problem running IE 5 on Win98 ??

weird problem with IE 5 running on Win98:

one folder has 2,221 emails, during transfer [copy] to a local folder,
error occurred, tried again, got double copies, and worse, can't now
get rid of those 'extra' copies. don't delete, don't move (get an
error message), can't even delete one at a time, nothing happens ?!

any ideas as to how to purge the contents and refill with 'proper'
emails?

can't delete folder ...has subfolders plus won't delete anyway

Robert Macy wrote in

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weird problem with IE 5 running on Win98:

one folder has 2,221 emails, during transfer [copy] to a
local folder, error occurred, tried again, got double
copies, and worse, can't now get rid of those 'extra'
copies. don't delete, don't move (get an error message),
can't even delete one at a time, nothing happens ?!

any ideas as to how to purge the contents and refill with
'proper' emails?

can't delete folder ...has subfolders plus won't delete
anyway

I haven't used IE for about 10 or 11 years, but it IS possible
that you can get at all that material using a real file viewer
(ie NOT notepad). Edxor is one you could try. It would be a LOT
of manual drudgery, but you could edit/copy/paste sections of
the files and then just save them in groups or individually or
as one huge txt file.

But it's quite likely someone who uses this program will give
you a simple solution.

I must add that I can NOT believe someone is still using IE5, or
IE /at all/, especially someone smart enough to still use 98 and
visit this group occasionally.

Robert Macy wrote:
weird problem with IE 5 running on Win98:

one folder has 2,221 emails, during transfer [copy] to a local folder,
error occurred, tried again, got double copies, and worse, can't now
get rid of those 'extra' copies. don't delete, don't move (get an
error message), can't even delete one at a time, nothing happens ?!

any ideas as to how to purge the contents and refill with 'proper'
emails?

can't delete folder ...has subfolders plus won't delete anyway

The basic solution, I think, lies in you're ultimately being able to delete
that folder and it's subfolders. Maybe it's locked. I dont think I've
come across a folder yet that I can't ultimately delete one way or the
other, but it just may take some doing and tricks of the trade, that's all.
Saying it "won't delete" ... is a bit of "insufficient data".

So - work on the folder's attributes to make sure it's not hidden, and/or
read only, or whatever. OR you can do this task in DOS, using deltree, but
just be careful with that command.

On May 15, 9:28*pm, "Bill in Co"
wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
weird problem with IE 5 running on Win98:

one folder has 2,221 emails, during transfer [copy] to a local folder,
error occurred, tried again, got double copies, and worse, can't now
get rid of those 'extra' copies. *don't delete, don't move (get an
error message), can't even delete one at a time, nothing happens ?!

any ideas as to how to purge the contents and refill with 'proper'
emails?

can't delete folder ...has subfolders plus won't delete anyway

The basic solution, I think, lies in you're ultimately being able to delete
that folder and it's subfolders. * Maybe it's locked. * I dont think I've
come across a folder yet that I can't ultimately delete one way or the
other, but it just may take some doing and tricks of the trade, that's all.
Saying it "won't delete" ... is a bit of "insufficient data".

So - work on the folder's attributes to make sure it's not hidden, and/or
read only, or whatever. * OR you can do this task in DOS, using deltree, but
just be careful with that command.

The folder contains 2,221 emails many with large attachments and
contains four subfolders with 100 to 600 emails each.

When originally moving the contents from the IMAP server to the local
folders for saving, an error occurred somewhere in the middle and
closed the application. Didn't need to but rebooted, and reopen and
try again, caused the same problem at some arbitrary same email. This
repeat action caused double listings of all the emails up to that
email. I went to the server and deleted that single email. Created a
new local folder called FOLDER02 and copied 2,220 emails with no
problem. So task is done, I now have archive storage of everything
for when the ISP ceases.

BUT..because of FOLDER01 having duplicates and only partial total, I
have over 250MB of c*** that will not move, nor delete. I then tried
going to the 'end' of the list in FOLDER01 and started deleting one
email at a time. which worked well until I hit a certain one and then
no more would delete.

Thus, I am again stuck with a stubborn folder.

I tried looking for where these were stored and found something called
FOLDER01.dbx

Would deleting that work? what if the application is counting on the
file being there, when it's not, hangs up and I lose all?

Where do I look for read only type information?

Regards,
Robert

On May 15, 7:48*pm, thanatoid wrote:
Robert Macy wrote
oups.com:

weird problem with IE 5 running on Win98:

one folder has 2,221 emails, during transfer [copy] to a
local folder, error occurred, tried again, got double
copies, and worse, can't now get rid of those 'extra'
copies. *don't delete, don't move (get an error message),
can't even delete one at a time, nothing happens ?!

any ideas as to how to purge the contents and refill with
'proper' emails?

can't delete folder ...has subfolders plus won't delete
anyway

I haven't used IE for about 10 or 11 years, but it IS possible
that you can get at all that material using a real file viewer
(ie NOT notepad). Edxor is one you could try. It would be a LOT
of manual drudgery, but you could edit/copy/paste sections of
the files and then just save them in groups or individually or
as one huge txt file.

But it's quite likely someone who uses this program will give
you a simple solution.

I must add that I can NOT believe someone is still using IE5, or
IE /at all/, especially someone smart enough to still use 98 and
visit this group occasionally.

The decision to use IE5 was based upon (1) it was there, (2) needed a
one shot archive of some 10,000 emails containing approx 700MB of
attachments from an ISP quitting soon, and (3) IE5 worked well until
this last folder!!! In other words, if it had not glitched at the
last there would have been NO problem, I'd be done. ...sigh Up until
now, I don't use IE and after this I will never use IE again, except
the possibility of search for that never published, and now missing,
white paper on deconvolution.

Regards,
Robert

Robert Macy wrote:
On May 15, 9:28 pm, "Bill in Co"
wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
weird problem with IE 5 running on Win98:

one folder has 2,221 emails, during transfer [copy] to a local folder,
error occurred, tried again, got double copies, and worse, can't now
get rid of those 'extra' copies. don't delete, don't move (get an
error message), can't even delete one at a time, nothing happens ?!

any ideas as to how to purge the contents and refill with 'proper'
emails?

can't delete folder ...has subfolders plus won't delete anyway

The basic solution, I think, lies in you're ultimately being able to
delete
that folder and it's subfolders. Maybe it's locked. I dont think I've
come across a folder yet that I can't ultimately delete one way or the
other, but it just may take some doing and tricks of the trade, that's
all.
Saying it "won't delete" ... is a bit of "insufficient data".

So - work on the folder's attributes to make sure it's not hidden, and/or
read only, or whatever. OR you can do this task in DOS, using deltree,
but
just be careful with that command.

The folder contains 2,221 emails many with large attachments and
contains four subfolders with 100 to 600 emails each.

When originally moving the contents from the IMAP server to the local
folders for saving, an error occurred somewhere in the middle and
closed the application. Didn't need to but rebooted, and reopen and
try again, caused the same problem at some arbitrary same email. This
repeat action caused double listings of all the emails up to that
email. I went to the server and deleted that single email. Created a
new local folder called FOLDER02 and copied 2,220 emails with no
problem. So task is done, I now have archive storage of everything
for when the ISP ceases.

BUT..because of FOLDER01 having duplicates and only partial total, I
have over 250MB of c*** that will not move, nor delete. I then tried
going to the 'end' of the list in FOLDER01 and started deleting one
email at a time. which worked well until I hit a certain one and then
no more would delete.

Thus, I am again stuck with a stubborn folder.

I tried looking for where these were stored and found something called
FOLDER01.dbx

Would deleting that work? what if the application is counting on the
file being there, when it's not, hangs up and I lose all?

Where do I look for read only type information?

Regards,
Robert

I'm not familiar with IMAP so I can't help you there. ALL of my emails are
stored locally on my hard drive in one folder.

"Folders.dbx" is the master file which contains the structure and hierarchy
of all the OE subfolders. And normally there is only ONE folders.dbx!

Normally, if you delete "folders.dbx", and then reopen OE, it will be
rebuilt from the other dbx files, in the corresponding OE directory. But
in your case I'm not sure whether or not to recommend it, as it's getting me
a bit confused. :-)

Ultimately you only want ONE folders.dbx and one OE directory for the email
and newsgroups, of course, and I'm not sure how to straighten your situation
out (without taking some chances). (Backups of the OE related stuff would
be a good idea at this point)

To check any folder's attributes, you can right click on them in windows
explorer, and then select Properties, and see it.

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For the record, and dont ask me why, but there were two downloads of
IE5.5. One was about 29 megs (zipped). The other was 85 megs. I
used the smaller one and it did all that was needed. I still have
that install.zip file in my archives. You used to be able to get it
from Microsoft.com but I doubt they still have it.
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I think the larger installer has versions for all (then) available
(Microsoft) OSs in it, or something like that: it sorts out what you
need when you run it. And/or all possible components (IE, OE, etc.),
ditto. IIRR (it's some years since!), it's M$'s punishment for wanting
to save the installer, rather than install online, as they liked you to
do. (When you installed online, it went through the same question and
answer session to figure out what you needed, but only downloaded the
bits it then figured you needed.)
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On 05/15/2011 09:28 PM, Robert Macy wrote:
weird problem with IE 5 running on Win98:

one folder has 2,221 emails, during transfer [copy] to a local folder,
error occurred, tried again, got double copies, and worse, can't now
get rid of those 'extra' copies. don't delete, don't move (get an
error message), can't even delete one at a time, nothing happens ?!

any ideas as to how to purge the contents and refill with 'proper'
emails?

can't delete folder ...has subfolders plus won't delete anyway



Try running scandisk

btw: IE5 is a browser I'm assuming you meant OE5

Robert Macy wrote in news:c20625a2-bf6c-4a38-9b8a-
:

weird problem with IE 5 running on Win98:

one folder has 2,221 emails, during transfer [copy] to a local folder,
error occurred, tried again, got double copies, and worse, can't now
get rid of those 'extra' copies. don't delete, don't move (get an
error message), can't even delete one at a time, nothing happens ?!

any ideas as to how to purge the contents and refill with 'proper'
emails?

can't delete folder ...has subfolders plus won't delete anyway

Is the corrupted directory seperate from the original store of mails, and is
the original store intact? If not, can you fetch all those mails from the
server again, complete with attachments?

If the answer to either of those questions is a definite 'Yes', then try
DOS commands: ATTRIB -S -H -R BaseDir\*.* to eliminate any attributes that
might obstruct you, then DELTREE BaseDir /Y to elminate the whole directory
and all it contains. (Takes a while, if it has to handle lots of file
entries.) If this fails in a Windows DOS box, reboot to real mode DOS to try
it. If that still fails, run Scandisk to fix what is likely some deeper file
corruption.

Don't just focus on the damaged directory either. Double check at each stage
that your most important data stores are intact, better yet, back them up on
a different partition if they're on the same partition as that directory,
before you do Scandisk fixes or mass deletions.

Robert Macy wrote:

Thus, I am again stuck with a stubborn folder.

I tried looking for where these were stored and found something called
FOLDER01.dbx

Since you are dealing with .dbx "folders", be aware that they are not
folders in the usual sense. Nor are the "files" in them discreet,
individual files.

As an example, consider OE's Inbox. The messages in it are stored in a
*file* called "Inbox.dbx" and that file is represented to you as a folder
even though it is a file with all the emails in the "inbox" chained
together...what used to be called a sequential file. In order to see that
data stream, it must be separated into discreet pieces - into email
"files" - and OE does so via info stored elsewhere about the dbx files
structures.

One benefit of this method is that the size of the dbx file is much less
than the sum total of the data (emails) in it if they were discreet files.
If they were individual files, each would require at least one allocation
unit of disk space and an email is generally much smaller than even the
smallest unit.

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