you would have a way
better understanding of us and Brits and so on. And I don't mean a
holiday in the West Indies either.

Heather
That is part of the point too. Americans don't travel outside our borders
nearly as much because our country is bigger than most. We have everything
we need here. I am pretty far from any border, so travelling across one
gets expensive. I can't afford a vacation outside of the country, and
haven't needed to go there for business.