How to move "My Documents" folder back?

On Mar 3, 3:26*pm, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
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,Robert Macy writes:

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Yes! *You are absolutely correct. *What my question concerned was how
to put "My Documents" back up right under, either "My Computer" [or
may have been under "Desktop" ] in the tree

My question has nothing to do with the icons as shown on the Desktop.
But, thank you for the instructions to line up the Desktop icons.
Didn't know that was available.

(The grid it puts them on is determined by two settings under display
properties appearance: horizontal icon spacing and vertical.)



Windows Explorer is set up to list details. *I do NOT use icons. *I
thought about renaming the folder shortcut so it appears near the top
in the tree, but did not know it was alright to do so..

Does the folder you have found have the same icon as any other folder
under C:?
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When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about
how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong.
-R. Buckminster Fuller, engineer, designer, and architect (1895-1983)

The icon on the Desktop looks like a partially open folder with papers
slightly poking out, and there is no small arrow indicating this is a
shortcut. rt-clk properties says the icon is a shortcut to C:|My
Documents

The folder in C drive if changed to icons appears the same, small
folder with papers sticking out. And says the MSDOS name is MYDOCU~1

Does not appear to be any change there. Just wrong place on my tree.

Robert

On Mar 3, 3:29*pm, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
In message
,Robert Macy writes:

[]

adding a character in the front, did NOT move the file in the tree?!
Neither ? nor ! changed its position.

This is _very_ odd!

What is the folder's DOS (8.3) name? You can find that under it's
properties - at least, if it's behaving as a normal folder. For example,
"My Programs" will have a DOS filename something like MYPROG~1 (check a
normal folder - but one with a long name or a space in it - to see how
this _should_ work).

Assuming you have Word, did you try changing the file location of user
documents from within it? (Though as I said, I don't know if this moves
the My Documents folder for non-Office purposes.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
**http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htmfor ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about
how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong.
-R. Buckminster Fuller, engineer, designer, and architect (1895-1983)

I actually emptied the folder due to the stupidity of someone to have
Win98 slow down when one actually tries to 'use' this folder.

It contains two empty folders My Pictures and My Music
and miscellaneous files, but not a single .doc file there.

I just keep My Documents around because it is the default download for
almost everything. Download to it, then rename and move to the
appropriate folder.

And, what' with that stupid "My"? Should have been Documents, Music,
Pictures Is there really any new information imparted by adding My,
except to screw things up due to the space

On Mar 3, 3:29*pm, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
In message
,Robert Macy writes:

[]

adding a character in the front, did NOT move the file in the tree?!
Neither ? nor ! changed its position.

This is _very_ odd!

What is the folder's DOS (8.3) name? You can find that under it's
properties - at least, if it's behaving as a normal folder. For example,
"My Programs" will have a DOS filename something like MYPROG~1 (check a
normal folder - but one with a long name or a space in it - to see how
this _should_ work).

Assuming you have Word, did you try changing the file location of user
documents from within it? (Though as I said, I don't know if this moves
the My Documents folder for non-Office purposes.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
**http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htmfor ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about
how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong.
-R. Buckminster Fuller, engineer, designer, and architect (1895-1983)

I actually emptied the folder due to the stupidity of someone to have
Win98 slow down when one actually tries to 'use' this folder.

It contains two empty folders My Pictures and My Music
and miscellaneous files, but not a single .doc file there.

I just keep My Documents around because it is the default download for
almost everything. Download to it, then rename and move to the
appropriate folder.

And, what' with that stupid "My"? Should have been Documents, Music,
Pictures Is there really any new information imparted by adding My,
except to screw things up due to the space

On 03/03/2010 07:22 PM, Robert Macy wrote:
On Mar 3, 3:29 pm, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
In message
,Robert Macy writes:

[]

adding a character in the front, did NOT move the file in the tree?!
Neither ? nor ! changed its position.

This is _very_ odd!

What is the folder's DOS (8.3) name? You can find that under it's
properties - at least, if it's behaving as a normal folder. For example,
"My Programs" will have a DOS filename something like MYPROG~1 (check a
normal folder - but one with a long name or a space in it - to see how
this _should_ work).

Assuming you have Word, did you try changing the file location of user
documents from within it? (Though as I said, I don't know if this moves
the My Documents folder for non-Office purposes.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
**http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htmfor ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about
how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong.
-R. Buckminster Fuller, engineer, designer, and architect (1895-1983)

I actually emptied the folder due to the stupidity of someone to have
Win98 slow down when one actually tries to 'use' this folder.

It contains two empty folders My Pictures and My Music
and miscellaneous files, but not a single .doc file there.

I just keep My Documents around because it is the default download for
almost everything. Download to it, then rename and move to the
appropriate folder.

And, what' with that stupid "My"? Should have been Documents, Music,
Pictures Is there really any new information imparted by adding My,
except to screw things up due to the space

Did you check:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Explorer
ShellState

The "default" is:
1C 00 00 00 A7 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00
0A 00 00 00
{watch out for the wrapped line}

If you changed or added extra explorer columns, changed the menu, or
held the Ctrl down [purposely or accidentally] while closing Explorer,
the values are saved.
You can TRY holding the control key again and clicking the close X,
sometimes that clears the issue while leaving your other modifications
intact, if not try the default and then reset/tweak Explorer to what you
had. NOTE: your registry line will likely NOT look like the default, and
certainly won't after you re-tweak it.

I know there were other addressable angles on this problem, but... ah,
what was I talking about... oh yeah, check your folder settings too.
Sometimes a global change [like custom to other] and back again will
correct issues similar to this.

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On 03/03/2010 07:22 PM, Robert Macy wrote:
On Mar 3, 3:29 pm, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
In message
,Robert Macy writes:

[]

adding a character in the front, did NOT move the file in the tree?!
Neither ? nor ! changed its position.

This is _very_ odd!

What is the folder's DOS (8.3) name? You can find that under it's
properties - at least, if it's behaving as a normal folder. For example,
"My Programs" will have a DOS filename something like MYPROG~1 (check a
normal folder - but one with a long name or a space in it - to see how
this _should_ work).

Assuming you have Word, did you try changing the file location of user
documents from within it? (Though as I said, I don't know if this moves
the My Documents folder for non-Office purposes.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
**http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htmfor ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about
how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong.
-R. Buckminster Fuller, engineer, designer, and architect (1895-1983)

I actually emptied the folder due to the stupidity of someone to have
Win98 slow down when one actually tries to 'use' this folder.

It contains two empty folders My Pictures and My Music
and miscellaneous files, but not a single .doc file there.

I just keep My Documents around because it is the default download for
almost everything. Download to it, then rename and move to the
appropriate folder.

And, what' with that stupid "My"? Should have been Documents, Music,
Pictures Is there really any new information imparted by adding My,
except to screw things up due to the space

Did you check:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Explorer
ShellState

The "default" is:
1C 00 00 00 A7 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00
0A 00 00 00
{watch out for the wrapped line}

If you changed or added extra explorer columns, changed the menu, or
held the Ctrl down [purposely or accidentally] while closing Explorer,
the values are saved.
You can TRY holding the control key again and clicking the close X,
sometimes that clears the issue while leaving your other modifications
intact, if not try the default and then reset/tweak Explorer to what you
had. NOTE: your registry line will likely NOT look like the default, and
certainly won't after you re-tweak it.

I know there were other addressable angles on this problem, but... ah,
what was I talking about... oh yeah, check your folder settings too.
Sometimes a global change [like custom to other] and back again will
correct issues similar to this.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

"Robert Macy" wrote in message ...
Used to be right up under "My Computer" now noticed it's down under
the C:\ drive
very unhandy to have it there.
How to put it back?
Tried using Windows Explorer, but that doesn't 'move' it.

If the desktop icon is missing, try recreating it.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/217764

Ben

"Robert Macy" wrote in message ...
Used to be right up under "My Computer" now noticed it's down under
the C:\ drive
very unhandy to have it there.
How to put it back?
Tried using Windows Explorer, but that doesn't 'move' it.

If the desktop icon is missing, try recreating it.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/217764

Ben

Sounds like you have a very odd problem. I had thought it had somehow
not become the special My Documents folder, but the fact that it still
has the special icon (open folder with something in it) suggests this is
not the case.

In message
,
Robert Macy writes:
[]
I actually emptied the folder due to the stupidity of someone to have
Win98 slow down when one actually tries to 'use' this folder.

(I assume "designed" is the missing word there?)

It contains two empty folders My Pictures and My Music
and miscellaneous files, but not a single .doc file there.

I just keep My Documents around because it is the default download for
almost everything. Download to it, then rename and move to the
appropriate folder.

When you say almost everything, I assume you mean Microsoft products -
Internet Explorer, and probably Outlook (Express or not); I can't think
of much else that downloads. With Firefox, and I think even with O(E)
and IE, you can specify where they download (or have them ask every
time, which is how I have Firefox and Turnpike set), though MyDocs may
indeed be the default.

And, what' with that stupid "My"? Should have been Documents, Music,
Pictures Is there really any new information imparted by adding My,
except to screw things up due to the space

Of course it should. It's part of some effort to give you a warm fuzzy
feeling about the computer (which I think is still the case into Vista
and beyond; it certainly is in XP). And there's My Computer too of
course.

You can rename most of them.

Other things to try:

Delete and recreate the folder (if it won't let you, do it from DOS,
which I presume you know how to start in) - it will probably recreate it
next Windows.

Move it by the approved method (not sure in '98: in XP it's just in the
properties of the desktop icon, there's a box called Target you can type
into. If it isn't as simple as that in '98, I believe there is still a
way, though) - try using a folder that exists, and one that doesn't.

After that, I'm more or less tapped out: is no-one else reading this
thread who knows?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about
how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong.
-R. Buckminster Fuller, engineer, designer, and architect (1895-1983)

Sounds like you have a very odd problem. I had thought it had somehow
not become the special My Documents folder, but the fact that it still
has the special icon (open folder with something in it) suggests this is
not the case.

In message
,
Robert Macy writes:
[]
I actually emptied the folder due to the stupidity of someone to have
Win98 slow down when one actually tries to 'use' this folder.

(I assume "designed" is the missing word there?)

It contains two empty folders My Pictures and My Music
and miscellaneous files, but not a single .doc file there.

I just keep My Documents around because it is the default download for
almost everything. Download to it, then rename and move to the
appropriate folder.

When you say almost everything, I assume you mean Microsoft products -
Internet Explorer, and probably Outlook (Express or not); I can't think
of much else that downloads. With Firefox, and I think even with O(E)
and IE, you can specify where they download (or have them ask every
time, which is how I have Firefox and Turnpike set), though MyDocs may
indeed be the default.

And, what' with that stupid "My"? Should have been Documents, Music,
Pictures Is there really any new information imparted by adding My,
except to screw things up due to the space

Of course it should. It's part of some effort to give you a warm fuzzy
feeling about the computer (which I think is still the case into Vista
and beyond; it certainly is in XP). And there's My Computer too of
course.

You can rename most of them.

Other things to try:

Delete and recreate the folder (if it won't let you, do it from DOS,
which I presume you know how to start in) - it will probably recreate it
next Windows.

Move it by the approved method (not sure in '98: in XP it's just in the
properties of the desktop icon, there's a box called Target you can type
into. If it isn't as simple as that in '98, I believe there is still a
way, though) - try using a folder that exists, and one that doesn't.

After that, I'm more or less tapped out: is no-one else reading this
thread who knows?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about
how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong.
-R. Buckminster Fuller, engineer, designer, and architect (1895-1983)

Robert Macy wrote:
On Mar 3, 3:26 pm, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
In message

,Robe
rt
Macy writes:

[]

Yes! You are absolutely correct. What my question concerned was how
to put "My Documents" back up right under, either "My Computer" [or
may have been under "Desktop" ] in the tree

OK. I get it now. But I can't help you, then, because mine is just like
yours -- the My Documents pseudo-folder is under C:\ -- in fact, it's
under all the drives. Of all the other pseudo-folders, the only ones I
have under it are Internet Explorer, Network Neighborhood & Recycle Bin.
Are you sure it really ever was higher?

I do dimly recall another complainer like you long ago -- but can't
recall the outcome -- whether it ever got moved up or not. Maybe read
through some of these, & report back with a plan...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...q i=&aql=&oq=
Google finds about 13,300 for "{450D8FBA-AD25-11D0-98A8-0800361B1103}
sortorderindex"

Here is what mine looks like, but I'm loath to experiment on my own...

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{450D8FBA-AD25-11D0-98A8-0800361B1103}
SortOrderIndex 0x00000010 (16) DWord 10

I don't seem to have a SortOrderIndex field for any other pseudo-folder
but that one.

My question has nothing to do with the icons as shown on the
Desktop. But, thank you for the instructions to line up the Desktop
icons. Didn't know that was available.

You are welcome. I actually keep one icon out of the grid with
WinTidy -- but it's far away from the others!

(The grid it puts them on is determined by two settings under display
properties appearance: horizontal icon spacing and vertical.)

That's a horror to play with!

Windows Explorer is set up to list details. I do NOT use icons. I
thought about renaming the folder shortcut so it appears near the
top in the tree, but did not know it was alright to do so..

I see later you discovered that doesn't work for the pseudo-folders,
anyhow.

Does the folder you have found have the same icon as any other folder
under C:?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985
MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
**http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htmfor
ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only
think about
how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution
is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong.
-R. Buckminster Fuller, engineer, designer, and architect (1895-1983)

The icon on the Desktop looks like a partially open folder with papers
slightly poking out, and there is no small arrow indicating this is a
shortcut. rt-clk properties says the icon is a shortcut to C:|My
Documents

That is all normal -- just like mine!

The folder in C drive if changed to icons appears the same, small
folder with papers sticking out. And says the MSDOS name is MYDOCU~1

That's right too.

Does not appear to be any change there. Just wrong place on my tree.

Do the Google search & report back with a plan.

Robert

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