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Getting NTFS access in DOS of an external USB drive?
Thanks Glen.
It looks like the DiskInternals one ("NTFS Reader for Windows") is more basic, and for read-only (which admitedly is probably all I need), while the Paragon one is a bit more full featured, and allows both read and write access to the NTFS drive. Both are free (although the Paragon one used to be payware). Also, thanks for the info on the SATA adapters. Hopefully I'll get my XP computer back and running so I won't have to go there. :-) (I'm assuming I have a dead power supply there and will replace it shortly (only the amber power button light turns on). But C'est La Vie... glee wrote: The Paragon utility and the Diskinternals utility should both give you the functions you need. You CAN connect a SATA drive to an older computer with no SATA connections, using inexpensive adapters. Example: Kingwin ADP-06 SATA Hard Drive, CD/DVD Drive to IDE/PATA Bridge Adapter Converter. http://www.amazon.com/Kingwin-ADP-06.../dp/B002SZDOM6 "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Addendum: In case anybody is interested, I did find an app that allows NTFS file access within Win98 to allow you to share files, even if the NTFS drive is in an external USB enclosure. It is Paragon's "NTFS for Win98". I mention this in case anybody else here is also using both FAT32 and NTFS (like in WinXP or later), and wants some NTFS access within Win98 to be able to share or transfer some files. As for being able to do this in DOS (with the limitations mentioned below - an external USB drive with NTFS on it), not sure if that is going to be possible, but at least this is an option. :-) Bill in Co. wrote: I'm temporarily back to my Win98SE computer now since the XP one has a problem, but would like (if possible) to access some files on it. I am wondering if there is any way to access my WinXP drive (which is NTFS) inside an external USB enclosure (which I already have), using something like NTFS4DOS or whatever. But I've already tried booting up in NTFS4DOS on a floppy, and it can't access external USB drive enclosures, it seems. I gather it only works if the drive is directly connected inside the computer, which I cannot do. I can't put the XP drive directly inside this computer, as it's a SATA drive, and this Win98 computer only takes IDE drives. It's not the end of the world if I can't do this, but I was just wondering if it is at all possible (as my XP computer is completely dead at the moment). I'm guessing there is a limitation here in trying to use something like NTFS4DOS to access a drive connected to the USB port, and that it isn't even possible. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ |
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Getting NTFS access in DOS of an external USB drive?
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... On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:03:21 -0600, "Bill in Co." wrote: Thanks Glen. It looks like the DiskInternals one ("NTFS Reader for Windows") is more basic, and for read-only (which admitedly is probably all I need), while the Paragon one is a bit more full featured, and allows both read and write access to the NTFS drive. Both are free (although the Paragon one used to be payware). Also, thanks for the info on the SATA adapters. Hopefully I'll get my XP computer back and running so I won't have to go there. :-) (I'm assuming I have a dead power supply there and will replace it shortly (only the amber power button light turns on). But C'est La Vie... A couple more ideas. Install a second hard drive on the Win98 machine and install Windows 2000 dual booted on it. Win2K will read NTFS. I heard that some of those bootable Linux CDs will boot to Linux from the CD and it can read NTFS. I know nothing about Linux, so dont quote me on it, but I have read this more than once. Next time you install XP, format the drive to Fat32. I will not allow NTFS on any of my computers. If I cant access my files from Dos, I wont use it. I saw a friend of mine lose 5 years of work because of NTFS. Something got fouled up with XP and there was no way to access the data. They did not have a repair CD and tried to repair XP with the wrong kind of XP (like used the home edition repair cd on the Pro version, or something like that). They just had a huge mess. I offerred to help them save their files using Dos (before I knew what NTFS was). Could not read the drive. I then tried to plug that drive into my Win98 machine. It was a common IDE drive so it physically connected, but it could not be read. After that, they formatted it and lost everything including all their family photos. I did not use XP until 2008 because I always blamed XP. Then I learned it was the NTFS, not XP. XP runs just as well on a Fat32 drive, as does my dualbooted Win2K on this (win98) computer. Not only that, but I still run some old dos programs that must be booted directly from Dos. You cant do that with NTFS. NTFS is a complete useless format, made for people who dont value their data. If all you do is go on the web and play games, use it. If you store photos or other important data, use Fat32. Just because you don't understand NTFS, and are not aware of the available tools for data recovery from outside the operating system, beside using DOS, does not mean FAT32 is better...it isn't. In fact you are far more likely to LOSE data and have unrecoverable file system errors using FAT/FAT32. The various Linux bootable Live CDs you mention, like the Ubuntu Live CD, will read your hard drive whether it is FAT32 or NTFS, and you can copy and recover files with ease, as long as the drive is physically sound and can be read at all. A drive can also be removed and slaved to another computer, and read. You tried to slave to a Win98 computer....well of course you can't read the NTFS drive there. That's like complaining that you can't find a computer with the right hardware to plug your old MFM or RLL hard drive so you can recover its data, so you will not use new hardware. Try using a computer and OS from the 21st Century to recover the files, instead of trying to recover them using an old Win98 system. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ |
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Getting NTFS access in DOS of an external USB drive?
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... On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:03:21 -0600, "Bill in Co." wrote: Thanks Glen. It looks like the DiskInternals one ("NTFS Reader for Windows") is more basic, and for read-only (which admitedly is probably all I need), while the Paragon one is a bit more full featured, and allows both read and write access to the NTFS drive. Both are free (although the Paragon one used to be payware). Also, thanks for the info on the SATA adapters. Hopefully I'll get my XP computer back and running so I won't have to go there. :-) (I'm assuming I have a dead power supply there and will replace it shortly (only the amber power button light turns on). But C'est La Vie... A couple more ideas. Install a second hard drive on the Win98 machine and install Windows 2000 dual booted on it. Win2K will read NTFS. I heard that some of those bootable Linux CDs will boot to Linux from the CD and it can read NTFS. I know nothing about Linux, so dont quote me on it, but I have read this more than once. Next time you install XP, format the drive to Fat32. I will not allow NTFS on any of my computers. If I cant access my files from Dos, I wont use it. I saw a friend of mine lose 5 years of work because of NTFS. Something got fouled up with XP and there was no way to access the data. They did not have a repair CD and tried to repair XP with the wrong kind of XP (like used the home edition repair cd on the Pro version, or something like that). They just had a huge mess. I offerred to help them save their files using Dos (before I knew what NTFS was). Could not read the drive. I then tried to plug that drive into my Win98 machine. It was a common IDE drive so it physically connected, but it could not be read. After that, they formatted it and lost everything including all their family photos. I did not use XP until 2008 because I always blamed XP. Then I learned it was the NTFS, not XP. XP runs just as well on a Fat32 drive, as does my dualbooted Win2K on this (win98) computer. Not only that, but I still run some old dos programs that must be booted directly from Dos. You cant do that with NTFS. NTFS is a complete useless format, made for people who dont value their data. If all you do is go on the web and play games, use it. If you store photos or other important data, use Fat32. Just because you don't understand NTFS, and are not aware of the available tools for data recovery from outside the operating system, beside using DOS, does not mean FAT32 is better...it isn't. In fact you are far more likely to LOSE data and have unrecoverable file system errors using FAT/FAT32. The various Linux bootable Live CDs you mention, like the Ubuntu Live CD, will read your hard drive whether it is FAT32 or NTFS, and you can copy and recover files with ease, as long as the drive is physically sound and can be read at all. A drive can also be removed and slaved to another computer, and read. You tried to slave to a Win98 computer....well of course you can't read the NTFS drive there. That's like complaining that you can't find a computer with the right hardware to plug your old MFM or RLL hard drive so you can recover its data, so you will not use new hardware. Try using a computer and OS from the 21st Century to recover the files, instead of trying to recover them using an old Win98 system. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ |
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Getting NTFS access in DOS of an external USB drive?
"thanatoid" wrote in message
... wrote in : snip AFA glee's comments of "other tools" to recover NTFS-****ed data, they may well exist but few people know about them. Not to mention the joy of going through a 400GB or larger single- partition system to get at your lost files. Got a month to spare? snip Data is FAR more likely to be damaged from errors when using the FAT32 files system than when using NTFS. That's one of the things on the plus side for NTFS. As for "tools", if you're trying to recover files from an unbootable NTFS disk, any of the very well known and easy to use Live CDs will allow you to view all the files in a simple file manager and copy whatever you want...no special skills needed. It's no more time-consuming to find files on a 400GB partition than a small one, using a file manager from a Live CD....you will see the same folder tress on the drive as you see in Windows. Are you saying few people know about Knoppix or Ubuntu Live CDs, the Ultimate Boot CD (UBCD) and Ultimate Boot CD for Windows (UBCD4Win), and similar well-known discs? You're wrong. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ |
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Getting NTFS access in DOS of an external USB drive?
"thanatoid" wrote in message
... wrote in : snip AFA glee's comments of "other tools" to recover NTFS-****ed data, they may well exist but few people know about them. Not to mention the joy of going through a 400GB or larger single- partition system to get at your lost files. Got a month to spare? snip Data is FAR more likely to be damaged from errors when using the FAT32 files system than when using NTFS. That's one of the things on the plus side for NTFS. As for "tools", if you're trying to recover files from an unbootable NTFS disk, any of the very well known and easy to use Live CDs will allow you to view all the files in a simple file manager and copy whatever you want...no special skills needed. It's no more time-consuming to find files on a 400GB partition than a small one, using a file manager from a Live CD....you will see the same folder tress on the drive as you see in Windows. Are you saying few people know about Knoppix or Ubuntu Live CDs, the Ultimate Boot CD (UBCD) and Ultimate Boot CD for Windows (UBCD4Win), and similar well-known discs? You're wrong. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ |
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Getting NTFS access in DOS of an external USB drive?
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: "thanatoid" wrote in message ... wrote in : snip AFA glee's comments of "other tools" to recover NTFS-****ed data, they may well exist but few people know about them. Not to mention the joy of going through a 400GB or larger single- partition system to get at your lost files. Got a month to spare? snip Data is FAR more likely to be damaged from errors when using the FAT32 files system than when using NTFS. That's one of the things on the plus side for NTFS. Well, from what I have read and experienced over 15 years, while it may be absolutely true, it is also largely theoretical. I do not repair/set-up computers for a living (or for fun - I did once for two friends and gave up half-dead after a few days, I suppose you can do it with a lot of tranquilizers and when you charge $50+/hour, but I am NEVER doing it for anyone for free again) but I don't know anyone whose file system (either kind) errors caused data loss. I can't even remember any Usenet posts about how FAT screwed up someone's system. I /have/ personally experienced several dying drives and I have fubared my partitions by playing with tools too advanced for thanatoids, but recovery programs and "testdisk" fixed all that. As for "tools", if you're trying to recover files from an unbootable NTFS disk, any of the very well known and easy to use Live CDs will allow you to view all the files in a simple file manager and copy whatever you want...no special skills needed. It's no more time-consuming to find files on a 400GB partition than a small one, using a file manager from a Live CD....you will see the same folder tress on the drive as you see in Windows. Well, seeing as I have no experience with NTFS and do not even know what a LiveCD is (I do know what Hiren's is), I suppose I should have just kept my mouth shut. Are you saying few people know about Knoppix or Ubuntu Live CDs, the Ultimate Boot CD (UBCD) and Ultimate Boot CD for Windows (UBCD4Win), and similar well-known discs? You're wrong. Pick 20 computer owners (IOW random people from the street) and ask them and you will find out I am right. If someone even KNOWS how to post a question the Usenet, s/he is not an average computer user. You've been hanging around pros for too long. [BTW, I think I forgot to correct my previous post, the MVP used the word 'fiasco', not 'disaster'. Same thing, but I like to be accurate when quoting.] -- Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them. - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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Getting NTFS access in DOS of an external USB drive?
"glee" wrote in
: "thanatoid" wrote in message ... wrote in : snip AFA glee's comments of "other tools" to recover NTFS-****ed data, they may well exist but few people know about them. Not to mention the joy of going through a 400GB or larger single- partition system to get at your lost files. Got a month to spare? snip Data is FAR more likely to be damaged from errors when using the FAT32 files system than when using NTFS. That's one of the things on the plus side for NTFS. Well, from what I have read and experienced over 15 years, while it may be absolutely true, it is also largely theoretical. I do not repair/set-up computers for a living (or for fun - I did once for two friends and gave up half-dead after a few days, I suppose you can do it with a lot of tranquilizers and when you charge $50+/hour, but I am NEVER doing it for anyone for free again) but I don't know anyone whose file system (either kind) errors caused data loss. I can't even remember any Usenet posts about how FAT screwed up someone's system. I /have/ personally experienced several dying drives and I have fubared my partitions by playing with tools too advanced for thanatoids, but recovery programs and "testdisk" fixed all that. As for "tools", if you're trying to recover files from an unbootable NTFS disk, any of the very well known and easy to use Live CDs will allow you to view all the files in a simple file manager and copy whatever you want...no special skills needed. It's no more time-consuming to find files on a 400GB partition than a small one, using a file manager from a Live CD....you will see the same folder tress on the drive as you see in Windows. Well, seeing as I have no experience with NTFS and do not even know what a LiveCD is (I do know what Hiren's is), I suppose I should have just kept my mouth shut. Are you saying few people know about Knoppix or Ubuntu Live CDs, the Ultimate Boot CD (UBCD) and Ultimate Boot CD for Windows (UBCD4Win), and similar well-known discs? You're wrong. Pick 20 computer owners (IOW random people from the street) and ask them and you will find out I am right. If someone even KNOWS how to post a question the Usenet, s/he is not an average computer user. You've been hanging around pros for too long. [BTW, I think I forgot to correct my previous post, the MVP used the word 'fiasco', not 'disaster'. Same thing, but I like to be accurate when quoting.] -- Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them. - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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Getting NTFS access in DOS of an external USB drive?
thanatoid wrote:
Well, seeing as I have no experience with NTFS and do not even know what a LiveCD is (I do know what Hiren's is), I suppose I should have just kept my mouth shut. A Live CD is a bootable CD that allows you to run a Linux variant while keeping your "real" OS intact and untouched. It lets you see how the other half lives while doing no damage to your machine. In this case, it would run an OS that can access the disk you're trying to read. -- Tim Slattery http://members.cox.net/slatteryt |
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Getting NTFS access in DOS of an external USB drive?
thanatoid wrote:
Well, seeing as I have no experience with NTFS and do not even know what a LiveCD is (I do know what Hiren's is), I suppose I should have just kept my mouth shut. A Live CD is a bootable CD that allows you to run a Linux variant while keeping your "real" OS intact and untouched. It lets you see how the other half lives while doing no damage to your machine. In this case, it would run an OS that can access the disk you're trying to read. -- Tim Slattery http://members.cox.net/slatteryt |
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