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  #11  
Old February 24th 07, 05:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
philo
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Default Installing Win 98 on new kit


"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
philo wrote:

I am currently trying to install Windows 98 onto a Core 2 Duo
based box.


Not likely to get win98 working on that machine.

Win98 can fail on some CPU's higher than 2.2ghz.


Well first of all, only the most recent (and most EXPENSIVE) core-2
duo's run at 2.2 ghz or more.

Second, the 2.2 ghz problem you speak of only applies to windows-95
and windows-98 FIRST EDITION.

Win98-second edition installs and runs fine on cpu's 2.2 ghz or
faster.

and it's very unlikely you'd be able to get chipset drivers etc for
a machine that new.


Depends on the chipset. If it's VIA, then he should have no problems
running win-98 on it.

I'm running win-98 on a motherboard with socket 775 (core, core-2
compatible) with a via chipset, Celeron-D 3.46 ghz.



Yes ...as a matter of fact I have win98se on a 2.6ghz celeron and it does
run fine...
I've seen a number of posts where people cannot get it running on a fast
CPU...
but as you mentioned...that's apparantly win98(FE) rather than SE...

at any rate , there is evidently some h/w that's preventing the OP's win98
install from working


  #12  
Old February 25th 07, 02:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Gary S. Terhune
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Default Installing Win 98 on new kit

I suspect it's the lack of drivers more than anything else. Especially if
you're using the JMicron RAID channels, which it looks like you must do on
that board, just like mine, in fact.. Have to set everything to IDE (in
BIOS) and pray. Or put one IDE drive and one CD drive on the IDE channel,
disable the rest. Heck, I have trouble installing Vista on mine, never mind
98. XP handles it just fine, though. I know, not much help, but if it's the
drivers... all bets are off.

Limiting RAM as suggested, which can be done in Safe Mode, might help help.
See:
"Memory Management in Win98 & ME"
http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.php

Try a PS/2 mouse if you haven't already. Might work in Safe Mode.

--
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MS MVP -- Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm.htm

"Hilarious" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 24 Feb, 10:23, "philo" wrote:
"Hilarious" wrote in message


Not likely to get win98 working on that machine.

[snip]
If the games don't run on win2k you could try running them on Wine (in
Linux)

Or as suggested elsewhere, install win98 in a virtual machine


Thanks to both of you. Quality advice is wonderful to receive!

It makes me a little sad to think that Win98 is a no-hoper on my flash
new kit (Foxconn P9657AA-8EKRS2H by the way, 1GB DDR2). I shall try
the wine route - I have failed many times along it - but not the
Virtual PC one as I am running (defunct?) W2000 not XP, etc.

I am also having troubles installing/running-live Linuxes on this new
kit as well. I thought these woes were related but can see many
other reasons why they probaly aren't.

Thanks again.



  #13  
Old February 25th 07, 02:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Default Installing Win 98 on new kit

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

I suspect it's the lack of drivers more than anything else.
Especially if you're using the JMicron RAID channels, which
it looks like you must do on that board


Why do you say that?

You can always choose to connect the hard drive to the standard IDE
adapter and not use the Jmicron raid.

If there is no win-98 driver for the ICH8 south bridge, then how far
are you going to get anyways?
  #14  
Old February 25th 07, 02:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Gary S. Terhune
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Default Installing Win 98 on new kit

Not very far, of course. Why do I say that? For the same reason you did. I
looked at the specs and made the only suggestions I could think of. Not that
I think it will make a whit of difference.

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MS MVP -- Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

I suspect it's the lack of drivers more than anything else.
Especially if you're using the JMicron RAID channels, which
it looks like you must do on that board


Why do you say that?

You can always choose to connect the hard drive to the standard IDE
adapter and not use the Jmicron raid.

If there is no win-98 driver for the ICH8 south bridge, then how far
are you going to get anyways?



  #15  
Old February 26th 07, 06:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
MalcolmO
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Default Adjustments for RAM (was: Installing Win 98 on new kit)

will require a vcache tweak for RAM over 512 megs...

I've heard this. I have 640MB of RAM. What do I need to do?
  #16  
Old February 26th 07, 12:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Ron Badour
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Default Adjustments for RAM (was: Installing Win 98 on new kit)

Unless you are getting *out of memory* messages, nothing is required. Here
is some info:

Over 512 mb or more of ram:

"Out of Memory" Errors with Large Amounts of RAM Installed [Q253912]
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;Q253912

This article contains instructions which basically say: add this line in
system.ini, under [vcache]: MaxFileCache=512000
***************************

1 gb or more of ram:

Error Message: Insufficient Memory to Initialize Windows [Q184447]
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;Q184447
***************************

1.5 gb or more of ram:

Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM [Q304943]
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;Q304943

--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
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http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"MalcolmO" wrote in message
...
will require a vcache tweak for RAM over 512 megs...


I've heard this. I have 640MB of RAM. What do I need to do?



  #17  
Old February 27th 07, 05:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Hilarious
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Default Installing Win 98 on new kit

On Feb 25, 1:17 am, "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
I suspect it's the lack of drivers more than anything else. Especially if
you're using the JMicron RAID channels,


Many thanks again.
I am not using the RAID aspect of the JMicron driver, just the SATA,
the which drive is happily (with some reservations about using that
work in this context!) booting W98 SE in normal mode- until it freezes
of course - and all the way in safe mode. So I don't think it is the
HDD that it is choking on during the install. As an aside - I think -
I notice that the safe mode intro message says that all driver
installs are off in safe mode and this seems to include my mouse, even
after jamming a serial mouse (I still have one!) in there is no mouse
function. Being an old hand, I am not fazed by such a lack...

See:
"Memory Management in Win98 & ME"http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.php


I tried inserting the three SYSTEM.INI entries offered but they didn't
help this current problem but I'm sure will once I get this sorted.

Try a PS/2 mouse if you haven't already. Might work in Safe Mode.


Done that. Even a serial mouse doesn't run at this stage of the
install...

Which brings me back to my original plea:
Can anybody who is intimate with the setup process of Win98 please
give me a silver bullet which will circumvent this blockage and get
Win98 running - even limping - on bootup?

Cheers

Hil, the ever-hopeful

  #18  
Old February 27th 07, 05:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Hilarious
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Default Installing Win 98 on new kit

On Feb 25, 1:17 am, "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
I suspect it's the lack of drivers more than anything else. Especially if
you're using the JMicron RAID channels,


Many thanks again.
I am not using the RAID aspect of the JMicron driver, just the SATA,
the which drive is happily (with some reservations about using that
work in this context!) booting W98 SE in normal mode- until it freezes
of course - and all the way in safe mode. So I don't think it is the
HDD that it is choking on during the install. As an aside - I think -
I notice that the safe mode intro message says that all driver
installs are off in safe mode and this seems to include my mouse, even
after jamming a serial mouse (I still have one!) in there is no mouse
function. Being an old hand, I am not fazed by such a lack...

See:
"Memory Management in Win98 & ME"http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.php


I tried inserting the three SYSTEM.INI entries offered but they didn't
help this current problem but I'm sure will once I get this sorted.

Try a PS/2 mouse if you haven't already. Might work in Safe Mode.


Done that. Even a serial mouse doesn't run at this stage of the
install...

Which brings me back to my original plea:
Can anybody who is intimate with the setup process of Win98 please
give me a silver bullet which will circumvent this blockage and get
Win98 running - even limping - on bootup?

Cheers

Hil, the ever-hopeful

  #19  
Old March 1st 07, 01:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Gary S. Terhune
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Default Installing Win 98 on new kit

Sorry, fresh out of ideas. I think it's all or Safe Mode. Sounds to me like
maybe hardware is the issue, not software.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Hilarious" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 25, 1:17 am, "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
I suspect it's the lack of drivers more than anything else. Especially if
you're using the JMicron RAID channels,


Many thanks again.
I am not using the RAID aspect of the JMicron driver, just the SATA,
the which drive is happily (with some reservations about using that
work in this context!) booting W98 SE in normal mode- until it freezes
of course - and all the way in safe mode. So I don't think it is the
HDD that it is choking on during the install. As an aside - I think -
I notice that the safe mode intro message says that all driver
installs are off in safe mode and this seems to include my mouse, even
after jamming a serial mouse (I still have one!) in there is no mouse
function. Being an old hand, I am not fazed by such a lack...

See:
"Memory Management in Win98 & ME"http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.php


I tried inserting the three SYSTEM.INI entries offered but they didn't
help this current problem but I'm sure will once I get this sorted.

Try a PS/2 mouse if you haven't already. Might work in Safe Mode.


Done that. Even a serial mouse doesn't run at this stage of the
install...

Which brings me back to my original plea:
Can anybody who is intimate with the setup process of Win98 please
give me a silver bullet which will circumvent this blockage and get
Win98 running - even limping - on bootup?

Cheers

Hil, the ever-hopeful



  #20  
Old March 2nd 07, 06:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
MalcolmO
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Default Adjustments for RAM

Unless you are getting *out of memory* messages, nothing is required.

Well, most every session included 3 to 4 times when Win falls over and I
press either the reset button or just turn it off.

I *think* it might be a bad video driver because immediately on boot to
run Troubleshooting for ATI Desktop, I get "There is not enough memory
available for this task. Quit one or more..."

Anyway, it seems like GDI resources are vanishing. I get the old Win 3.1
dialog that says "System resources are low! Quit Explorer?" messages.
But if you quit everything, it's no help. Especially Explorer.

It _does_ seem as though the OS falls over more often since I went from
128MB to 640MB. I tried clicking "Set memory to [512MB]" using msconfig
but got no improvement. In another ramification (so to speak), I was
unable to make a ramdisk with the unused memory. That didn't make any
sense to me and I didn't even try to figure out why. :/

I'll try making the vcache adjustment and see what ensues. Thanks, Ron.
 




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