Last day of posting via Microsoft server

"Dan" wrote in message
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Well, I guess this is the last day of posting via the Microsoft
server.

No, it's not. Only certain low-activity groups were being closed at the
end of June. More active groups are being phased out through the
Autumn.

If there was no post in this group from MS specifically stating this
group was closing at the end of the month (on their server), then it
hasn't been scheduled yet.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

"glee" wrote in message
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"Dan" wrote in message
...
Well, I guess this is the last day of posting via the Microsoft
server.

No, it's not. Only certain low-activity groups were being closed at
the end of June. More active groups are being phased out through the
Autumn.

If there was no post in this group from MS specifically stating this
group was closing at the end of the month (on their server), then it
hasn't been scheduled yet.

Oops....I see they did post here on June 29, stating this group would be
closed on July 1.

No matter....it will still be available on other servers.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

"glee" wrote in message
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"Dan" wrote in message
...
Well, I guess this is the last day of posting via the Microsoft
server.

No, it's not. Only certain low-activity groups were being closed at
the end of June. More active groups are being phased out through the
Autumn.

If there was no post in this group from MS specifically stating this
group was closing at the end of the month (on their server), then it
hasn't been scheduled yet.

Oops....I see they did post here on June 29, stating this group would be
closed on July 1.

No matter....it will still be available on other servers.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

Glee,

Which other servers?

Angel

"glee" wrote in message
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: "glee" wrote in message
: ...
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: Well, I guess this is the last day of posting via the Microsoft
: server.
:
: No, it's not. Only certain low-activity groups were being closed at
: the end of June. More active groups are being phased out through the
: Autumn.
:
: If there was no post in this group from MS specifically stating this
: group was closing at the end of the month (on their server), then it
: hasn't been scheduled yet.
:
: Oops....I see they did post here on June 29, stating this group would be
: closed on July 1.
:
: No matter....it will still be available on other servers.
: --
: Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
: A+
: http://dts-l.net/
:

Glee,

Which other servers?

Angel

"glee" wrote in message
...
: "glee" wrote in message
: ...
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: Well, I guess this is the last day of posting via the Microsoft
: server.
:
: No, it's not. Only certain low-activity groups were being closed at
: the end of June. More active groups are being phased out through the
: Autumn.
:
: If there was no post in this group from MS specifically stating this
: group was closing at the end of the month (on their server), then it
: hasn't been scheduled yet.
:
: Oops....I see they did post here on June 29, stating this group would be
: closed on July 1.
:
: No matter....it will still be available on other servers.
: --
: Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
: A+
: http://dts-l.net/
:

Glen, do you happen to know what the real reason was that MS chose to
discontinue the nntp server based newsgroups? Did they consider it too
much maintenance or hassle to maintain, or expense, or what? Surely it
wasn't due to complaints about the nntp based format (which most of us
prefer, methinks).

glee wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message
...
Well, I guess this is the last day of posting via the Microsoft
server.

No, it's not. Only certain low-activity groups were being closed at the
end of June. More active groups are being phased out through the
Autumn.

If there was no post in this group from MS specifically stating this
group was closing at the end of the month (on their server), then it
hasn't been scheduled yet.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

Glen, do you happen to know what the real reason was that MS chose to
discontinue the nntp server based newsgroups? Did they consider it too
much maintenance or hassle to maintain, or expense, or what? Surely it
wasn't due to complaints about the nntp based format (which most of us
prefer, methinks).

glee wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message
...
Well, I guess this is the last day of posting via the Microsoft
server.

No, it's not. Only certain low-activity groups were being closed at the
end of June. More active groups are being phased out through the
Autumn.

If there was no post in this group from MS specifically stating this
group was closing at the end of the month (on their server), then it
hasn't been scheduled yet.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

Here's a couple listed below for Angel, too. :-)

Hughes nntp.aioe.org wrote:
It's fast too. Thanks.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
"L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" top-poasted:

http://www.teranews.com/

Just use nntp.aioe.org.

It's free, and no registration required.

Here's a couple listed below for Angel, too. :-)

Hughes nntp.aioe.org wrote:
It's fast too. Thanks.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
"L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" top-poasted:

http://www.teranews.com/

Just use nntp.aioe.org.

It's free, and no registration required.

"Bill in Co." wrote:

Glen, do you happen to know what the real reason was that MS
chose to discontinue the nntp server based newsgroups?

MVP's and other non-administrative or non-microsoft people will never
know why microsoft does anything.

It's safe to assume that Microsoft wanted to simply end it's peering
relationship with usenet, because that is essentially what is being
accomplished.

Microsoft made the bogus argument about web-based "communities" being
more relavent and useful than the ancient usenet, but Microsoft ALREADY
HAD A WEB-BASED FORUM INTERFACE that people were using instead of NNTP.
Microsoft could have touched nothing and done nothing except put an axe
through the line that connected their web-based forum server to their
NNTP server, but the optics of that would have been obvious, so they
went through this big song and dance of reinventing their forums from
scratch, this time with no linkage to a real nntp server, but still
doing something kludgy and corny like providing a pseudo-NNTP interface.

Again, when you look at the end result, they have effectively ended
their peering relationship with usenet. All else is the same - even if
it looks shiny and new.

Why?

Control. They no longer have to deal with external posts from
unregistered users on all sorts of topics that are unpalatible to them.
Language, politics, philosophy, microsoft-bashing, microsoft-hacking,
spam, etc.

And as you've noticed, they will not bring back some forums, like Office
97/2k, NT, 2K, win-95/98/me. All the OS's and products that don't
require validation / registration to install and be functional.

And one other reason. Microsoft wants to move to a support model where
people that need help can pay other people to provide it, and those
other people are not necessarily employed by Microsoft. So they are
working on platforms and interfaces that will allow an paid-support
ecosystem to function.

Did they consider it too much maintenance or hassle to maintain,
or expense, or what?

It costs practically nothing to operate a usenet server. Many do it as
a hobby. Even cheaper when your server is only handling a small
fraction of the total number of possible usenet groups.

They seemed to expend no expense at preventing their server from being
used as a spam platform - many or most of the spam that got
simultaneously posted to dozens or hundreds of microsoft.public groups
got posted from their own server.