filesystem

The system properties on the performance tab advanced settings has three
button choices at the bottom. The first choice is filesystem: desktop,
mobile docking, network server. How does this change the filesystem and
what
are the changes?

I remember something on a Aumha discussion about legacy filesystems by
Jim
Eshelman on this topic, but now I can not find it. Something about
network
server settings to optimize the HDD.


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"Jim" wrote in message
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The system properties on the performance tab advanced settings has
three
button choices at the bottom. The first choice is filesystem:
desktop,
mobile docking, network server. How does this change the filesystem
and
what
are the changes?

I remember something on a Aumha discussion about legacy filesystems
by Jim
Eshelman on this topic, but now I can not find it. Something about
network
server settings to optimize the HDD.





With Win98 you have a choice of either Fat16 or Fat32

that would be done initially when the drive is first partitioned and
formatted.

The only way the file sytem could be changed from within Windows would
be to
convert Fat16 to Fat32


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That I understand.
What I do not understand is what is the difference in system
properties. If
NT before 4.0 is based on HPFS and there is a necessary convert.exe to
other
NT and HPFS is based on OS/2 and IBM pc-dos, then is this some type of
HPFS?
"philo" wrote in message
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"Jim" wrote in message
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The system properties on the performance tab advanced settings has
three
button choices at the bottom. The first choice is filesystem:
desktop,
mobile docking, network server. How does this change the filesystem
and
what
are the changes?

I remember something on a Aumha discussion about legacy filesystems
by
Jim
Eshelman on this topic, but now I can not find it. Something about
network
server settings to optimize the HDD.





With Win98 you have a choice of either Fat16 or Fat32

that would be done initially when the drive is first partitioned and
formatted.

The only way the file sytem could be changed from within Windows
would be
to
convert Fat16 to Fat32




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"Jim" wrote in message
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That I understand.
What I do not understand is what is the difference in system
properties.
If
NT before 4.0 is based on HPFS and there is a necessary convert.exe
to
other
NT and HPFS is based on OS/2 and IBM pc-dos, then is this some type
of
HPFS?


OS/2 was the predicessor to NT

OS/2 could be installed on either a fat16 or HPFS partition

but NT4 and above cannot utilize HPFS
(though IIRC NT3.1 and NT3.5 can recongnize HPFS, they cannot be
installed
on a HPFS partition)

The preferable file system for NT would of course be NTFS though
depending
on which version of NT you go back to

they can also use either fat32 or Fat16


The one very interesting fact is that NT4 is the only OS I know of that
can
create and install to a
4 gig fat16 partition...a real oddity


Any file system conversion that can be perfromed from within windows
would be to convert fat 16 to fat32 that would be win9x (except for
win95A
which will work only with fat16)

NT also has the ability to convert fat to NTFS

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314097




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"Jim" wrote in message
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The system properties on the performance tab advanced settings
has
three
button choices at the bottom. The first choice is filesystem:
desktop,
mobile docking, network server. How does this change the
filesystem
and
what
are the changes?

I remember something on a Aumha discussion about legacy
filesystems by
Jim
Eshelman on this topic, but now I can not find it. Something
about
network
server settings to optimize the HDD.





With Win98 you have a choice of either Fat16 or Fat32

that would be done initially when the drive is first partitioned
and
formatted.

The only way the file sytem could be changed from within Windows
would
be
to
convert Fat16 to Fat32






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It doesn't change the file system at all. It changes the PathCache and
NameCache
settings in the Registry. This just affects the number of paths and
filenames that
are cached. Network server cached more than Desktop, and Desktop more
than Mobile.
Back when 8 or 16 MB of RAM was the norm, there was a common online tip
for Win95 at
that time to use the Network Server setting. Actually, the logic was
incorrect in
even that suggestion. Nowadays with the larger amounts if RAM
installed, you would
not see a difference at either the Desktop or Server setting.

I think it was Raymond Chen who stated once that the difference in the
amount of RAM
used at the different settings versus the performance change, would
pretty much
cancel each other out, and there would be no perceivable difference at
either
Desktop or Network Server.

Definition of the "Typical Role of This Machine" Setting
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q140679/

Leave it at Desktop.

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Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


"Jim" wrote in message
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The system properties on the performance tab advanced settings has
three
button choices at the bottom. The first choice is filesystem:
desktop,
mobile docking, network server. How does this change the filesystem
and what
are the changes?

I remember something on a Aumha discussion about legacy filesystems
by Jim
Eshelman on this topic, but now I can not find it. Something about
network
server settings to optimize the HDD.





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I'm sorry philo, the more I read the puncher I get. I might need to
start
fresh again tomorrow. I just do not know why MS does not tell anyone
much
about these system properties advanced settings. My experience was that
the
machine performed better on the Eshelman recommendation...but I hate
not
knowing exactly what is happening there! This is already a fat 32 and
to
change this advanced setting required only a reboot. This could be a
combination of kernel functions that enhance a soho of wfw with ics not
big
enough to need NT. Also as client for MS networks you can log on to an
NT
server with a domain and username/password.
"philo" wrote in message
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"Jim" wrote in message
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That I understand.
What I do not understand is what is the difference in system
properties.
If
NT before 4.0 is based on HPFS and there is a necessary convert.exe
to
other
NT and HPFS is based on OS/2 and IBM pc-dos, then is this some type
of
HPFS?


OS/2 was the predicessor to NT

OS/2 could be installed on either a fat16 or HPFS partition

but NT4 and above cannot utilize HPFS
(though IIRC NT3.1 and NT3.5 can recongnize HPFS, they cannot be
installed
on a HPFS partition)

The preferable file system for NT would of course be NTFS though
depending
on which version of NT you go back to

they can also use either fat32 or Fat16


The one very interesting fact is that NT4 is the only OS I know of
that
can
create and install to a
4 gig fat16 partition...a real oddity


Any file system conversion that can be perfromed from within windows
would be to convert fat 16 to fat32 that would be win9x (except for
win95A
which will work only with fat16)

NT also has the ability to convert fat to NTFS

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314097




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"Jim" wrote in message
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The system properties on the performance tab advanced settings
has
three
button choices at the bottom. The first choice is filesystem:
desktop,
mobile docking, network server. How does this change the
filesystem
and
what
are the changes?

I remember something on a Aumha discussion about legacy
filesystems
by
Jim
Eshelman on this topic, but now I can not find it. Something
about
network
server settings to optimize the HDD.





With Win98 you have a choice of either Fat16 or Fat32

that would be done initially when the drive is first partitioned
and
formatted.

The only way the file sytem could be changed from within Windows
would
be
to
convert Fat16 to Fat32








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Quoted from
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/140679
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You can set the Typical Role Of This Machine setting to the following
settings:
* Desktop Computer
* Mobile Or Docking System
* Network Server
The setting you use controls the size of various internal data
structures used by the 32-bit file access driver (VFAT) that are used
to optimize disk space.

When you use the Desktop Computer setting, VFAT allocates memory to
record the 32 most recently accessed folders and the 677 most recently
accessed files. This consumes approximately 10K of memory.

When you use the Mobile Or Docking System setting, VFAT allocates
memory to record the 16 most recently accessed folders and the 337
most recently accessed files. This consumes approximately 5K of
memory.

When you use the Network Server setting, VFAT allocates memory to
record the 64 most recently accessed folders and the 2729 most
recently accessed files. This consumes approximately 40K of memory.
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Thanks for clarifying that moot point.
I bumped up my RAM early on this machine to 256 Mbytes. It did seem
like
better performance though. I really will know now that I switched back
to
the desktop setting. It was lacking explanation in the Help so I have a
desire to experiment. I also have a desire for an OS that is straight
forward, simple and secure at the kernel layer
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"glee" wrote in message
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It doesn't change the file system at all. It changes the PathCache
and
NameCache
settings in the Registry. This just affects the number of paths and
filenames that
are cached. Network server cached more than Desktop, and Desktop
more
than Mobile.
Back when 8 or 16 MB of RAM was the norm, there was a common online
tip
for Win95 at
that time to use the Network Server setting. Actually, the logic was
incorrect in
even that suggestion. Nowadays with the larger amounts if RAM
installed,
you would
not see a difference at either the Desktop or Server setting.

I think it was Raymond Chen who stated once that the difference in
the
amount of RAM
used at the different settings versus the performance change, would
pretty
much
cancel each other out, and there would be no perceivable difference
at
either
Desktop or Network Server.

Definition of the "Typical Role of This Machine" Setting
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q140679/

Leave it at Desktop.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


"Jim" wrote in message
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The system properties on the performance tab advanced settings has
three
button choices at the bottom. The first choice is filesystem:
desktop,
mobile docking, network server. How does this change the filesystem
and
what
are the changes?

I remember something on a Aumha discussion about legacy filesystems
by
Jim
Eshelman on this topic, but now I can not find it. Something about
network
server settings to optimize the HDD.






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Thanks, this is liberating us of an old urban myth.

"Fan924" wrote in message
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Quoted from
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/140679
__________________________________________________ _

You can set the Typical Role Of This Machine setting to the following
settings:
* Desktop Computer
* Mobile Or Docking System
* Network Server
The setting you use controls the size of various internal data
structures used by the 32-bit file access driver (VFAT) that are used
to optimize disk space.

When you use the Desktop Computer setting, VFAT allocates memory to
record the 32 most recently accessed folders and the 677 most
recently
accessed files. This consumes approximately 10K of memory.

When you use the Mobile Or Docking System setting, VFAT allocates
memory to record the 16 most recently accessed folders and the 337
most recently accessed files. This consumes approximately 5K of
memory.

When you use the Network Server setting, VFAT allocates memory to
record the 64 most recently accessed folders and the 2729 most
recently accessed files. This consumes approximately 40K of memory.
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Win95 original/Win95A, FAT16 only.
Win95B and C, FAT16 and FAT32.

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"philo" wrote in message
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Any file system conversion that can be perfromed from within windows
would be to convert fat 16 to fat32 that would be win9x (except for
win95A
which will work only with fat16)


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