Any Gmail users here.?

Franc Zabkar wrote in
:

SNIP

Only if you do webmail, methinks. I have 2 POP/SMTP
accounts with gmail and I don't have to deal with any
stupid "folders" OR spam. Have you actually ever USED a
POP/SMTP client (and a REAL one, not OE)?

This was to MEB.

I just read the
gmail IMAP page and I see absolutely NO advantage over POP
- but then again I do not care for wireless, mobile, or
cellphones. I guess I'm just an old fogey.

I use Eudora.

See above. I used to use Eudora until it became incompatible
with something somewhere, and the new version was unacceptably
bloated. Tried about 5-8 different ones, settled on nPop.

My POP/SMTP client can run constantly and check gmail (or
any account) for mail however often I tell it to. Deleting
stuff from the server is a matter of two clicks or key
strokes. As I very recently said to someone else, keeping
all your email on ANY but your /own machine/ is just asking
for trouble.

PLUS allows creation of
new local and online saved mail directories or deleting
old ones.

Nothing like collecting/playing with directories, huh?

I find it confusing. For example, I don't understand why
Sent Mail and Drafts are subdirectories under Inbox.
shrug

It is one of those "convenience" things which confuse people too
smart for "conveniences". [Give me convenience or give me death"
- Dead Kennedys album title.]

nPop saves "drafts" in the outbox - nothing gets sent until it
is /marked/ (hopefully finished first) to be sent. Much simpler.

Thanks for that. I'd always thought about trying IMAP but
never bothered.

I wouldn't.

I'm finding it useful for two reasons.

(1) I can delete undesirable messages at the server (once I
sort out Eudora's filters). All I need to download are the
headers.

nPop does that. As i just found out thanks to MEB, just found
out the gmail was still on their servers, but I changed the
setting and we'll se if it gets deleted, not that I /really/
care.

(2) I can check the messages that my ISP's spam filter has
trapped. In the past I've just been letting them go
automatically into the trash.

That's why I pay $15/year - I get /maybe/ 5 spams a year. MAYBE.

Even on my 2 gmail accts I have gotten NO spam - but I hardly
ever use them - they're for throwaway stuff and people too dumb
to be trusted with my real address.

The initial motivation was to clean out my deceased
cousin's mailbox. His wife is maintaining his account and
it keeps being deluged with spam at the rate of about 1000
per month. She lives some 100km away so I'm trying to do
this remotely via my own ISP. I'm not having too much luck
at the moment due to authentication issues. I can't see any
way of achieving the same end using POP. AFAICS, I would
have to download each message body, not just its header.

If it's POP not webmail, nPop (and Popcorn, that was its
original design intention) lets you delete stuff without dl'g
anything, or just a specified amount of lines - could be 5
lines..., I have nPop set for 100...

BTW, I detest webmail, so that's an option I'd like to
avoid.

Webmail is a curse.

I use POP for my primary email address.

Same here. There is web access available but I only use it if my
fingers run too fast and mess something up. Like once or twice a
year.



--
Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody eyes
are suitable, but will Pam secure that?

Franc Zabkar wrote in
:

SNIP

Only if you do webmail, methinks. I have 2 POP/SMTP
accounts with gmail and I don't have to deal with any
stupid "folders" OR spam. Have you actually ever USED a
POP/SMTP client (and a REAL one, not OE)?

This was to MEB.

I just read the
gmail IMAP page and I see absolutely NO advantage over POP
- but then again I do not care for wireless, mobile, or
cellphones. I guess I'm just an old fogey.

I use Eudora.

See above. I used to use Eudora until it became incompatible
with something somewhere, and the new version was unacceptably
bloated. Tried about 5-8 different ones, settled on nPop.

My POP/SMTP client can run constantly and check gmail (or
any account) for mail however often I tell it to. Deleting
stuff from the server is a matter of two clicks or key
strokes. As I very recently said to someone else, keeping
all your email on ANY but your /own machine/ is just asking
for trouble.

PLUS allows creation of
new local and online saved mail directories or deleting
old ones.

Nothing like collecting/playing with directories, huh?

I find it confusing. For example, I don't understand why
Sent Mail and Drafts are subdirectories under Inbox.
shrug

It is one of those "convenience" things which confuse people too
smart for "conveniences". [Give me convenience or give me death"
- Dead Kennedys album title.]

nPop saves "drafts" in the outbox - nothing gets sent until it
is /marked/ (hopefully finished first) to be sent. Much simpler.

Thanks for that. I'd always thought about trying IMAP but
never bothered.

I wouldn't.

I'm finding it useful for two reasons.

(1) I can delete undesirable messages at the server (once I
sort out Eudora's filters). All I need to download are the
headers.

nPop does that. As i just found out thanks to MEB, just found
out the gmail was still on their servers, but I changed the
setting and we'll se if it gets deleted, not that I /really/
care.

(2) I can check the messages that my ISP's spam filter has
trapped. In the past I've just been letting them go
automatically into the trash.

That's why I pay $15/year - I get /maybe/ 5 spams a year. MAYBE.

Even on my 2 gmail accts I have gotten NO spam - but I hardly
ever use them - they're for throwaway stuff and people too dumb
to be trusted with my real address.

The initial motivation was to clean out my deceased
cousin's mailbox. His wife is maintaining his account and
it keeps being deluged with spam at the rate of about 1000
per month. She lives some 100km away so I'm trying to do
this remotely via my own ISP. I'm not having too much luck
at the moment due to authentication issues. I can't see any
way of achieving the same end using POP. AFAICS, I would
have to download each message body, not just its header.

If it's POP not webmail, nPop (and Popcorn, that was its
original design intention) lets you delete stuff without dl'g
anything, or just a specified amount of lines - could be 5
lines..., I have nPop set for 100...

BTW, I detest webmail, so that's an option I'd like to
avoid.

Webmail is a curse.

I use POP for my primary email address.

Same here. There is web access available but I only use it if my
fingers run too fast and mess something up. Like once or twice a
year.



--
Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody eyes
are suitable, but will Pam secure that?

thanatoid wrote:
MEB wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote:
Franc Zabkar wrote in
:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:04:08 -0400, MEB
put finger to keyboard and
composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
SNIP

Set up a Gmail POP account. Then you can use your
preferred email client and avoid Gmail's web interface
altogether. That's what I do. I also have a free
POP-able Yahoo account.

Enabling POP - Gmail Help:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/a...py?hl=en&answe
r= 13273

I'd recommend the IMAP Google connection offered. Saves
having to log
into Google all the time to clear SPAM and deleted
messages
from the GMAIL/ALL MAIL directory
Only if you do webmail, methinks. I have 2 POP/SMTP
accounts with gmail and I don't have to deal with any
stupid "folders" OR spam. Have you actually ever USED a
POP/SMTP client (and a REAL one, not OE)? I just read the
gmail IMAP page and I see absolutely NO advantage over POP
- but then again I do not care for wireless, mobile, or
cellphones. I guess I'm just an old fogey.
The advantage for most, would be the storage folders you
can create
locally and online AT THE SAME TIME, and their
synchronization. Lose a drive,, no need to worry about lost
mail or other, just set your email program to IMAP, and the
mail is back on your hard drive.

Assumng it is still on the 'other' server...

Unless you actually delete it, it will be there on Google, that's
supposed to be one of the "selling points" for the service.


Your MOST personal can be
moved externally and backed-up, and permanently deleted if
necessary.
There is no local wireless, mobile, or cellphone support
via IMAP
unless you have something that would support that via
another client.

I forget the details - I have /no/ personal interest, and their
"optionality" /may/ be the case, but those were the ONLY
features of IMAP that offered any advantage over POP/SMTP, along
with all the disadvantages.

EVERY email you have ever received is still in your
gmail/All Mail
folder, regardless of you having supposedly deleted it in
pop [unless you set otherwise ON GMail].

I will check via Opera right now.

[...]

Well, what do you know... You are right - as YOU knew you were,
of course. I changed the setting, we'll see what happens. My POP
client DOES delete the messages as instructed in my /main/
account which is with someone else and which I pay $15/year for.

LOCAL mail
settings mean nothing, gmail controls what is actually done
at their server level. Moreover, if you logon to Google,
you will likely find several hundred SPAM messages in your
SPAM folder [gets deleted every 30 days or so].

I have 2 accounts and just checked the one I have only had for
about a week, but no spam at all.

Pulling apart some of the spam is an excellent way to keep
abreast of
some of the new methods... SPAM isn't always just *SPAM*...

Might want to clean out your Trash folder as well...

I did.

Good, I know those three "folders" caught me off guard.. and cost me a
few hours going through the saved ALL MAIL [yeah I know, I should have
read the pop info for GMail]...


And YES, I have tested ALL of the major [and most others]
mail/news,
mail only, news only, clients.. it happens to be one of the
things I did since about 93/4...

My POP/SMTP client can run constantly and check gmail (or
any account) for mail however often I tell it to. Deleting
stuff from the server is a matter of two clicks or key
strokes. As I very recently said to someone else, keeping
all your email on ANY but your /own machine/ is just
asking for trouble.
True, but unless you have set otherwise, *ALL* your mail
[from day one]
is still on gmail. Did you set otherwise *ON* the gmail
server? No, then login and check. Might want to clean out
all those overly-personal emails you thought you deleted...

I have no friends, so I don't get any overly personal stuff. The
gmail accounts are for annoying people whose computers are
hacked so I can';t and won't give them my real email address so
it doesn't get abused and spammed etc.

Oh, I'd bet the spammers WILL find you eventually..


Got some other POP accounts via other services,,, might
want to login
to those as well. Many converted to the same style as
Google with every mail actually saved regardless of local
settings.

Not mine.

That's good, I mentioned it because I found a few that had, luckily
they were throw-aways so I just let them go..


PLUS allows creation of
new local and online saved mail directories or deleting
old ones.
Nothing like collecting/playing with directories, huh?
No, just a convenience for most users. Receiving family
emails,, make a
folder called Family and put it there locally and flagged
as such online.

Yes I know, just being myself...

Thanks for that. I'd always thought about trying IMAP but
never bothered.
I wouldn't. But let us know if you do and what you think -
your opinion is highly respected.

Ah yeah, right...

I have used GMail POP for years [since the first month or
so of beta
offering] and converted to IMAP when that became available.
My issue is with this Linux version of Thunderbird...

Learn Japanese and ask the author to write a Linux version of
nPop.

Linux has lots of mail programs, large or small, gui and not, so I'm
not sure there needs to be yet another.. though there will be as more
former Windows users move to the OS.

You like nPOP because its so small, plain, and just does what its
supposed to do... not very "Windows user" like of ya... probably a port
from Linux anyway..


I have had numerous {dozen or more} other accounts via
several other
providers; POP, DAV, IMAP...

Cool.

--
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http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

thanatoid wrote:
MEB wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote:
Franc Zabkar wrote in
:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:04:08 -0400, MEB
put finger to keyboard and
composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
SNIP

Set up a Gmail POP account. Then you can use your
preferred email client and avoid Gmail's web interface
altogether. That's what I do. I also have a free
POP-able Yahoo account.

Enabling POP - Gmail Help:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/a...py?hl=en&answe
r= 13273

I'd recommend the IMAP Google connection offered. Saves
having to log
into Google all the time to clear SPAM and deleted
messages
from the GMAIL/ALL MAIL directory
Only if you do webmail, methinks. I have 2 POP/SMTP
accounts with gmail and I don't have to deal with any
stupid "folders" OR spam. Have you actually ever USED a
POP/SMTP client (and a REAL one, not OE)? I just read the
gmail IMAP page and I see absolutely NO advantage over POP
- but then again I do not care for wireless, mobile, or
cellphones. I guess I'm just an old fogey.
The advantage for most, would be the storage folders you
can create
locally and online AT THE SAME TIME, and their
synchronization. Lose a drive,, no need to worry about lost
mail or other, just set your email program to IMAP, and the
mail is back on your hard drive.

Assumng it is still on the 'other' server...

Unless you actually delete it, it will be there on Google, that's
supposed to be one of the "selling points" for the service.


Your MOST personal can be
moved externally and backed-up, and permanently deleted if
necessary.
There is no local wireless, mobile, or cellphone support
via IMAP
unless you have something that would support that via
another client.

I forget the details - I have /no/ personal interest, and their
"optionality" /may/ be the case, but those were the ONLY
features of IMAP that offered any advantage over POP/SMTP, along
with all the disadvantages.

EVERY email you have ever received is still in your
gmail/All Mail
folder, regardless of you having supposedly deleted it in
pop [unless you set otherwise ON GMail].

I will check via Opera right now.

[...]

Well, what do you know... You are right - as YOU knew you were,
of course. I changed the setting, we'll see what happens. My POP
client DOES delete the messages as instructed in my /main/
account which is with someone else and which I pay $15/year for.

LOCAL mail
settings mean nothing, gmail controls what is actually done
at their server level. Moreover, if you logon to Google,
you will likely find several hundred SPAM messages in your
SPAM folder [gets deleted every 30 days or so].

I have 2 accounts and just checked the one I have only had for
about a week, but no spam at all.

Pulling apart some of the spam is an excellent way to keep
abreast of
some of the new methods... SPAM isn't always just *SPAM*...

Might want to clean out your Trash folder as well...

I did.

Good, I know those three "folders" caught me off guard.. and cost me a
few hours going through the saved ALL MAIL [yeah I know, I should have
read the pop info for GMail]...


And YES, I have tested ALL of the major [and most others]
mail/news,
mail only, news only, clients.. it happens to be one of the
things I did since about 93/4...

My POP/SMTP client can run constantly and check gmail (or
any account) for mail however often I tell it to. Deleting
stuff from the server is a matter of two clicks or key
strokes. As I very recently said to someone else, keeping
all your email on ANY but your /own machine/ is just
asking for trouble.
True, but unless you have set otherwise, *ALL* your mail
[from day one]
is still on gmail. Did you set otherwise *ON* the gmail
server? No, then login and check. Might want to clean out
all those overly-personal emails you thought you deleted...

I have no friends, so I don't get any overly personal stuff. The
gmail accounts are for annoying people whose computers are
hacked so I can';t and won't give them my real email address so
it doesn't get abused and spammed etc.

Oh, I'd bet the spammers WILL find you eventually..


Got some other POP accounts via other services,,, might
want to login
to those as well. Many converted to the same style as
Google with every mail actually saved regardless of local
settings.

Not mine.

That's good, I mentioned it because I found a few that had, luckily
they were throw-aways so I just let them go..


PLUS allows creation of
new local and online saved mail directories or deleting
old ones.
Nothing like collecting/playing with directories, huh?
No, just a convenience for most users. Receiving family
emails,, make a
folder called Family and put it there locally and flagged
as such online.

Yes I know, just being myself...

Thanks for that. I'd always thought about trying IMAP but
never bothered.
I wouldn't. But let us know if you do and what you think -
your opinion is highly respected.

Ah yeah, right...

I have used GMail POP for years [since the first month or
so of beta
offering] and converted to IMAP when that became available.
My issue is with this Linux version of Thunderbird...

Learn Japanese and ask the author to write a Linux version of
nPop.

Linux has lots of mail programs, large or small, gui and not, so I'm
not sure there needs to be yet another.. though there will be as more
former Windows users move to the OS.

You like nPOP because its so small, plain, and just does what its
supposed to do... not very "Windows user" like of ya... probably a port
from Linux anyway..


I have had numerous {dozen or more} other accounts via
several other
providers; POP, DAV, IMAP...

Cool.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

MEB wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote:

SNIP


Assumng it is still on the 'other' server...

Unless you actually delete it, it will be there on Google,
that's supposed to be one of the "selling points" for the
service.

***SIGH***

SNIP

Might want to clean out your Trash folder as well...

I did.

Good, I know those three "folders" caught me off guard..
and cost me a
few hours going through the saved ALL MAIL [yeah I know, I
should have read the pop info for GMail]...

I /thought/ I read it but the "stays on gmail server even if
POP client told to delete" (I know they don't use anything
near this phrase to describe it) slipped by me.

I have no friends, so I don't get any overly personal
stuff. The gmail accounts are for annoying people whose
computers are hacked so I can';t and won't give them my
real email address so it doesn't get abused and spammed
etc.

Oh, I'd bet the spammers WILL find you eventually..

It's been at least 5 years... And even though I was careful
from the start, now I don't give that address out to almost
anyone. That's why I have 2 stupid gmail addresses.

The funny thing about spam is that even if someone gets your
address, the spam comes for a day or two and then it's over
until the next time. That's been my - limited - experience
anyway.

available. My issue is with this Linux version of
Thunderbird...

Learn Japanese and ask the author to write a Linux version
of nPop.

Linux has lots of mail programs, large or small, gui and
not, so I'm
not sure there needs to be yet another.. though there will
be as more former Windows users move to the OS.

You like nPOP because its so small, plain, and just does
what its
supposed to do... not very "Windows user" like of ya...
probably a port from Linux anyway..

No, it's pure Windows...
http://www.nakka.com/soft/npop/index_eng.html

I keep on forgetting so many of you here are on Linux... I
seriously considered it - even ran Damn Small Linux from the
CD as a virtual drive - worked perfectly - but THEN I found
out something I never thought about before (duh): will I see
my Windows files? A TXT file is a TXT file, a jpg is a jpg,
etc... but if you can't see the drives. etc... I did find a
couple of programs that allow this but after 15 years of
wasting time (occasionally doing something actually useful to
me or others) I have so much crap that having to use a "3rd
party" (not the best term to use here, but) program [and it
appears to be a WINDOWS program] to access them JUST not to
have to use Windows seemed a little paradoxical.


--
Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody
eyes are suitable, but will Pam secure that?

MEB wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote:

SNIP


Assumng it is still on the 'other' server...

Unless you actually delete it, it will be there on Google,
that's supposed to be one of the "selling points" for the
service.

***SIGH***

SNIP

Might want to clean out your Trash folder as well...

I did.

Good, I know those three "folders" caught me off guard..
and cost me a
few hours going through the saved ALL MAIL [yeah I know, I
should have read the pop info for GMail]...

I /thought/ I read it but the "stays on gmail server even if
POP client told to delete" (I know they don't use anything
near this phrase to describe it) slipped by me.

I have no friends, so I don't get any overly personal
stuff. The gmail accounts are for annoying people whose
computers are hacked so I can';t and won't give them my
real email address so it doesn't get abused and spammed
etc.

Oh, I'd bet the spammers WILL find you eventually..

It's been at least 5 years... And even though I was careful
from the start, now I don't give that address out to almost
anyone. That's why I have 2 stupid gmail addresses.

The funny thing about spam is that even if someone gets your
address, the spam comes for a day or two and then it's over
until the next time. That's been my - limited - experience
anyway.

available. My issue is with this Linux version of
Thunderbird...

Learn Japanese and ask the author to write a Linux version
of nPop.

Linux has lots of mail programs, large or small, gui and
not, so I'm
not sure there needs to be yet another.. though there will
be as more former Windows users move to the OS.

You like nPOP because its so small, plain, and just does
what its
supposed to do... not very "Windows user" like of ya...
probably a port from Linux anyway..

No, it's pure Windows...
http://www.nakka.com/soft/npop/index_eng.html

I keep on forgetting so many of you here are on Linux... I
seriously considered it - even ran Damn Small Linux from the
CD as a virtual drive - worked perfectly - but THEN I found
out something I never thought about before (duh): will I see
my Windows files? A TXT file is a TXT file, a jpg is a jpg,
etc... but if you can't see the drives. etc... I did find a
couple of programs that allow this but after 15 years of
wasting time (occasionally doing something actually useful to
me or others) I have so much crap that having to use a "3rd
party" (not the best term to use here, but) program [and it
appears to be a WINDOWS program] to access them JUST not to
have to use Windows seemed a little paradoxical.


--
Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody
eyes are suitable, but will Pam secure that?

thanatoid wrote:
MEB wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote:

SNIP


Assumng it is still on the 'other' server...

Unless you actually delete it, it will be there on Google,
that's supposed to be one of the "selling points" for the
service.

***SIGH***

SNIP

Might want to clean out your Trash folder as well...
I did.
Good, I know those three "folders" caught me off guard..
and cost me a
few hours going through the saved ALL MAIL [yeah I know, I
should have read the pop info for GMail]...

I /thought/ I read it but the "stays on gmail server even if
POP client told to delete" (I know they don't use anything
near this phrase to describe it) slipped by me.

I have no friends, so I don't get any overly personal
stuff. The gmail accounts are for annoying people whose
computers are hacked so I can';t and won't give them my
real email address so it doesn't get abused and spammed
etc.
Oh, I'd bet the spammers WILL find you eventually..

It's been at least 5 years... And even though I was careful
from the start, now I don't give that address out to almost
anyone. That's why I have 2 stupid gmail addresses.

The funny thing about spam is that even if someone gets your
address, the spam comes for a day or two and then it's over
until the next time. That's been my - limited - experience
anyway.

available. My issue is with this Linux version of
Thunderbird...
Learn Japanese and ask the author to write a Linux version
of nPop.
Linux has lots of mail programs, large or small, gui and
not, so I'm
not sure there needs to be yet another.. though there will
be as more former Windows users move to the OS.

You like nPOP because its so small, plain, and just does
what its
supposed to do... not very "Windows user" like of ya...
probably a port from Linux anyway..

No, it's pure Windows...
http://www.nakka.com/soft/npop/index_eng.html

I keep on forgetting so many of you here are on Linux... I
seriously considered it - even ran Damn Small Linux from the
CD as a virtual drive - worked perfectly - but THEN I found
out something I never thought about before (duh): will I see
my Windows files? A TXT file is a TXT file, a jpg is a jpg,
etc... but if you can't see the drives. etc... I did find a
couple of programs that allow this but after 15 years of
wasting time (occasionally doing something actually useful to
me or others) I have so much crap that having to use a "3rd
party" (not the best term to use here, but) program [and it
appears to be a WINDOWS program] to access them JUST not to
have to use Windows seemed a little paradoxical.



AH, that's a common complaint, most Windows users experience the same
issue, or at least think they do.
Many of the newer Linux compilations automatically mount your Windows
partitions [yes even NTFS] but you may not know where to *look*. Or with
a click, will do so. So your complaint would be to the compiler of "Damn
Small Linux".
OR, some still require you manually modify fstab [a mounting
script/program] to include your Windows and other drives/partitions. It
all is mostly built in or comes via some minimal installation(s) if it
wasn't included.

Try one of the actual consumer grade Linux compilations [Suse,
K/E/?Ubuntu, and the like] you definitely have the computer for it, and
they also come on LIVECD.

I've configured the one I'm presently using to look like 9X, with an
additional "panel at the top for constantly running apps, search,
weather, dictionary, and other stuff], have some things that look like
XP/VISTA [transparent icons, pointers and stuff], and its running on the
same old 9X master test box only faster, safer, and with MORE and newer
apps, and Win98SE is still installed [dual booted] for games, old apps
and such. Boots about as quick as a network configured 9X, supports my
old devices,, so...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

thanatoid wrote:
MEB wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote:

SNIP


Assumng it is still on the 'other' server...

Unless you actually delete it, it will be there on Google,
that's supposed to be one of the "selling points" for the
service.

***SIGH***

SNIP

Might want to clean out your Trash folder as well...
I did.
Good, I know those three "folders" caught me off guard..
and cost me a
few hours going through the saved ALL MAIL [yeah I know, I
should have read the pop info for GMail]...

I /thought/ I read it but the "stays on gmail server even if
POP client told to delete" (I know they don't use anything
near this phrase to describe it) slipped by me.

I have no friends, so I don't get any overly personal
stuff. The gmail accounts are for annoying people whose
computers are hacked so I can';t and won't give them my
real email address so it doesn't get abused and spammed
etc.
Oh, I'd bet the spammers WILL find you eventually..

It's been at least 5 years... And even though I was careful
from the start, now I don't give that address out to almost
anyone. That's why I have 2 stupid gmail addresses.

The funny thing about spam is that even if someone gets your
address, the spam comes for a day or two and then it's over
until the next time. That's been my - limited - experience
anyway.

available. My issue is with this Linux version of
Thunderbird...
Learn Japanese and ask the author to write a Linux version
of nPop.
Linux has lots of mail programs, large or small, gui and
not, so I'm
not sure there needs to be yet another.. though there will
be as more former Windows users move to the OS.

You like nPOP because its so small, plain, and just does
what its
supposed to do... not very "Windows user" like of ya...
probably a port from Linux anyway..

No, it's pure Windows...
http://www.nakka.com/soft/npop/index_eng.html

I keep on forgetting so many of you here are on Linux... I
seriously considered it - even ran Damn Small Linux from the
CD as a virtual drive - worked perfectly - but THEN I found
out something I never thought about before (duh): will I see
my Windows files? A TXT file is a TXT file, a jpg is a jpg,
etc... but if you can't see the drives. etc... I did find a
couple of programs that allow this but after 15 years of
wasting time (occasionally doing something actually useful to
me or others) I have so much crap that having to use a "3rd
party" (not the best term to use here, but) program [and it
appears to be a WINDOWS program] to access them JUST not to
have to use Windows seemed a little paradoxical.



AH, that's a common complaint, most Windows users experience the same
issue, or at least think they do.
Many of the newer Linux compilations automatically mount your Windows
partitions [yes even NTFS] but you may not know where to *look*. Or with
a click, will do so. So your complaint would be to the compiler of "Damn
Small Linux".
OR, some still require you manually modify fstab [a mounting
script/program] to include your Windows and other drives/partitions. It
all is mostly built in or comes via some minimal installation(s) if it
wasn't included.

Try one of the actual consumer grade Linux compilations [Suse,
K/E/?Ubuntu, and the like] you definitely have the computer for it, and
they also come on LIVECD.

I've configured the one I'm presently using to look like 9X, with an
additional "panel at the top for constantly running apps, search,
weather, dictionary, and other stuff], have some things that look like
XP/VISTA [transparent icons, pointers and stuff], and its running on the
same old 9X master test box only faster, safer, and with MORE and newer
apps, and Win98SE is still installed [dual booted] for games, old apps
and such. Boots about as quick as a network configured 9X, supports my
old devices,, so...

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MEB wrote in
:

SNIP

...that having to use a "3rd party" (not the best term
to use here, but) program [and it appears to be a WINDOWS
program] to access them JUST not to have to use Windows
seemed a little paradoxical.

AH, that's a common complaint, most Windows users
experience the same
issue, or at least think they do.
Many of the newer Linux compilations automatically mount
your Windows
partitions [yes even NTFS] but you may not know where to
*look*. Or with a click, will do so. So your complaint
would be to the compiler of "Damn Small Linux".

I actually never tried to look at other drives, I spent VERY
little time with it, but "I came, I saw, I left".

It may well have the feature you're talking about. I DID open a
two-pane file manager (whatever comes with it) but I can't
remember (REALLY getting old, it was only like 10 days ago...)
if I even looked at any other drives and if so, if I saw
anything...

Still, the info you provided is greatly appreciated and WAS
saved.

SNIP




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Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody eyes
are suitable, but will Pam secure that?

MEB wrote in
:

SNIP

...that having to use a "3rd party" (not the best term
to use here, but) program [and it appears to be a WINDOWS
program] to access them JUST not to have to use Windows
seemed a little paradoxical.

AH, that's a common complaint, most Windows users
experience the same
issue, or at least think they do.
Many of the newer Linux compilations automatically mount
your Windows
partitions [yes even NTFS] but you may not know where to
*look*. Or with a click, will do so. So your complaint
would be to the compiler of "Damn Small Linux".

I actually never tried to look at other drives, I spent VERY
little time with it, but "I came, I saw, I left".

It may well have the feature you're talking about. I DID open a
two-pane file manager (whatever comes with it) but I can't
remember (REALLY getting old, it was only like 10 days ago...)
if I even looked at any other drives and if so, if I saw
anything...

Still, the info you provided is greatly appreciated and WAS
saved.

SNIP




--
Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody eyes
are suitable, but will Pam secure that?