Win98SE and Comcast Hi Speed Internet (cable)?

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill in Co.
writes:
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Interestingly, when testing out the Internet connection, it seemed the
Ethernet connection was a bit faster than when using the alternate USB2
connection, which you might expect. BUT from what I had read, you
shouldn't be seeing much, if any, noticeable difference. Presumably the
typical Internet cable transfer rates (in Mbps) are still below the max
USB2
transfer speeds, but I don't have the specs on that. I'm on the Economy
Comcast Internet plan (which is only a 1 Mbps max transfer rate, but
which is fine by me, coming from dial-up all these years :-).


Are both ends of your USB2 connection - the device and the port it's
connected to - definitely USB2?
--

Pretty certain! I'm using a PCI USB2 card which I added to my PC some
time ago, and the USB cable then goes to a relatively new Comcast hi speed
modem that has both USB and Ethernet sockets (a nice feature, I might add,
because you can use either one or even both (to two separate computers
simultaneously).

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What I don't quite understand is why ICS (Internet Connection Sharing)
seemed to get installed (or at least part of it did). ICS showed up in
Device Manager (under Network or Modem - can't recall).

But I'm not sharing that computer with anyone else (I am not connected to a
network to any other computers here), so go figure. Hmmm, maybe just
plugging in an Ethernet card means ICS should be installed by default (just
in case, for that possibility?).

When I tried installing the Ethernet Card, I had some residual yellow
exclamation point issues there (in reference to some ICS driver issues
relating to NDIS or NDIS2 that I couldn't really resolve), but it at least
worked ok).

Can somebody shed some light on this one issue? (This was in reference to
adding a hi-speed cable internet connection in Win98SE (and still keeping
dial-up as a fallback):

After setting up the hi-speed internet connection (via either USB or
Ethernet),
I don't understand why ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) seemed to get
installed too (or at least part of it did) in Device Manager. ICS showed
up in
Device Manager (under Network or Modem, can't recall which, but I think it
was under Network). But I'm NOT sharing my computer with any other one (I
am NOT connected to a network to any other computers here), so why would ICS
need to be installed (in Win98SE)?

Maybe just plugging in an Ethernet card means ICS should be installed by
default (just in case, for the possibility of networking other computers)??

BTW, when I tried installing the Ethernet Card, I had some residual yellow
exclamation point issues there (in reference to some ICS driver issues
relating to NDIS or NDIS2 that I couldn't really resolve), but, at least
it worked ok).

Can somebody shed some light on this one issue? (This was in reference to
adding a hi-speed cable internet connection in Win98SE (and still keeping
dial-up as a fallback):

After setting up the hi-speed internet connection (via either USB or
Ethernet),
I don't understand why ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) seemed to get
installed too (or at least part of it did) in Device Manager. ICS showed
up in
Device Manager (under Network or Modem, can't recall which, but I think it
was under Network). But I'm NOT sharing my computer with any other one (I
am NOT connected to a network to any other computers here), so why would ICS
need to be installed (in Win98SE)?

Maybe just plugging in an Ethernet card means ICS should be installed by
default (just in case, for the possibility of networking other computers)??

BTW, when I tried installing the Ethernet Card, I had some residual yellow
exclamation point issues there (in reference to some ICS driver issues
relating to NDIS or NDIS2 that I couldn't really resolve), but, at least
it worked ok).

Bill in Co. wrote:
Can somebody shed some light on this one issue? (This was in
reference to adding a hi-speed cable internet connection in Win98SE
(and still keeping dial-up as a fallback):

After setting up the hi-speed internet connection (via either USB or
Ethernet),
I don't understand why ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) seemed to get
installed too (or at least part of it did) in Device Manager. ICS
showed up in
Device Manager (under Network or Modem, can't recall which, but I
think it was under Network). But I'm NOT sharing my computer with
any other one (I am NOT connected to a network to any other computers
here), so why would ICS need to be installed (in Win98SE)?

Maybe just plugging in an Ethernet card means ICS should be installed
by default (just in case, for the possibility of networking other
computers)??


You could be right with that guess that somehow ICS got turn on due to
the install of that ethernet card. I don't really know. Do you recall
the Internet Connection Sharing wizard running? Mine is
unchecked/disabled -- but I can't recall whether the machine came that
way. It's controllable at...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/234815
Description of Internet Connection Sharing
.........Quote................
You can enable Internet Connection Sharing by using the Add/Remove
Programs tool in Windows 98 Second Edition or Windows Me:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel,
and then double-click Add/Remove Programs.
2. On the Windows Setup tab, double-click Internet Tools.
3. Click to select the Internet Connection Sharing check box,
and then click OK.
4. Click OK, and then follow the instructions on the screen to
run the Internet Connection Sharing wizard.
........EOQ......................

BTW, when I tried installing the Ethernet Card, I had some residual
yellow exclamation point issues there (in reference to some ICS
driver issues relating to NDIS or NDIS2 that I couldn't really
resolve), but, at least
it worked ok).

Next time -- if we're still here -- post the error showing at...
''MSInfo32, Components, Problem Devices''
.... not that I'd be the one to solve it necessarily.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Bill in Co. wrote:
Can somebody shed some light on this one issue? (This was in
reference to adding a hi-speed cable internet connection in Win98SE
(and still keeping dial-up as a fallback):

After setting up the hi-speed internet connection (via either USB or
Ethernet),
I don't understand why ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) seemed to get
installed too (or at least part of it did) in Device Manager. ICS
showed up in
Device Manager (under Network or Modem, can't recall which, but I
think it was under Network). But I'm NOT sharing my computer with
any other one (I am NOT connected to a network to any other computers
here), so why would ICS need to be installed (in Win98SE)?

Maybe just plugging in an Ethernet card means ICS should be installed
by default (just in case, for the possibility of networking other
computers)??


You could be right with that guess that somehow ICS got turn on due to
the install of that ethernet card. I don't really know. Do you recall
the Internet Connection Sharing wizard running? Mine is
unchecked/disabled -- but I can't recall whether the machine came that
way. It's controllable at...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/234815
Description of Internet Connection Sharing
.........Quote................
You can enable Internet Connection Sharing by using the Add/Remove
Programs tool in Windows 98 Second Edition or Windows Me:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel,
and then double-click Add/Remove Programs.
2. On the Windows Setup tab, double-click Internet Tools.
3. Click to select the Internet Connection Sharing check box,
and then click OK.
4. Click OK, and then follow the instructions on the screen to
run the Internet Connection Sharing wizard.
........EOQ......................

BTW, when I tried installing the Ethernet Card, I had some residual
yellow exclamation point issues there (in reference to some ICS
driver issues relating to NDIS or NDIS2 that I couldn't really
resolve), but, at least
it worked ok).

Next time -- if we're still here -- post the error showing at...
''MSInfo32, Components, Problem Devices''
.... not that I'd be the one to solve it necessarily.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
Can somebody shed some light on this one issue? (This was in
reference to adding a hi-speed cable internet connection in Win98SE
(and still keeping dial-up as a fallback):

After setting up the hi-speed internet connection (via either USB or
Ethernet),
I don't understand why ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) seemed to get
installed too (or at least part of it did) in Device Manager. ICS
showed up in
Device Manager (under Network or Modem, can't recall which, but I
think it was under Network). But I'm NOT sharing my computer with
any other one (I am NOT connected to a network to any other computers
here), so why would ICS need to be installed (in Win98SE)?

Maybe just plugging in an Ethernet card means ICS should be installed
by default (just in case, for the possibility of networking other
computers)??


You could be right with that guess that somehow ICS got turn on due to
the install of that ethernet card. I don't really know. Do you recall
the Internet Connection Sharing wizard running?

No, it never ran.

Mine is unchecked/disabled -- but I can't recall whether the machine came
came that way.

It might be interesting to know. Actually, when I went into Control Panel
and checked it under Add Remove Programs, windows components, it indicated
that nothing there had been installed. But under Device Manager, it showed
an entry. Perhaps it's a ghost entry. :-)

It's controllable at...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/234815
Description of Internet Connection Sharing
........Quote................
You can enable Internet Connection Sharing by using the Add/Remove
Programs tool in Windows 98 Second Edition or Windows Me:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel,
and then double-click Add/Remove Programs.
2. On the Windows Setup tab, double-click Internet Tools.
3. Click to select the Internet Connection Sharing check box,
and then click OK.
4. Click OK, and then follow the instructions on the screen to
run the Internet Connection Sharing wizard.
.......EOQ......................

BTW, when I tried installing the Ethernet Card, I had some residual
yellow exclamation point issues there (in reference to some ICS
driver issues relating to NDIS or NDIS2 that I couldn't really
resolve), but, at least
it worked ok).

Next time -- if we're still here -- post the error showing at...
''MSInfo32, Components, Problem Devices''
... not that I'd be the one to solve it necessarily.

Well, that may be awhile, since I'm back on XP now (finally getting that one
fixed (due to bad power supply!) But TNX. :-)

PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
Can somebody shed some light on this one issue? (This was in
reference to adding a hi-speed cable internet connection in Win98SE
(and still keeping dial-up as a fallback):

After setting up the hi-speed internet connection (via either USB or
Ethernet),
I don't understand why ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) seemed to get
installed too (or at least part of it did) in Device Manager. ICS
showed up in
Device Manager (under Network or Modem, can't recall which, but I
think it was under Network). But I'm NOT sharing my computer with
any other one (I am NOT connected to a network to any other computers
here), so why would ICS need to be installed (in Win98SE)?

Maybe just plugging in an Ethernet card means ICS should be installed
by default (just in case, for the possibility of networking other
computers)??


You could be right with that guess that somehow ICS got turn on due to
the install of that ethernet card. I don't really know. Do you recall
the Internet Connection Sharing wizard running?

No, it never ran.

Mine is unchecked/disabled -- but I can't recall whether the machine came
came that way.

It might be interesting to know. Actually, when I went into Control Panel
and checked it under Add Remove Programs, windows components, it indicated
that nothing there had been installed. But under Device Manager, it showed
an entry. Perhaps it's a ghost entry. :-)

It's controllable at...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/234815
Description of Internet Connection Sharing
........Quote................
You can enable Internet Connection Sharing by using the Add/Remove
Programs tool in Windows 98 Second Edition or Windows Me:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel,
and then double-click Add/Remove Programs.
2. On the Windows Setup tab, double-click Internet Tools.
3. Click to select the Internet Connection Sharing check box,
and then click OK.
4. Click OK, and then follow the instructions on the screen to
run the Internet Connection Sharing wizard.
.......EOQ......................

BTW, when I tried installing the Ethernet Card, I had some residual
yellow exclamation point issues there (in reference to some ICS
driver issues relating to NDIS or NDIS2 that I couldn't really
resolve), but, at least
it worked ok).

Next time -- if we're still here -- post the error showing at...
''MSInfo32, Components, Problem Devices''
... not that I'd be the one to solve it necessarily.

Well, that may be awhile, since I'm back on XP now (finally getting that one
fixed (due to bad power supply!) But TNX. :-)

Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
Can somebody shed some light on this one issue? (This was in
reference to adding a hi-speed cable internet connection in Win98SE
(and still keeping dial-up as a fallback):

After setting up the hi-speed internet connection (via either USB or
Ethernet),
I don't understand why ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) seemed to
get installed too (or at least part of it did) in Device Manager.
ICS showed up in
Device Manager (under Network or Modem, can't recall which, but I
think it was under Network). But I'm NOT sharing my computer with
any other one (I am NOT connected to a network to any other
computers here), so why would ICS need to be installed (in Win98SE)?

Maybe just plugging in an Ethernet card means ICS should be
installed by default (just in case, for the possibility of
networking other computers)??


You could be right with that guess that somehow ICS got turn on due
to the install of that ethernet card. I don't really know. Do you
recall the Internet Connection Sharing wizard running?

No, it never ran.


I suppose it wouldn't have to be, but that took your choice in the
matter away.

Mine is unchecked/disabled -- but I can't recall whether the machine
came came that way.

It might be interesting to know.

It sounds like something I might have disabled for safety or for simply
deciding I'd never use it. I know I've done things in that Add/Remove,
Windows Components requestor. But chances are equally good this already
was disabled to begin with. But I haven't a prayer of remembering it! It
was Compaq that originally did the install.

Actually, when I went into Control
Panel and checked it under Add Remove Programs, windows components,
it indicated that nothing there had been installed.

The ethernet install I guess failed to notify that interface of the
install.

But under
Device Manager, it showed an entry. Perhaps it's a ghost entry. :-)


I have nothing in Device Manager at Modem, Network Adapters, or anywhere
showing ICS. But -- who knows -- you may need it there having installed
your ethernet card. If there is such a thing, this may even be a
modified ICS peculiar to that card. I guess -- if you're sure you'll
never use it & that card doesn't itself need it-- you may attempt to
remove it. But I don't want it on my head. Ensure you can reverse
whatever you do.

It's controllable at...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/234815
Description of Internet Connection Sharing
........Quote................
You can enable Internet Connection Sharing by using the Add/Remove
Programs tool in Windows 98 Second Edition or Windows Me:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel,
and then double-click Add/Remove Programs.
2. On the Windows Setup tab, double-click Internet Tools.
3. Click to select the Internet Connection Sharing check box,
and then click OK.
4. Click OK, and then follow the instructions on the screen to
run the Internet Connection Sharing wizard.
.......EOQ......................

BTW, when I tried installing the Ethernet Card, I had some residual
yellow exclamation point issues there (in reference to some ICS
driver issues relating to NDIS or NDIS2 that I couldn't really
resolve), but, at least
it worked ok).

Next time -- if we're still here -- post the error showing at...
''MSInfo32, Components, Problem Devices''
... not that I'd be the one to solve it necessarily.

Well, that may be awhile, since I'm back on XP now (finally getting
that one fixed (due to bad power supply!) But TNX. :-)

YW. I was wondering whether you were right about that power supply,
since an indicator was still lit. Glad you were & it's done.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
Can somebody shed some light on this one issue? (This was in
reference to adding a hi-speed cable internet connection in Win98SE
(and still keeping dial-up as a fallback):

After setting up the hi-speed internet connection (via either USB or
Ethernet),
I don't understand why ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) seemed to
get installed too (or at least part of it did) in Device Manager.
ICS showed up in
Device Manager (under Network or Modem, can't recall which, but I
think it was under Network). But I'm NOT sharing my computer with
any other one (I am NOT connected to a network to any other
computers here), so why would ICS need to be installed (in Win98SE)?

Maybe just plugging in an Ethernet card means ICS should be
installed by default (just in case, for the possibility of
networking other computers)??


You could be right with that guess that somehow ICS got turn on due
to the install of that ethernet card. I don't really know. Do you
recall the Internet Connection Sharing wizard running?

No, it never ran.


I suppose it wouldn't have to be, but that took your choice in the
matter away.

Mine is unchecked/disabled -- but I can't recall whether the machine
came came that way.

It might be interesting to know.

It sounds like something I might have disabled for safety or for simply
deciding I'd never use it. I know I've done things in that Add/Remove,
Windows Components requestor. But chances are equally good this already
was disabled to begin with. But I haven't a prayer of remembering it! It
was Compaq that originally did the install.

Actually, when I went into Control
Panel and checked it under Add Remove Programs, windows components,
it indicated that nothing there had been installed.

The ethernet install I guess failed to notify that interface of the
install.

But under
Device Manager, it showed an entry. Perhaps it's a ghost entry. :-)


I have nothing in Device Manager at Modem, Network Adapters, or anywhere
showing ICS. But -- who knows -- you may need it there having installed
your ethernet card. If there is such a thing, this may even be a
modified ICS peculiar to that card. I guess -- if you're sure you'll
never use it & that card doesn't itself need it-- you may attempt to
remove it. But I don't want it on my head. Ensure you can reverse
whatever you do.

It's controllable at...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/234815
Description of Internet Connection Sharing
........Quote................
You can enable Internet Connection Sharing by using the Add/Remove
Programs tool in Windows 98 Second Edition or Windows Me:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel,
and then double-click Add/Remove Programs.
2. On the Windows Setup tab, double-click Internet Tools.
3. Click to select the Internet Connection Sharing check box,
and then click OK.
4. Click OK, and then follow the instructions on the screen to
run the Internet Connection Sharing wizard.
.......EOQ......................

BTW, when I tried installing the Ethernet Card, I had some residual
yellow exclamation point issues there (in reference to some ICS
driver issues relating to NDIS or NDIS2 that I couldn't really
resolve), but, at least
it worked ok).

Next time -- if we're still here -- post the error showing at...
''MSInfo32, Components, Problem Devices''
... not that I'd be the one to solve it necessarily.

Well, that may be awhile, since I'm back on XP now (finally getting
that one fixed (due to bad power supply!) But TNX. :-)

YW. I was wondering whether you were right about that power supply,
since an indicator was still lit. Glad you were & it's done.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
Can somebody shed some light on this one issue? (This was in
reference to adding a hi-speed cable internet connection in Win98SE
(and still keeping dial-up as a fallback):

After setting up the hi-speed internet connection (via either USB or
Ethernet),
I don't understand why ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) seemed to
get installed too (or at least part of it did) in Device Manager.
ICS showed up in
Device Manager (under Network or Modem, can't recall which, but I
think it was under Network). But I'm NOT sharing my computer with
any other one (I am NOT connected to a network to any other
computers here), so why would ICS need to be installed (in Win98SE)?

Maybe just plugging in an Ethernet card means ICS should be
installed by default (just in case, for the possibility of
networking other computers)??


You could be right with that guess that somehow ICS got turn on due
to the install of that ethernet card. I don't really know. Do you
recall the Internet Connection Sharing wizard running?

No, it never ran.


I suppose it wouldn't have to be, but that took your choice in the
matter away.

Mine is unchecked/disabled -- but I can't recall whether the machine
came came that way.

It might be interesting to know.

It sounds like something I might have disabled for safety or for simply
deciding I'd never use it. I know I've done things in that Add/Remove,
Windows Components requestor. But chances are equally good this already
was disabled to begin with. But I haven't a prayer of remembering it! It
was Compaq that originally did the install.

Actually, when I went into Control
Panel and checked it under Add Remove Programs, windows components,
it indicated that nothing there had been installed.

The ethernet install I guess failed to notify that interface of the
install.

But under
Device Manager, it showed an entry. Perhaps it's a ghost entry. :-)


I have nothing in Device Manager at Modem, Network Adapters, or anywhere
showing ICS. But -- who knows -- you may need it there having installed
your ethernet card. If there is such a thing, this may even be a
modified ICS peculiar to that card. I guess -- if you're sure you'll
never use it & that card doesn't itself need it-- you may attempt to
remove it. But I don't want it on my head. Ensure you can reverse
whatever you do.

It's controllable at...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/234815
Description of Internet Connection Sharing
........Quote................
You can enable Internet Connection Sharing by using the Add/Remove
Programs tool in Windows 98 Second Edition or Windows Me:

1. Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel,
and then double-click Add/Remove Programs.
2. On the Windows Setup tab, double-click Internet Tools.
3. Click to select the Internet Connection Sharing check box,
and then click OK.
4. Click OK, and then follow the instructions on the screen to
run the Internet Connection Sharing wizard.
.......EOQ......................

BTW, when I tried installing the Ethernet Card, I had some residual
yellow exclamation point issues there (in reference to some ICS
driver issues relating to NDIS or NDIS2 that I couldn't really
resolve), but, at least
it worked ok).

Next time -- if we're still here -- post the error showing at...
''MSInfo32, Components, Problem Devices''
... not that I'd be the one to solve it necessarily.

Well, that may be awhile, since I'm back on XP now (finally getting
that one fixed (due to bad power supply!) But TNX. :-)

YW. I was wondering whether you were right about that power supply,
since an indicator was still lit. Glad you were & it's done.


TNX. :-)
The only thing the computer did when I turned it on was show an amber color
for the power on button. No sounds, no booting, nada. (The fact that it
showed that color meant at least it was plugged in :-) I figured the odds
were in pretty much in favor of a bad power supply, but I was really holding
my breath that it wasn't a bad motherboard; getting any exact replacements
after a few years ... is pretty darn difficult (and probably available only
via eBay). I did do it once before, however, for an older Dell, and it
was pretty lucky that I could find the exact one.

I was reading that there are a few horror stories about some power supplies
in the past, that when they failed, would take out the motherboard along
with them (due to excessive voltages on some rails - now that's BAD!).

This also kinda reminds me of some cases I'd heard of before that when a car
battery died, it could also take out the alternator along with it. Now
THAT is bad!