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  #1  
Old January 7th 05, 11:26 PM
Ben Myers
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Default No 98SE 'AutoScan' options

See if there is a "c:\winboot.ini" file. If so, rename or delete it.

Ben

"Kentiguous" wrote in message =
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In Win98SE I've tried the following, in MSDOS.SYS:
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[Options]
AutoScan=3D0
AutoScan=3D1
AutoScan=3D2
=20
Whichever option I specify, Scandisk will automatically scan, after an
incomplete shutdown (AutoScan=3D2). Is there any way to make the other
options usable (I'd like to use AutoScan=3D1 ('ask the user'), if
possible).
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Old January 8th 05, 12:43 AM
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http://support.microsoft.com/support.../Q118/5/79.asp
Contents of the Windows Msdos.sys File
......Quote.....
The [Options] section can contain the following settings. You must
manually insert these settings if you want to use them:

• AutoScan=Number
Default: 1
Purpose: Defines whether or not ScanDisk is run after a bad shutdown.
A setting of...
0 does not run ScanDisk;
1 prompts before running ScanDisk;
2 does not prompt before running ScanDisk but prompts you before fixing
errors if any errors are found.
......EOQ........

(1) As Myers said, check for "C:\Winboot.ini". It has the same format as
"C:\MSDOS.sys" & will override it.

(2) Did you look below the filler "xxx..." lines? If you have an
"AutoScan=2" there, it will likely override any above it.

(3) Is it in the [Options] section where it belongs?

(4) I believe I may have read that "AutoScan=1" will not work in Win98.
HMMM: I do know that I am "=1" & it behaves like "=2" just as yours!

(5) Open "C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini" in Notepad, & see what may be
done in there. But I doubt it has what you seek.


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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Kentiguous" wrote in message
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| In Win98SE I've tried the following, in MSDOS.SYS:
|
| [Options]
| AutoScan=0
| AutoScan=1
| AutoScan=2
|
| Whichever option I specify, Scandisk will automatically scan, after an
| incomplete shutdown (AutoScan=2). Is there any way to make the other
| options usable (I'd like to use AutoScan=1 ('ask the user'), if
| possible).
|
| Ken
|
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Old January 10th 05, 02:23 PM
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I would suggest that you leave all ini files alone and let scandisk
complete it's run as only then will it clear the two flags that can not
be ignored at boot up. One flag runs scandisk in standard mode, the
other runs scandisk with manditory surface scan in addition to a
standard 'quick' scan. The setting of these flags takes place at
shutdown and the settings in Msdos.sys apply fully to the setting of
the flags. Only the successful completion of scandisk will clear the
flags.
Win98 Scandisk flag - How Win.com Determines Improper Shutdown
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tre...rt2/wrkc10.asp

If you have other problems the above may work for you anyway?
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=273017

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Old January 13th 05, 04:34 AM
PCR
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I was unaware that "=0" also does not work. I do know that when that
Auto-Scandisk does begin, one may stop it with the SPACEBAR. BUT, as Lee
says, it is best to let Scandisk run, or who knows whether the machine
will boot? The CAVEAT is...

I must warn that Scandisk may not do a great job when there is a
great one to do...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/scandisk.htm
Therefore, perhaps UNcheck "Automatically fix errors" on it's front
screen. It will then ask whether you want each error fixed. If it sounds
truly horrible, say "No!", and post the log. The log will be
"C:\Scandisk.log". Do not let it constantly restart, either. In DOS,
there won't be such a box to uncheck. You must do it in
"C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini", per cquirke's advice.

REALLY, in light of all THAT, the BEST thing to do is to have a full
system backup to run to! Would you like my list of backup apps?


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Kentiguous" wrote in message
...
| PCR wrote :
|
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../Q118/5/79.asp
| Contents of the Windows Msdos.sys File
| .....Quote.....
| The [Options] section can contain the following settings. You must
| manually insert these settings if you want to use them:
|
| • AutoScan=Number
| Default: 1
| Purpose: Defines whether or not ScanDisk is run after a bad shutdown.
| A setting of...
| 0 does not run ScanDisk;
| 1 prompts before running ScanDisk;
| 2 does not prompt before running ScanDisk but prompts you before
fixing
| errors if any errors are found.
| .....EOQ........
|
| (1) As Myers said, check for "C:\Winboot.ini". It has the same format
| as "C:\MSDOS.sys" & will override it.
|
| It does not exist, here.
|
| (2) Did you look below the filler "xxx..." lines? If you have an
| "AutoScan=2" there, it will likely override any above it.
|
| Yes, I did, and there are no extraneous entries.
|
| (3) Is it in the [Options] section where it belongs?
|
| Yes, it is.
|
| (4) I believe I may have read that "AutoScan=1" will not work in
Win98.
| HMMM: I do know that I am "=1" & it behaves like "=2" just as yours!
|
| A friend of mine also said he had no luck with either 0, or 1, so it
| looks like we're not the only ones to notice the lack of usable
AutoScan
| options. I sure wish there was a fix for this...
|
| (5) Open "C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini" in Notepad, & see what may
| be done in there. But I doubt it has what you seek.
|
| Will do; But, I suspect you're correct.
|
| Ken
|
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|
| "Kentiguous" wrote in message
| ...
| | In Win98SE I've tried the following, in MSDOS.SYS:
| |
| | [Options]
| | AutoScan=0
| | AutoScan=1
| | AutoScan=2
| |
| | Whichever option I specify, Scandisk will automatically scan, after
| |an
| | incomplete shutdown (AutoScan=2). Is there any way to make the
other
| | options usable (I'd like to use AutoScan=1 ('ask the user'), if
| | possible).
| |
| | Ken
|
|


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Old January 13th 05, 04:13 PM
Ben Myers
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Make sure there are no references to Scandisk in the "c:\autoexec.bat",
"c:\config.sys" or "c:\windows\winstart.bat" files. Also, the =
"c:\winboot.ini"
may have the "Read Only", "Hidden" and "System" attributes set, making
it hard to find and rename.

Ben

"Kentiguous" wrote in message =
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Ben Myers wrote :
See if there is a "c:\winboot.ini" file. If so, rename or delete it.

=20
Ben

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There is no "c:\winboot.ini" file. Thanks for the idea, though.
Does anything else spring to mind?
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"Kentiguous" wrote in message
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In Win98SE I've tried the following, in MSDOS.SYS:

[Options]
AutoScan=3D0
AutoScan=3D1
AutoScan=3D2

Whichever option I specify, Scandisk will automatically scan, after =

an
incomplete shutdown (AutoScan=3D2). Is there any way to make the =

other
options usable (I'd like to use AutoScan=3D1 ('ask the user'), if
possible).

=20
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Old January 14th 05, 03:58 AM
Lee
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AutoScan=0
has been working perfect here for several years now. Gone are the days
when scandisk held me hostage on my own machine, but I will run it
manually when appropriate. I'm thinking scandisk in Windows will also
clear those flags if that helps any. There is an oddity in that DOS
scandisk will sometimes find a problem where Windows version of
scandisk won't and vica versa, so if I'm to run scandisk at all, I try
to run both versions just to be sure. As Hugh Candlin said in a recent
post - 'this is fun, right?'
Hey!! - double check for big O instead of zero there, it needs a zero.

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Old January 14th 05, 04:27 AM
PCR
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That's a good thought about O/0, BUT...

Are you schizoid, perhaps of dual-booting XP? Didn't you just say: "I
would suggest that you leave all ini files alone and let scandisk
complete it's run as only then will it clear the two flags that can not
be ignored at boot up."..?


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Lee" wrote in message
ups.com...
| AutoScan=0
| has been working perfect here for several years now. Gone are the
days
| when scandisk held me hostage on my own machine, but I will run it
| manually when appropriate. I'm thinking scandisk in Windows will also
| clear those flags if that helps any. There is an oddity in that DOS
| scandisk will sometimes find a problem where Windows version of
| scandisk won't and vica versa, so if I'm to run scandisk at all, I try
| to run both versions just to be sure. As Hugh Candlin said in a
recent
| post - 'this is fun, right?'
| Hey!! - double check for big O instead of zero there, it needs a zero.
|


  #8  
Old January 17th 05, 01:11 AM
PCR
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Thanks for the clarification about "=0". I have no inclination to verify
whether it works/not, & will continue to believe it does. And I don't
care what your network administrator may say.

| I wasn't aware that SCANDISK will respect the /CUSTOM settings, when
it
| auto-runs after a bad shutdown. After taking a peek at WIN.COM, I can
| see that it does; thanks for the tip.

Suddenly, I do dimly recall a thread in which there was some contention
over this. "C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini" says...

; -------------------------------------------------------------------
; The [CUSTOM] section determines ScanDisk's behavior when ScanDisk is
; started with the /CUSTOM switch. You can adjust these settings to
; create a customized "version" of ScanDisk. This can be especially
; useful for running ScanDisk from a batch file. The [CUSTOM] settings
a

I'm afraid I don't recall the outcome of the discussion. Personal
experience fails me in the issue, as the only messages I've seen during
an Auto-Scandisk were...

(a) DOS name length, &
(b) Whether/not to save a... lost cluster, I guess.

Although I am set to...

DS_LostClust = Fix ; Internal lost clusters

....I don't know whether it would still ask to save them with that
setting. I do believe it would be DUMB for the Auto-Scandisk to actually
ignore "/Custom" settings. Why provide that kind of control, & THEN not
have the Auto- honor it!

| I wasn't aware that SCANDISK will respect the /CUSTOM settings, when
it
| auto-runs after a bad shutdown. After taking a peek at WIN.COM, I can
| see that it does; thanks for the tip.

What did you see?

| scandisk /ALL /NOSUMMARY
| if not errorlevel 1 goto scend2
| echo Errors found! Press a key to re-scan/fix local drive(s)...
| pausenul
| scandisk /ALL
| :scend2

I don't like the looks of that. The second run will not find any errors.
The first run did not record it's summary. (It may be the summary & the
error report are two different things, though, not sure.)

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Kentiguous" wrote in message
...
| PCR wrote :
| I was unaware that "=0" also does not work. I do know that when that
| Auto-Scandisk does begin, one may stop it with the SPACEBAR. BUT, as
| Lee
| says, it is best to let Scandisk run, or who knows whether the
machine
| will boot? The CAVEAT is...
|
| I must warn that Scandisk may not do a great job when there is a
| great one to do...
|
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/scandisk.htm
| Therefore, perhaps UNcheck "Automatically fix errors" on it's front
| screen. It will then ask whether you want each error fixed. If it
| sounds
| truly horrible, say "No!", and post the log. The log will be
| "C:\Scandisk.log". Do not let it constantly restart, either. In DOS,
| there won't be such a box to uncheck. You must do it in
| "C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini", per cquirke's advice.
|
| I can't personally confirm that AUTOSCAN=0 doesn't work (I was
reporting
| a friend's observations). I wouldn't want to run with that setting;
too
| dangerous for me! BTW, A network administrator recently reported that,
| on some of his machines, the various AUTOSCAN options work, and on
| others, they don't...
|
| I am aware that Scandisk can really mangle a disk, and I do have the
| 'Auto' setting turned off, in SCANDSKW. Here's a snippet from my
| SCAN.BAT, for the DOS version:
|
| scandisk /ALL /NOSUMMARY
| if not errorlevel 1 goto scend2
| echo Errors found! Press a key to re-scan/fix local drive(s)...
| pausenul
| scandisk /ALL
| :scend2
|
| My method may seem a little redundant, but, since I almost never
| experience disk errors, it's a time-saver, for me.
|
| I wasn't aware that SCANDISK will respect the /CUSTOM settings, when
it
| auto-runs after a bad shutdown. After taking a peek at WIN.COM, I can
| see that it does; thanks for the tip.
|
| REALLY, in light of all THAT, the BEST thing to do is to have a full
| system backup to run to! Would you like my list of backup apps?
|
| I'm using Norton Ghost, here (with two copies of each image). But,
sure,
| I'd like to take a look at your list. Thanks again, PCR.
|
| Ken
|
| --
| Remove the '4' to reply via email
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "Kentiguous" wrote in message
| ...
| | PCR wrote :
| | http://support.microsoft.com/support.../Q118/5/79.asp
| | Contents of the Windows Msdos.sys File
| | .....Quote.....
| | The [Options] section can contain the following settings. You must
| | manually insert these settings if you want to use them:
| |
| | • AutoScan=Number
| | Default: 1
| | Purpose: Defines whether or not ScanDisk is run after a bad
| shutdown.
| | A setting of...
| | 0 does not run ScanDisk;
| | 1 prompts before running ScanDisk;
| | 2 does not prompt before running ScanDisk but prompts you before
| fixing
| | errors if any errors are found.
| | .....EOQ........
| |
| | (1) As Myers said, check for "C:\Winboot.ini". It has the same
| format
| | as "C:\MSDOS.sys" & will override it.
| |
| | It does not exist, here.
| |
| | (2) Did you look below the filler "xxx..." lines? If you have an
| | "AutoScan=2" there, it will likely override any above it.
| |
| | Yes, I did, and there are no extraneous entries.
| |
| | (3) Is it in the [Options] section where it belongs?
| |
| | Yes, it is.
| |
| | (4) I believe I may have read that "AutoScan=1" will not work in
| Win98.
| | HMMM: I do know that I am "=1" & it behaves like "=2" just as
yours!
| |
| | A friend of mine also said he had no luck with either 0, or 1, so i
t
| | looks like we're not the only ones to notice the lack of usable
| AutoScan
| | options. I sure wish there was a fix for this...
| |
| | (5) Open "C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini" in Notepad, & see what
| may
| | be done in there. But I doubt it has what you seek.
| |
| | Will do; But, I suspect you're correct.
| |
| | Ken
| |
| | --
| | Remove the '4' to reply via email
| |
| | "Kentiguous" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | In Win98SE I've tried the following, in MSDOS.SYS:
| | |
| | | [Options]
| | | AutoScan=0
| | | AutoScan=1
| | | AutoScan=2
| | |
| | | Whichever option I specify, Scandisk will automatically scan,
| after
| | |an
| | | incomplete shutdown (AutoScan=2). Is there any way to make the
| other
| | | options usable (I'd like to use AutoScan=1 ('ask the user'), if
| | | possible).
| | |
| | | Ken
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|


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Old January 17th 05, 01:19 AM
PCR
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| (4) I believe I may have read that "AutoScan=1" will not work in
Win98.
| HMMM: I do know that I am "=1" & it behaves like "=2" just as yours!

Geez. I think I am behaving like the "=1" I am. It doesn't ask whether
it should FIX a lost cluster. It JUST ASKS whether it should SAVE it.

Anyway, I'm sure I've read "=2" does not work for Win98 (or was it SE)?


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"PCR" wrote in message
...
|
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../Q118/5/79.asp
| Contents of the Windows Msdos.sys File
| .....Quote.....
| The [Options] section can contain the following settings. You must
| manually insert these settings if you want to use them:
|
| • AutoScan=Number
| Default: 1
| Purpose: Defines whether or not ScanDisk is run after a bad shutdown.
| A setting of...
| 0 does not run ScanDisk;
| 1 prompts before running ScanDisk;
| 2 does not prompt before running ScanDisk but prompts you before
fixing
| errors if any errors are found.
| .....EOQ........
|
| (1) As Myers said, check for "C:\Winboot.ini". It has the same format
as
| "C:\MSDOS.sys" & will override it.
|
| (2) Did you look below the filler "xxx..." lines? If you have an
| "AutoScan=2" there, it will likely override any above it.
|
| (3) Is it in the [Options] section where it belongs?
|
| (4) I believe I may have read that "AutoScan=1" will not work in
Win98.
| HMMM: I do know that I am "=1" & it behaves like "=2" just as yours!
|
| (5) Open "C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini" in Notepad, & see what may
be
| done in there. But I doubt it has what you seek.
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "Kentiguous" wrote in message
| ...
| | In Win98SE I've tried the following, in MSDOS.SYS:
| |
| | [Options]
| | AutoScan=0
| | AutoScan=1
| | AutoScan=2
| |
| | Whichever option I specify, Scandisk will automatically scan, after
an
| | incomplete shutdown (AutoScan=2). Is there any way to make the other
| | options usable (I'd like to use AutoScan=1 ('ask the user'), if
| | possible).
| |
| | Ken
| |
| | --
| | Remove the '4' to reply via email
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|


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Old January 21st 05, 12:56 AM
PCR
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| http://support.microsoft.com/support.../Q118/5/79.asp
| Contents of the Windows Msdos.sys File
| .....Quote.....
| The [Options] section can contain the following settings. You must
| manually insert these settings if you want to use them:
|
| • AutoScan=Number
| Default: 1
| Purpose: Defines whether or not ScanDisk is run after a bad shutdown.
| A setting of...
| 0 does not run ScanDisk;
| 1 prompts before running ScanDisk;
| 2 does not prompt before running ScanDisk but prompts you before
fixing
| errors if any errors are found.
| .....EOQ........

I think I'm going batty now. Am I an "=1", or am I an "=2"...?...

Auto-Scandisk does NOT ask whether it should run. It doesn't appear to
ask whether it should FIX an error, either. It ONLY asks whether it
should SAVE a lost cluster/whatever, after it's presumably already been
fixed. OTOH, it is possible, in the case of a lost cluster/whatever,
there is no fixing involved. It's either save the lost one or don't save
it. THEREFORE...

My FINAL belief is... I am an "=2", which is what I first said (I
think). And, should there be a fix involved, I presume I will be asked.
That's only polite! WELL, the settings in Scandisk.ini likely do come
into play, & will be the ultimate decider. In that case, it better be
true that /CUSTOM applies to the Auto-Scandisk.

HOWEVER, my setting in MSDOS.sys is "=1". THEREFORE, it is "=1" that is
the illusion.

| Can anyone else confirm this?

Where on earth is cquirke or Blanton?


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I don't even want to know,
DON'T TELL ME!),
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Kentiguous" wrote in message
...
| PCR wrote :
| | (4) I believe I may have read that "AutoScan=1" will not work in
| Win98.
| | HMMM: I do know that I am "=1" & it behaves like "=2" just as
yours!
|
| Geez. I think I am behaving like the "=1" I am. It doesn't ask
whether
| it should FIX a lost cluster. It JUST ASKS whether it should SAVE it.
|
| Please see my other post.
|
| Anyway, I'm sure I've read "=2" does not work for Win98 (or was it
SE)?
|
| Can anyone else confirm this?
|
| Ken
|
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