KernelEx? (with full info of what did not work)

Robert Baer wrote:
teebo wrote:
it is running on and it appears that your application uses
something that
you haven't patched. You need to trace the execution of the installer
for that app and find out what it is testing,

What program shall one run to do the trace?
* Good question; best i can do is use DOS DEBUG for now..

I don't think dos debug whould do, shouldn't it be something more
Windowsy?

Still..the ASUS M2N-MX SE Plus CD bitches saying it dislikes WIN_4.11
as an OS; cannot find that string *anywhere*.

I am trying to use the (not-so-nice) ASUS installer.

I'm still not sure what application you want to run...
But as long as you are not trying to install motherboard-drivers
that is made for another os than win98/se/me, wich of course will
never work - being more a part of the os than a application,
I hope you find the call to the missing API etc your application need

How do you get a GeForce6100/nForce430 chipset working with win98
in the first place?
I used VBE Miniport by Anapa Corp; the SVGA driver which gives 800x600
16 colors; the best that i could do (better than a kick in the head).
Sorry; make that read 256 colors...

teebo wrote:
How do you get a GeForce6100/nForce430 chipset working with win98
in the first place?

I used VBE Miniport by Anapa Corp; the SVGA driver which gives
800x600 16 colors

oh, even without graphic drivers for you graphic card
you don't have to stay with only 16 colors
If you don't find a driver or the tweaked NVidia 82.69 drivers
don't work for you, it should be possible to use 24bit color
with Bearwindows universal VESA-drivers. There is no 3D-support
and it say something about need to update bios for full
resolution with nvidia graphic cards(?) but it should at least
give you truecolor.

http://www.geocities.com/bearwindows/vbe9x.htm
or http://bearwindows.boot-land.net/vbe9x.htm
or http://www.navozhdeniye.narod.ru/vbe9x.htm

(I assume the geocities site will dissapear when yahoo
is closing geocities later this year)
Confusing as all heck.
First goo-gull hit:
"Universal VESA/VBE Video Display Driver (for Windows 9x x86 Architecture)"
Second hit:
"BEARWINDOWS Vault - This page is containing Microsoft(r) Windows™ ...
Universal VESA/VBE Video Display Driver for Windows NT-family operating
systems [?] ..."
Other hits state it is for Win2k and up.

The problem i see without trying (and i will try it), is that there
is no (standard?) VESA mode that gives anything better than 800x600 256
colors.
Another is that some of the goo-gull hits name it as VBEEMP.SYS which
AFAIK can be only loaded via config.sys which Win98SE etc ignore...

teebo wrote:
How do you get a GeForce6100/nForce430 chipset working with win98
in the first place?

I used VBE Miniport by Anapa Corp; the SVGA driver which gives
800x600 16 colors

oh, even without graphic drivers for you graphic card
you don't have to stay with only 16 colors
If you don't find a driver or the tweaked NVidia 82.69 drivers
don't work for you, it should be possible to use 24bit color
with Bearwindows universal VESA-drivers. There is no 3D-support
and it say something about need to update bios for full
resolution with nvidia graphic cards(?) but it should at least
give you truecolor.

http://www.geocities.com/bearwindows/vbe9x.htm
or http://bearwindows.boot-land.net/vbe9x.htm
or http://www.navozhdeniye.narod.ru/vbe9x.htm

(I assume the geocities site will dissapear when yahoo
is closing geocities later this year)
Confusing as all heck.
First goo-gull hit:
"Universal VESA/VBE Video Display Driver (for Windows 9x x86 Architecture)"
Second hit:
"BEARWINDOWS Vault - This page is containing Microsoft(r) Windows™ ...
Universal VESA/VBE Video Display Driver for Windows NT-family operating
systems [?] ..."
Other hits state it is for Win2k and up.

The problem i see without trying (and i will try it), is that there
is no (standard?) VESA mode that gives anything better than 800x600 256
colors.
Another is that some of the goo-gull hits name it as VBEEMP.SYS which
AFAIK can be only loaded via config.sys which Win98SE etc ignore...

teebo wrote:
How do you get a GeForce6100/nForce430 chipset working with win98
in the first place?

I used VBE Miniport by Anapa Corp; the SVGA driver which gives
800x600 16 colors

oh, even without graphic drivers for you graphic card
you don't have to stay with only 16 colors
If you don't find a driver or the tweaked NVidia 82.69 drivers
don't work for you, it should be possible to use 24bit color
with Bearwindows universal VESA-drivers. There is no 3D-support
and it say something about need to update bios for full
resolution with nvidia graphic cards(?) but it should at least
give you truecolor.

http://www.geocities.com/bearwindows/vbe9x.htm
or http://bearwindows.boot-land.net/vbe9x.htm
or http://www.navozhdeniye.narod.ru/vbe9x.htm

(I assume the geocities site will dissapear when yahoo
is closing geocities later this year)
I already have 081021.zip and am using it (as indicated).

teebo wrote:
How do you get a GeForce6100/nForce430 chipset working with win98
in the first place?

I used VBE Miniport by Anapa Corp; the SVGA driver which gives
800x600 16 colors

oh, even without graphic drivers for you graphic card
you don't have to stay with only 16 colors
If you don't find a driver or the tweaked NVidia 82.69 drivers
don't work for you, it should be possible to use 24bit color
with Bearwindows universal VESA-drivers. There is no 3D-support
and it say something about need to update bios for full
resolution with nvidia graphic cards(?) but it should at least
give you truecolor.

http://www.geocities.com/bearwindows/vbe9x.htm
or http://bearwindows.boot-land.net/vbe9x.htm
or http://www.navozhdeniye.narod.ru/vbe9x.htm

(I assume the geocities site will dissapear when yahoo
is closing geocities later this year)
I already have 081021.zip and am using it (as indicated).

teebo wrote:
How do you get a GeForce6100/nForce430 chipset working with win98
in the first place?

I used VBE Miniport by Anapa Corp; the SVGA driver which gives
800x600 16 colors

oh, even without graphic drivers for you graphic card
you don't have to stay with only 16 colors
If you don't find a driver or the tweaked NVidia 82.69 drivers
don't work for you, it should be possible to use 24bit color
with Bearwindows universal VESA-drivers. There is no 3D-support
and it say something about need to update bios for full
resolution with nvidia graphic cards(?) but it should at least
give you truecolor.

http://www.geocities.com/bearwindows/vbe9x.htm
or http://bearwindows.boot-land.net/vbe9x.htm
or http://www.navozhdeniye.narod.ru/vbe9x.htm

(I assume the geocities site will dissapear when yahoo
is closing geocities later this year)
The available list for the Anapa is:
VBE miniport
VBE miniport - Standard Graphics Adaptor (VGA)
VBE miniport - Standard PCI Graphics Adaptor
VBE miniport - Standard PCI Graphics Adaptor (VGA)
VBE miniport - Standard PCI Graphics Adaptor (XGA)
VBE miniport - SVGA
VBE miniport - VGA
It is the SVGA option i use now.
So, what do you recommend?

teebo wrote:
How do you get a GeForce6100/nForce430 chipset working with win98
in the first place?

I used VBE Miniport by Anapa Corp; the SVGA driver which gives
800x600 16 colors

oh, even without graphic drivers for you graphic card
you don't have to stay with only 16 colors
If you don't find a driver or the tweaked NVidia 82.69 drivers
don't work for you, it should be possible to use 24bit color
with Bearwindows universal VESA-drivers. There is no 3D-support
and it say something about need to update bios for full
resolution with nvidia graphic cards(?) but it should at least
give you truecolor.

http://www.geocities.com/bearwindows/vbe9x.htm
or http://bearwindows.boot-land.net/vbe9x.htm
or http://www.navozhdeniye.narod.ru/vbe9x.htm

(I assume the geocities site will dissapear when yahoo
is closing geocities later this year)
The available list for the Anapa is:
VBE miniport
VBE miniport - Standard Graphics Adaptor (VGA)
VBE miniport - Standard PCI Graphics Adaptor
VBE miniport - Standard PCI Graphics Adaptor (VGA)
VBE miniport - Standard PCI Graphics Adaptor (XGA)
VBE miniport - SVGA
VBE miniport - VGA
It is the SVGA option i use now.
So, what do you recommend?

don't work for you, it should be possible to use 24bit color
with Bearwindows universal VESA-drivers.or http://bearwindows.boot-land.net/vbe9x.htm
(I assume the geocities site will dissapear when yahoo is closing geocities

Confusing as all heck.

does that mean that you can't make bearwindows win98drivers to work?
did you try both \VBE9x\UNI\ and \VBE9x\NV\ in vbemp9x.zip?

First goo-gull hit:

hehe that is a new name for google :-D

"Universal VESA/VBE Video Display Driver (for Windows 9x x86 Architecture)"
Second hit:
"BEARWINDOWS Vault - This page is containing Microsoft(r) Windowsâ„¢ ...
Universal VESA/VBE Video Display Driver for Windows NT-family operating
systems [?] ..."

no no, you shall not use the NT-version of bearwindows.
bearwindows.boot-land.net/vbe9x.htm is the win95/98/me-version
just ignore the fact that the NT-version is newer, the 9x-version
seems allso to be in development, the page was updated march 2009

The problem i see without trying (and i will try it), is that there
is no (standard?) VESA mode that gives anything better than 800x600 256
colors.

if you by 'standard' mean that different card puts their higher
vesa resolutions at different id-numbers. But it doesn't matter,
the driver just asks the card for a full list and then picks the
right one from that.

name it as VBEEMP.SYS which
AFAIK can be only loaded via config.sys which Win98SE etc ignore...

no I don't think win98se ignore that config.sys
WinME do that, but not win98.

but bearwindows graphic drivers isn't supposed to be loaded
in config.sys. it is not a dos vesa driver that enhances
the cards bios, it is a windows driver that can be used if the
graphic card have vesa support allready built in. Just install it
from controlpanel/display/settings/advanced/card/change/list/floppy




I wonder if there are other nForce drivers for win98 that can be
modified by a skilled binary hacker that is looking at a
disassembling of win2000 drivers for nForce430...
(I'm just dreaming)

I think first thing you must do Robert, is to learn Assembler :-)

don't work for you, it should be possible to use 24bit color
with Bearwindows universal VESA-drivers.or http://bearwindows.boot-land.net/vbe9x.htm
(I assume the geocities site will dissapear when yahoo is closing geocities

Confusing as all heck.

does that mean that you can't make bearwindows win98drivers to work?
did you try both \VBE9x\UNI\ and \VBE9x\NV\ in vbemp9x.zip?

First goo-gull hit:

hehe that is a new name for google :-D

"Universal VESA/VBE Video Display Driver (for Windows 9x x86 Architecture)"
Second hit:
"BEARWINDOWS Vault - This page is containing Microsoft(r) Windowsâ„¢ ...
Universal VESA/VBE Video Display Driver for Windows NT-family operating
systems [?] ..."

no no, you shall not use the NT-version of bearwindows.
bearwindows.boot-land.net/vbe9x.htm is the win95/98/me-version
just ignore the fact that the NT-version is newer, the 9x-version
seems allso to be in development, the page was updated march 2009

The problem i see without trying (and i will try it), is that there
is no (standard?) VESA mode that gives anything better than 800x600 256
colors.

if you by 'standard' mean that different card puts their higher
vesa resolutions at different id-numbers. But it doesn't matter,
the driver just asks the card for a full list and then picks the
right one from that.

name it as VBEEMP.SYS which
AFAIK can be only loaded via config.sys which Win98SE etc ignore...

no I don't think win98se ignore that config.sys
WinME do that, but not win98.

but bearwindows graphic drivers isn't supposed to be loaded
in config.sys. it is not a dos vesa driver that enhances
the cards bios, it is a windows driver that can be used if the
graphic card have vesa support allready built in. Just install it
from controlpanel/display/settings/advanced/card/change/list/floppy




I wonder if there are other nForce drivers for win98 that can be
modified by a skilled binary hacker that is looking at a
disassembling of win2000 drivers for nForce430...
(I'm just dreaming)

I think first thing you must do Robert, is to learn Assembler :-)

The available list for the Anapa is:
VBE miniport ---choose this one

VBE miniport - Standard Graphics Adaptor (VGA) ???
VBE miniport - Standard PCI Graphics Adaptor ??? -- or this?
VBE miniport - Standard PCI Graphics Adaptor (VGA) ???
VBE miniport - Standard PCI Graphics Adaptor (XGA) 1024x768
VBE miniport - SVGA 800x600
VBE miniport - VGA 640x480
It is the SVGA option i use now.
So, what do you recommend?

I haven't used it myself, but what I understand of it
you should use the first one that only say VBE miniport.
I don't understand the other ones, since talking VESA
there should only be one (except for possibly
VGA and SVGA that are there if you temporarly want
to communicate the old standard-ways before vesa)?

On the other hand, he mentioned at the pages something
about if one doesn't work - try the next, so perhaps
they are there for cards that need special treatment.

hmm... if you look in the vbemp.inf file there is these lines:

%AnaPa.DeviceDesc% = Driver.Install, NOPNP
%AnaPa.DeviceDesc%%AnaPa.DeviceDesc1% = Driver.Install, PCI\CC_0300
%AnaPa.DeviceDesc%%AnaPa.DeviceDesc2% = Driver.Install, PCI\CC_0301
%AnaPa.DeviceDesc%%AnaPa.DeviceDesc3% = Driver.Install, PCI\CC_0380
%AnaPa.DeviceDesc%%AnaPa.DeviceDesc4% = Driver.Install, *PNP0900
%AnaPa.DeviceDesc%%AnaPa.DeviceDesc5% = Driver.Install, *PNP0917
%AnaPa.DeviceDesc%%AnaPa.DeviceDesc6% = Driver.Install, NOPNP

so it seems to be if the card is plug-and-play or not?

AnaPa.DeviceDesc = "VBE Miniport" -----not PnP?
AnaPa.DeviceDesc1 = " - Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)"
AnaPa.DeviceDesc2 = " - Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (XGA)"
AnaPa.DeviceDesc3 = " - Standard PCI Graphics Adapter"
AnaPa.DeviceDesc4 = " - Standard Graphics Adapter (VGA)"
AnaPa.DeviceDesc5 = " - VGA"
AnaPa.DeviceDesc6 = " - SVGA"


Somehow I get a feeling that you should not have got that
list at all during install, windows should have selected
the correct one automaticly (and don't select "show list"
but keep it at "search after")