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Old March 27th 05, 04:57 PM
Noel Paton
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Default KB891711 - problems??

Sorry for the cross-post, but this (hopefully) may be important.

I'm attempting to correlate some data to find out the cause of people's
problems with this patch

Current advice from MS, is for those affected by the problem to either
uninstall the patch (Add/Remove Programs) or prevent it from running at
startup (use MSCONFIG|Startup)

What I'd like is for everyone (and anyone!) affected by this problem to
email me (my addy here is valid) with a copy of their Everest Home Edition
(or AIDA32) report.

To do this, please read the following carefully

Download and install Everest Home Edition from www.lavalys.hu and install
it.

Run the program, and once it's up and running, click on

Report
Quick report - All Pages
(here you can pick your choice - I'd prefer HTML, but if you're worried
about your privacy, then Text is a better option)

When the report is complete (please don't click on anything until it is
complete!) Save it!!!

Remove any information that you may consider sensitive - but please put
something in its place! (I suggest removed) so that I know that something
is missing


Save the (amended) file as "Report your email"

then email it to me as an attachment at


I can't promise to respond - but I'll try to at least acknowledge receipt,
particularly if you put some detail into the covering email.

Many thanks for your patience in reading this - I hope it makes sense!!

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

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http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm

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Old March 27th 05, 07:10 PM
Jack E Martinelli
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I request that users with the KB891711 problem run this simple test.

First, temporarily disable KB891711.EXE by using msconfig/Startup to uncheck
the box which launches it at boot. Reboot.
Then replace the current video adapter/driver with the MS plain-vanilla SVGA
driver, using the wizard in Device Manager.
Reboot and confirm that all is well. When satisfied that the machine and the
browser work fine, use msconfig to reenable the KB891711 "patch", reboot,
and see if the problems return, or remain absent.
Revert to the original video driver when desired, while disabling the
"patch", if necessary.

Please report all results to Noel.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Sorry for the cross-post, but this (hopefully) may be important.

I'm attempting to correlate some data to find out the cause of people's
problems with this patch

Current advice from MS, is for those affected by the problem to either
uninstall the patch (Add/Remove Programs) or prevent it from running at
startup (use MSCONFIG|Startup)

What I'd like is for everyone (and anyone!) affected by this problem to
email me (my addy here is valid) with a copy of their Everest Home Edition
(or AIDA32) report.

To do this, please read the following carefully

Download and install Everest Home Edition from www.lavalys.hu and install
it.

Run the program, and once it's up and running, click on

Report
Quick report - All Pages
(here you can pick your choice - I'd prefer HTML, but if you're worried
about your privacy, then Text is a better option)

When the report is complete (please don't click on anything until it is
complete!) Save it!!!

Remove any information that you may consider sensitive - but please put
something in its place! (I suggest removed) so that I know that

something
is missing


Save the (amended) file as "Report your email"

then email it to me as an attachment at


I can't promise to respond - but I'll try to at least acknowledge receipt,
particularly if you put some detail into the covering email.

Many thanks for your patience in reading this - I hope it makes sense!!

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

In fond memory of one of life's Gentlemen - Alex Nichol
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's



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Old March 28th 05, 02:52 AM
N. Miller
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In article , Noel Paton says...

Sorry for the cross-post, but this (hopefully) may be important.


I'm attempting to correlate some data to find out the cause of people's
problems with this patch


snip

What I'd like is for everyone (and anyone!) affected by this problem to
email me (my addy here is valid) with a copy of their Everest Home Edition
(or AIDA32) report.


To do this, please read the following carefully


Download and install Everest Home Edition from www.lavalys.hu and install
it.


Run the program, and once it's up and running, click on


Report
Quick report - All Pages


snip

Save the (amended) file as "Report your email"


then email it to me as an attachment at


snip

Done. I also noted the fact that my computer runs fine with the KB891711
patch as long as I am not running Mercury Mail. I used 'msconfig' to disable
MM from loading on startup. As long as MM is not running, this computer, and
its sister, run KB891711 with no problem. As soon as I enable MM on this
computer, trying to launch any browser causes a blue screen.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint
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Old March 28th 05, 03:16 AM
N. Miller
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In article , Jack E Martinelli
says...

I request that users with the KB891711 problem run this simple test.


First, temporarily disable KB891711.EXE by using msconfig/Startup to uncheck
the box which launches it at boot. Reboot.
Then replace the current video adapter/driver with the MS plain-vanilla SVGA
driver, using the wizard in Device Manager.
Reboot and confirm that all is well. When satisfied that the machine and the
browser work fine, use msconfig to reenable the KB891711 "patch", reboot,
and see if the problems return, or remain absent.
Revert to the original video driver when desired, while disabling the
"patch", if necessary.


Please report all results to Noel.


I don't have to run your test. As you recall, I have two mostly identical HP
Pavilion 6745C computers; Megumi crashes, Naomi doesn't. I tried this little
test:

Run 'msconfig'. Disable just one item in the startup list: Mercury Mail.
Reboot. Rename 'Kb891711.DLL.dud' to 'Kb891711.DLL'. Rename
'Kb891711.EXE.dud' to 'Kb891711.EXE'. Double-click on 'Kb891711.EXE'. Check
the "Close Programs" list to verify that 'Kb891711' is in the list. Launch
any browser. Computer works just fine. Load Mercury Mail manually. Launch
any browser. Blue screen on browser launch.

It seems pretty clear that I can run Kb891711 on my troublesome computer; if
I don't run the Mercury Mail Transport application. I did, finally, set up
the Everest Home program, and sent a copy of the report to Noel. I think I
will send him a copy from Naomi, as well.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint
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Old March 28th 05, 03:27 AM
Mike M
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Norman,

Are you now saying that the version of the Intel drivers makes no
difference? Previously I thought that you had said the difference between
the two PCs was that the one that was crashing had Intel driver version
4.13.01.3196 and that which didn't had version 4.13.01.3004. Does this
mean that you have now eliminated the difference in driver version as
being a factor?
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



N. Miller wrote:

Done. I also noted the fact that my computer runs fine with the
KB891711 patch as long as I am not running Mercury Mail. I used
'msconfig' to disable MM from loading on startup. As long as MM is
not running, this computer, and its sister, run KB891711 with no
problem. As soon as I enable MM on this computer, trying to launch
any browser causes a blue screen.


  #6  
Old March 28th 05, 08:35 AM
Noel Paton
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Thanks, Norman - that's good data, and the reports have arrived safely

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

In fond memory of one of life's Gentlemen - Alex Nichol
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"N. Miller" wrote in message
om...
In article , Jack E Martinelli
says...

I request that users with the KB891711 problem run this simple test.


First, temporarily disable KB891711.EXE by using msconfig/Startup to
uncheck
the box which launches it at boot. Reboot.
Then replace the current video adapter/driver with the MS plain-vanilla
SVGA
driver, using the wizard in Device Manager.
Reboot and confirm that all is well. When satisfied that the machine and
the
browser work fine, use msconfig to reenable the KB891711 "patch", reboot,
and see if the problems return, or remain absent.
Revert to the original video driver when desired, while disabling the
"patch", if necessary.


Please report all results to Noel.


I don't have to run your test. As you recall, I have two mostly identical
HP
Pavilion 6745C computers; Megumi crashes, Naomi doesn't. I tried this
little
test:

Run 'msconfig'. Disable just one item in the startup list: Mercury Mail.
Reboot. Rename 'Kb891711.DLL.dud' to 'Kb891711.DLL'. Rename
'Kb891711.EXE.dud' to 'Kb891711.EXE'. Double-click on 'Kb891711.EXE'.
Check
the "Close Programs" list to verify that 'Kb891711' is in the list. Launch
any browser. Computer works just fine. Load Mercury Mail manually. Launch
any browser. Blue screen on browser launch.

It seems pretty clear that I can run Kb891711 on my troublesome computer;
if
I don't run the Mercury Mail Transport application. I did, finally, set up
the Everest Home program, and sent a copy of the report to Noel. I think I
will send him a copy from Naomi, as well.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint



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Old March 28th 05, 06:00 PM
Jack E Martinelli
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Thank you, Norman. Your results are very interesting. I've read one other
recent report from Jeff Richards, in win98. gen_discussion, where using the
MS video drivers, instead of the third-party ones, avoided the KB891711
problem on at least one machine.

I still haven't found a machine exhibiting the problem.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Norman - that's good data, and the reports have arrived safely

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

In fond memory of one of life's Gentlemen - Alex Nichol
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"N. Miller" wrote in message
om...
In article , Jack E Martinelli
says...

I request that users with the KB891711 problem run this simple test.


First, temporarily disable KB891711.EXE by using msconfig/Startup to
uncheck the box which launches it at boot. Reboot.
Then replace the current video adapter/driver with the MS plain-vanilla
SVGA driver, using the wizard in Device Manager.
Reboot and confirm that all is well. When satisfied that the machine

and
the browser work fine, use msconfig to reenable the KB891711 "patch",

reboot,
and see if the problems return, or remain absent.
Revert to the original video driver when desired, while disabling the
"patch", if necessary.


Please report all results to Noel.


I don't have to run your test. As you recall, I have two mostly

identical
HP Pavilion 6745C computers; Megumi crashes, Naomi doesn't. I tried this
little test:

Run 'msconfig'. Disable just one item in the startup list: Mercury Mail.
Reboot. Rename 'Kb891711.DLL.dud' to 'Kb891711.DLL'. Rename
'Kb891711.EXE.dud' to 'Kb891711.EXE'. Double-click on 'Kb891711.EXE'.
Check
the "Close Programs" list to verify that 'Kb891711' is in the list.

Launch
any browser. Computer works just fine. Load Mercury Mail manually.

Launch
any browser. Blue screen on browser launch.

It seems pretty clear that I can run Kb891711 on my troublesome

computer;
if I don't run the Mercury Mail Transport application. I did, finally,

set up
the Everest Home program, and sent a copy of the report to Noel. I think

I
will send him a copy from Naomi, as well.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint




  #8  
Old March 28th 05, 09:28 PM
N. Miller
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In article , Mike M says...

Are you now saying that the version of the Intel drivers makes no
difference? Previously I thought that you had said the difference between
the two PCs was that the one that was crashing had Intel driver version
4.13.01.3196 and that which didn't had version 4.13.01.3004. Does this
mean that you have now eliminated the difference in driver version as
being a factor?


I though that I had posted a correction. When I ran that test, I failed to
restart, so the Kb891711 patch was not running during the test. I re-ran
things. With older version of the Intel drivers, Kb891711 causes crashes on
Megumi, but not on Naomi. With the newer version of the Intel drivers,
Kb891711 causes crashes on Megumi, but not on Naomi. When I stop the Mercury
Mail MTA from running in the startup group, neither driver causes crashes on
Megumi; only the combination of Mercury Mail and Kb891711 running causes
crashes on Megumi. Oddly, the crashes only occur while launching browsers.
It is a puzzle; and I am considering additional tests by changing the
modules running when the Mercury Mail MTA is launched. I will go to a bare
bones startup; minimal, if you will. If it doesn't cause crashes I will add
back the modules, one by one, until the crashes resume.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint
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Old March 28th 05, 09:49 PM
Noel Paton
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Thanks for your persistence, Norman - this type of help is invaluable to us!

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

In fond memory of one of life's Gentlemen - Alex Nichol
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"N. Miller" wrote in message
om...
In article , Mike M says...

Are you now saying that the version of the Intel drivers makes no
difference? Previously I thought that you had said the difference
between
the two PCs was that the one that was crashing had Intel driver version
4.13.01.3196 and that which didn't had version 4.13.01.3004. Does this
mean that you have now eliminated the difference in driver version as
being a factor?


I though that I had posted a correction. When I ran that test, I failed to
restart, so the Kb891711 patch was not running during the test. I re-ran
things. With older version of the Intel drivers, Kb891711 causes crashes
on
Megumi, but not on Naomi. With the newer version of the Intel drivers,
Kb891711 causes crashes on Megumi, but not on Naomi. When I stop the
Mercury
Mail MTA from running in the startup group, neither driver causes crashes
on
Megumi; only the combination of Mercury Mail and Kb891711 running causes
crashes on Megumi. Oddly, the crashes only occur while launching browsers.
It is a puzzle; and I am considering additional tests by changing the
modules running when the Mercury Mail MTA is launched. I will go to a bare
bones startup; minimal, if you will. If it doesn't cause crashes I will
add
back the modules, one by one, until the crashes resume.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint



  #10  
Old March 28th 05, 09:57 PM
Mike M
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N. Miller wrote:

In article , Mike M says...


I though that I had posted a correction.


You probably did. It's far more likely that I missed your post.

When I ran that test, I
failed to restart, so the Kb891711 patch was not running during the
test. I re-ran things. With older version of the Intel drivers,
Kb891711 causes crashes on Megumi, but not on Naomi. With the newer
version of the Intel drivers, Kb891711 causes crashes on Megumi, but
not on Naomi.


So Naomi doesn't blue screen regardless of the driver version but Megumi
crashes regardless of driver version. Thanks for the clarification. I'd
hoped you might have been bringing us closer to a possible reason there.

When I stop the Mercury Mail MTA from running in the
startup group, neither driver causes crashes on Megumi; only the
combination of Mercury Mail and Kb891711 running causes crashes on
Megumi. Oddly, the crashes only occur while launching browsers. It is
a puzzle; and I am considering additional tests by changing the
modules running when the Mercury Mail MTA is launched. I will go to a
bare bones startup; minimal, if you will. If it doesn't cause crashes
I will add back the modules, one by one, until the crashes resume.

--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP




 




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