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installation of windows 98se
I recently puchase a copy of window 98se full version to
upgrade from windows 98. I should have purchase the upgrade but accidently bought the full version. Can I install this without losing all other prorams on my pc? |
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Maybe but you should always back up important data when you are tinkering
with a system just in case something goes wrong. If you have an OEM version (says on the disk, to be distributed with new PC or words to that effect), go he http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/upgrade.html If you have a retail version of W98, it will upgrade or install to a blank hard drive. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "w. austin" wrote in message ... I recently puchase a copy of window 98se full version to upgrade from windows 98. I should have purchase the upgrade but accidently bought the full version. Can I install this without losing all other prorams on my pc? |
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You mistakenly did the best thing possible. Although you'll hear stories
about successful upgrades, there seem to be far more disasters. Read some of the messages about the subject in this newsgroup. Here's a beauty: Look for the subject line "won't boot", from "anonymous user". If that doesn't convince you, then you're a glutton for punishment. Onward: Back up your DATA files. That means documents, spreadsheets, photos, music....anything you've created that you don't want to lose. It means copying them to floppies, zip drive, tape drive, CD-ROM, or another computer. Something OTHER than the computer you're going to work on. Next: You said "all other programs". Presumably, you have the original installation disks for those programs, so reinstalling them will not be a problem. If you're concerned about all the time it'll involve, forget about it. At least it's an orderly process with reasonably predictable results. Next: You'll reformat your hard disk (which erases everything) and install Win98SE from scratch. Spend some time reading at this site: http://www.cyberwalker.net/faqs/how-...stall-faq.html Come back with questions. If there are no questions, something's wrong. When you've been through this process, you will be EXTREMELY pleased with the results. On the other hand, if you decide to upgrade rather than do a clean install, you'll probably be EXTREMELY ****ed off by sometime this weekend. "w. austin" wrote in message ... I recently puchase a copy of window 98se full version to upgrade from windows 98. I should have purchase the upgrade but accidently bought the full version. Can I install this without losing all other prorams on my pc? |
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:04:02 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: Next: You'll reformat your hard disk (which erases everything) and install Win98SE from scratch. Having installed Win98SE from scratch and reinstalled all application programs and hardware, is it possible to back up all of that (on to a CD) so that it can be copied back regularly without going through an install process? It's just a bunch of files, right? If not, why not? My application data can be backed up separately. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:04:02 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: Next: You'll reformat your hard disk (which erases everything) and install Win98SE from scratch. Having installed Win98SE from scratch and reinstalled all application programs and hardware, is it possible to back up all of that (on to a CD) so that it can be copied back regularly without going through an install process? It's just a bunch of files, right? If not, why not? My application data can be backed up separately. Maybe....sort of. But, depending on the reason you're reinstalling, it may defeat the purpose. Example: I just bought a slightly larger fishing tackle box yesterday. No more lures - just the box. After I'd transferred everything that was useful, the old box still contained about 3 cups of dead bugs, little pieces of fishing line which I prefer not to toss in the water, and some very rusty hooks, all combined into a mass in the dark bottom corners. This is analogous to how many computers end up after a few years of use. We (but not I) often download all sorts of crap that we end up never using, and maybe uninstalling. Or not. And, every time you update software, something in the registry may change. One day, you may find that your machine's doing something nasty. Maybe a piece of software is suddenly crashing or freezing the machine, after being nothing but dependable for the past 3 years. Or, perhaps the computer seems deathly slow. So, you decide to reinstall the OS. Why would you want to copy garbage to the new installation? |
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I think you will have pleasanter fishing, if...
Once you have a functioning system, especially one close to a clean install, do a full system backup. If you have multiple partitions, I guess a backup is a bit more complex. It depends upon the ties between the Registry & the other partitions, as to whether they must be backed up concurrently. Also, if you've changed the hardware since the backup, you may need to change it back before a restore. http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning strategy http://home.wanadoo.nl/geurt/home.html Extended Operating System Loader http://powerquest.com/driveimage/ Drive Image http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/ TrueImage http://www.arjsoftware.com ARJ Archiver http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup capabilities: Copy to HDD, or Image to HDD or to CD. (TBIView, freely downloadable, can retrieve individual files from an Image.) Shrink/expand your partitions without data loss. Multi-boot, if you dare. Free, run from floppy, but pay up as I did if satisfied. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95. http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free) http://www.han-soft.com/habt.php Auto Backup (30-day free trial) http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/cposupport...&p=hpcdwriter2 Simple Backup http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free) http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/ http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy downloads. There is a $20 yearly charge now. http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic Partition Magic http://www.ranish.com/part/ Ranish Partition Manager http://www.rescue-me.net/gold.html http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Backups http://www.stompinc.com/bump/bump_details.phtml?stp Backup MyPC http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery http://www.tomsterdam.com/ BU process, performance, etc. http://www.v-com.com/product/pc_ind.html Partition Commander http://www.veritas.com Backup apps http://www.xxcopy.com/ Detailed Procedure Copy (Free) http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free) All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it carefully and verify all is well. After making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag on it. If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps, restore it and do a Scandisk/Defrag. http://www.pchelpandconsulting.com/links/windows.html WinDrvExpert http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version Those last two supposedly back up all currently installed drivers, such that they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a favorable report. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR wrote in message ... | On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:04:02 GMT, "Doug Kanter" | wrote: | | Next: You'll reformat your hard disk (which erases everything) and install | Win98SE from scratch. | | Having installed Win98SE from scratch and reinstalled all application | programs and hardware, is it possible to back up all of that (on to a | CD) so that it can be copied back regularly without going through an | install process? | It's just a bunch of files, right? If not, why not? | My application data can be backed up separately. |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:20:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:04:02 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: Next: You'll reformat your hard disk (which erases everything) and install Win98SE from scratch. Having installed Win98SE from scratch and reinstalled all application programs and hardware, is it possible to back up all of that (on to a CD) so that it can be copied back regularly without going through an install process? It's just a bunch of files, right? If not, why not? My application data can be backed up separately. Maybe....sort of. But, depending on the reason you're reinstalling, it may defeat the purpose. Example: I just bought a slightly larger fishing tackle box yesterday. No more lures - just the box. After I'd transferred everything that was useful, the old box still contained about 3 cups of dead bugs, little pieces of fishing line which I prefer not to toss in the water, and some very rusty hooks, all combined into a mass in the dark bottom corners. This is analogous to how many computers end up after a few years of use. We (but not I) often download all sorts of crap that we end up never using, and maybe uninstalling. Or not. And, every time you update software, something in the registry may change. One day, you may find that your machine's doing something nasty. Maybe a piece of software is suddenly crashing or freezing the machine, after being nothing but dependable for the past 3 years. Or, perhaps the computer seems deathly slow. So, you decide to reinstall the OS. Why would you want to copy garbage to the new installation? The reason for reinstalling regularly is to get rid of the thousands of files, logs, registry entries etc that grow and grow with Windows (what bad programming is that?), and also in case of infection by viruses and trojans etc. What I was wanting to do is to reformat the disk, have a clean install of Win98SE, install the applications that I've been using for years, then back all that up before I use anything. Then every few months I'd like to reformat the disk and restore that backup. So there should be no "garbage". What I'm really wanting to know is if a backup and restore will correctly copy the registry and any other devious system files. I will backup my application data separately. Before I update any software I will restore the system backup, then backup that new system. I have a friend who has a Linux system which can be re-installed in 11 minutes. If Windows is capable of that, well and good, but I doubt it. I really can't face a whole day reinstalling Windows and all my applications, too often. The way Windows, its registry and applications are tied together inextricably is quite ridiculous. Each application should be entirely independent of others, and able to be separately backed up and restored. But no, files are thrown everywhere, including into that damned registry. There are hidden files. There are routines that are shared between applications but which require different versions. Uninstalls don't delete everything that was installed. What an absolute mess. |
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... What I'm really wanting to know is if a backup and restore will correctly copy the registry and any other devious system files. The answer is "sometimes". Any backup software can be set up to grab whatever files & folders you want. But there are also products which are designed to create a COMPLETE copy of your entire system. These things were originally designed for corporate settings where IT staff wanted a quick way to clone a computer setup with all the necessary apps, settings & desktop arrangements. This way, when a new employee arrived, his/her machine could be "created" without someone having to sit through a whole series of installations. One or both of these products will handle this task - I haven't read either page in enough detail. http://www.symantec.com/sabu/ghost/ghost_personal/ http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/ I'm not sure why you'd want to reformat every few months, as you stated. If a computer actually NEEDS it that often, it means it's been used either by a child or a very sloppy adult who installs and uninstalls too many things. It sounds like you don't fit that profile. There are routines that are shared between applications but which require different versions. It's called "DLL Hell". Good article: http://www.developerfusion.com/show/1719/9/ |
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:06:46 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: http://www.symantec.com/sabu/ghost/ghost_personal/ http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/ Thanks for that. I'm not sure why you'd want to reformat every few months, as you stated. If a computer actually NEEDS it that often, it means it's been used either by a child or a very sloppy adult who installs and uninstalls too many things. It sounds like you don't fit that profile. I have a number of friends who keep asking me for help, not that I know much about Windows, since I first wrote Fortran nearly 40 years ago. They are not computer literate, and they constantly foul up their machines, or their visitors do. Despite that they have run businesses or have been high-powered managers etc, they still sometimes believe that Microsoft sends them emails that need action, and sometimes don't notice that they are trying to close a window with a hand instead of an arrow. |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:06:46 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: http://www.symantec.com/sabu/ghost/ghost_personal/ http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/ Thanks for that. I'm not sure why you'd want to reformat every few months, as you stated. If a computer actually NEEDS it that often, it means it's been used either by a child or a very sloppy adult who installs and uninstalls too many things. It sounds like you don't fit that profile. I have a number of friends who keep asking me for help, not that I know much about Windows, since I first wrote Fortran nearly 40 years ago. They are not computer literate, and they constantly foul up their machines, or their visitors do. Despite that they have run businesses or have been high-powered managers etc, they still sometimes believe that Microsoft sends them emails that need action, and sometimes don't notice that they are trying to close a window with a hand instead of an arrow. I've been through what you've described. You're wasting your time. Morons will always find a way to screw things up. It's an exercise in frustration, especially with Win98. Set these people up with Windows XP, which provides plenty of ways to keep knuckleheads out of trouble, not the least of which is the ability to give one knowledgable person (you, maybe) an admin profile, and all others users a limited profile, so they can do much less damage. If your friends don't want to buy the new operating system, tell them your visits are worth $250 each from now on. :-) |
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