What's the deal with MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) and Windows 98?

If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly
now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.

How can I determine whether it runs in the background on my system or
not? Will it show in the Task Manager?

The free process viewer, "Process Explorer", will report every executing
module:
www.sysinternals.com

If the Win Update patch is properly installed, KB891711.exe will be
executing.
And there will be a Windows\System\KB891711 folder with two files in it, a
..EXE and a .DLL.

The Windows Task Manger here is reporting the .EXE as running, also.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

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In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
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"Eugene" wrote in message
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If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly
now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.

How can I determine whether it runs in the background on my system or
not? Will it show in the Task Manager?

Download and run TaskInfo 2003.

"Eugene" wrote in message
oups.com...
If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly
now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.

How can I determine whether it runs in the background on my system or
not? Will it show in the Task Manager?

Like I said a few days ago, Task Info 2003 shows the EXE file but measures
only
0.4% CPU usage.

"Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message
...
The free process viewer, "Process Explorer", will report every executing
module:
www.sysinternals.com

If the Win Update patch is properly installed, KB891711.exe will be
executing.
And there will be a Windows\System\KB891711 folder with two files in it, a
.EXE and a .DLL.

The Windows Task Manger here is reporting the .EXE as running, also.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Eugene" wrote in message
oups.com...
If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly
now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.

How can I determine whether it runs in the background on my system or
not? Will it show in the Task Manager?

Thanks John --- makes me think about John 3

"John John" wrote in message
...
: Get Thunderbird to open this:
:
: news://news.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.win98.setup
:
: or
:
: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...ic.win98.setup
:
: or
:
: news://news.microsoft.com:119/micros...ic.win98.setup
:
: or
:
: news://msnews.microsoft.com:119/micr...ic.win98.setup
:
: Tip: Set Thunderbird as your default newsreader.
: StartSettingsControl PanelInternet OptionsPrograms Tab...
:
: John
:
: Dan wrote:
:
: John, I like Mozilla Firefox better than IE but cannot get used to the
: Mozilla Thunderbird newsgroup as of yet. Maybe I am just too comfortable
: with Outlook Express.
:
: "John John" wrote in message
: ...
: : Thunderbird (free): http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/
: :
: : Pegasus Mail (free): http://www.pmail.com/overviews.htm
: :
: : Eudora (not free): http://www.eudora.com/eudoralight/
: :
: : Agent (not free): http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php
: :
: :
: : Many others exist. Search the net for "mail reader".
: :
: : My favorite is Thunderbird, can be had "stand alone" or part of the
: : Mozilla/Firefox "suite" http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
: :
: : You will never go back to IE and OE once you experience the Mozilla
: : applications.
: :
: : John
: :
: :
: :
: : len gardener wrote:
: :
: : g'day john john,
: :
: : i don't use oe for much is there another program similar that i can
: : use instead?
: :
: : ta
: :
: : len
: :
: : snipped
:
:

Thanks Jack.

"Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message
...
: The free process viewer, "Process Explorer", will report every executing
: module:
: www.sysinternals.com
:
: If the Win Update patch is properly installed, KB891711.exe will be
: executing.
: And there will be a Windows\System\KB891711 folder with two files in it, a
: .EXE and a .DLL.
:
: The Windows Task Manger here is reporting the .EXE as running, also.
: --
: Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
: Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
:
: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
: In Memorium: Alex Nichol
: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
: Your cooperation is very appreciated.
: ------
: "Eugene" wrote in message
: oups.com...
: If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly
: now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
:
: How can I determine whether it runs in the background on my system or
: not? Will it show in the Task Manager?
:
:
:

Thanks, Galen. Bookmarked site for future reference. removed non working
newsgroup

"Galen" wrote in message
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: In ,
: len gardener had this to say:
:
: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
:
: thanks john john,
:
: i will sus' all that info out never been happy with oe.
:
: len
:
: snipped
:
: Give this a try if you like light and easy:
:
: http://xnews.newsguy.com/
:
: I use it when I'm on the road or when I'm on someone else's computer.
:
: Galen
: --
: Signature changed for a moment of silence.
: Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.
:
:

I bookmarked the site --- new is not always better --- LOL!! how true
removed newsgroup -- not working

"Dan" wrote in message
...
: Thanks, Luke what does 3.06 give you that 3.05 does not give you?
:
: "Luke" wrote in message
: ...
: : On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 06:45:27 -0700, "Dan" wrote:
: :
: : I am Googling for it now to test it if I can get a hold of this old
: program.
: :
: : http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=eudora
: :
: : I suggest 3.0.6.
: :
: : --
: : Luke
:
:

In ,
Dan had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

Thanks, Galen. Bookmarked site for future reference. removed non
working newsgroup

Wow, I'm glad I flag new messages. It's a decent app for what it does but
it's not as robust as a full client, checking the file size will tell you
that. More features? More bloat... I've found it handy at a number of other
people's computers where I wanted to check a post or the like or post and
wait for an answer in a busy NG. Thanks for posting this to only microsoft
newsgroups as I don't subscribe to any others.

Galen
--
Signature changed for a moment of silence.
Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.

Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General
group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs.
Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. The
biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble with
KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests
and return the results.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts'

the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at
work.....

roof is needed not rumors.

I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head
yet.

"Dan" wrote in message
...
It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
: Any particular boards?
:
: Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some
one
: saying it must be ...?
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing
havoc
with
: some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware.
For
some
of
: the users baddies are definately involved but definately not
with all
the
: users.
:
: "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
: ...
: : Whata's the downside of this update?
: :
: : "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
: : ...
: : Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I
want to
: install
: : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install
these
updates
: in
: : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But
on
the
: other
: : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of
KB891711, the
: : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this
patch
is
: far
: : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine.
Keep in
mind
: that
: : there have been several updates this year considered
"important" for
: Windows
: : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune
pointed
out,
: the
: : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not
so
: significant
: : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine
probably *is*
: : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100%
secure
all
: the
: : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about
not
having
: this
: : one patch installed.
: :
: : And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running
WITHOUT
: : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I
decided I
would
: run
: : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what -
nothing
found
: other
: : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important
thing is
being
: : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the
Internet.
: :
: : Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was,
but what
I
: do
: : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in
this
manner,
: : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and
apparently
: without
: : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
: :
: :
: :
: : "Dan" wrote in message
: : ...
: : According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update
that
has
: as
: : of now
: : not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need
this
critical
: : update
: : because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a
way to
: : compromise
: : all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch
and have
not
: : been
: : updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers
will be
a
: : maximum of
: : 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is
connected
to
: the
: : Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE"
running
because
: I
: : am
: : sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better
fix but
: this
: is
: : a
: : temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe
while
: on-line.
: : If
: : programs are not responding then discover why. People you
need
this
: : CRITICAL
: : PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run
with the
: patch
: : because
: : of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove
Ethernet
cable,
: USB
: : cable
: : or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if
you do
not
: do
: : this
: : and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just
asking for
: your
: : system
: : to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends
although
I
: know
: a
: : lot
: : about security on computers and weak access points and
could
: probably
: do
: : it
: : without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is
with
keeping
: the
: : U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers
to try
and
: get
: : one
: : small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby,
the
: : terriorists and
: : finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others
can
help
: you
: : with
: : your computer problems. Have a nice day!
: :
: : "98 Guy" wrote in message
: ...
: : :
: : : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
: : :
: : :
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
: : :
: : : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the
past
week)
: : : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you
almost
: : : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in
the
: background.
: : : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time
any
such
: update
: : : or security patch has been configured to operate
(instead of
: simply
: : : replacing an existing file).
: : :
: : : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE)
is
: critical
: : : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are
simply
: deactivating
: : : it (via msconfig).
: : :
: : : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
: KB891711.EXE?
: : :
: : : Is there anything special about it (like running it in
safe
mode
: to
: : : properly install it) ?
: : :
: : : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: : :
: : : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
: :
: :
: :
:
:
: