Removing MSIE, or using it as A stand alone browserrlike Firefox

Using Via 4-in-1's here with no probs (that's up to and including the
latest
Hyperion, on Win ME and XP and, until a couple of days ago, on 98se and
NT4.0 too, IE6.0sp1 all round except XP of course). What sort of problems
(was reading it as 'Emm undo' problems - and wondering what the hell they
were! Too mundo too list?).

not really:

WE consistently hangs during multiple file deletions and moves(anything
over say 10 files), and

behaviour that I can best described as "totally warped (lack of)
threading", ie: mouse/keyboard hangs during disk operations; my contention
was(/is) that IE6 was writ for NTx which has a threading model, and
ignores 9x which doesn't. Hard to say that considering it wasn't a
widespread problem, though.


Oh, right. I remember you mentioning the threading thing though I forget
what prompted it.



Rick

Hmm, I *was* using several FAT-16 partitions at the time (as well as
FAT-32's), maybe IE6 couldn't be arsed to handle those properly... "oopsy
we forgot to put that stuff in for this rev, guess you'll have to upgrade;
so sorry..."

As you say 'hmm'. The NT4.0 was on FAT16 (of course - had to use the
Sys-internals FAT32 driver to read the other partitions), as was Win 98se
when booting both from the same. Not that I had Win 98 booting from FAT16
for long, but didn't experience problems in that time.

Shane

Shane wrote:

Oh, right. I remember you mentioning the threading thing though I forget
what prompted it.

Rick

Hmm, I *was* using several FAT-16 partitions at the time (as well as
FAT-32's), maybe IE6 couldn't be arsed to handle those properly... "oopsy
we forgot to put that stuff in for this rev, guess you'll have to upgrade;
so sorry..."


As you say 'hmm'. The NT4.0 was on FAT16 (of course - had to use the
Sys-internals FAT32 driver to read the other partitions), as was Win 98se
when booting both from the same. Not that I had Win 98 booting from FAT16
for long, but didn't experience problems in that time.

dang, almost got to solve the problem and blame Microsoft.

hmm (again) maybe updated FAT16 was writ for NTx (as I postied) and
translating back into 9x not too good... not too good, doesn't explain
98 working.


shrug

Rick

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If you remove those you will also be removing some useful features
like QuickLaunch and FolderView

Can replace QuickLaunch with fastLauncher OR Freelaunch Bar

Irfan View to replace Folder View -- Also has view as slide folder

What other feature/functionality will i loose if i completely remove ie


I am now also considering Lite Step or Aston Shell as a replacement for the
explorer shell.

Is there 98 lite or ieradicator forum.

"Shane" wrote in
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I think it's all relative - that you don't need to do it for security
purposes if you practice Safe Hex, and as far as speed goes, if it
bothers me that much I'll look at faster hardware as a solution. Even
with today's blistering performance folk'll be wanting to speed the
system up by hacking the OS, though once upon a time a system fifty
times slower was good enough for them


Untill another exploit is found that only requires you to go to a website
to be surrepticiously injected with bad code.

derbby wrote:
"Shane" wrote in
:

I think it's all relative - that you don't need to do it for security
purposes if you practice Safe Hex, and as far as speed goes, if it
bothers me that much I'll look at faster hardware as a solution. Even
with today's blistering performance folk'll be wanting to speed the
system up by hacking the OS, though once upon a time a system fifty
times slower was good enough for them


Untill another exploit is found that only requires you to go to a
website to be surrepticiously injected with bad code.

Disable Scripting and Install On Demand for the Internet Zone, smartarse.
And btw you have to do much the same in Firefox.

Shane

"Shane" wrote in
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Disable Scripting and Install On Demand for the Internet Zone, smartarse.
And btw you have to do much the same in Firefox.



IN Internet options/internet zone/Security

All active X disabled
Java disabled
Acess data sources across domains disabled
installation if desktop items disabled
launching programs and files in an Iframe disabled
Navigate subframes across domains -disabled
Software channel permissions disabled
userdata persistence disabled
All scripts disabled
Java applets -disabled

IN Internet options/ Advanced
enable install on demand disabled

I have also tightened up the all other zones including unhiding the
LocalComputer Zone and hardening it.
even with these options there are many exploits that will by pass these
security measures.

derbby wrote:
"Shane" wrote in
:

Disable Scripting and Install On Demand for the Internet Zone,
smartarse. And btw you have to do much the same in Firefox.



IN Internet options/internet zone/Security

All active X disabled
Java disabled
Acess data sources across domains disabled
installation if desktop items disabled
launching programs and files in an Iframe disabled
Navigate subframes across domains -disabled
Software channel permissions disabled
userdata persistence disabled
All scripts disabled
Java applets -disabled

IN Internet options/ Advanced
enable install on demand disabled

I have also tightened up the all other zones including unhiding the
LocalComputer Zone and hardening it.
even with these options there are many exploits that will by pass
these security measures.

And in Firefox. Meanwhile, IE is too deeply embedded in Win ME to remove and
make sense continuing to use Win ME, rather than continuing to use Win ME
and using an alternative browser without ripping out IE.

Otherwise - IMO - most who worry to this degree are obsessing. I don't know
of anyone who practises Safe Hex who has ever fallen prey to any exploit,
other than, perhaps, those who didn't always think before clicking.

Anyway, just how many unpatched exploits remain in IE?

Shane

"Shane" wrote in
:

Disable Scripting and Install On Demand for the Internet Zone, smartarse.
And btw you have to do much the same in Firefox.


IN Internet options/internet zone/Security

All active X disabled

Java disabled
Acess data sources across domains disabled
installation if desktop items disabled
launching programs and files in an Iframe disabled
Navigate subframes across domains -disabled
Software channel permissions disabled
userdata persistence disabled
All scripts disabled
Java applets -disabled

IN Internet options/ Advanced
enable install on demand disabled

I have also tightened up the all other zones including unhiding the
LocalComputer Zone and hardening it.
even with these options there are many exploits that will by pass
these security measures.