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  #11  
Old November 23rd 14, 04:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy[_3_]
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Try this:

http://www.howtogeek.com/136987/how-...dos-usb-drive/

You can copy the entire Win-98 CD to the same USB thumb drive that you
boot from.

But I still don't know how a USB drive is accessed from DOS - without
drivers.

Or check these out:

http://www.torrentv.org/windows-98-s...o-r326469.html

I'm assuming you have a CD burner in your computer...
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Old November 23rd 14, 02:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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In message , 98 Guy writes:
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I'm thinking it's a laptop, because it's trivial to install a regular
floppy drive into a desktop.


Do modern mobos still have the 37 x 2 header then?
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Old November 23rd 14, 08:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill Cunningham
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"98 Guy" "98"@Guy . com wrote in message
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Try this:

http://www.howtogeek.com/136987/how-...dos-usb-drive/

You can copy the entire Win-98 CD to the same USB thumb drive that you
boot from.

But I still don't know how a USB drive is accessed from DOS - without
drivers.

Or check these out:

http://www.torrentv.org/windows-98-s...o-r326469.html

I'm assuming you have a CD burner in your computer...


Absolutely! I have a full CD/DVD RW. When there were few DVD-RWs. Mainly
there were DVD-Rs.

Bill


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Old November 24th 14, 01:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy[_3_]
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

I'm thinking it's a laptop, because it's trivial to install
a regularfloppy drive into a desktop.


Do modern mobos still have the 37 x 2 header then?


Cunningham said his computer was 10 years old. So yea, all motherboards
of that vintage had floppy drive connectors.

If we're talking desktop motherboards with Intel CPU's, I would guess
that all socket 478 and 775 boards would have floppy controllers. That
would take us to about the end of 2006 at least.
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Old November 24th 14, 04:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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On Sunday, November 23, 2014 2:00:06 PM UTC-8, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , 98 Guy writes:
[]
I'm thinking it's a laptop, because it's trivial to install a regular
floppy drive into a desktop.


Do modern mobos still have the 37 x 2 header then?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that
may never be questioned.


Even my 2001 Dell Dimension 2400 has only a 1 x floppy cable and controller for it, the BIOS can NOT be set up for two floppies. And I don't recall that a 5 1/4 drive as an option in the BIOS either, you could only do a single 1.4 meg 3.5 inch drive or NONE. So they were phasing out the floppy even then.

98guy has it covered with Rufus/freedos bootable USB with Win98 folder copied to the same drive, it shows up as a folder on the root of the emulated C: drive which is the booted USB freedos command com drive. First thing it shows is a partition list of viewable drives, and that list will start with C:. BUT you only get access to it if you do dir D:, etc. so expect a bump up by one of all the hard drives because of the emulated C: drive sitting in that slot. You'll also want freedos fdisk and format files on that USB drive if you need to do that kind of work once booted up, MS-DOS flavors of same don't work out so good running under freedos. Search and ye shall find.

Maybe 98guy never understood the el-torito method of emulated floppy drives when using CDROM from the old days, and now with USB doing a similar thing it's no wonder why he can't get his head around booting a USB drive without drivers. In both cases the BIOS code is emulating a drive, el-toritio CDs had to be set up with two special files, one of which was an exact floppy disk image file and the other a catalog to that image so it would be loaded correctly. What you got was a drive A: that behaved exactly as if it were a booted floppy except that if you did have a real floppy drive it no longer could respond to A:\ commands or even B:\ if you had one of those and I did. Other files on the CD showed up as the files on the CD drive letter if the bootable image files had loaded CDROM driver files correctly. A real head trip to see this actually working like this BTW, possibly a requirement for believing in bootable USB drives without drivers preloaded.

With USB you just have different choices of what to boot, you can't boot el-toritio CD images with a cheap easy to find program such as Rufus. You can do freedos with Rufus, you can do linux flavors with several USB writers and you can do Windows PE which is an NTFS system designed primarily to allow Windows OS installation files to be delivered to a computer. Mostly Win7 and 8 flavors there but ALWAYS NTFS only. Some USB boot writers only allow the manufacturers iso files to be loaded into them as well and no where is an easy to find guide to any of this with every thread stating that 'I use such and such and it works great for that' when it doesn't, it can't, and it's not even possible, the poster obviously doesn't have a clue to even what he did do.

What I did since I was going to use a 500 gig hard drive to dual boot 98/XP with was make a standard windows98 Boot Disk floppy with 48 bit LBA patched io.sys on it so it could access the entire drive and do it correctly with my old standby 98 machine (chaintec 97 vintage $125 new). It had EZ CD on it which I used to make an el-torito boot CD with and just used that. This gave me two CD rom drives to choose from, access to two hard drives if so desired, the emulated A: floppy and the 98 ramdisk drive as well. Even with a one gig swap file and system.ini set for max ram, I had troubles booting up with a one gig stick so opted for loew's patch which allows for 2 gigs of ram max on this old Dell and no funny business required with system.ini or the swap file. Before the patch all appeared to be good, but I eventually and always had troubles setting up motherboard drivers or some favorite program I wanted on there, got random kernel loading errors at times stating that I need to re-install windows and at the next boot everything was just fine again. It's the memory acting up - 512 is the limit believe that much and I didn't have a 512 stick and still wanted the full 2 gigs allowed for XP to work with.

So Bill's next question will probably be along the lines of if I have freedos at C: then how do I run setup from the hard drive? My bet is that with the emulated C: drive in place, you would copy the win98 folder to D: and then change prompts to D: and change directories to run setup from the cabs folder there. And the magic of the emulator will knock the letter down for you automatically such that setup then thinks it's running from C: even though the prompt says D: plainly - setup never knows about the emulated drive being there. Will just have to try it and see what happens, but that's my best guess until I go there myself and find out for sure. If you actually need to boot drive D: and get it bootable from freedos we can do that but not with MS-DOS software. I used aefdisk to partition and quick format with, but it will only format FAT 32 partitions and it will allow you to set the active partition flag to any partition or drive possible unlike MS-DOS software.
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Old November 24th 14, 02:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Lee wrote:

Do modern mobos still have the 37 x 2 header then?


Even my 2001 Dell Dimension 2400 has only a 1 x floppy cable


Having 1 floppy cable is and always was standard for any 486 or higher
motherboard. The cable had 2 connectors - one for 3.5" and the other
for 5.25" drives, which were spaced so that you could connect one under
the other.

and controller for it, the BIOS can NOT be set up for two floppies.
And I don't recall that a 5 1/4 drive as an option in the BIOS
either, you could only do a single 1.4 meg 3.5 inch drive or NONE.
So they were phasing out the floppy even then.


Your limited experience with stripped-down, mass-market / name-brand
PC's made by Dell (and a few others) are by no means typical of what the
OEM market was providing. It is extremely common for motherboards made
at least up until 2006 to have BIOS's that are aware of several
different types of floppy drives, including 5.25" drives.

Maybe 98guy never understood the el-torito method of emulated
floppy drives when using CDROM from the old days,


I've never heard of el-Dorito before, nor have I ever had any reason to.

and now with USB doing a similar thing it's no wonder why he
can't get his head around booting a USB drive without drivers.


If I had any reason to dig into the issue, then I'd know all about it.
But because I've never had a reason to boot from a USB thumb drive, and
because I don't own any USB-connected hard drives, I just ignore it.

Far too much bull**** to deal with when you're hamstrung with forced to
boot from USB or CD to do one thing or another. If I have a hard drive
that I want to format or make bootable or pre-install win-98 or dos on,
I just simply slave that drive to one of my win-98 systems where I have
full DOS and Windows access to it.
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Old November 24th 14, 08:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill Cunningham
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"98 Guy" "98"@Guy . com wrote in message
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Lee wrote:

Do modern mobos still have the 37 x 2 header then?


Even my 2001 Dell Dimension 2400 has only a 1 x floppy cable


Having 1 floppy cable is and always was standard for any 486 or higher
motherboard. The cable had 2 connectors - one for 3.5" and the other
for 5.25" drives, which were spaced so that you could connect one under
the other.

and controller for it, the BIOS can NOT be set up for two floppies.
And I don't recall that a 5 1/4 drive as an option in the BIOS
either, you could only do a single 1.4 meg 3.5 inch drive or NONE.
So they were phasing out the floppy even then.


Your limited experience with stripped-down, mass-market / name-brand
PC's made by Dell (and a few others) are by no means typical of what the
OEM market was providing. It is extremely common for motherboards made
at least up until 2006 to have BIOS's that are aware of several
different types of floppy drives, including 5.25" drives.

Maybe 98guy never understood the el-torito method of emulated
floppy drives when using CDROM from the old days,


I've never heard of el-Dorito before, nor have I ever had any reason to.

and now with USB doing a similar thing it's no wonder why he
can't get his head around booting a USB drive without drivers.


If I had any reason to dig into the issue, then I'd know all about it.
But because I've never had a reason to boot from a USB thumb drive, and
because I don't own any USB-connected hard drives, I just ignore it.

Far too much bull**** to deal with when you're hamstrung with forced to
boot from USB or CD to do one thing or another. If I have a hard drive
that I want to format or make bootable or pre-install win-98 or dos on,
I just simply slave that drive to one of my win-98 systems where I have
full DOS and Windows access to it.


I don't know about el-Dorito but I know of el-torito for isos. It's an
iso 9660 fprmat extension or something. I don't know exactly. But I did put
in a 250 MB sandisk into the usb port USB 1 that is and Xp recognized it
right off. I got I: drive. I used rufus and copied ms-dos rather than
freedos and BIOS recognized it as sandisk and the response was verifying
DMI...
I waited and waited. No boot. I have bootsect.dos from XP or I probably
could from my old 98se disk get an mbr from somewhere. Maybe use a VM. But I
do have a USB 3.5" drive.

Bill


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Old November 24th 14, 08:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill Cunningham
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Oh yes an there is that bittorrent. I could use that

Bill


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Old November 24th 14, 09:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"Lee" wrote in message
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[...]

So Bill's next question will probably be along the lines of if I have
freedos at C: then how do I run setup from the hard drive? My bet is that
with the emulated C: drive in place, you would copy the win98 folder to D:
and then change prompts to D: and change directories to run setup from the
cabs folder there. And the magic of the emulator will knock the letter down
for you automatically such that setup then thinks it's running from C: even
though the prompt says D: plainly - setup never knows about the emulated
drive being there. Will just have to try it and see what happens, but
that's my best guess until I go there myself and find out for sure. If you
actually need to boot drive D: and get it bootable from freedos we can do
that but not with MS-DOS software. I used aefdisk to partition and quick
format with, but it will only format FAT 32 partitions and it will allow you
to set the active partition flag to any partition or drive possible unlike
MS-DOS software.

There's alot to digest in your post. My BIOSs is accessed with F2. It
does recognize the USB sandisk I have but will not boot. XP sets it up with
I: so would I need to copy the win98 directory to that? I do have linux too
and have access to dd. What can be done with it now? I guess BIOS is being
phased out and they're going to UFI and EUFI and using UUIDs.

So how do I set I: to C: ?

Bill


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Old November 24th 14, 10:15 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"Bill Cunningham" wrote in message
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I have a CD copy of 98se and it doesn't boot. Are there any cabinet
files that would contain mscdec.exe and some generic ms-dos driver? I'm
not quite sure how to boot this CD since it's not bootable. It's just a
copy. I know I will need io.sys and msdos.sys and autoexec.bat too atleast
maybe more files.

Bill



Upgrades CD of Windows 98 se
Are not DOS bootable

Yes cabinet files contain mscdec.exe
and some generic ms-dos driver

And

 




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