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Win98/Win2k networking questions
First of all, I've read through knowledge base article Q258717, as well as a
few other documents and howtos out there. I have a couple of questions for the experts. What I'm doing: I'm trying to arrange File and Printer Sharing between two PCs: a Windows 98SE laptop connected wirelessly to a broadband router, and a Windows 2000 Pro desktop wired to the same router. Both PCs are configured with unique static IPs and both access the internet connection on the other side of the router just fine. They both have TCP/IP and NetBEUI installed. They're both in the same workgroup with unique hostnames. First question: the Win98 laptop is set up in single-user mode. Is it possible to share with Win2kPro in that mode? If so, what is the account username to set up on the Win2k PC? (I assume the password is blank by default.) Second question: am I going to have to configure another user on the Win98 machine anyway to allow the Win2k machine to find its resources, or is it only Win2k that cares so much? I tinkered with it a bit... the best I was able to manage was to get the Win2k PC to acknowledge the existence of the Win98, but it couldn't browse its resources. The Win98 PC could see and browse itself, but couldn't even see the Win2k PC. If someone has the answers to these questions, hopefully that'll guide me a bit. Thanks, David Murphy |
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David Murphy wrote:
First of all, I've read through knowledge base article Q258717, as well as a few other documents and howtos out there. I have a couple of questions for the experts. What I'm doing: I'm trying to arrange File and Printer Sharing between two PCs: a Windows 98SE laptop connected wirelessly to a broadband router, and a Windows 2000 Pro desktop wired to the same router. Both PCs are configured with unique static IPs and both access the internet connection on the other side of the router just fine. They both have TCP/IP and NetBEUI installed. They're both in the same workgroup with unique hostnames. First question: the Win98 laptop is set up in single-user mode. Is it possible to share with Win2kPro in that mode? If so, what is the account username to set up on the Win2k PC? (I assume the password is blank by default.) Second question: am I going to have to configure another user on the Win98 machine anyway to allow the Win2k machine to find its resources, or is it only Win2k that cares so much? I tinkered with it a bit... the best I was able to manage was to get the Win2k PC to acknowledge the existence of the Win98, but it couldn't browse its resources. The Win98 PC could see and browse itself, but couldn't even see the Win2k PC. If someone has the answers to these questions, hopefully that'll guide me a bit. Thanks, David Murphy I have those two networking ok here. The problems most people have are, I think, a result of either (1) not having the identical user/password set up on both, or (2) name service problems (I just went ahead and set up a WINS service using Samba on a Solaris box that sits on my network to serve up files, anyway); that "browse master" stuff will drive you nuts if you let it. The (1) problem will get you denials of access, the (2) problem will keep "Network Neighborhood" and the like from "seeing" peer machines by name. I've got Linux, Solaris, W98SE, and W2K all talking to one another -- sometimes even a Mac joins in. Get the basics right and they're all reasonably compliant with standards, so they _can_ get along. ping is your friend; other than that, you must have some understanding of name services -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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Win98/Win2k networking questions
David Murphy wrote:
First of all, I've read through knowledge base article Q258717, as well as a few other documents and howtos out there. I have a couple of questions for the experts. What I'm doing: I'm trying to arrange File and Printer Sharing between two PCs: a Windows 98SE laptop connected wirelessly to a broadband router, and a Windows 2000 Pro desktop wired to the same router. Both PCs are configured with unique static IPs and both access the internet connection on the other side of the router just fine. They both have TCP/IP and NetBEUI installed. They're both in the same workgroup with unique hostnames. First question: the Win98 laptop is set up in single-user mode. Is it possible to share with Win2kPro in that mode? If so, what is the account username to set up on the Win2k PC? (I assume the password is blank by default.) Second question: am I going to have to configure another user on the Win98 machine anyway to allow the Win2k machine to find its resources, or is it only Win2k that cares so much? I tinkered with it a bit... the best I was able to manage was to get the Win2k PC to acknowledge the existence of the Win98, but it couldn't browse its resources. The Win98 PC could see and browse itself, but couldn't even see the Win2k PC. If someone has the answers to these questions, hopefully that'll guide me a bit. Thanks, David Murphy I have those two networking ok here. The problems most people have are, I think, a result of either (1) not having the identical user/password set up on both, or (2) name service problems (I just went ahead and set up a WINS service using Samba on a Solaris box that sits on my network to serve up files, anyway); that "browse master" stuff will drive you nuts if you let it. The (1) problem will get you denials of access, the (2) problem will keep "Network Neighborhood" and the like from "seeing" peer machines by name. I've got Linux, Solaris, W98SE, and W2K all talking to one another -- sometimes even a Mac joins in. Get the basics right and they're all reasonably compliant with standards, so they _can_ get along. ping is your friend; other than that, you must have some understanding of name services -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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Murphy wrote: First of all, I've read through knowledge base article Q258717, as well as a few other documents and howtos out there. I have a couple of questions for the experts. My sympathies: I think that article is poorly written, confusing, and contains bad information. What I'm doing: I'm trying to arrange File and Printer Sharing between two PCs: a Windows 98SE laptop connected wirelessly to a broadband router, and a Windows 2000 Pro desktop wired to the same router. Both PCs are configured with unique static IPs and both access the internet connection on the other side of the router just fine. They both have TCP/IP and NetBEUI installed. They're both in the same workgroup with unique hostnames. Using more than one protocol can cause networking problems. Un-install NetBEUI from both computers, and use TCP/IP as the only protocol. Nothing in Windows networking requires NetBEUI. First question: the Win98 laptop is set up in single-user mode. Is it possible to share with Win2kPro in that mode? Yes. If so, what is the account username to set up on the Win2k PC? (I assume the password is blank by default.) Don't set up a new user account on Win2k. On Win98, click Start | Log Off, then log on with the same user name and password that you already use on Win2k. I tinkered with it a bit... the best I was able to manage was to get the Win2k PC to acknowledge the existence of the Win98, but it couldn't browse its resources. The Win98 PC could see and browse itself, but couldn't even see the Win2k PC. If someone has the answers to these questions, hopefully that'll guide me a bit. What exactly happened when Win2k tried to browse Win98? If there's a firewall program (Norton, McAfee, ZoneAlarm, PCCillin) on either computer, configure the firewall to allow access on the local area network. Thanks, David Murphy You're welcome. -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking http://mvp.support.microsoft.com Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm |
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Win98/Win2k networking questions
In article , David
Murphy wrote: First of all, I've read through knowledge base article Q258717, as well as a few other documents and howtos out there. I have a couple of questions for the experts. My sympathies: I think that article is poorly written, confusing, and contains bad information. What I'm doing: I'm trying to arrange File and Printer Sharing between two PCs: a Windows 98SE laptop connected wirelessly to a broadband router, and a Windows 2000 Pro desktop wired to the same router. Both PCs are configured with unique static IPs and both access the internet connection on the other side of the router just fine. They both have TCP/IP and NetBEUI installed. They're both in the same workgroup with unique hostnames. Using more than one protocol can cause networking problems. Un-install NetBEUI from both computers, and use TCP/IP as the only protocol. Nothing in Windows networking requires NetBEUI. First question: the Win98 laptop is set up in single-user mode. Is it possible to share with Win2kPro in that mode? Yes. If so, what is the account username to set up on the Win2k PC? (I assume the password is blank by default.) Don't set up a new user account on Win2k. On Win98, click Start | Log Off, then log on with the same user name and password that you already use on Win2k. I tinkered with it a bit... the best I was able to manage was to get the Win2k PC to acknowledge the existence of the Win98, but it couldn't browse its resources. The Win98 PC could see and browse itself, but couldn't even see the Win2k PC. If someone has the answers to these questions, hopefully that'll guide me a bit. What exactly happened when Win2k tried to browse Win98? If there's a firewall program (Norton, McAfee, ZoneAlarm, PCCillin) on either computer, configure the firewall to allow access on the local area network. Thanks, David Murphy You're welcome. -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking http://mvp.support.microsoft.com Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm |
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"Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote:
In article , David Murphy wrote: snip If so, what is the account username to set up on the Win2k PC? (I assume the password is blank by default.) Don't set up a new user account on Win2k. On Win98, click Start | Log Off, then log on with the same user name and password that you already use on Win2k. That makes sense. Another question... I tried installing TweakUI on the laptop to get it to automatically log in when it boots, but shortly thereafter the laptop started spontaneously rebooting while Windows was loading, so I got rid of that. Is that something that can be done manually with registry settings? I tinkered with it a bit... the best I was able to manage was to get the Win2k PC to acknowledge the existence of the Win98, but it couldn't browse its resources. The Win98 PC could see and browse itself, but couldn't even see the Win2k PC. If someone has the answers to these questions, hopefully that'll guide me a bit. What exactly happened when Win2k tried to browse Win98? "\\Laptop is not accessible. The network path was not found." (This was upon double-clicking the laptop's icon in the "Computers Near Me" window) If there's a firewall program (Norton, McAfee, ZoneAlarm, PCCillin) on either computer, configure the firewall to allow access on the local area network. Yeah, I disabled it temporarily on the laptop (as part of the above boot issues), but I was a bit out of sorts last night after having dealt with several unexpected problems, so I missed a few obvious things like pinging the computers from each other. I'll take the info you've given me so far and tinker some more when I get a chance next. Thanks again, David Murphy |
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Win98/Win2k networking questions
"Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote:
In article , David Murphy wrote: snip If so, what is the account username to set up on the Win2k PC? (I assume the password is blank by default.) Don't set up a new user account on Win2k. On Win98, click Start | Log Off, then log on with the same user name and password that you already use on Win2k. That makes sense. Another question... I tried installing TweakUI on the laptop to get it to automatically log in when it boots, but shortly thereafter the laptop started spontaneously rebooting while Windows was loading, so I got rid of that. Is that something that can be done manually with registry settings? I tinkered with it a bit... the best I was able to manage was to get the Win2k PC to acknowledge the existence of the Win98, but it couldn't browse its resources. The Win98 PC could see and browse itself, but couldn't even see the Win2k PC. If someone has the answers to these questions, hopefully that'll guide me a bit. What exactly happened when Win2k tried to browse Win98? "\\Laptop is not accessible. The network path was not found." (This was upon double-clicking the laptop's icon in the "Computers Near Me" window) If there's a firewall program (Norton, McAfee, ZoneAlarm, PCCillin) on either computer, configure the firewall to allow access on the local area network. Yeah, I disabled it temporarily on the laptop (as part of the above boot issues), but I was a bit out of sorts last night after having dealt with several unexpected problems, so I missed a few obvious things like pinging the computers from each other. I'll take the info you've given me so far and tinker some more when I get a chance next. Thanks again, David Murphy |
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David Murphy wrote:
"Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote: In article , David Murphy wrote: snip If so, what is the account username to set up on the Win2k PC? (I assume the password is blank by default.) Don't set up a new user account on Win2k. On Win98, click Start | Log Off, then log on with the same user name and password that you already use on Win2k. That makes sense. Another question... I tried installing TweakUI on the laptop to get it to automatically log in when it boots, but shortly thereafter the laptop started spontaneously rebooting while Windows was loading, so I got rid of that. Is that something that can be done manually with registry settings? I tinkered with it a bit... the best I was able to manage was to get the Win2k PC to acknowledge the existence of the Win98, but it couldn't browse its resources. The Win98 PC could see and browse itself, but couldn't even see the Win2k PC. If someone has the answers to these questions, hopefully that'll guide me a bit. What exactly happened when Win2k tried to browse Win98? "\\Laptop is not accessible. The network path was not found." (This was upon double-clicking the laptop's icon in the "Computers Near Me" window) As Steve suggested, lose the Netbeui. If there's a firewall program (Norton, McAfee, ZoneAlarm, PCCillin) on either computer, configure the firewall to allow access on the local area network. Yeah, I disabled it temporarily on the laptop (as part of the above boot issues), but I was a bit out of sorts last night after having dealt with several unexpected problems, so I missed a few obvious things like pinging the computers from each other. I'll take the info you've given me so far and tinker some more when I get a chance next. Thanks again, David Murphy -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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Win98/Win2k networking questions
David Murphy wrote:
"Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote: In article , David Murphy wrote: snip If so, what is the account username to set up on the Win2k PC? (I assume the password is blank by default.) Don't set up a new user account on Win2k. On Win98, click Start | Log Off, then log on with the same user name and password that you already use on Win2k. That makes sense. Another question... I tried installing TweakUI on the laptop to get it to automatically log in when it boots, but shortly thereafter the laptop started spontaneously rebooting while Windows was loading, so I got rid of that. Is that something that can be done manually with registry settings? I tinkered with it a bit... the best I was able to manage was to get the Win2k PC to acknowledge the existence of the Win98, but it couldn't browse its resources. The Win98 PC could see and browse itself, but couldn't even see the Win2k PC. If someone has the answers to these questions, hopefully that'll guide me a bit. What exactly happened when Win2k tried to browse Win98? "\\Laptop is not accessible. The network path was not found." (This was upon double-clicking the laptop's icon in the "Computers Near Me" window) As Steve suggested, lose the Netbeui. If there's a firewall program (Norton, McAfee, ZoneAlarm, PCCillin) on either computer, configure the firewall to allow access on the local area network. Yeah, I disabled it temporarily on the laptop (as part of the above boot issues), but I was a bit out of sorts last night after having dealt with several unexpected problems, so I missed a few obvious things like pinging the computers from each other. I'll take the info you've given me so far and tinker some more when I get a chance next. Thanks again, David Murphy -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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Win98/Win2k networking questions
Ok, I'm at it again. More info to follow. To recap:
"David Murphy" wrote: What I'm doing: I'm trying to arrange File and Printer Sharing between two PCs: a Windows 98SE laptop connected wirelessly to a broadband router, and a Windows 2000 Pro desktop wired to the same router. Both PCs are configured with unique static IPs and both access the internet connection on the other side of the router just fine. They both have TCP/IP and NetBEUI installed. They're both in the same workgroup with unique hostnames. I've uninstalled NetBEUI from both machines, so TCP/IP is now the only protocol installed. The Win98 username and password exist on the Win2kPro machine. Firewalls are disabled (for now). Laptop: Computer Name: Laptop Workgroup: WORKGROUP IP: 192.168.2.10 (static) Netmask: 255.255.255.0 Gateway/DNS: 192.168.2.1 (router) File and Printer Sharing installed and enabled. Desktop: Computer Name: Desktop Workgroup: WORKGROUP IP: 192.168.2.11 (static) Netmask: 255.255.255.0 Gateway/DNS: 192.168.2.1 (router) File and Printer Sharing installed and enabled. On the laptop (Win98SE) I can: - Ping the desktop - See/browse itself on Network Neighborhood But I cannot: - See the desktop at all in NN On the desktop (Win2kPro) I can: - Ping the laptop - See/browse itself on Computers Near Me - See the laptop on Computers Near Me But I cannot: - Browse the laptop ("\\Laptop is not accessible. The network path was not found.") Now, my router is a Netgear 4-port with Wireless (WGR614 v5). If I open up its interface and look at the Attached Devices, both PCs are listed with their IP and hardware addresses. However, while the desktop's name shows up in the "Device Name" column, the laptop's is missing (shows as double dash, which I assume means null). The laptop's name (in the Identification tab of the Network control, as well as in WinIPCfg) is definitely set, so this may be unrelated, but I thought I'd note it. I think I've reached the end of my own troubleshooting knowledge here. What am I missing? David Murphy |
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