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ms wrote:
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It won't be tough to just create & shrink partitions. Read the
manual, yea. Post your detailed plan. If you want to go over 4
primary partitions per hard drive - read the manual twice!


This is the plan:
Starting with a 13 GB hard drive, retain present OS ("C") within a
new single 2 GB "D" partition, retain existing folders in
remaining 11 GB.

You only have one hard drive in the machine?

Yes. This is a nice W98 machine, and the only thing it needs is a
partition so the OS if it crashes in C, can be clean installed again
without disturbing my data in D.

I hope to proceed to create a partition, but if in the end it gets
too difficult, I will install a second hard drive and go from there.


It's best to make a backup of the current partition(s) in case
something goes wrong. Find a way to do it before you shrink
anything, although the shrinking went well for me.

It would be best to install a second one for full system backups.
If you have it, your 1st step would be to copy the existing
partition to it. And that would go this way (after booting the
BootIt NG floppy & clicking CANCEL)...

(1) Click the "Work with Partitions" icon.
a. Bolt HD0 on left in the Hard Drives list.
b. Select the partition you want to copy in the
Partitions list, & click COPY.
c. Bolt HD1 in the Hard Drives list.
d. Select empty space in the Partitions window at
least equal in size to the partition you are copying,
& click PASTE.

There's a little more detail provided in the manual, p. 24.
Usually, I choose to copy Data Only. (Alternatively, copy the
current hard drive to CD-ROM or DVD-ROM. If you have one, it too
will show up in the Hard Drives list. Multiple CDs may be
necessary. I've long promised, but never did it myself.)

After you've done this, you are safe to shrink the original
partition on HD0 to make room for another. I really think 2 GB is a
tad small for Windows 98, though. I'd prefer to see closer to 3 GB
at a minimum. My own is about 8 GB. Make certain you are not
shrinking the partition to be smaller than its current contents -
although I'd wager Terabyte puts up an error message for that
circumstance.

I save your replies, but for now, I just want to create a partition
on the single hard drive. The dadiOH reply was very helpful to clear
up one point. I will remove all other folders so the only thing on
the hard drive will be W98SE.


That doesn't sound right. I think you've misunderstood dadiOH.
Removing folders WON'T shrink a partition to make room for another.
Let me see an FDISK /Status...

(a) "START button, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt"
(b) FDISK /Status
(c) Use the "MARK" button, outline text with mouse,
& "COPY" button to post the result.

Where do you see the Mark button, the screen I see has no buttons, at
C prompt.

Hmm, I thought they all came that way. But ... R-Clk the Title bar, &
select to activate the Toolbar. Then, the buttons appear. Point at each
in turn for its tooltip pop-up. Alternatively: R-Clk the MS-DOS Prompt
shortcut in the Start menu, Properties, Screen tab, & check the Display
toolbar box.

Anyway, here is my status. So the implication of usage 100%
?

Disk Drv MB Free Usage
1 13037 100%

C 13037

This says the hard drive is full - the is no unallocated space that
FDISK can see. You must shrink the partition in order to fit another
partition, if you want it. DadiOH has reminded me to see how much unused
space is available in C:...

(1) "START button, Run, MSInfo32".
(2) Hold CTRL while clicking each "Available" line.
(3) Use the Edit menu to copy, then post the line(s).


Since I had only one entry, just copied it:
7310 MB of 13024 MB (FAT32)

!00% usage and the above number, Bootit NG ?

I sure appreciate the help as I *always* get the bad sleep, when you are
older, you'll understand.

ms

Here are mine...

Available space on drive C: 6479MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive D: 6639MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive E: 7235MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive F: 7424MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive G: 7508MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive H: 7792MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive I: 5949MB of 6174MB (FAT32)

Here is mine...

C:\FDISK /Status
Disk Drv Mbytes Free Usage
1 19092 8298 57% One hard drive (HD0)
C: 7996 Primary
partition E: 2798
Logical drive

2 38169 100% Another hard drive
(HD1) D: 7996 Primary
partition F: 7996
G: 7996
H: 7996
I: 6187

E: is a logical drive inside an Extended partition on HD0; F:-I: are
inside an Extended on HD1. But a /Status doesn't show
Primary/Extended information. That can be seen another way with
FDISK, but it's possibly a tad more dangerous to do so. BootIt NG
shows it too.

Having already created a BootIt NG floppy disk.

1. Boot with BootIt NG disk, Install screen- Cancel.

Right. BootIt NG now will be running off the floppy.

2. Maintenance Mode screen, select Work with Partitions.

Right.

3 In the Partitions list, select a free-space entry, and then
select Create under Actions.

Always look first to see the desired hard drive is selected in the
Hard Drives list.

4 In the Create dialog box under Partition Information, type the
Name (D) of the partition to be created.

Partition letters will be determined by Windows or DOS during boot.
It depends upon the nature, number & location of partitions on the
hard drive(s)...

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters

Not sure - I think - if you give a partition a name with BootIt NG,
an EMBR will be created. Instead, I R-Clk partitions in Explorer &
give them names in the properties boxes.

5 Select the appropriate File System from the drop-down list.
(F32).

Yea. There is a consequence to drive letters & whether the new
partition will be bootable. Only primary partitions can boot
(natively through BIOS anyhow).

The "existing" partition is, of course, C, and bootable, and will
become the primary. The new partition D will not be bootable.


Then D may be made a logical drive within an Extended partition.

6 Increase or decrease the Size of the new partition (in MB) using
the keyboard or up or down arrows as required.

I can't quite recall how that goes. It may have changed. I wanted
exactly 8 GB but got a somewhat smaller 7.79 GB. You may have to
do a calculation.

I have not done this yet, so are the words correct, is any thing
omitted, etc. Is there a decision that will come up in the process
that I didn't mention?

Data partitions won't ever boot. Therefore, put them into an
Extended partition. Create the Extended partition giving it enough
space to hold the logical drive(s) you intend to put inside. But
Extended partitions also can be resized. You then need to create
the logical drive(s) by selecting the free space listed under the
Extended partition & clicking Create. Or, you can copy other
logical drives or primary partitions into that free space, & the
copy becomes a logical drive within the Extended partition.


The Extended partiton will be, in effect D? All the other space I
intend to include in D. So I create a logical drive as above, then.
?


If you end up with just two partitions, the one that doesn't boot
will be D (whether or not it is a primary partition or a logical
drive within an Extended partition). If you end up with more than
that, you must consider the rules in that article I posted.

In other BootIt NG data, is the Resize function? Since I'm
creating the single NEW partition, I'm not resizing anything?

If your current partition is taking up too much space to fit any
more on its hard drive, you may need to shrink it to fit new
partitions or logical drives on that hard drive.

I don't understand that comment in light of my present hard drive.

Post that FDISK /STATUS for an examination. It will show how much of
the hard drive is used & whether there currently is space for another
partition.


Please comment on the above.

BTW, BootIt NG did install as noted earlier, in a hidden mode. The
only search technique I didn't use was Autorun, but I don't have
the energy to look through 200 entries. Where *did* it install in
windows, and how would you find it, for next time?

It depends whether you chose to install it into your boot partition
or into a partition of its own. I believe it would default to a
partition of its own. I've never done it, but I believe Blanton
that the files would have shown up in the root of C:, if installed
to the boot partition.

When I (incorrectly) installed it, there was no named folder I found
anywhere in windows.

I think everything is OK with that. Whether you installed it into the
Windows partition or it created its own partition to install into -
I'm confident Terabyte got the uninstall correct.



I don't snip earlier stuff in your thread with me as I notice you
don't. I guess it's the only way you can keep track of the situation
in each thread. I think MEB does it for the same reason.


Right. Still, sometimes I find myself clicking earlier posts.

ms

ms wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
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ms wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:

ms wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:


ms wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:

ms wrote:
...snip...

It won't be tough to just create & shrink partitions. Read the
manual, yea. Post your detailed plan. If you want to go over 4
primary partitions per hard drive - read the manual twice!


This is the plan:
Starting with a 13 GB hard drive, retain present OS ("C")
within a new single 2 GB "D" partition, retain existing folders
in remaining 11 GB.

You only have one hard drive in the machine?

Yes. This is a nice W98 machine, and the only thing it needs is a
partition so the OS if it crashes in C, can be clean installed
again without disturbing my data in D.

I hope to proceed to create a partition, but if in the end it gets
too difficult, I will install a second hard drive and go from
there.


It's best to make a backup of the current partition(s) in case
something goes wrong. Find a way to do it before you shrink
anything, although the shrinking went well for me.

It would be best to install a second one for full system backups.
If you have it, your 1st step would be to copy the existing
partition to it. And that would go this way (after booting the
BootIt NG floppy & clicking CANCEL)...

(1) Click the "Work with Partitions" icon.
a. Bolt HD0 on left in the Hard Drives list.
b. Select the partition you want to copy in the
Partitions list, & click COPY.
c. Bolt HD1 in the Hard Drives list.
d. Select empty space in the Partitions window at
least equal in size to the partition you are copying,
& click PASTE.

There's a little more detail provided in the manual, p. 24.
Usually, I choose to copy Data Only. (Alternatively, copy the
current hard drive to CD-ROM or DVD-ROM. If you have one, it too
will show up in the Hard Drives list. Multiple CDs may be
necessary. I've long promised, but never did it myself.)

After you've done this, you are safe to shrink the original
partition on HD0 to make room for another. I really think 2 GB
is a tad small for Windows 98, though. I'd prefer to see closer
to 3 GB at a minimum. My own is about 8 GB. Make certain you are
not shrinking the partition to be smaller than its current
contents - although I'd wager Terabyte puts up an error message
for that circumstance.

I save your replies, but for now, I just want to create a
partition on the single hard drive. The dadiOH reply was very
helpful to clear up one point. I will remove all other folders so
the only thing on the hard drive will be W98SE.


That doesn't sound right. I think you've misunderstood dadiOH.
Removing folders WON'T shrink a partition to make room for another.
Let me see an FDISK /Status...

(a) "START button, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt"
(b) FDISK /Status
(c) Use the "MARK" button, outline text with mouse,
& "COPY" button to post the result.

Where do you see the Mark button, the screen I see has no buttons,
at C prompt.

Hmm, I thought they all came that way. But ... R-Clk the Title bar, &
select to activate the Toolbar. Then, the buttons appear. Point at
each in turn for its tooltip pop-up. Alternatively: R-Clk the MS-DOS
Prompt shortcut in the Start menu, Properties, Screen tab, & check
the Display toolbar box.

Anyway, here is my status. So the implication of usage 100%
?

Disk Drv MB Free Usage
1 13037 100%

C 13037

This says the hard drive is full - the is no unallocated space that
FDISK can see. You must shrink the partition in order to fit another
partition, if you want it. DadiOH has reminded me to see how much
unused space is available in C:...

(1) "START button, Run, MSInfo32".
(2) Hold CTRL while clicking each "Available" line.
(3) Use the Edit menu to copy, then post the line(s).


Since I had only one entry, just copied it:
7310 MB of 13024 MB (FAT32)

This means your Cartition is using 5714 MB or 5.7 GB. That is a poor
candidate to be shrunk to 3 GB - much less the 2 GB you want! By
contrast, my own Cartition is only using 1.5 GB of its available 7.9
GB. Even if I were to move the stuff from other partitions back in - it
doesn't come close to the figure you report! What is it that makes you
so big? (If you've already said, I've forgotten.)

You could temporarily shrink Cartition to say 8 GB. Then, the hard
drive will have 5 GB unallocated, which could be used to create a 2nd
partition on the hard drive. Boot to Windows & move stuff from C: to D:.
Finally, resize the partitions to more near where you want. I think it
best you keep at least 1 GB available within your final C: - & I've
heard some say 2 GB is better.

!00% usage and the above number, Bootit NG ?


FDISK showed the whole hard drive was allocated to Cartition. You can
use BootIt NG to shrink Cartition. (It is C: because it is "the
primary MS-DOS partition on the first physical hard disk" - the article
says. But I believe C: is assigned to the one that is booted, in case
there are multiple possibilities.) Then, BootIt NG could be used to
create a Dartition. (It will be D: because you'll have only two at
this point.) They both then show up in Windows, & you could copy data
from one to the other.

But both partitions must then occasionally be backed up. This is why you
really need to attach a second hard drive. When you do so, it will have
an implication to the drive letters, though...

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters

I sure appreciate the help as I *always* get the bad sleep, when you
are older, you'll understand.


You are welcome.

ms

Here are mine...

Available space on drive C: 6479MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive D: 6639MB of 7979MB (FAT32)

D: is my BootIt NG copy of C:.

Available space on drive E: 7235MB of 7979MB (FAT32)

E: has My Documents, My Downloads, the CABS, & WU (Windows Update
downloads). But all of that adds up to 7979-7235 or 0.7 GB!

Available space on drive F: 7424MB of 7979MB (FAT32)

F: is a backup of E:, except for WU for some unknown reason. (That's the
trouble with multiple partitions - you've got to back them all up
anyhow.)

Available space on drive G: 7508MB of 7979MB (FAT32)

G: is the Outlook Express store & Temporary Internet Files. But these
add up to a mere 7979-7508 = 0.5ish GB!

Available space on drive H: 7792MB of 7979MB (FAT32)

H: holds a backup of the WU folder.

Available space on drive I: 5949MB of 6174MB (FAT32)

I: has a backup of the Outlook Express store. (Someday I've got to
rethink this whole plan - it looks a tad haphazard!)


Here is mine...

C:\FDISK /Status
Disk Drv Mbytes Free Usage
1 19092 8298 57% One hard drive (HD0)
C: 7996 Primary
partition E: 2798
Logical drive

2 38169 100% Another hard drive
(HD1) D: 7996 Primary
partition F: 7996
G: 7996
H: 7996
I: 6187

E: is a logical drive inside an Extended partition on HD0; F:-I:
are inside an Extended on HD1. But a /Status doesn't show
Primary/Extended information. That can be seen another way with
FDISK, but it's possibly a tad more dangerous to do so. BootIt NG
shows it too.

Having already created a BootIt NG floppy disk.

1. Boot with BootIt NG disk, Install screen- Cancel.

Right. BootIt NG now will be running off the floppy.

2. Maintenance Mode screen, select Work with Partitions.

Right.

3 In the Partitions list, select a free-space entry, and then
select Create under Actions.

Always look first to see the desired hard drive is selected in
the Hard Drives list.

4 In the Create dialog box under Partition Information, type the
Name (D) of the partition to be created.

Partition letters will be determined by Windows or DOS during
boot. It depends upon the nature, number & location of
partitions on the hard drive(s)...

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters

Not sure - I think - if you give a partition a name with BootIt
NG, an EMBR will be created. Instead, I R-Clk partitions in
Explorer & give them names in the properties boxes.

5 Select the appropriate File System from the drop-down list.
(F32).

Yea. There is a consequence to drive letters & whether the new
partition will be bootable. Only primary partitions can boot
(natively through BIOS anyhow).

The "existing" partition is, of course, C, and bootable, and will
become the primary. The new partition D will not be bootable.


Then D may be made a logical drive within an Extended partition.

6 Increase or decrease the Size of the new partition (in MB)
using the keyboard or up or down arrows as required.

I can't quite recall how that goes. It may have changed. I wanted
exactly 8 GB but got a somewhat smaller 7.79 GB. You may have to
do a calculation.

I have not done this yet, so are the words correct, is any thing
omitted, etc. Is there a decision that will come up in the
process that I didn't mention?

Data partitions won't ever boot. Therefore, put them into an
Extended partition. Create the Extended partition giving it
enough space to hold the logical drive(s) you intend to put
inside. But Extended partitions also can be resized. You then
need to create the logical drive(s) by selecting the free space
listed under the Extended partition & clicking Create. Or, you
can copy other logical drives or primary partitions into that
free space, & the copy becomes a logical drive within the
Extended partition.


The Extended partiton will be, in effect D? All the other space I
intend to include in D. So I create a logical drive as above,
then. ?


If you end up with just two partitions, the one that doesn't boot
will be D (whether or not it is a primary partition or a logical
drive within an Extended partition). If you end up with more than
that, you must consider the rules in that article I posted.

In other BootIt NG data, is the Resize function? Since I'm
creating the single NEW partition, I'm not resizing anything?

If your current partition is taking up too much space to fit any
more on its hard drive, you may need to shrink it to fit new
partitions or logical drives on that hard drive.

I don't understand that comment in light of my present hard drive.

Post that FDISK /STATUS for an examination. It will show how much
of the hard drive is used & whether there currently is space for
another partition.


Please comment on the above.

BTW, BootIt NG did install as noted earlier, in a hidden mode.
The only search technique I didn't use was Autorun, but I don't
have the energy to look through 200 entries. Where *did* it
install in windows, and how would you find it, for next time?

It depends whether you chose to install it into your boot
partition or into a partition of its own. I believe it would
default to a partition of its own. I've never done it, but I
believe Blanton that the files would have shown up in the root
of C:, if installed to the boot partition.

When I (incorrectly) installed it, there was no named folder I
found anywhere in windows.

I think everything is OK with that. Whether you installed it into
the Windows partition or it created its own partition to install
into - I'm confident Terabyte got the uninstall correct.



I don't snip earlier stuff in your thread with me as I notice you
don't. I guess it's the only way you can keep track of the situation
in each thread. I think MEB does it for the same reason.


Right. Still, sometimes I find myself clicking earlier posts.

ms

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

"PCR" wrote in
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ms wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
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ms wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:

ms wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:


ms wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:

ms wrote:
...snip...

It won't be tough to just create & shrink partitions. Read the
manual, yea. Post your detailed plan. If you want to go over 4
primary partitions per hard drive - read the manual twice!


This is the plan:
Starting with a 13 GB hard drive, retain present OS ("C")
within a new single 2 GB "D" partition, retain existing folders
in remaining 11 GB.

You only have one hard drive in the machine?

Yes. This is a nice W98 machine, and the only thing it needs is a
partition so the OS if it crashes in C, can be clean installed
again without disturbing my data in D.

I hope to proceed to create a partition, but if in the end it gets
too difficult, I will install a second hard drive and go from
there.


It's best to make a backup of the current partition(s) in case
something goes wrong. Find a way to do it before you shrink
anything, although the shrinking went well for me.

It would be best to install a second one for full system backups.
If you have it, your 1st step would be to copy the existing
partition to it. And that would go this way (after booting the
BootIt NG floppy & clicking CANCEL)...

(1) Click the "Work with Partitions" icon.
a. Bolt HD0 on left in the Hard Drives list.
b. Select the partition you want to copy in the
Partitions list, & click COPY.
c. Bolt HD1 in the Hard Drives list.
d. Select empty space in the Partitions window at
least equal in size to the partition you are copying,
& click PASTE.

There's a little more detail provided in the manual, p. 24.
Usually, I choose to copy Data Only. (Alternatively, copy the
current hard drive to CD-ROM or DVD-ROM. If you have one, it too
will show up in the Hard Drives list. Multiple CDs may be
necessary. I've long promised, but never did it myself.)

After you've done this, you are safe to shrink the original
partition on HD0 to make room for another. I really think 2 GB
is a tad small for Windows 98, though. I'd prefer to see closer
to 3 GB at a minimum. My own is about 8 GB. Make certain you are
not shrinking the partition to be smaller than its current
contents - although I'd wager Terabyte puts up an error message
for that circumstance.

I save your replies, but for now, I just want to create a
partition on the single hard drive. The dadiOH reply was very
helpful to clear up one point. I will remove all other folders so
the only thing on the hard drive will be W98SE.


That doesn't sound right. I think you've misunderstood dadiOH.
Removing folders WON'T shrink a partition to make room for another.
Let me see an FDISK /Status...

(a) "START button, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt"
(b) FDISK /Status
(c) Use the "MARK" button, outline text with mouse,
& "COPY" button to post the result.

Where do you see the Mark button, the screen I see has no buttons,
at C prompt.

Hmm, I thought they all came that way. But ... R-Clk the Title bar, &
select to activate the Toolbar. Then, the buttons appear. Point at
each in turn for its tooltip pop-up. Alternatively: R-Clk the MS-DOS
Prompt shortcut in the Start menu, Properties, Screen tab, & check
the Display toolbar box.

Anyway, here is my status. So the implication of usage 100%
?

Disk Drv MB Free Usage
1 13037 100%

C 13037

This says the hard drive is full - the is no unallocated space that
FDISK can see. You must shrink the partition in order to fit another
partition, if you want it. DadiOH has reminded me to see how much
unused space is available in C:...

(1) "START button, Run, MSInfo32".
(2) Hold CTRL while clicking each "Available" line.
(3) Use the Edit menu to copy, then post the line(s).


Since I had only one entry, just copied it:
7310 MB of 13024 MB (FAT32)

This means your Cartition is using 5714 MB or 5.7 GB. That is a poor
candidate to be shrunk to 3 GB - much less the 2 GB you want! By
contrast, my own Cartition is only using 1.5 GB of its available 7.9
GB. Even if I were to move the stuff from other partitions back in - it
doesn't come close to the figure you report! What is it that makes you
so big? (If you've already said, I've forgotten.)

My Windows folder is 823 MB, Program Files is 113 MB, the other folders
that are associated with windows total about 200 MB or less (I try not to
load up windows folders). My other folders take up the rest of the space.

You could temporarily shrink Cartition to say 8 GB. Then, the hard
drive will have 5 GB unallocated, which could be used to create a 2nd
partition on the hard drive. Boot to Windows & move stuff from C: to D:.
Finally, resize the partitions to more near where you want. I think it
best you keep at least 1 GB available within your final C: - & I've
heard some say 2 GB is better.

If needed for this, I can delete nearly all my folders, (except Bootit NG).
I would suggest a C partition of 2.0-3.0 GB would be enough from the OS
data measured? Or are hidden files to be accounted for? Afterward, 7-8 GB D
to reload my files would be OK.

!00% usage and the above number, Bootit NG ?


FDISK showed the whole hard drive was allocated to Cartition. You can
use BootIt NG to shrink Cartition. (It is C: because it is "the
primary MS-DOS partition on the first physical hard disk" - the article
says. But I believe C: is assigned to the one that is booted, in case
there are multiple possibilities.) Then, BootIt NG could be used to
create a Dartition. (It will be D: because you'll have only two at
this point.) They both then show up in Windows, & you could copy data
from one to the other.

But both partitions must then occasionally be backed up. This is why you
really need to attach a second hard drive. When you do so, it will have
an implication to the drive letters, though...

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters

I will have to get into "imaging" for the OS. But any other backup, my
folders, etc, I back up by burning a CD. Save it off the machine.

ms

I sure appreciate the help as I *always* get the bad sleep, when you
are older, you'll understand.


You are welcome.

ms

Here are mine...

Available space on drive C: 6479MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive D: 6639MB of 7979MB (FAT32)

D: is my BootIt NG copy of C:.

Available space on drive E: 7235MB of 7979MB (FAT32)

E: has My Documents, My Downloads, the CABS, & WU (Windows Update
downloads). But all of that adds up to 7979-7235 or 0.7 GB!

Available space on drive F: 7424MB of 7979MB (FAT32)

F: is a backup of E:, except for WU for some unknown reason. (That's the
trouble with multiple partitions - you've got to back them all up
anyhow.)

Available space on drive G: 7508MB of 7979MB (FAT32)

G: is the Outlook Express store & Temporary Internet Files. But these
add up to a mere 7979-7508 = 0.5ish GB!

Available space on drive H: 7792MB of 7979MB (FAT32)

H: holds a backup of the WU folder.

Available space on drive I: 5949MB of 6174MB (FAT32)

I: has a backup of the Outlook Express store. (Someday I've got to
rethink this whole plan - it looks a tad haphazard!)


Here is mine...

C:\FDISK /Status
Disk Drv Mbytes Free Usage
1 19092 8298 57% One hard drive (HD0)
C: 7996 Primary
partition E: 2798
Logical drive

2 38169 100% Another hard drive
(HD1) D: 7996 Primary
partition F: 7996
G: 7996
H: 7996
I: 6187

E: is a logical drive inside an Extended partition on HD0; F:-I:
are inside an Extended on HD1. But a /Status doesn't show
Primary/Extended information. That can be seen another way with
FDISK, but it's possibly a tad more dangerous to do so. BootIt NG
shows it too.

Having already created a BootIt NG floppy disk.

1. Boot with BootIt NG disk, Install screen- Cancel.

Right. BootIt NG now will be running off the floppy.

2. Maintenance Mode screen, select Work with Partitions.

Right.

3 In the Partitions list, select a free-space entry, and then
select Create under Actions.

Always look first to see the desired hard drive is selected in
the Hard Drives list.

4 In the Create dialog box under Partition Information, type the
Name (D) of the partition to be created.

Partition letters will be determined by Windows or DOS during
boot. It depends upon the nature, number & location of
partitions on the hard drive(s)...

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters

Not sure - I think - if you give a partition a name with BootIt
NG, an EMBR will be created. Instead, I R-Clk partitions in
Explorer & give them names in the properties boxes.

5 Select the appropriate File System from the drop-down list.
(F32).

Yea. There is a consequence to drive letters & whether the new
partition will be bootable. Only primary partitions can boot
(natively through BIOS anyhow).

The "existing" partition is, of course, C, and bootable, and will
become the primary. The new partition D will not be bootable.


Then D may be made a logical drive within an Extended partition.

6 Increase or decrease the Size of the new partition (in MB)
using the keyboard or up or down arrows as required.

I can't quite recall how that goes. It may have changed. I wanted
exactly 8 GB but got a somewhat smaller 7.79 GB. You may have to
do a calculation.

I have not done this yet, so are the words correct, is any thing
omitted, etc. Is there a decision that will come up in the
process that I didn't mention?

Data partitions won't ever boot. Therefore, put them into an
Extended partition. Create the Extended partition giving it
enough space to hold the logical drive(s) you intend to put
inside. But Extended partitions also can be resized. You then
need to create the logical drive(s) by selecting the free space
listed under the Extended partition & clicking Create. Or, you
can copy other logical drives or primary partitions into that
free space, & the copy becomes a logical drive within the
Extended partition.


The Extended partiton will be, in effect D? All the other space I
intend to include in D. So I create a logical drive as above,
then. ?


If you end up with just two partitions, the one that doesn't boot
will be D (whether or not it is a primary partition or a logical
drive within an Extended partition). If you end up with more than
that, you must consider the rules in that article I posted.

In other BootIt NG data, is the Resize function? Since I'm
creating the single NEW partition, I'm not resizing anything?

If your current partition is taking up too much space to fit any
more on its hard drive, you may need to shrink it to fit new
partitions or logical drives on that hard drive.

I don't understand that comment in light of my present hard drive.

Post that FDISK /STATUS for an examination. It will show how much
of the hard drive is used & whether there currently is space for
another partition.


Please comment on the above.

BTW, BootIt NG did install as noted earlier, in a hidden mode.
The only search technique I didn't use was Autorun, but I don't
have the energy to look through 200 entries. Where *did* it
install in windows, and how would you find it, for next time?

It depends whether you chose to install it into your boot
partition or into a partition of its own. I believe it would
default to a partition of its own. I've never done it, but I
believe Blanton that the files would have shown up in the root
of C:, if installed to the boot partition.

When I (incorrectly) installed it, there was no named folder I
found anywhere in windows.

I think everything is OK with that. Whether you installed it into
the Windows partition or it created its own partition to install
into - I'm confident Terabyte got the uninstall correct.



I don't snip earlier stuff in your thread with me as I notice you
don't. I guess it's the only way you can keep track of the situation
in each thread. I think MEB does it for the same reason.


Right. Still, sometimes I find myself clicking earlier posts.

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It won't be tough to just create & shrink partitions. Read
the manual, yea. Post your detailed plan. If you want to go
over 4 primary partitions per hard drive - read the manual
twice!


This is the plan:
Starting with a 13 GB hard drive, retain present OS ("C")
within a new single 2 GB "D" partition, retain existing
folders in remaining 11 GB.

You only have one hard drive in the machine?

Yes. This is a nice W98 machine, and the only thing it needs is
a partition so the OS if it crashes in C, can be clean installed
again without disturbing my data in D.

I hope to proceed to create a partition, but if in the end it
gets too difficult, I will install a second hard drive and go
from there.


It's best to make a backup of the current partition(s) in case
something goes wrong. Find a way to do it before you shrink
anything, although the shrinking went well for me.

It would be best to install a second one for full system
backups. If you have it, your 1st step would be to copy the
existing partition to it. And that would go this way (after
booting the BootIt NG floppy & clicking CANCEL)...

(1) Click the "Work with Partitions" icon.
a. Bolt HD0 on left in the Hard Drives list.
b. Select the partition you want to copy in the
Partitions list, & click COPY.
c. Bolt HD1 in the Hard Drives list.
d. Select empty space in the Partitions window at
least equal in size to the partition you are copying,
& click PASTE.

There's a little more detail provided in the manual, p. 24.
Usually, I choose to copy Data Only. (Alternatively, copy the
current hard drive to CD-ROM or DVD-ROM. If you have one, it
too will show up in the Hard Drives list. Multiple CDs may be
necessary. I've long promised, but never did it myself.)

After you've done this, you are safe to shrink the original
partition on HD0 to make room for another. I really think 2 GB
is a tad small for Windows 98, though. I'd prefer to see closer
to 3 GB at a minimum. My own is about 8 GB. Make certain you
are not shrinking the partition to be smaller than its current
contents - although I'd wager Terabyte puts up an error message
for that circumstance.

I save your replies, but for now, I just want to create a
partition on the single hard drive. The dadiOH reply was very
helpful to clear up one point. I will remove all other folders
so the only thing on the hard drive will be W98SE.


That doesn't sound right. I think you've misunderstood dadiOH.
Removing folders WON'T shrink a partition to make room for
another. Let me see an FDISK /Status...

(a) "START button, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt"
(b) FDISK /Status
(c) Use the "MARK" button, outline text with mouse,
& "COPY" button to post the result.

Where do you see the Mark button, the screen I see has no buttons,
at C prompt.

Hmm, I thought they all came that way. But ... R-Clk the Title bar,
& select to activate the Toolbar. Then, the buttons appear. Point
at each in turn for its tooltip pop-up. Alternatively: R-Clk the
MS-DOS Prompt shortcut in the Start menu, Properties, Screen tab, &
check the Display toolbar box.

Anyway, here is my status. So the implication of usage 100%
?

Disk Drv MB Free Usage
1 13037 100%

C 13037

This says the hard drive is full - the is no unallocated space that
FDISK can see. You must shrink the partition in order to fit
another partition, if you want it. DadiOH has reminded me to see
how much unused space is available in C:...

(1) "START button, Run, MSInfo32".
(2) Hold CTRL while clicking each "Available" line.
(3) Use the Edit menu to copy, then post the line(s).


Since I had only one entry, just copied it:
7310 MB of 13024 MB (FAT32)

This means your Cartition is using 5714 MB or 5.7 GB. That is a
poor candidate to be shrunk to 3 GB - much less the 2 GB you want! By
contrast, my own Cartition is only using 1.5 GB of its available
7.9 GB. Even if I were to move the stuff from other partitions back
in - it doesn't come close to the figure you report! What is it that
makes you so big? (If you've already said, I've forgotten.)

My Windows folder is 823 MB, Program Files is 113 MB, the other
folders that are associated with windows total about 200 MB or less (I
try not to load up windows folders). My other folders take up the rest
of the space.

You could temporarily shrink Cartition to say 8 GB. Then, the hard
drive will have 5 GB unallocated, which could be used to create a 2nd
partition on the hard drive. Boot to Windows & move stuff from C: to
D:. Finally, resize the partitions to more near where you want. I
think it best you keep at least 1 GB available within your final C: -
& I've heard some say 2 GB is better.

If needed for this, I can delete nearly all my folders, (except Bootit
NG). I would suggest a C partition of 2.0-3.0 GB would be enough from
the OS data measured? Or are hidden files to be accounted for?
Afterward, 7-8 GB D to reload my files would be OK.

!00% usage and the above number, Bootit NG ?


FDISK showed the whole hard drive was allocated to Cartition. You
can use BootIt NG to shrink Cartition. (It is C: because it is "the
primary MS-DOS partition on the first physical hard disk" - the
article says. But I believe C: is assigned to the one that is booted,
in case there are multiple possibilities.) Then, BootIt NG could be
used to create a Dartition. (It will be D: because you'll have only
two at this point.) They both then show up in Windows, & you could
copy data from one to the other.

But both partitions must then occasionally be backed up. This is why
you really need to attach a second hard drive. When you do so, it
will have an implication to the drive letters, though...

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters

I will have to get into "imaging" for the OS. But any other backup, my
folders, etc, I back up by burning a CD. Save it off the machine.

ms

PCR, thanks for the help in this thread.

ms