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  #1  
Old August 28th 04, 11:27 PM
Star
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Default New Install of Windows & W-TShooters question

Hello group,
I have a new install of Windows and I have installed all critical updates,
therefore my TS's are not working as I would expect.

My question, I do have the fix that MS-MVP George (Bindar Dundat) has
created.
However, it does not restore the troubleshooters??

I know what will restore them... reinstalling them, via rt. clicking on the
Tshoot.inf file and having my OS CD ready.

I did the above action on a previous fresh install of Windows-98-se after
getting all critial updates.

This is the question;..... If I reinstall my T-shooters via rt. clicking
Tshoot.inf file, *am I not removing the kill-bit in the registry that is
suppose to be protecting me*??

Thanks for clarification.

Star











  #2  
Old August 29th 04, 03:56 AM
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George supplied a workaround to allow you to use the troubleshooters and then
disable them again. This is a workaround for the latest update to IE that broke
them.

Fixing them by installing tshoot.inf only works if the original update that broke
them was installed, but not the later update. Once you install the second update
that breaks the troubleshooters, you must use the temporary
workaround.....right-clickinstall on tshoot.inf no longer fixes it of the second
update was installed. It is the later update that sets a kill bit, not the earlier
update.

My standard blurb on the problem:

There are two different fixes, depending on the Windows updates you have installed.

The original fix for the older update was this:
First, click Start Settings Folder Options View tab, and click to enable "Show
All Files" and click OK.
Click Start Find File or Folders, and search the C:\ drive for a file named
Tshoot.inf...it should be found in the \Windows\Inf folder.
Right-click Tshoot.inf and click Install on the menu that appears.

If the latest cumulative patch for Internet Explorer is installed, there is only a
workaround.
See he
http://home.comcast.net/~bascon58/98Help.htm
and
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/SoftFixes.htm
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Star" wrote in message ...
Hello group,
I have a new install of Windows and I have installed all critical updates,
therefore my TS's are not working as I would expect.

My question, I do have the fix that MS-MVP George (Bindar Dundat) has
created.
However, it does not restore the troubleshooters??

I know what will restore them... reinstalling them, via rt. clicking on the
Tshoot.inf file and having my OS CD ready.

I did the above action on a previous fresh install of Windows-98-se after
getting all critial updates.

This is the question;..... If I reinstall my T-shooters via rt. clicking
Tshoot.inf file, *am I not removing the kill-bit in the registry that is
suppose to be protecting me*??

Thanks for clarification.

Star












  #3  
Old August 29th 04, 04:56 AM
Brian A.
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If you are fully updated right clicking tshoot.inf and choosing install =
will not work to restore the troubleshoot wizard. I'm now beginning to =
think another update is a 3rd cause once again for the loss of the =
tshooter, even killing Georges. I just checked one of my 98SE machines =
which has Georges Tshoot and it does not work as before. Time for a =
little troubleshooting myself to see if I can backtrack and find the =
cause.
IMHO, this looks to be the work of MS pushing XP. If the tshooters are =
gone on 98 systems perhaps then the end user will upgrade to XP and if =
that was to be the case, then MS is just putting another nail in their =
coffin.

--=20
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Star" wrote in message =
...
Hello group,
I have a new install of Windows and I have installed all critical =

updates,
therefore my TS's are not working as I would expect.
=20
My question, I do have the fix that MS-MVP George (Bindar Dundat) has
created.
However, it does not restore the troubleshooters??
=20
I know what will restore them... reinstalling them, via rt. clicking =

on the
Tshoot.inf file and having my OS CD ready.
=20
I did the above action on a previous fresh install of Windows-98-se =

after
getting all critial updates.
=20
This is the question;..... If I reinstall my T-shooters via rt. =

clicking
Tshoot.inf file, *am I not removing the kill-bit in the registry that =

is
suppose to be protecting me*??
=20
Thanks for clarification.
=20
Star
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20

  #4  
Old August 29th 04, 05:21 AM
Star
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Hi Glen,
I just restored my TS's. I've done the fix before, however, I had concerns
and I didn't restore them since current install.

I unzip the T-shooter fix (2) files (1) being readme text and send the file
not readme text to desktop as shortcut, doesn't work, also T-shooters remain
broken in Win-Help.

So... I must go to Tshoot.inf and reinstall, etc... which I've done before.

*The above is what really troubles me, cuz I felt I was undoing the fix
that was suppose to be protecting me.
After, I install Tshoot.inf... indeed the desktop shortcut on works for the
TS's.

BUT... now this even troubles me more, *they also now work again inside
Windows Help*, you know that, right?

That's what has troubled me, so the concept must be to use *only* the TS's
shortcut and I'm safe, am I correct, this is the only assumption that I can
understand?

I hope I'm clear, I was not going to do the fix and just leave them be... am
I correct in my understanding?

Star



"glee" wrote in message
...
George supplied a workaround to allow you to use the troubleshooters and

then
disable them again. This is a workaround for the latest update to IE that

broke
them.

Fixing them by installing tshoot.inf only works if the original update

that broke
them was installed, but not the later update. Once you install the second

update
that breaks the troubleshooters, you must use the temporary
workaround.....right-clickinstall on tshoot.inf no longer fixes it of the

second
update was installed. It is the later update that sets a kill bit, not

the earlier
update.

My standard blurb on the problem:

There are two different fixes, depending on the Windows updates you have

installed.

The original fix for the older update was this:
First, click Start Settings Folder Options View tab, and click to

enable "Show
All Files" and click OK.
Click Start Find File or Folders, and search the C:\ drive for a file

named
Tshoot.inf...it should be found in the \Windows\Inf folder.
Right-click Tshoot.inf and click Install on the menu that appears.

If the latest cumulative patch for Internet Explorer is installed, there

is only a
workaround.
See he
http://home.comcast.net/~bascon58/98Help.htm
and
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/SoftFixes.htm
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Star" wrote in message

...
Hello group,
I have a new install of Windows and I have installed all critical

updates,
therefore my TS's are not working as I would expect.

My question, I do have the fix that MS-MVP George (Bindar Dundat) has
created.
However, it does not restore the troubleshooters??

I know what will restore them... reinstalling them, via rt. clicking on

the
Tshoot.inf file and having my OS CD ready.

I did the above action on a previous fresh install of Windows-98-se

after
getting all critial updates.

This is the question;..... If I reinstall my T-shooters via rt. clicking
Tshoot.inf file, *am I not removing the kill-bit in the registry that

is
suppose to be protecting me*??

Thanks for clarification.

Star














  #5  
Old August 29th 04, 05:48 AM
Star
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Hi Brian,
**I just restored my TS's**. I was reluctant, cuz I'm not sure I really
understand the concept of the fix.
I can apply the fix... it's really the concept that troubles me????

As I just wrote to Glen, w/new install and having *all criticals* you must
first but the shortcut fix on your desktop, next you must actually reinstall
Tshoot.inf, which my feeble brain tells me.... bad action, cuz this action
removes the protective kill-bit in the registry. I'm not quite sure, but I
believe this as being true.

After, you reinstall TS's via your OS CD, W-TS's DO work again inside
W-Help, mine do?

So... I **must not use W-Help to access them**. I should **only my
shortcut** which I have not added to my start menu, correct?

Star

"Brian A." GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake wrote in message
...
If you are fully updated right clicking tshoot.inf and choosing install will
not work to restore the troubleshoot wizard. I'm now beginning to think
another update is a 3rd cause once again for the loss of the tshooter, even
killing Georges. I just checked one of my 98SE machines which has Georges
Tshoot and it does not work as before. Time for a little troubleshooting
myself to see if I can backtrack and find the cause.
IMHO, this looks to be the work of MS pushing XP. If the tshooters are gone
on 98 systems perhaps then the end user will upgrade to XP and if that was
to be the case, then MS is just putting another nail in their coffin.

--
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Star" wrote in message
...
Hello group,
I have a new install of Windows and I have installed all critical updates,
therefore my TS's are not working as I would expect.

My question, I do have the fix that MS-MVP George (Bindar Dundat) has
created.
However, it does not restore the troubleshooters??

I know what will restore them... reinstalling them, via rt. clicking on

the
Tshoot.inf file and having my OS CD ready.

I did the above action on a previous fresh install of Windows-98-se after
getting all critial updates.

This is the question;..... If I reinstall my T-shooters via rt. clicking
Tshoot.inf file, *am I not removing the kill-bit in the registry that is
suppose to be protecting me*??

Thanks for clarification.

Star













  #6  
Old August 29th 04, 03:20 PM
Brian A.
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This is not doubting you but I have reason to believe you do not have =
the 2nd update mentioned installed. The "Windows help wizards" should =
not work thru any of Windows help. GG's workaround app should be the =
only way unless you have removed the kill bit from the registry =
yourself. If you have the 2nd update installed you will have the key =
mentioned below with the kill bit (name/data "value") present in the =
registry.
When GG's app is installed it is what is to be used for the tshoot =
wizards, not Windows Help. I thought he explained it in his text file =
included although now that I check he only mentions clicking the icon to =
run the wizards which may confuse some. Windows help should not be used, =
GG's app is what should be used to run the wizards when installed.

Ok now, after a good nights slumber I have:

Booted another 98SE machine which is fully updated and did not have =
GG's TShoot installed.
Tried the Windows tshoot wizards which failed.
Checked the registry for the ActiveX component kill bit which was =
present at:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX =
Components\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}
Name: Compatibility Flags
Data: 0x00000400 (1024)

Tried to run the Windows help tshoot wizards which failed.
Removed kill bit entry in registry and regain tshoot wizards, merged =
entry back into registry and tshoot wizards fail.
Install GG's tshoot.exe workaround.
Run GG's app and Windows wizards fail.
Run Windows help and wizards fail.
Right click tshoot.inf and install, both GG's app and Windows wizards =
fail.
Reboot.
GG's app now works, wizards successful and Windows help wizards fail.
With GG's app running, check registry entry for kill bit which is =
absent.
Shutdown GG's app, check registry and kill bit entry is present.

All works as should.

Reboot 98SE machine mentioned in last post.
Still no Wizards with either GG's app or Windows help.
Run tshoot.inf install, check wizards which fail.
Reboot, all is working as should. GG's app controls the registry entry =
to remove the kill bit when run and replace when closed.
Running " Windows help wizards" (not GG's) still fail.

I never thought a reboot was required and don't believe I had to do it =
on the first 98SE when I originally installed GG's app, yet it appears =
this is the case now. Stymies me a little but that's how it all went =
down. It now makes me wonder if one has to go thru the re-install of =
tshoot.inf, then install GG's app and reboot at some point to gain =
functionality due to a later update? For now I've done what I'm going =
too as the wizards/GG's app work (or don't) as they should/shouldn't.

BTW, both 98SE machines were updated using the Security update CD and =
finished at the MS Update site. Can't see why but perhaps this method =
has something to do with it. I do have one more 98SE machine available =
to test that does not have GG's app and is fully updated ONLY from the =
MS Update site.=20

Perhaps Glen has some insight on this.=20


--=20
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
  #7  
Old August 29th 04, 07:56 PM
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| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Components\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}
| Name: Compatibility Flags
| Data: 0x00000400 (1024)

Whaaat? Isn't it...?...

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}]
"Compatibility Flags"=dword:00000400

Anyway, my Kill Bit doesn't work anymore, either. Well...

(a) I now install TShoot.inf.
(HELP Troubleshooters still won't work.)
(b) I turn off my kill bit, not yours.
(HELP Troubleshooters do work!)
(c) I turn off the Kill Bit.
(HELP Troubleshooters no longer work.)

After step (a) is done once, it won't have to be done again, looks like,
till the next IE cumulative. I did not have to reboot, but I did do the
Kill Bits with HELP closed. Here is how I turn the Kill Bit on/off, not
with GG's script...

Two separate Windows Update criticals took your Troubleshooters away,
for security reasons.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q188867
Troubleshooting Windows 98 Startup Problems. This article contains a
link to what it says is the equivalent of the Windows Help
Troubleshooters...
http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot
That's it. But, here is how to get them back when offline...

First, "START, Find, F&F, Tshoot.inf"; R-Clk it & select "Install". If
you still don't have the Troubleshooters...

(1) "START, Run, RegEdit"
(2) Navigate to

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}

Compatibility Flags 0x00000400 (1024) Dword value 400

by
(a) Clicking plus signs, beginning with "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
(b) & ending with "ActiveX Compatibility".
(c) Finally, click "{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}" itself in
the left pane.
(d) Now, you see "Compatibility Flags 0x00000400 (1024)" in the right
pane.
(e) "Registry menu, Export Registry file".

This will create a ".reg" file of the entire Key that is open...
all the items in the right pane & all sub-keys in the left pane (if
there is a plus sign). Give it a name & location of your choosing, even
to the Desktop or My Documents. Then, to undo the following, you will be
able to simply click that file, to Merge it's contents back into the
Registry.

Actually-- name that one "NoTrouble.reg". It will look like...

....Start.....
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}]
"Compatibility Flags"=dword:00000400

....End.......

(f) Close RegEdit. You now have an "undo" .reg, named "NoTrouble.reg".
(g) Make a copy of it called "Trouble.reg".
(h) Open "Trouble.reg" in Notepad. Change the "dword" to look as
follows... all zeros...

....Start..of "Trouble.reg"...
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}]
"Compatibility Flags"=dword:00000000

....End.......

CAREFUL: That "HKEY" is one line, with TWO spaces only. One between
"Internet Explorer", & the other between "ActiveX Compatibility". Make
sure it looks that way in Notepad, before you click to Save. Also, you
must have an empty line at bottom.

Now, "Trouble.reg" gives you the Troubleshooters. "NoTrouble.reg" will
give you security by taking them away. Remember to undo it, after you
are done looking at the Troubleshooters.


(2) By default, when a ".reg" is clicked, it will Merge into the
Registry. To alter the default behavior: "START, Settings, Folder
Options, File Types tab". Scroll to & click "Registration Entries",
click the "Edit" button, select "edit" in the window & click the "Set
Default" button. Now, when you click a ".reg" file, it will open in
Notepad for examination. To merge it into the Registry, R-Clk it &
select "Merge".


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Brian A." GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake wrote in message
...
This is not doubting you but I have reason to believe you do not have
the 2nd update mentioned installed. The "Windows help wizards" should
not work thru any of Windows help. GG's workaround app should be the
only way unless you have removed the kill bit from the registry
yourself. If you have the 2nd update installed you will have the key
mentioned below with the kill bit (name/data "value") present in the
registry.
When GG's app is installed it is what is to be used for the tshoot
wizards, not Windows Help. I thought he explained it in his text file
included although now that I check he only mentions clicking the icon to
run the wizards which may confuse some. Windows help should not be used,
GG's app is what should be used to run the wizards when installed.

Ok now, after a good nights slumber I have:

Booted another 98SE machine which is fully updated and did not have
GG's TShoot installed.
Tried the Windows tshoot wizards which failed.
Checked the registry for the ActiveX component kill bit which was
present at:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Components\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}
Name: Compatibility Flags
Data: 0x00000400 (1024)

Tried to run the Windows help tshoot wizards which failed.
Removed kill bit entry in registry and regain tshoot wizards, merged
entry back into registry and tshoot wizards fail.
Install GG's tshoot.exe workaround.
Run GG's app and Windows wizards fail.
Run Windows help and wizards fail.
Right click tshoot.inf and install, both GG's app and Windows wizards
fail.
Reboot.
GG's app now works, wizards successful and Windows help wizards fail.
With GG's app running, check registry entry for kill bit which is
absent.
Shutdown GG's app, check registry and kill bit entry is present.

All works as should.

Reboot 98SE machine mentioned in last post.
Still no Wizards with either GG's app or Windows help.
Run tshoot.inf install, check wizards which fail.
Reboot, all is working as should. GG's app controls the registry entry
to remove the kill bit when run and replace when closed.
Running " Windows help wizards" (not GG's) still fail.

I never thought a reboot was required and don't believe I had to do it
on the first 98SE when I originally installed GG's app, yet it appears
this is the case now. Stymies me a little but that's how it all went
down. It now makes me wonder if one has to go thru the re-install of
tshoot.inf, then install GG's app and reboot at some point to gain
functionality due to a later update? For now I've done what I'm going
too as the wizards/GG's app work (or don't) as they should/shouldn't.

BTW, both 98SE machines were updated using the Security update CD and
finished at the MS Update site. Can't see why but perhaps this method
has something to do with it. I do have one more 98SE machine available
to test that does not have GG's app and is fully updated ONLY from the
MS Update site.

Perhaps Glen has some insight on this.


--
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


  #8  
Old August 29th 04, 08:35 PM
PCR
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| (c) I turn off the Kill Bit.
| (HELP Troubleshooters no longer work.)

ON-- I turn ON the Kill Bit!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"PCR" wrote in message
...
....snip
|
| (a) I now install TShoot.inf.
| (HELP Troubleshooters still won't work.)
| (b) I turn off my kill bit, not yours.
| (HELP Troubleshooters do work!)
| (c) I turn off the Kill Bit.
| (HELP Troubleshooters no longer work.)
|
....snip


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Old August 29th 04, 08:43 PM
Brian A.
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"PCR" wrote in message =
...
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Components\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}
| Name: Compatibility Flags
| Data: 0x00000400 (1024)
=20
Whaaat? Isn't it...?...
=20
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}]
"Compatibility Flags"=3Ddword:00000400


Same thing only I wasn't being technical, I used the column names.

snipped
All else means nothing to me. I use XP, my 98's are only for =
testing/reference and I definitely can't remember the last time I ever =
used the tshooters way back when who knows.
/snipped


--=20
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
  #10  
Old August 29th 04, 08:54 PM
Star
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Brian, Thanks so much for posting back... this issue has troubled me!! Like
I mentioned, I did a complete re-install of Windows sometime back, initially
after the TS's were disabled by Microsoft and I applied the fix. I remember,
I looked and tried W-Help to see if they were available to me, curiosity!!
I noticed they were available, did work!! That's why, I didn't want to
reinstall them via the Tshoot.inf after my new current installation. I
thought, I'm reinstalling them, I'm defeating the purpose of the kill bit.

Pls. see *'s

---- Original Message -----
From: Brian A.
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 7:20 AM
Subject: New Install of Windows & W-TShooters question


This is not doubting you but I have reason to believe you do not have the
2nd update mentioned installed. The "Windows help wizards" should not work
thru any of Windows help.

* OK, you have confirmed, after you reinstall Tshoot.inf.... AND, following
you open W-Help, you have no still have no access to the TS's except first
page, am I correct?

GG's workaround app should be the only way unless you have removed the kill
bit from the registry yourself. If you have the 2nd update installed you
will have the key mentioned below with the kill bit (name/data "value")
present in the registry.
When GG's app is installed it is what is to be used for the tshoot wizards,
not Windows Help. I thought he explained it in his text file included
although now that I check he only mentions clicking the icon to run the
wizards which may confuse some. Windows help should not be used, GG's app is
what should be used to run the wizards when installed.

* I have George's fix, placed it in Start menu and it does work... but the
concept didn't make sense to be because they were still available in
W-Help.
* OK, Brian, I just went to W-Update and I scanned my puter... W-Update,
says *there is no new updates for me to get*!!

* There are no updates available at this time ** My HX at W-Update

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Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB867801) Web site
Successful Wednesday, August 11, 2004 Cumulative Security Update for Outlook
Express 6 Service Pack 1 (KB837009) Web site

Ok now, after a good nights slumber I have:

Booted another 98SE machine which is fully updated and did not have GG's
TShoot installed.
Tried the Windows tshoot wizards which failed.
Checked the registry for the ActiveX component kill bit which was present
at:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Components\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}
Name: Compatibility Flags
Data: 0x00000400 (1024)

* Oh,
My path stops at Internet Explorer, don't have ActiveX Components
key/folder. Your giving me the kill bit in above key correct, it's how mine
should look??

* Mine looks like this....
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility...
**NO ActiveX Components key

* I should copy your key for the kill bit and put back into my registry.
Brian I never did anything to the key, didn't delete it.
* TShoot.inf - now that's it's installed, I did it last pm, Brian I NEED to
uninstall the TShoot.inf or fix the kill bit, help me more pls.!!

* TShoot.inf File
[version]
signature="$CHICAGO$"
SetupClass=BASE
LayoutFile=layout.inf, layout1.inf, layout2.inf

[BaseWinOptions]
TShoot.base

[DefaultInstall]
CopyFiles=TShoot.Main.CF, TShoot.INF
AddReg=TShoot.Add.Reg
DelReg=TShoot.Del.Reg

[TShoot.base]
CopyFiles=TShoot.Main.CF, TShoot.INF
AddReg=TShoot.Add.Reg

[Destinationdirs]
TShoot.Main.CF =18 ;Windows\Help Dir
TShoot.INF =17 ;Windows\INF Dir

[TShoot.INF]
tshoot.inf

[TShoot.Del.Reg]
HKLM,"Software\TShoot"

[TShoot.Add.Reg]
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%","FullPa thToResource",0x00020000,"
%18%"

; tshoot.cab has .Script files, tshoot.css style sheet, the hidden
; control page tsctl.htm, and tshoot.ocx
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\SupportF ileList\tshoot_res.cab","F
Extension",,".cab"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\SupportF ileList\tshoot_res.cab","F
Name",,"tshoot_res"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\SupportF ileList\tshoot_res.cab","V
ersion",,"1"

; The trouble shooter list files are named xxx.cab. They have the result
page,
; the frame page, the hti file and the dsz file.
;
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\RAS","FExtensio
n",,".cab"
;
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\RAS","FName",,"
RAS"
;
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\RAS","Version",
,"1"


HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98startup","FE
xtension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98startup","FN
ame",,"w98startup"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98startup","Pa
th",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98startup","Ve
rsion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98sound","FExt
ension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98sound","FNam
e",,"w98sound"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98sound","Path
",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98sound","Vers
ion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98print","FExt
ension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98print","FNam
e",,"w98print"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98print","Path
",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98print","Vers
ion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98pcmcia","FEx
tension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98pcmcia","FNa
me",,"w98pcmcia"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98pcmcia","Pat
h",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98pcmcia","Ver
sion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msn","FExten
sion",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msn","FName"
,,"w98msn"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msn","Path",
,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msn","Versio
n",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msdos","FExt
ension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msdos","FNam
e",,"w98msdos"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msdos","Path
",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msdos","Vers
ion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98modem","FExt
ension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98modem","FNam
e",,"w98modem"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98modem","Path
",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98modem","Vers
ion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98memory","FEx
tension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98memory","FNa
me",,"w98memory"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98memory","Pat
h",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98memory","Ver
sion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98lan","FExten
sion",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98lan","FName"
,,"w98lan"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98lan","Path",
,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98lan","Versio
n",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98hw","FExtens
ion",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98hw","FName",
,"w98hw"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98hw","Path",,
"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98hw","Version
",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98drivespace",
"FExtension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98drivespace",
"FName",,"w98drivespace"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98drivespace",
"Path",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98drivespace",
"Version",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98display","FE
xtension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98display","FN
ame",,"w98display"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98display","Pa
th",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98display","Ve
rsion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98directx","FE
xtension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98directx","FN
ame",,"w98directx"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98directx","Pa
th",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98directx","Ve
rsion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98ics","FExten
sion",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98ics","FName"
,,"w98ics"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98ics","Path",
,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98ics","Versio
n",,"1"

HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMvideo","FExte
nsion",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMvideo","FName
",,"NMvideo"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMvideo","Path"
,,"%18%\nm3bnts.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMvideo","Versi
on",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMstartup","FEx
tension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMstartup","FNa
me",,"NMstartup"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMstartup","Pat
h",,"%18%\nm3bnts.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMstartup","Ver
sion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMconnect","FEx
tension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMconnect","FNa
me",,"NMconnect"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMconnect","Pat
h",,"%18%\nm3bnts.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMconnect","Ver
sion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMaudio","FExte
nsion",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMaudio","FName
",,"NMaudio"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMaudio","Path"
,,"%18%\nm3bnts.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMaudio","Versi
on",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMappshare","FE
xtension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMappshare","FN
ame",,"NMappshare"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMappshare","Pa
th",,"%18%\nm3bnts.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMappshare","Ve
rsion",,"1"

HKLM,Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run once,"Reg",,"%11%\regsvr32
/s %18%\TShoot.ocx"


[TShoot.Main.CF]
TSHOOT.ocx
tshoot98.chm
nm3bnts.chm
bnts.dll

[Strings]
TShoot_Desc = "Microsoft Local Troubleshooter"
TShoot_DirName = "TShoot"

Thank you, Star

Tried to run the Windows help tshoot wizards which failed.
Removed kill bit entry in registry and regain tshoot wizards, merged entry
back into registry and tshoot wizards fail.
Install GG's tshoot.exe workaround.
Run GG's app and Windows wizards fail.
Run Windows help and wizards fail.
Right click tshoot.inf and install, both GG's app and Windows wizards fail.
Reboot.
GG's app now works, wizards successful and Windows help wizards fail.
With GG's app running, check registry entry for kill bit which is absent.
Shutdown GG's app, check registry and kill bit entry is present.

All works as should.

Reboot 98SE machine mentioned in last post.
Still no Wizards with either GG's app or Windows help.
Run tshoot.inf install, check wizards which fail.
Reboot, all is working as should. GG's app controls the registry entry to
remove the kill bit when run and replace when closed.
Running " Windows help wizards" (not GG's) still fail.

I never thought a reboot was required and don't believe I had to do it on
the first 98SE when I originally installed GG's app, yet it appears this is
the case now. Stymies me a little but that's how it all went down. It now
makes me wonder if one has to go thru the re-install of tshoot.inf, then
install GG's app and reboot at some point to gain functionality due to a
later update? For now I've done what I'm going too as the wizards/GG's app
work (or don't) as they should/shouldn't.

BTW, both 98SE machines were updated using the Security update CD and
finished at the MS Update site. Can't see why but perhaps this method has
something to do with it. I do have one more 98SE machine available to test
that does not have GG's app and is fully updated ONLY from the MS Update
site.

Perhaps Glen has some insight on this.


--
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
"Brian A." GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake wrote in message
...
This is not doubting you but I have reason to believe you do not have the
2nd update mentioned installed. The "Windows help wizards" should not work
thru any of Windows help. GG's workaround app should be the only way unless
you have removed the kill bit from the registry yourself. If you have the
2nd update installed you will have the key mentioned below with the kill bit
(name/data "value") present in the registry.
When GG's app is installed it is what is to be used for the tshoot wizards,
not Windows Help. I thought he explained it in his text file included
although now that I check he only mentions clicking the icon to run the
wizards which may confuse some. Windows help should not be used, GG's app is
what should be used to run the wizards when installed.

Ok now, after a good nights slumber I have:

Booted another 98SE machine which is fully updated and did not have GG's
TShoot installed.
Tried the Windows tshoot wizards which failed.
Checked the registry for the ActiveX component kill bit which was present
at:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Components\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}
Name: Compatibility Flags
Data: 0x00000400 (1024)

Tried to run the Windows help tshoot wizards which failed.
Removed kill bit entry in registry and regain tshoot wizards, merged entry
back into registry and tshoot wizards fail.
Install GG's tshoot.exe workaround.
Run GG's app and Windows wizards fail.
Run Windows help and wizards fail.
Right click tshoot.inf and install, both GG's app and Windows wizards fail.
Reboot.
GG's app now works, wizards successful and Windows help wizards fail.
With GG's app running, check registry entry for kill bit which is absent.
Shutdown GG's app, check registry and kill bit entry is present.

All works as should.

Reboot 98SE machine mentioned in last post.
Still no Wizards with either GG's app or Windows help.
Run tshoot.inf install, check wizards which fail.
Reboot, all is working as should. GG's app controls the registry entry to
remove the kill bit when run and replace when closed.
Running " Windows help wizards" (not GG's) still fail.

I never thought a reboot was required and don't believe I had to do it on
the first 98SE when I originally installed GG's app, yet it appears this is
the case now. Stymies me a little but that's how it all went down. It now
makes me wonder if one has to go thru the re-install of tshoot.inf, then
install GG's app and reboot at some point to gain functionality due to a
later update? For now I've done what I'm going too as the wizards/GG's app
work (or don't) as they should/shouldn't.

BTW, both 98SE machines were updated using the Security update CD and
finished at the MS Update site. Can't see why but perhaps this method has
something to do with it. I do have one more 98SE machine available to test
that does not have GG's app and is fully updated ONLY from the MS Update
site.

Perhaps Glen has some insight on this.


--
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


 




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