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Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee
Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB mechanicial hard drive to
another spot on the same drivee I have a 500gig MyBook, USB external drive by WD, and I have to move 80 gigs from a FAT32 primary partition to a FAT32 logical partition, to make a slot for a new bootable primary partition, since I'm only allowed 3 and I already have 2. (Yes, I didn't plan well enough.) A) Is there some clever partitioning program that can just leave the data in place and make it into a new logical partion within a new extended partition? Even thought this data is at the beginning of the drive? I have no extended partition now, but would have to make one somewhere for sure. B) If A won't work and I have to move the data, which would be faster: 1) to copy the data from the current partition to the new logical partition, or 2) to copy the data to a folder or new partition in my internal drive, an 80 Gig, WD PATA drive; and then copy it back again. I've gotten the impression the second might be faster and easeier, because to copy from one place to another on the same drive means an awful lot of head/tone arm movement, back and forth, back and forth; but to use two drives leaves the head in almost the same place all the time, just moving graduallly through the partition. That it might be so much better it woudl be better to make the move twice, to the other drive and back again, than to do so on one drive. I have one gig of ram though I could put in another 500 meg of ram if it will help. I have USB2. What should I do? Thanks. |
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Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee
Move is move it all take time, The more GB you move,
The more time it takes... And your ram is just fine! (Yes, we all didn't plan well enough the first time) [And when we thank are plan are just right... We see we needed to plan just a little bit more!] "mm" wrote in message ... Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB mechanicial hard drive to another spot on the same drivee I have a 500gig MyBook, USB external drive by WD, and I have to move 80 gigs from a FAT32 primary partition to a FAT32 logical partition, to make a slot for a new bootable primary partition, since I'm only allowed 3 and I already have 2. (Yes, I didn't plan well enough.) A) Is there some clever partitioning program that can just leave the data in place and make it into a new logical partion within a new extended partition? Even thought this data is at the beginning of the drive? I have no extended partition now, but would have to make one somewhere for sure. B) If A won't work and I have to move the data, which would be faster: 1) to copy the data from the current partition to the new logical partition, or 2) to copy the data to a folder or new partition in my internal drive, an 80 Gig, WD PATA drive; and then copy it back again. I've gotten the impression the second might be faster and easeier, because to copy from one place to another on the same drive means an awful lot of head/tone arm movement, back and forth, back and forth; but to use two drives leaves the head in almost the same place all the time, just moving graduallly through the partition. That it might be so much better it woudl be better to make the move twice, to the other drive and back again, than to do so on one drive. I have one gig of ram though I could put in another 500 meg of ram if it will help. I have USB2. What should I do? Thanks. |
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Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee
mm wrote:
Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB mechanicial hard drive to another spot on the same drivee I have a 500gig MyBook, USB external drive by WD, and I have to move 80 gigs from a FAT32 primary partition to a FAT32 logical partition, to make a slot for a new bootable primary partition, since I'm only allowed 3 and I already have 2. (Yes, I didn't plan well enough.) It doesn't look to me you are creating a slot with either of the plans you propose. You have to move the Primary Partition into an existing Extended Partition -- not create a new one. An Extended Partition is itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a container for multiple Logical Partitions. The Extended Partition counts toward the maximum of four Primary Partitions that are allowable per hard disk. You actually can have multiple Extended Partitions, but it makes no sense. You really just want one container holding a bunch of Logicals. What currently is on the hard drive in addition to the 2 Primaries? You are allowed 4 Primaries, one of which may be an Extended Partition container. A) Is there some clever partitioning program that can just leave the data in place and make it into a new logical partion within a new extended partition? Even thought this data is at the beginning of the drive? I have no extended partition now, but would have to make one somewhere for sure. B) If A won't work and I have to move the data, which would be faster: 1) to copy the data from the current partition to the new logical partition, or 2) to copy the data to a folder or new partition in my internal drive, an 80 Gig, WD PATA drive; and then copy it back again. I've gotten the impression the second might be faster and easeier, because to copy from one place to another on the same drive means an awful lot of head/tone arm movement, back and forth, back and forth; but to use two drives leaves the head in almost the same place all the time, just moving graduallly through the partition. That it might be so much better it woudl be better to make the move twice, to the other drive and back again, than to do so on one drive. I have one gig of ram though I could put in another 500 meg of ram if it will help. I have USB2. What should I do? Thanks. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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"PCR" wrote:
[.......] An Extended Partition is itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a container for multiple Logical Partitions.... Perhaps "non-booting" would be a better term than "non-bootable" because an OS within a logical drive inside an Extended Partition can be booted using the boot loader (e.g. ntldr for WinNT/2K/XP) that can be in the Boot Sector of any one of the Primary Partitions. IOW, in WinXP, one can have the MBR of the drive with the highest boot priority (the "boot drive") pass control to the Primary Partition marked "active" on that drive, and the boot.ini boot menu in that active partition can point to an OS residing in ANY partition - including a logical drive within the Extended Partition - and boot load that OS. I expect that the same flexibility exists for WinVista and Win7. The restriction imposed on OSes residing on logical drives within Extended Partitions is that their boot loader must be on one of the Primary Partitions. The implication of this is that an OS clone can reside anywhere in the system - on any partition (Primary or Extended) and on any enabled internal hard drive - and it can be booted to running status without an intermediate "restoration" step needed for OS "images". I believe this also includes external eSATA hard drives if the motherboard has an eSATA controller. *TimDaniels* |
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Timothy Daniels wrote:
"PCR" wrote: [.......] An Extended Partition is itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a container for multiple Logical Partitions.... Perhaps "non-booting" would be a better term than "non-bootable" because an OS within a logical drive inside an Extended Partition can be booted using the boot loader (e.g. ntldr for WinNT/2K/XP) that can be in the Boot Sector of any one of the Primary Partitions. IOW, in WinXP, one can have the MBR of the drive with the highest boot priority (the "boot drive") pass control to the Primary Partition marked "active" on that drive, and the boot.ini boot menu in that active partition can point to an OS residing in ANY partition - including a logical drive within the Extended Partition - and boot load that OS. I expect that the same flexibility exists for WinVista and Win7. The restriction imposed on OSes residing on logical drives within Extended Partitions is that their boot loader must be on one of the Primary Partitions. The implication of this is that an OS clone can reside anywhere in the system - on any partition (Primary or Extended) and on any enabled internal hard drive - and it can be booted to running status without an intermediate "restoration" step needed for OS "images". I believe this also includes external eSATA hard drives if the motherboard has an eSATA controller. *TimDaniels* I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to learn all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm mentioned his OS. Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard drive to boot, which may be a consideration.) Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to stick around! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee
You say:: read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard drive
to boot, my have on one Computer at:: Root ( C: ) 524 MB, win98 (D 18.8 GB, and win2000 18.6 GB so that makes 98 at the first 524 MB on # 2 Computer I test the Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB and start the Root at 10 GB Give me today's a testing and we see if that right! "PCR" wrote in message ... cut-out-&-Paste I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to learn all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm mentioned his OS. Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard drive to boot, which may be a consideration.) Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to stick around! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:11:52 -0400, "PCR" wrote:
Timothy Daniels wrote: "PCR" wrote: [.......] An Extended Partition is itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a container for multiple Logical Partitions.... Perhaps "non-booting" would be a better term than "non-bootable" because an OS within a logical drive inside an Extended Partition can be booted using the boot loader (e.g. ntldr for WinNT/2K/XP) that can be in the Boot Sector of any one of the Primary Partitions. IOW, in WinXP, one can have the MBR of the drive with the highest boot priority (the "boot drive") pass control to the Primary Partition marked "active" on that drive, and the boot.ini boot menu in that active partition can point to an OS residing in ANY partition - including a logical drive within the Extended Partition - and boot load that OS. I expect that the same flexibility exists for WinVista and Win7. The restriction imposed on OSes residing on logical drives within Extended Partitions is that their boot loader must be on one of the Primary Partitions. The implication of this is that an OS clone can reside anywhere in the system - on any partition (Primary or Extended) and on any enabled internal hard drive - and it can be booted to running status without an intermediate "restoration" step needed for OS "images". I believe this also includes external eSATA hard drives if the motherboard has an eSATA controller. *TimDaniels* I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to learn all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm mentioned his OS. I was only concerned about efficient ways to copy files. The question of how to boot occurs to me at times, but my head starts to spin and I have to lie down. Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard drive to boot, which may be a consideration.) Win98 definitely had more rules than XP, but when I lay down, they all drained out of my head via my ears. Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to stick around! Currently no computer I have can boot from USB. I was a couple weeks ago repairing an 18-month old netbook that could, and it was very convenient, since it had no CD drive or floppy drive. |
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Hot-Text wrote:
You say:: read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard drive to boot, my have on one Computer at:: Root ( C: ) 524 MB, win98 (D 18.8 GB, and win2000 18.6 GB so that makes 98 at the first 524 MB Are C: & D: on the same hard drive? Then that would prove there's a way around the problem, if you can boot D:. on # 2 Computer I test the Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB and start the Root at 10 GB Give me today's a testing and we see if that right! All right. But don't take any big chances testing it just for me. I mean that! "PCR" wrote in message ... cut-out-&-Paste I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to learn all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm mentioned his OS. Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard drive to boot, which may be a consideration.) Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to stick around! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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Are C: & D: on the same hard drive? YES
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mm wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:11:52 -0400, "PCR" wrote: Timothy Daniels wrote: "PCR" wrote: [.......] An Extended Partition is itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a container for multiple Logical Partitions.... Perhaps "non-booting" would be a better term than "non-bootable" because an OS within a logical drive inside an Extended Partition can be booted using the boot loader (e.g. ntldr for WinNT/2K/XP) that can be in the Boot Sector of any one of the Primary Partitions. IOW, in WinXP, one can have the MBR of the drive with the highest boot priority (the "boot drive") pass control to the Primary Partition marked "active" on that drive, and the boot.ini boot menu in that active partition can point to an OS residing in ANY partition - including a logical drive within the Extended Partition - and boot load that OS. I expect that the same flexibility exists for WinVista and Win7. The restriction imposed on OSes residing on logical drives within Extended Partitions is that their boot loader must be on one of the Primary Partitions. The implication of this is that an OS clone can reside anywhere in the system - on any partition (Primary or Extended) and on any enabled internal hard drive - and it can be booted to running status without an intermediate "restoration" step needed for OS "images". I believe this also includes external eSATA hard drives if the motherboard has an eSATA controller. *TimDaniels* I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to learn all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm mentioned his OS. I was only concerned about efficient ways to copy files. The question of how to boot occurs to me at times, but my head starts to spin and I have to lie down. Something's gone wrong! The hard drive is supposed to spin -- not your head! Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard drive to boot, which may be a consideration.) Win98 definitely had more rules than XP, but when I lay down, they all drained out of my head via my ears. Uh-huh. Could be they changed the rules, & the NTLDR method may allow it now. Hot-text is running a test. In the meantime, look under your cot to see what's under there. Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to stick around! Currently no computer I have can boot from USB. I was a couple weeks ago repairing an 18-month old netbook that could, and it was very convenient, since it had no CD drive or floppy drive. That would be convenient, then; yeah. So -- why do you want another slot for a Primary Partition? I was presuming you wanted a partition that would boot. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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