Will a new harddrive work witn win98SE?

mm wrote:

Are any of the external, or if need be internal, harddrives that
are sold at stores these days work with win98SE?

I don't use external hard drives so I'm not going to comment about them.

Brand-new internal hard drives are very much still compatible with
windows 98.

There are two basic technologies for (internal) hard drives that you
will find on store shelved:

1) IDE (also known as PATA or Parallel-ATA)
2) SATA (Serial ATA).

IDE drives have a connector for a wide ribbon cable (about 2" wide).
This is the traditional type of hard drive that PC's have since about
1990. Most CD and DVD drives were also of this type and many still are,
but the SATA interface is more widely available for them for maybe only
the past 2 years.

Prior to about 2005 or 2006, you didn't see many SATA drives, and many
computers did not have motherboards with SATA controllers. But now you
have more choice in SATA drives compared to IDE. SATA drives usually
have a narrow cable (usually red) about 1/2" wide.

Most likely if you have a computer that came with windows 98 installed
on it, you will not have a SATA controller and your only choice will be
IDE.

For technical reasons, Windows 98 will not properly handle an IDE hard
driver larger than 128 GB. Even if you have a large drive and divide it
into smaller partitions (each under 128 gb) that will not help. A
common size for hard drives is 160 GB. If you buy a 160 GB IDE hard
drive, when you format and partition it, you must only partition the
first 128 gb and leave the rest as un-used.

I know that the MP3 player I bought two years ago said it
required XP, but that was just if I wanted to use special
features. As long as I only wanted to copy files to it from
a PC using Windows Exploer, that worked fine.

Yes, usually MP3 players appear as USB thumb drives to the computer.

... I have installed winXP.

Some have already told you that XP uses (by default) the NTFS file
system. Windows 98 uses only the FAT32 file system. The two file
systems are very different. XP can be installed on and read both types,
but Win-98 is only compatible with FAT32.

You seem to have installed XP on the existing FAT-32 file system on the
secondary partition of your existing hard drive. There is nothing wrong
with installing XP on a FAT32-formatted drive, and in fact there are
many advantages that many people either don't understand or want to
simply ignore or depreciate because they believe the added complexity
and overhead of NTFS is somehow beneficial to them.

I would recommend that you obtain a new 160 gb hard drive, and format it
with 2 partitions (primary and extended) each being 60 gb in size and
each being FAT32.

You will be able to move your existing hard drive to the secondary
position and you can format it any way you want. It will be available
as D: drive. By the way, what is the size of your existing drive?

Install Windows 98 on the C: partition first, then install XP on the D:
partition.

The store had a 500 Gig externnal drive for only 90 dollars.
It's soooo big. Any chance I can use it with win98.

External hard drives are slow compared to internal hard drives.

Someone else here will have to tell you their experience with connecting
external USB hard drive to Windows 98. I don't think you will be happy
with the answer.

I want to reply to two of the posts, but first let me say that it's
working, so don't feel obliged to write any more to help me out.

I'll give details in one of the other replies.

Thanks for all the help.


On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:02:10 -0400, mm
wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:49:19 -0500, philo
wrote:

mm wrote:
Are any of the external, or if need be internal, harddrives that are
sold at stores these days work with win98SE?

I know that the MP3 player I bought two years ago said it required XP,
but that was just if I wanted to use special features. As long as I
only wanted to copy files to it from a PC using Windows Exploer, that
worked fine.

So I'm hoping that these harddrives will really work fine with 98SE.


I confess, I admit, I throw myself on the mercy of the ng, that I have
strayed, I have followed the desolute path, and I have installed
winXP.

It's in partition D: on the same harddrive, and it has stopped
working. I can almost complete booting, I get to the blue screen that
follows the welcome screen, the screen that should get a set of icons
and a taskbar if it would finish booting, but it doesn't. It stops
there.

So I log into win98SE on the other partition, and I can see the
directory structure of D fine, and probably all the files but one are
fine. The XP people said I should consider doing a Repair Install,
and I should back up XP before I reistall. I have backed up the data
from win98, but I need a bigger hd to do the whole partitions.

The store had a 500 Gig externnal drive for only 90 dollars. It's
soooo big. Any chance I can use it with win98. Is there Any brand I
can find at a store or order online that will work like this.

Thanks a lot.

Though an external drive should work with win98 there are a number of
potential problems:


Unless the manufacture specifically says it will work with Win98
there is the possibility you will need to use so called "generic"
drivers. Chances are there are some available...but there is no
guarantee of course.

Thanks for replying and so quickly. Should I look on the Western
Digital webpage for something like that? If not there, is there a
more precise desciptor than gneeric driver.

Or would this be in WIN98SE already?

?Additionally, the preferred file system for XP is NTFS...
but win98 cannot recognize an NTFS partition, so you will need to create
at least one Fat32 partition on the drive.

I used Fat32 in the first place, so I could read my XP data from 98.
In fact I still have Eudora and Agent in the C: partition and use the
same files whether I am in winXP or 98. I can't tell the difference.

Finally, if your machine does not have USB2 capabilities,
you will really need to add a USB2 card. Accessing a lot of data with a
USB1 connection will be frustratingly slow.

Hopefully, I will only have to do this once.

I have 35 gigs total, but I'm in no hurry. It can run all day or all
night afaict.

Before you do anything, I'd run the mfg's diagnostic on your current
drive...because if it's failing...the smartest thing do do would be to
replace it...and not worry about an external drive at this time

Good point. This presumably single file that keeps xp from starting
is the only file I have had trouble with. But I will run the
diagnostics as you say.

I want to reply to two of the posts, but first let me say that it's
working, so don't feel obliged to write any more to help me out.

I'll give details in one of the other replies.

Thanks for all the help.


On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:02:10 -0400, mm
wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:49:19 -0500, philo
wrote:

mm wrote:
Are any of the external, or if need be internal, harddrives that are
sold at stores these days work with win98SE?

I know that the MP3 player I bought two years ago said it required XP,
but that was just if I wanted to use special features. As long as I
only wanted to copy files to it from a PC using Windows Exploer, that
worked fine.

So I'm hoping that these harddrives will really work fine with 98SE.


I confess, I admit, I throw myself on the mercy of the ng, that I have
strayed, I have followed the desolute path, and I have installed
winXP.

It's in partition D: on the same harddrive, and it has stopped
working. I can almost complete booting, I get to the blue screen that
follows the welcome screen, the screen that should get a set of icons
and a taskbar if it would finish booting, but it doesn't. It stops
there.

So I log into win98SE on the other partition, and I can see the
directory structure of D fine, and probably all the files but one are
fine. The XP people said I should consider doing a Repair Install,
and I should back up XP before I reistall. I have backed up the data
from win98, but I need a bigger hd to do the whole partitions.

The store had a 500 Gig externnal drive for only 90 dollars. It's
soooo big. Any chance I can use it with win98. Is there Any brand I
can find at a store or order online that will work like this.

Thanks a lot.

Though an external drive should work with win98 there are a number of
potential problems:


Unless the manufacture specifically says it will work with Win98
there is the possibility you will need to use so called "generic"
drivers. Chances are there are some available...but there is no
guarantee of course.

Thanks for replying and so quickly. Should I look on the Western
Digital webpage for something like that? If not there, is there a
more precise desciptor than gneeric driver.

Or would this be in WIN98SE already?

?Additionally, the preferred file system for XP is NTFS...
but win98 cannot recognize an NTFS partition, so you will need to create
at least one Fat32 partition on the drive.

I used Fat32 in the first place, so I could read my XP data from 98.
In fact I still have Eudora and Agent in the C: partition and use the
same files whether I am in winXP or 98. I can't tell the difference.

Finally, if your machine does not have USB2 capabilities,
you will really need to add a USB2 card. Accessing a lot of data with a
USB1 connection will be frustratingly slow.

Hopefully, I will only have to do this once.

I have 35 gigs total, but I'm in no hurry. It can run all day or all
night afaict.

Before you do anything, I'd run the mfg's diagnostic on your current
drive...because if it's failing...the smartest thing do do would be to
replace it...and not worry about an external drive at this time

Good point. This presumably single file that keeps xp from starting
is the only file I have had trouble with. But I will run the
diagnostics as you say.

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:46:58 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , mm
writes:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:49:19 -0500, philo
wrote:

mm wrote:
Are any of the external, or if need be internal, harddrives that are
sold at stores these days work with win98SE?

As philo said, it's chancy.

Well, I have only copied 30 files but it looks like it's working OK!

For anyone else who might want to know, it's a Western Digital My Book
Essential Edition 500 GB USB extrernal hard drive. It's meant to
stand up like a book, about the size or a big paperback book.

And only 86 dollars plus tax at Best Buys (or probably anywhere but
they are close to me.

I know that the MP3 player I bought two years ago said it required XP,
but that was just if I wanted to use special features. As long as I
only wanted to copy files to it from a PC using Windows Exploer, that
worked fine.

Interesting. Most things in '98 - certainly those that look like drives,
as this is doing - need some sort of driver to be installed. Did you
load anything specifically to access the mp3 player?

It's been 18 months and I don't remember. There was a little CD with
the player. I guess that was it. I had Windows ME in the laptop,
but that was not enough for the the box or the instructions iirc. But
I didnt' want to do anything fancy. I just copied mp3 files or some
other format to the MP3 player and played them.

If not, had you
done so in the past (to access a pen drive, say, or perhaps a camera, or
card reader), which might be what the mp3 player is using?
[]
Though an external drive should work with win98 there are a number of
potential problems:


Unless the manufacture specifically says it will work with Win98
there is the possibility you will need to use so called "generic"
drivers. Chances are there are some available...but there is no
guarantee of course.

Thanks for replying and so quickly. Should I look on the Western
Digital webpage for something like that? If not there, is there a
more precise desciptor than gneeric driver.

There are two (that I know of) generic driversets.

One, known as the universal USB driver for Windows 98 or something very
like that, I have differing experience with. It tells you to remove any
USB drivers you may already have on the machine. Since I was reluctant
to remove something that was working (with a different drive), I didn't,
and it gave me some grief (I can't remember exactly what); on other
machines I have installed it in "from scratch", it has worked fine. Like
most USB drivers (at least under '98), it recommends installing the
driver _before_ connecting the hardware.

The other one I know of is from an Italian (.it) site. It is a .zip
file, which you unzip to a folder, but unlike most others you don't
install it before connecting the hardware; instead, you connect the
hardware, and when Windows says new hardware found and asks you what
driver to use, you point it at the folder you unzipped into. I haven't
played with that one.

Thanks for posting all this. I'm sorry it took me so long to get
back. I went to the Western Digital site to try to find something, and
they even had Help based on OS and when I chose win98 it formatted a
search and found Nothing.


Best Buys had said I could return it even if I opened it. She
couldn't tell me if they would resell it as new, and I was reluctant
to buy it and return it if I they might lose money on it. She said
they always tested returns, so I figured the odds I would hurt it were
small, and they would end up reselling it as new.

But it was covered with plastic and in a separate plastic bag. I just
cut a hole through each and plugged the power and usb in.

Almost immediately Windows started to install a driver with the normal
screens. Oh yeah, you say that win98SE doesn't have much/any usb, but
years ago you guys told me what to install for other USB things I have
(like the internal harddrive in a case, but that is only 857Megs)

So it installed the driver in less than a minute and then gave error
messages. It turns out there is software on the HD already and it
was trying to run, but it seems to require 2000, XP, or Vista.

But not the harddrive. Why do they label it like this? Don't they
lose sales?

Then I made a couple subdirectories (It's already formatted FAT32) and
tried to copy D, but it refused. Gradually I figured out what I
already knew. YOu can't copy the partition letter. You have to go one
level lower and copy all the files and directories.

I still had the covers on so I wanted to stop and remove them, but the
Disconnect USB Device kept saying, "May not disconnect now. Try
later" I kept closing programs but the message never went away,
so I turned the computer off.

AFAIK neither set is obtainable from a disc manufacturer's site; someone
here'll hopefully post where to get them. If the external drive you're
thinking of - including the USB gubbins, not just the drive inside it -
is made by Western Digital, then certainly check their 'site to see if
there is a '98 driver; I haven't _heard_ of any of the mainstream drive
manufacturers doing a USB driver for '98, but it doesn't hurt to look.

Or would this be in WIN98SE already?

No, there's very little USB support in '98SE. (Though as I've said, your
system must have _something_ - though I suspect _not_ part of the
original OS - if you can see your mp3 player as a drive. [Do you get the

Right.

"safely eject" icon in your system tray - something with a green arrow
on - when it is connected? Not that its absence proves anything - I
don't get it on one of my PCs, even though it works fine with two of my
flash drives, for which I must have installed drivers at some time.)

Yes, I get the icon. But last night I tried to use an internal HD in
a case. Someone gave me the HD and I bought the case online, and it
worked fine 9 months ago when I backed win98 up, but this time, it
generated the icon, but no evidence I could find that there was a
harddrive there. Not in PowerDesk or Windows Exp.

?Additionally, the preferred file system for XP is NTFS...
but win98 cannot recognize an NTFS partition, so you will need to create
at least one Fat32 partition on the drive.

I used Fat32 in the first place, so I could read my XP data from 98.

I would use FAT32 too - same reason.
[]
Good point. This presumably single file that keeps xp from starting
is the only file I have had trouble with. But I will run the
diagnostics as you say.

Have you tried safe mode (I _think_ XP has something like safe mode), or
the XP recovery console, to restore a restore point?

You may be sorry you asked that question! If you have an solution
for me that is good, but the current plan is to do a Restore Install
of XP.

Trying to Start in Safe Mode yielded the question, roughtly: Do you
want to Restore? When I said No, I got a blank black screeen with
"Safe Mode" in all four corners and a file name in something on the
top line.
When I said Yes, I got a mesage roughly that:
Restore cannot protect my computer.

Trying to Start with last Working Configuration gave the same results.

Trying to start in debugging mode gave the same results with no
indication of why it is called debugging mode. (OH, I see now it uses
another computer and a serial cable. I don't have that setup.)

Trying to start with the Directory Service Restore Mode gave the same
result as a nomral start iirc. It says that is for Windows-based
domain controllers, but I don't know what that means or if I have them
or not.

When I start with Safe Mode, it displays a list of files started and
the last one shown relates to "Loaded driver amdagp.sys", which is
also in the boot log and is the last succesful load before all the
"Did not load driver" lines. Although I learned in win98, it could
do a lot of things without displaying anything

I can't find anything equivalent to win98 step-by-step booting. I
miss that.


Here is the start of the ntbtlog.txt, 24 successful lines, followed by
hundreds of "Did not load driver" lines with occasional lines
interspersed like:
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\rdbss.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb.sys

--start log--
Service Pack 3 5 25 2009 19:15:54.500
Loaded driver \WINDOWS\system32\ntoskrnl.exe
Loaded driver \WINDOWS\system32\hal.dll
Loaded driver \WINDOWS\system32\KDCOM.DLL
Loaded driver \WINDOWS\system32\BOOTVID.dll
Loaded driver ACPI.sys
Loaded driver \WINDOWS\System32\DRIVERS\WMILIB.SYS
Loaded driver pci.sys
Loaded driver isapnp.sys
Loaded driver viaide.sys
Loaded driver \WINDOWS\System32\DRIVERS\PCIIDEX.SYS
Loaded driver MountMgr.sys
Loaded driver ftdisk.sys
Loaded driver PartMgr.sys
Loaded driver VolSnap.sys
Loaded driver atapi.sys
Loaded driver disk.sys
Loaded driver \WINDOWS\System32\DRIVERS\CLASSPNP.SYS
Loaded driver fltmgr.sys
Loaded driver sr.sys
Loaded driver Fastfat.sys
Loaded driver KSecDD.sys
Loaded driver NDIS.sys
Loaded driver Mup.sys
Loaded driver amdagp.sys
Did not load driver Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI)
PC
Did not load driver Audio Codecs
Did not load driver Legacy Audio Drivers
Did not load driver Media Control Devices
Did not load driver Legacy Video Capture Devices
,,,,

In the middle a few lines like
.....
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\rdbss.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb.sys
.....
amongst hundreds of other "Did not load driver" lines.


And finally, the final lines of the log a
.....
Loaded driver Fastfat.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\Cdfs.SYS
Did not load driver Processor
Did not load driver ECP Printer Port
Did not load driver Communications Port
Did not load driver Communications Port
Did not load driver CMI8738/C3DX PCI Audio Device
Did not load driver ATI Technologies Inc. 3D RAGE II+ PCI
Did not load driver Audio Codecs
Did not load driver Legacy Audio Drivers
Did not load driver Media Control Devices
Did not load driver Legacy Video Capture Devices
Did not load driver Video Codecs
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\ndisuio.sys
--end log--

Thanks for looking at this anyhow. No one in the XP group had a
really clever suggestion, only to reinstall, with some suggestions
about the best way to do that.

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:46:58 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , mm
writes:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:49:19 -0500, philo
wrote:

mm wrote:
Are any of the external, or if need be internal, harddrives that are
sold at stores these days work with win98SE?

As philo said, it's chancy.

Well, I have only copied 30 files but it looks like it's working OK!

For anyone else who might want to know, it's a Western Digital My Book
Essential Edition 500 GB USB extrernal hard drive. It's meant to
stand up like a book, about the size or a big paperback book.

And only 86 dollars plus tax at Best Buys (or probably anywhere but
they are close to me.

I know that the MP3 player I bought two years ago said it required XP,
but that was just if I wanted to use special features. As long as I
only wanted to copy files to it from a PC using Windows Exploer, that
worked fine.

Interesting. Most things in '98 - certainly those that look like drives,
as this is doing - need some sort of driver to be installed. Did you
load anything specifically to access the mp3 player?

It's been 18 months and I don't remember. There was a little CD with
the player. I guess that was it. I had Windows ME in the laptop,
but that was not enough for the the box or the instructions iirc. But
I didnt' want to do anything fancy. I just copied mp3 files or some
other format to the MP3 player and played them.

If not, had you
done so in the past (to access a pen drive, say, or perhaps a camera, or
card reader), which might be what the mp3 player is using?
[]
Though an external drive should work with win98 there are a number of
potential problems:


Unless the manufacture specifically says it will work with Win98
there is the possibility you will need to use so called "generic"
drivers. Chances are there are some available...but there is no
guarantee of course.

Thanks for replying and so quickly. Should I look on the Western
Digital webpage for something like that? If not there, is there a
more precise desciptor than gneeric driver.

There are two (that I know of) generic driversets.

One, known as the universal USB driver for Windows 98 or something very
like that, I have differing experience with. It tells you to remove any
USB drivers you may already have on the machine. Since I was reluctant
to remove something that was working (with a different drive), I didn't,
and it gave me some grief (I can't remember exactly what); on other
machines I have installed it in "from scratch", it has worked fine. Like
most USB drivers (at least under '98), it recommends installing the
driver _before_ connecting the hardware.

The other one I know of is from an Italian (.it) site. It is a .zip
file, which you unzip to a folder, but unlike most others you don't
install it before connecting the hardware; instead, you connect the
hardware, and when Windows says new hardware found and asks you what
driver to use, you point it at the folder you unzipped into. I haven't
played with that one.

Thanks for posting all this. I'm sorry it took me so long to get
back. I went to the Western Digital site to try to find something, and
they even had Help based on OS and when I chose win98 it formatted a
search and found Nothing.


Best Buys had said I could return it even if I opened it. She
couldn't tell me if they would resell it as new, and I was reluctant
to buy it and return it if I they might lose money on it. She said
they always tested returns, so I figured the odds I would hurt it were
small, and they would end up reselling it as new.

But it was covered with plastic and in a separate plastic bag. I just
cut a hole through each and plugged the power and usb in.

Almost immediately Windows started to install a driver with the normal
screens. Oh yeah, you say that win98SE doesn't have much/any usb, but
years ago you guys told me what to install for other USB things I have
(like the internal harddrive in a case, but that is only 857Megs)

So it installed the driver in less than a minute and then gave error
messages. It turns out there is software on the HD already and it
was trying to run, but it seems to require 2000, XP, or Vista.

But not the harddrive. Why do they label it like this? Don't they
lose sales?

Then I made a couple subdirectories (It's already formatted FAT32) and
tried to copy D, but it refused. Gradually I figured out what I
already knew. YOu can't copy the partition letter. You have to go one
level lower and copy all the files and directories.

I still had the covers on so I wanted to stop and remove them, but the
Disconnect USB Device kept saying, "May not disconnect now. Try
later" I kept closing programs but the message never went away,
so I turned the computer off.

AFAIK neither set is obtainable from a disc manufacturer's site; someone
here'll hopefully post where to get them. If the external drive you're
thinking of - including the USB gubbins, not just the drive inside it -
is made by Western Digital, then certainly check their 'site to see if
there is a '98 driver; I haven't _heard_ of any of the mainstream drive
manufacturers doing a USB driver for '98, but it doesn't hurt to look.

Or would this be in WIN98SE already?

No, there's very little USB support in '98SE. (Though as I've said, your
system must have _something_ - though I suspect _not_ part of the
original OS - if you can see your mp3 player as a drive. [Do you get the

Right.

"safely eject" icon in your system tray - something with a green arrow
on - when it is connected? Not that its absence proves anything - I
don't get it on one of my PCs, even though it works fine with two of my
flash drives, for which I must have installed drivers at some time.)

Yes, I get the icon. But last night I tried to use an internal HD in
a case. Someone gave me the HD and I bought the case online, and it
worked fine 9 months ago when I backed win98 up, but this time, it
generated the icon, but no evidence I could find that there was a
harddrive there. Not in PowerDesk or Windows Exp.

?Additionally, the preferred file system for XP is NTFS...
but win98 cannot recognize an NTFS partition, so you will need to create
at least one Fat32 partition on the drive.

I used Fat32 in the first place, so I could read my XP data from 98.

I would use FAT32 too - same reason.
[]
Good point. This presumably single file that keeps xp from starting
is the only file I have had trouble with. But I will run the
diagnostics as you say.

Have you tried safe mode (I _think_ XP has something like safe mode), or
the XP recovery console, to restore a restore point?

You may be sorry you asked that question! If you have an solution
for me that is good, but the current plan is to do a Restore Install
of XP.

Trying to Start in Safe Mode yielded the question, roughtly: Do you
want to Restore? When I said No, I got a blank black screeen with
"Safe Mode" in all four corners and a file name in something on the
top line.
When I said Yes, I got a mesage roughly that:
Restore cannot protect my computer.

Trying to Start with last Working Configuration gave the same results.

Trying to start in debugging mode gave the same results with no
indication of why it is called debugging mode. (OH, I see now it uses
another computer and a serial cable. I don't have that setup.)

Trying to start with the Directory Service Restore Mode gave the same
result as a nomral start iirc. It says that is for Windows-based
domain controllers, but I don't know what that means or if I have them
or not.

When I start with Safe Mode, it displays a list of files started and
the last one shown relates to "Loaded driver amdagp.sys", which is
also in the boot log and is the last succesful load before all the
"Did not load driver" lines. Although I learned in win98, it could
do a lot of things without displaying anything

I can't find anything equivalent to win98 step-by-step booting. I
miss that.


Here is the start of the ntbtlog.txt, 24 successful lines, followed by
hundreds of "Did not load driver" lines with occasional lines
interspersed like:
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\rdbss.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb.sys

--start log--
Service Pack 3 5 25 2009 19:15:54.500
Loaded driver \WINDOWS\system32\ntoskrnl.exe
Loaded driver \WINDOWS\system32\hal.dll
Loaded driver \WINDOWS\system32\KDCOM.DLL
Loaded driver \WINDOWS\system32\BOOTVID.dll
Loaded driver ACPI.sys
Loaded driver \WINDOWS\System32\DRIVERS\WMILIB.SYS
Loaded driver pci.sys
Loaded driver isapnp.sys
Loaded driver viaide.sys
Loaded driver \WINDOWS\System32\DRIVERS\PCIIDEX.SYS
Loaded driver MountMgr.sys
Loaded driver ftdisk.sys
Loaded driver PartMgr.sys
Loaded driver VolSnap.sys
Loaded driver atapi.sys
Loaded driver disk.sys
Loaded driver \WINDOWS\System32\DRIVERS\CLASSPNP.SYS
Loaded driver fltmgr.sys
Loaded driver sr.sys
Loaded driver Fastfat.sys
Loaded driver KSecDD.sys
Loaded driver NDIS.sys
Loaded driver Mup.sys
Loaded driver amdagp.sys
Did not load driver Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI)
PC
Did not load driver Audio Codecs
Did not load driver Legacy Audio Drivers
Did not load driver Media Control Devices
Did not load driver Legacy Video Capture Devices
,,,,

In the middle a few lines like
.....
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\rdbss.sys
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb.sys
.....
amongst hundreds of other "Did not load driver" lines.


And finally, the final lines of the log a
.....
Loaded driver Fastfat.SYS
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\Cdfs.SYS
Did not load driver Processor
Did not load driver ECP Printer Port
Did not load driver Communications Port
Did not load driver Communications Port
Did not load driver CMI8738/C3DX PCI Audio Device
Did not load driver ATI Technologies Inc. 3D RAGE II+ PCI
Did not load driver Audio Codecs
Did not load driver Legacy Audio Drivers
Did not load driver Media Control Devices
Did not load driver Legacy Video Capture Devices
Did not load driver Video Codecs
Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\ndisuio.sys
--end log--

Thanks for looking at this anyhow. No one in the XP group had a
really clever suggestion, only to reinstall, with some suggestions
about the best way to do that.

"mm" wrote in message
...
Are any of the external, or if need be internal, harddrives that are
sold at stores these days work with win98SE?

I know that the MP3 player I bought two years ago said it required XP,
but that was just if I wanted to use special features. As long as I
only wanted to copy files to it from a PC using Windows Exploer, that
worked fine.

So I'm hoping that these harddrives will really work fine with 98SE.


I confess, I admit, I throw myself on the mercy of the ng, that I have
strayed, I have followed the desolute path, and I have installed
winXP.

It's in partition D: on the same harddrive, and it has stopped
working. I can almost complete booting, I get to the blue screen that
follows the welcome screen, the screen that should get a set of icons
and a taskbar if it would finish booting, but it doesn't. It stops
there.

So I log into win98SE on the other partition, and I can see the
directory structure of D fine, and probably all the files but one are
fine. The XP people said I should consider doing a Repair Install,
and I should back up XP before I reistall. I have backed up the data
from win98, but I need a bigger hd to do the whole partitions.

The store had a 500 Gig externnal drive for only 90 dollars. It's
soooo big. Any chance I can use it with win98. Is there Any brand I
can find at a store or order online that will work like this.

Thanks a lot.

I'm agreement in sorts with 98 guy. The 128 GB limitation is not a
partition limitation as he indicates though. Its the total amount in size
of files of an entire hard drive that 98SE can handle. Doesn't mattter if
are scattered about in multiple partitions on the same hard drive. Does not
matter if NTFS, FAT 32, or a combination. Yes, 98SE cannot see the NTFS
filesystem. But, its still a factor here regarding that limitation on one
hard drive. The capacity size of the hard drive, or the size of its
partitions are not a factor regarding this specific issue.

MS had some USB updates for 98SE. One that many people ignored or were
unaware of was the firewire update which also covered USB2 as well for 98SE.
--
Dave

"mm" wrote in message
...
Are any of the external, or if need be internal, harddrives that are
sold at stores these days work with win98SE?

I know that the MP3 player I bought two years ago said it required XP,
but that was just if I wanted to use special features. As long as I
only wanted to copy files to it from a PC using Windows Exploer, that
worked fine.

So I'm hoping that these harddrives will really work fine with 98SE.


I confess, I admit, I throw myself on the mercy of the ng, that I have
strayed, I have followed the desolute path, and I have installed
winXP.

It's in partition D: on the same harddrive, and it has stopped
working. I can almost complete booting, I get to the blue screen that
follows the welcome screen, the screen that should get a set of icons
and a taskbar if it would finish booting, but it doesn't. It stops
there.

So I log into win98SE on the other partition, and I can see the
directory structure of D fine, and probably all the files but one are
fine. The XP people said I should consider doing a Repair Install,
and I should back up XP before I reistall. I have backed up the data
from win98, but I need a bigger hd to do the whole partitions.

The store had a 500 Gig externnal drive for only 90 dollars. It's
soooo big. Any chance I can use it with win98. Is there Any brand I
can find at a store or order online that will work like this.

Thanks a lot.

I'm agreement in sorts with 98 guy. The 128 GB limitation is not a
partition limitation as he indicates though. Its the total amount in size
of files of an entire hard drive that 98SE can handle. Doesn't mattter if
are scattered about in multiple partitions on the same hard drive. Does not
matter if NTFS, FAT 32, or a combination. Yes, 98SE cannot see the NTFS
filesystem. But, its still a factor here regarding that limitation on one
hard drive. The capacity size of the hard drive, or the size of its
partitions are not a factor regarding this specific issue.

MS had some USB updates for 98SE. One that many people ignored or were
unaware of was the firewire update which also covered USB2 as well for 98SE.
--
Dave

You might not be able to use the Safely Disconnect feature - it depends on
the driver. Note, however, that simply having an Explorer windows open for
any folder on the drive is regarded as 'in use'. A normal shutdown will
still close all files on the drive properly. You can always use the Eject
option instead of Safely Remove - they do essentially the same thing. If
the drive has an access indicator light then you should see it go out to
indicate that the drive has been 'ejected'.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"mm" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:46:58 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
snip

I still had the covers on so I wanted to stop and remove them, but the
Disconnect USB Device kept saying, "May not disconnect now. Try
later" I kept closing programs but the message never went away,
so I turned the computer off.

You might not be able to use the Safely Disconnect feature - it depends on
the driver. Note, however, that simply having an Explorer windows open for
any folder on the drive is regarded as 'in use'. A normal shutdown will
still close all files on the drive properly. You can always use the Eject
option instead of Safely Remove - they do essentially the same thing. If
the drive has an access indicator light then you should see it go out to
indicate that the drive has been 'ejected'.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"mm" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:46:58 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
snip

I still had the covers on so I wanted to stop and remove them, but the
Disconnect USB Device kept saying, "May not disconnect now. Try
later" I kept closing programs but the message never went away,
so I turned the computer off.

Hello:

Would a freeware product like "NTFS for Win98" from Paragon Software help
resolve the problem of having to have the Win XP partition formatted as a
FAT32 partition? (There are also some other NTFS for Win 98/ME available,
some also for free.)

See: http://www.paragon-software.com/home.../download.html .

Has anyone tried and had success with any of these NTFS for Win 98/ME
software packages/drivers?

Cheers,

Jerry


"mm" wrote in message
news

?Additionally, the preferred file system for XP is NTFS...
but win98 cannot recognize an NTFS partition, so you will need to create
at least one Fat32 partition on the drive.

I used Fat32 in the first place, so I could read my XP data from 98.
In fact I still have Eudora and Agent in the C: partition and use the
same files whether I am in winXP or 98. I can't tell the difference.