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Irritating Youtube (about updates)
"Bill in Co" wrote in
m: When I look retrospectively at what's become of society, and what "passes" for society (sociologically speaking) these days, well, don't get me started... I sometimes think we're in for a big human cull, in any number of ways, but even if we are, I think humans will survive it, and those left will have enough among them to value what's left and avoid some errors so far not avoided. Maybe the real reason nothing seems to change is exactly that: not enough changes to compel people to manage things significantly better. One thing I find with depression is that avoiding placing bets is a good idea. Illusions of certainty won't get us though. I think we only need to do one thing to guarantee we have some chance of a decent futu don't let some rich greedy *******s get bases off-planet and enact 'Moonraker' on us. So long as we can prevent that I think our chances, and those of people not yet born, will amount to something interesting, maybe even fun. Above all, I don't want to encourage a bad outcome, even as a vision. It's not an accident that most of our dystopian outcomes were born of persistent visions. Maybe it's better to thwart those who feed us such visions, by doing something, anything, that doesn't make then preen on their self-fulfilling prophesies while gaining at our expense. After all, that kind of manipulation is by far the easiest way to erode a society, or an individual, so we ought to be especially wary of it, no? '1984' is upheld and taught in schools as a 'literary classic', but it's actually a ****ing lousy vision to rear children into. They cite it as something to avoid, but the real question is: why force every generation to endure it, if they don't want us to accept the 'unthinkable? Better by far not to think it, and think something else instead. I like to make stuff. No matter how helpless everything might seem at times, that works for me. Just using what I have while I have still got it. People seem to make so much virtue of the soldier's courage, yet think so little of the old. We all age, we all have to live with fear of loss of all. That can be the bleakest thing of all, the loneliest, but it also means we never have to imagine anyone, in all of history, has a monopoly on claims to courage and value in living. When it gets to me, I think like a kid. Not childish, though I'm not immune. I mean find something to get into, obsessed by, even, for its own sake. It's not so easy at times, but I don't think the capacity to do it fails us till we're dead, and we can use it all the way. Trying to know what 'society' is is a thing we do best at the peak of our powers, so it's something we lose early. I try to stick with things I can keep longer. (Which makes me an idiot, given that I like to write computer code, but never mind...) Don't ask me why I said all that, it just happened as a response to what you said, as well as any thoughts I had up to that point. |
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Irritating Youtube (about updates)
Lostgallifreyan wrote:
"Bill in Co" wrote in m: When I look retrospectively at what's become of society, and what "passes" for society (sociologically speaking) these days, well, don't get me started... I sometimes think we're in for a big human cull, in any number of ways, but even if we are, I think humans will survive it, and those left will have enough among them to value what's left and avoid some errors so far not avoided. "Survive", yes. Improve? I'm seriously doubtful. We rarely seem to learn much of anything from the past, from what I've seen. So it just cycles, and cycles, and cycles... So after one generation is gone, the next one can (essentially) reinvent the same thing all over again. And so it goes... Maybe the real reason nothing seems to change is exactly that: not enough changes to compel people to manage things significantly better. One thing I find with depression is that avoiding placing bets is a good idea. Not much of a bet here! I think it's a near certainty, based on the history of mankind. :-) Illusions of certainty won't get us though. I think we only need to do one thing to guarantee we have some chance of a decent futu don't let some rich greedy *******s get bases off-planet and enact 'Moonraker' on us. So long as we can prevent that I think our chances, and those of people not yet born, will amount to something interesting, maybe even fun. Above all, I don't want to encourage a bad outcome, even as a vision. It's not an accident that most of our dystopian outcomes were born of persistent visions. Maybe it's better to thwart those who feed us such visions, by doing something, anything, that doesn't make then preen on their self-fulfilling prophesies while gaining at our expense. After all, that kind of manipulation is by far the easiest way to erode a society, or an individual, so we ought to be especially wary of it, no? '1984' is upheld and taught in schools as a 'literary classic', but it's actually a ****ing lousy vision to rear children into. They cite it as something to avoid, but the real question is: why force every generation to endure it, if they don't want us to accept the 'unthinkable? Better by far not to think it, and think something else instead. I like to make stuff. No matter how helpless everything might seem at times, that works for me. Just using what I have while I have still got it. People seem to make so much virtue of the soldier's courage, yet think so little of the old. We all age, we all have to live with fear of loss of all. That can be the bleakest thing of all, the loneliest, but it also means we never have to imagine anyone, in all of history, has a monopoly on claims to courage and value in living. When it gets to me, I think like a kid. Not childish, though I'm not immune. I mean find something to get into, obsessed by, even, for its own sake. I might consider this "distraction" a form of "avoidance therapy", but at least you can be productive doing something, while not excessively getting depressed about what's going on in the world. So I'm not judging it. :-) It's not so easy at times, but I don't think the capacity to do it fails us till we're dead, and we can use it all the way. Trying to know what 'society' is is a thing we do best at the peak of our powers, so it's something we lose early. I try to stick with things I can keep longer. (Which makes me an idiot, given that I like to write computer code, but never mind...) Don't ask me why I said all that, it just happened as a response to what you said, as well as any thoughts I had up to that point. Thanks for the thoughts. It doesn't matter why to me, it's just nice that you did. :-) |
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Irritating Youtube (about updates)
"Bill in Co" wrote in
m: Thanks for the thoughts. It doesn't matter why to me, it's just nice that you did. :-) Well, the alternative really WOULD have been avoidance therapy. Something that keeps recurring for me, a line from one of my own poems.. 'if you want peace, don't fight for it, listen out for it, it's where the battering isn't.' Instead of risking leaving that looking like cryptic nonsense I'll spell it out, although I guess it's not as opaque as all that... It basically means that if **** is going down, those who (maybe like Kipling's dude who keeps his head when all around are losing theirs) manage to keep silent, they recognise the unusual silences around them and know they aren't alone in their risk. It IS risky not to fight if everyone else seems to be fighting, but I found that it works, even in real ones. (It is easier to disarm an angry psychobilly at a punk gig by taking the chair he is about to try to decapitate someone with, at the peak of its arc, when it's over and behind his own head. And as he was so easily disarmed he was embarrassed into doing nothing at all about it. I have this notion that those who make the biggest fight are those who are the most scared of their own apparent insignificance. I think it takes more guts to quit when you know it might get you badly hurt by someone who thinks they need to use the advantage it gives them, than it does to pick a fight in the first place. It took me a long time to stop fearing that my place in the world might never matter in the slightest. Maybe I'll never really get over it, but living with it beats forcing others to live with it just because I might not have the guts to handle it alone. These thoughts are the best antidote to depression I know. Given the choice between thinking them, or agonising over a world I cannot save, I'd rather think them because anything better that I might ever do would have to come from that anyway. For those who wonder why I am NOT silent, there is too much silence here. If tech stuff isn't keeping things going, we might as well try something else to pass the time. Feel free to displace this stuff with tech postings. |
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Irritating Youtube (about updates)
Lostgallifreyan wrote:
"Bill in Co" wrote in m: Thanks for the thoughts. It doesn't matter why to me, it's just nice that you did. :-) Well, the alternative really WOULD have been avoidance therapy. Something that keeps recurring for me, a line from one of my own poems.. 'if you want peace, don't fight for it, listen out for it, it's where the battering isn't.' Seems pretty accurate. :-) Maybe you're right - if you're not looking for such peace, you're looking for a distraction, and that's the avoidance therapy part. I don't know - I'm definitely not too good at this. Instead of risking leaving that looking like cryptic nonsense I'll spell it out, although I guess it's not as opaque as all that... It basically means that if **** is going down, those who (maybe like Kipling's dude who keeps his head when all around are losing theirs) manage to keep silent, they recognise the unusual silences around them and know they aren't alone in their risk. It IS risky not to fight if everyone else seems to be fighting, but I found that it works, even in real ones. (It is easier to disarm an angry psychobilly at a punk gig by taking the chair he is about to try to decapitate someone with, at the peak of its arc, when it's over and behind his own head. And as he was so easily disarmed he was embarrassed into doing nothing at all about it. I have this notion that those who make the biggest fight are those who are the most scared of their own apparent insignificance. I think it takes more guts to quit when you know it might get you badly hurt by someone who thinks they need to use the advantage it gives them, than it does to pick a fight in the first place. It took me a long time to stop fearing that my place in the world might never matter in the slightest. Maybe I'll never really get over it, but living with it beats forcing others to live with it just because I might not have the guts to handle it alone. These thoughts are the best antidote to depression I know. Have you experienced it too? (it sounds like you have) Given the choice between thinking them, or agonising over a world I cannot save, I'd rather think them because anything better that I might ever do would have to come from that anyway. Well, I probably can't argue that point. :-) "...the guts to handle it alone...". Well, maybe that's it, although I'm not sure "guts" is the exactly most accurate term, but, who knows. It may take more guts to at least be truly concerned about it, than to not even care a whig about it (so as long as it doesn't directly affect themselves, which I classify as being selfish). But as you said, if one is truly concerned, but knows one's own limits, and what one can and cannot do about it, that's a different story. For those who wonder why I am NOT silent, there is too much silence here. If tech stuff isn't keeping things going, we might as well try something else to pass the time. Feel free to displace this stuff with tech postings. I expect the reason there's so much silence in here is that most have migrated to the newer OS's. At least I've stopped with XP. :-) I dread the day that the time comes that I may ever (possibly) need to get a newer computer with a newer OS. In fact, if this one ever died and I couldn't fix it, I'd rather take my chances on buying a used one with XP. At least I could reinstall XP with a clean slate, and be sure the hardware and drivers were still compatible with Win XP. I could still be using 98SE (and occasionally do on the other computer), except for a few nice apps that won't even install on 98, and the fact that I appreciate the lack of blue screens, a bit more "robustness", and the lack of any system resource heap problems anymore. :-) |
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Irritating Youtube (about updates)
"Bill in Co" wrote in
m: Well, maybe that's it, although I'm not sure "guts" is the exactly most accurate term, but, who knows. It may take more guts to at least be truly concerned about it, than to not even care a whig about it (so as long as it doesn't directly affect themselves, which I classify as being selfish). But as you said, if one is truly concerned, but knows one's own limits, and what one can and cannot do about it, that's a different story. Well, I found it important to know what courage meant to me, not what it was told to me by bullies when I was a kid. (It is hard to beleive in courage as a concept when it is obviously on show as a means for the strong to pick on the weak). I do know depression as experience, have had all my life, but then again, defining it is like defining love, money, fire, the more we look into it, the more we realise we don't understand. I just looked at whatever I found hardest to live with and changed it, or my perception of it, to make something useful come out of it. I don't think it's a route to happiness, but it is a way to avoid a trap. We're in an age of celebrity. Democracy is waning in importance in some places, others shun meritocracy while others try to gain one or the other of those. I decided that trying to gain celbrity in any way makes no sense to me, so this automatically puts me at a disvantage because I also lack social and family support, other than some small financial help. So what do I do to make life bearable? Drugs won't work, except brewing poppy tea in the few years where it interested me enough to persist in the months of work getting them growing well in a damp cool climate. I don't drink, or smoke. Can't turn on a radio (I have no TV) without some celebrity talking head in an interview, with a new book on the shop shelves. I don't want to turn to crime, I value my limited security too much. So what do do...? Only answer I have is figure out what is important to me, and stick with it, make it happen. Courage only comes from conviction. To me this is an important issue, because it is either this, or waste my life jumping to the orders of others who don't give a **** about me. So I ended up teaching myself enough to gain a degree or two, but not for the having of it, but the ability to do. I'd not have gone for formal education even if I thought they'd have had me, because I didn't want to feel a burden of any more debt than I already felt. So I quit doing all the things many take for granted, and spent what I had on tools and parts that let me learn about things I might otherwise never have got access to, like lasers, electronic music, etc. I did get some help at one point, but made errors that cost me all of that help, so had to regain lost ground my own way, and the time it took taught me a lot more than any original help or schooling ever did. I considered publishing laser driver and power meter designs on a forum, but quit that idea when I saw the infighting, the claims, counterclaims, all the stuff that had little to do with science as I was told it should be. So in the end I just make my small tenure in life as solid as I know how, and follow whatever most interests me. I publish some stuff in Sam's LaserFAQ because he only has one criterion: is it interesting and useful, and relevant. No-one trying to rubbish a perfectly good idea (often by citing a lesser one), or try to claim it's their own. In the long run this is better, because that will endure long after the forum infighting is willfully forgotten. it might not make big Google rankings, but it WILL be there. I try to take the long view, given that the short one is about as useful as understanding a pool ball's purpose by examining an electron micrograph of part of its surface. This time I do know why I'm saying this. I have no glib answers to dealing with depression, or finding worth in being alive. So either I say what I do, or say nothing. Only question is, if said, how much? Probably enough by now. I expect the reason there's so much silence in here is that most have migrated to the newer OS's. At least I've stopped with XP. :-) I dread the day that the time comes that I may ever (possibly) need to get a newer computer with a newer OS. In fact, if this one ever died and I couldn't fix it, I'd rather take my chances on buying a used one with XP. At least I could reinstall XP with a clean slate, and be sure the hardware and drivers were still compatible with Win XP. I could still be using 98SE (and occasionally do on the other computer), except for a few nice apps that won't even install on 98, and the fact that I appreciate the lack of blue screens, a bit more "robustness", and the lack of any system resource heap problems anymore. :-) Well, some new OS's branched out of old ones, otherwise given up for dead. Linux, OpenBSD, I think they all grew out of abandoned forks in earlier developments. to that end I'll post my last work on X98 right here and now. I never did push to set up a network module, and anyone who wants this is at the least going to have to do a right royal easter egg hunt just to be sure they got the right files, but it's game on.... Post coming up ASAP. Might get the tech postings rolling a bit if nothing else. |
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Irritating Youtube (about updates)
Lostgallifreyan wrote in
: I'll post my last work on X98 right here and now. Scratch that. Unless someone can find a tool that runs on W98, and lists all the file version numbers (I found DirLister but it's useless, it only uses 10 chars for important numbers that often exceed that). Also, by the time I post the list, and the batch scripts, and the registry files, I can GUARANTEE that no-one including me will have the patience to endure any of it. Given that part of it relies on proprietary files, maybe the ONLY way I'll ever distribute X98 is privately to people who can post a way for me to upload it. The 48-bit LBA support uses a file I shouldn't be distributing anyway, the whole X98 thing is in Ghost files, and will never be an out-of-box experience for anyone. I now think the best thing I can do is probably to shut up about it because it will otherwise be a stupid promise I can never deliver. |
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Lostgallifreyan wrote in
: I'll post my last work on X98 right here and now. Scratch that. Unless someone can find a tool that runs on W98, and lists all the file version numbers (I found DirLister but it's useless, it only uses 10 chars for important numbers that often exceed that). Ok, I have figured out a way to get X98 out there without testing anyone's patience. First, I have found a good free host, and put my site up: http://lostgallifreyan.x10.mx If anyone finds that fails for them, let me know and I'll try to figure out why. Instead of the rediculous easter egg hunt method, I'll put up Ghost files, and DOS-extractable PKZIP files, for each module. To keep it legal, I'll omit two things: The patched ESDI_506.PDR file for 48 bit LBA, because mine is patched by Rudolph Loew's PatchATA program, not public domain. You can find an equivalent via the 48bit LBA site, easily found via Google. TEST it rigorously, becase data security for big drives is vital, never rely on any method till you test it, and know it works. The other omission will be that tiny bit of registry that holds user registration data for W98. Without that, X98 Ghost or ZIP files will be basically like those DLL caches found online. The idea is that X98 should be legal in this form, and usable by anyone who can transplant into it a valid W98 license. It's not on my site yet, I'm still figuring out the neatest and fastest way to make it happen, so no-one has to do stupid amounts of tedious work. When I have something presentable I'll make a new thread for it. |
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Irritating Youtube (about updates)
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Youtube is ****ing me off. It keeps whining and complaining that my browsers are outdated, such as Seamonkey and Kmeleon. (Using win98se). So I use Firefox 3.x and now it's whining that my plugins need to be updated. On EVERY DAMN PAGE I OPEN. I do not get this warning on any other website. Quite honestly, it's none of their goddamn business what plugins I use, nor do I give a **** if they need updating. I use what works, and have no intention to update anything just because they insist that I do. I cant seem to find any way to block their nag screens either. Turning off java script does not do it. In fact then they nag about Java Sceipt being off. What really annoys me is that all the browsers work fine to view their videos and stuff, after I shut all their damn nag screens. It dont tell me *which* plugin is the problem either and I have about 10 of them...... Any idea how to stop these nags? (Yes, I have popups blocked too!) Go with Old Version of Opera 10.63, and update plug-ins for that http://www.oldapps.com/category/browsers |
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Irritating Youtube (about updates)
Henry wrote:
I'm using IE8 with all updates on WinXP Pro SP3 and when I go to www.youtube.com it says I'm using IE7 and should update to IE8 now because they are going to discontinue supporting IE7. I tried writing to them but get a message back saying they can't answer all emails. Do they know what they are doing? Yes. If you wrote and maintained web systems - especially one doing some as sophisticated as Youtube - you would have an idea what a huge pain in the ass it is to try to make obsolete browsers behave properly. It gets to a point where you're spending vast amounts of your time supported a tiny proportion of your users. Eventually you have to give up. IE7 is definitely in that category. It's badly behaved, and not many people are using it any more. -- Tim Slattery |
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Irritating Youtube (about updates)
Tim Slattery wrote:
If you wrote and maintained web systems - especially one doing some as sophisticated as Youtube - you would have an idea what a huge pain in the ass it is to try to make obsolete browsers behave properly. That's a lot of horse ****. I'm running Win-98se and youtube works perfectly fine using Firefox 2.0.0.20. I have flash version 11.1.102.62 installed. For the OP, I also have a registry key set so that Flash thinks I'm running Win-2k. Normally, my default user-agent would be this: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.8.1.20) Gecko/20081217 Firefox/2.0.0.20 But with user-agent-switcher I usually have the user-agent set to this: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html) When I go to youtube.com, I see no warnings or messages that I'm running something old or incompatible. I also have a ****-load of stuff in my hosts file, which means that sometimes some websites that are ad-heavy are rendered badly - but that's ok because I can always still see what I want to see. It gets to a point where you're spending vast amounts of your time supported a tiny proportion of your users. Again - that's bull**** when it comes to non-IE browsers. For IE-6, yes, that abortion of a browser is and has been badly incompatible with the web for many years, and required custom code to be written by web-masters. But the same can't be said for the firefox 2 (and up) line of browsers. If you're going to view youtube on a win-98 machine, and if you don't want to get hassled with messages saying that your system or OS or browser is "out of date", then you need to a) install KernelEx b) use Firefox 2.0.0.20 (or higher if you want) as your browser c) install a new(er) version of flash d) install the user-agent-switcher add-on for firefox The version of flash that I have (see above) *might* be the last version that installs and runs properly on a win-98 system with KernelEx. I know there was a problem with more recent versions not installing or running correctly. You will not get this message: ================================================== ================ You are using an outdated browser, which YouTube no longer supports. Since some features on YouTube may not work, you are viewing a lightweight version of the video page. Go back to the regular page ================================================== ================= if you get the firefox add-on "user-agent switcher". |
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