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Ping: Glen Ventura and Franc Zabkar
did you see this page: http://www.thinkcp.com/techsupport/driver.asp Good job and the right Info! Almost makes me want to run win98 again In to day world you can have your cake and eat it too! Yep over the weekend I actually fired up a win98 machine |
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In message , Bill in Co
writes: thanatoid wrote: philo wrote in : On 03/26/2011 09:17 PM, Bill in Co wrote: thanatoid wrote: wrote in : Almost makes me want to run win98 again I love it. The LITE version. Active Desktop etc. are unbearable. I never ran Active Desktop with Win98SE - you don't need the Lite version for that. What other "etc" you're talking about, who knows. Win98SE is, in itself, pretty light. Yes. I've run Win Lite... but Win98 unmodified works fine on most any p-1 and up with at least 64 megs of RAM. 98SE Lite uses 3 main system files from 95B, so it is in fact "smaller" than 98 first edition. But all of them are bantamweights! I hate "everything shows as a web page" with idiot tips on the left which 98 introduced. I disabled all that (just like Active Desktop). Pretty easy to do. The benefits then being that you can still run Win98SE, and get the best of all worlds, since you have the latest and most complete version of Win98 that way. It just takes a few minutes to disable some of the "etc", which takes all of ten minutes. :-) Thanatoid and I looked at the alleged benefits '98 gave us, and decided none of them were anything we wanted, for the extra instability (however tiny) its extra complexity involved - or rather, the 98lite approach gives us all we want (such as _somewhat_ better USB support) in a smaller sleeker package. [Actually, there's one thing I moss with 98lite as opposed to 98normal: the progress bar when copying more than one file at once is better. But I was willing to live with that.] [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Veni Vidi Vacuum [I came, I saw, It sucked] - , 1998 |
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Ping: Glen Ventura and Franc Zabkar
thanatoid EVO D510 Was not made to Windows 98, But in the Windows 2000 have update for USB 2.0 Compaq EVO D510, Select operating system » Microsoft Windows 2000 » Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 » Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition » Microsoft Windows XP Professional » OS/2 » OS/2 Warp http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...5&swEnvOID=181 USB 2.0 Support for Windows 2000 1.00 A 6 Feb 2004 Do Not Run Driver - Chipset Intel Chipset Support for Windows 5.1.0.1008 A 18 Jan 2005 2.6 it will not work with Windows 98! |
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In message , glee
writes: "thanatoid" wrote in message ... [] The add-on card is just 2 USB connectors and wires that go into the MB. [] How long has this Belkin USB card been installed? Did you just put it in, or has it been there a while? Did it ever work? Does it work with other devices? Does the card have its own Win98 drivers or is it a newer card that does not have them? What model is the card? Did you check the Belkin web site for drivers? Is it a USB 2.0 card? I installed a USB 2.0 card in an old Pentium [] What thanatoid describes isn't a "card", just an adapter - a lead, if you like; it has no electronics on it. The USB controller it goes with is on the MB - just connected to headers that aren't standard USB headers. As such, it won't have drivers. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Veni Vidi Vacuum [I came, I saw, It sucked] - , 1998 |
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Ping: Glen Ventura and Franc Zabkar
"glee" wrote in
: snip How long has this Belkin USB card been installed? About a week. I tried it about 5 years ago but had the wires in the MB connectors wrong. I did it correctly this time, and it /is/ recognized by the system. Did you just put it in, or has it been there a while? Did it ever work? Does it work with other devices? It is "recognized and working correctly" but when I plug in a flash drive, nothing happens. I have not tried it with any other devices. I do have a digital camera with a USB cable but I figured if a 2MB Kingston stick won't work, nothing will. Does the card have its own Win98 drivers or is it a newer card that does not have them? What model is the card? Did you check the Belkin web site for drivers? It is this: http://www.belkin.com/support/articl...26pid%3DF3U001 %26aid%3D4275%26scid%3D0 No drivers, nothing. They actually call it a cable which come to think IS the correct term - it IS a cable with a bracket on which the USB ports are. Plugs into the MB. Is it a USB 2.0 card? I am pretty sure it is 1.1 because it is from 1998, although I bought it much later. Actually, if there us /no/ difference in the connectors, it can be anything, but I have contacted PCChips and they replied IMMEDIATELY and among other things have told me that the MB has USB 1.1. support. However, they said it is controlled by the Intel 430TX chipset, but Franc mentioned the USB function on those MB's is controlled either by SIS or VIA. I will have to look into this. Since my 3 yr. old LG CRT monitor died this morning, I have struggled with getting the Intel Xtreme graphics to work with my backup 17 year old HP monitor. To make it short(er) for a change, I am on 16 colors at 640x480 because while I DID finally figure out that changing the display driver in system.ini to vga or supervga will prevent the psychedelic screen display (85Hz on a monitor which can only do 60Hz at 800x600), the system tells me the driver is NG/incompatible/etc. I don't mind, actually. It is nice to be looking at a 14" monitor. I am amazed how well it is working. I installed a USB 2.0 card in an old Pentium system years ago, and it would not function if the "Enhanced USB Host Controller" (which is the USB 2.0 controller) was installed. If I removed the Enhanced Controller from Device Manager and did not allow it to reinstall (leaving it banged out in DM as an unknown device), the card functioned as USB 1.1 ports with no problems, using a 2.x version of the Maximus Decim mass storage drivers. I vaguely (my memory is getting worse all the time) remember that when I installed the Max Decim drivers upon rebooting, Windows wanted to install its drivers which I have removed, and, it haviong been a long time since I did any hardware stuff, lket alone /display/, and being older and dumber, I let it install them instead of just "skipping the files". I was going to try "skipping" them next, along with a variety of other drivers I have located all over the place and which philo also directed me to. But as I just said, I was a little distracted by no system at all for a while. It took me a while to figure out how to use the old HP (made by Samsung ICAC) with the Compaq EVO. Most of the 3rd-party USB generic drivers like the Italian driver, only provide support for the plugged-in mass storage devices, not for the card itself. I apologize for using the term card, I should have said cable from the beginning. The 3.x versions, but NOT the 2.x versions of the Maximus Decim drivers, supply Enhanced drivers for the card also, but you have to make sure you first remove any Enhanced USB 2.0 drivers that were installed with the card originally, IIRC. Yes, I did that, but not /exactly/ right. Franc tells me he has the 571 (identical to my 572 except missing either audio or video onboard IIRC) and the 3.x version works perfectly. Thank you for the reply. |
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"MyNews" wrote in
: thanatoid EVO D510 Was not made to Windows 98, But in the Windows 2000 have update for USB 2.0 Compaq EVO D510, Select operating system » Microsoft Windows 2000 » Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 » Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition » Microsoft Windows XP Professional » OS/2 » OS/2 Warp http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...rt/SoftwareInd ex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=97131&prodTypeId=1 2454&prodS eriesId=96302&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=181 USB 2.0 Support for Windows 2000 1.00 A 6 Feb 2004 Do Not Run Driver - Chipset Intel Chipset Support for Windows 5.1.0.1008 A 18 Jan 2005 2.6 it will not work with Windows 98! I appreciate the time you took to look this up, but USB works perfectly with my EVO D510 on 98SE Lite - once I installed the Max Decim 3.3 driver for 98. It always worked on XP (it's a dual-boot). This problem concerns a 1997 computer with a PCChips M572 MB. |
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Ping: Glen Ventura and Franc Zabkar
"MyNews" wrote in
: thanatoid EVO D510 Was not made to Windows 98, But in the Windows 2000 have update for USB 2.0 Compaq EVO D510, Select operating system » Microsoft Windows 2000 » Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 » Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition » Microsoft Windows XP Professional » OS/2 » OS/2 Warp http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...rt/SoftwareInd ex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=97131&prodTypeId=1 2454&prodS eriesId=96302&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=181 USB 2.0 Support for Windows 2000 1.00 A 6 Feb 2004 Do Not Run Driver - Chipset Intel Chipset Support for Windows 5.1.0.1008 A 18 Jan 2005 2.6 it will not work with Windows 98! I appreciate the time you took to look this up, but my Compaq EVO has no problems with USB on Win 98Lite once I installed the Max Decim 3.3 drivers. This problem concerns a 1997 PI computer with a PCChips M572 MB. |
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Ping: Glen Ventura and Franc Zabkar
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
... In message , glee writes: "thanatoid" wrote in message ... [] The add-on card is just 2 USB connectors and wires that go into the MB. [] How long has this Belkin USB card been installed? Did you just put it in, or has it been there a while? Did it ever work? Does it work with other devices? Does the card have its own Win98 drivers or is it a newer card that does not have them? What model is the card? Did you check the Belkin web site for drivers? Is it a USB 2.0 card? I installed a USB 2.0 card in an old Pentium [] What thanatoid describes isn't a "card", just an adapter - a lead, if you like; it has no electronics on it. The USB controller it goes with is on the MB - just connected to headers that aren't standard USB headers. As such, it won't have drivers. Ahhh! I missed that detail. He's using a motherboard adapter cable set like this, then: http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Dual-Po.../dp/B00004Z5NH or more closely for that mobo, this: http://www.m571.com/m571/usb_files/image005.gif It connects to the USB header on the motherboard, but he will have to be sure to get the pin-outs right. If using an adapter not made for that mobo, the wires may not be in the proper order and will have to be rearranged. Franc covered this in thanatoid's older thread from 3 years ago: http://help.wugnet.com/windows2/ftop...orderasc-.html -- Glen Ventura MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 CompTIA A+ http://dts-l.net/ |
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"Bill in Co" wrote in
m: thanatoid wrote: 98SE Lite uses 3 main system files from 95B, so it is in fact "smaller" than 98 first edition. But all of them are bantamweights! Some cocks are bigger than others ;-) I hate "everything shows as a web page" with idiot tips on the left which 98 introduced. I disabled all that (just like Active Desktop). Pretty easy to do. The benefits then being that you can still run Win98SE, and get the best of all worlds, since you have the latest and most complete version of Win98 that way. It just takes a few minutes to disable some of the "etc", which takes all of ten minutes. :-) I can do absolutely everything with 98SE /Lite/ except capture video since no card/box exists which has drivers for anything older than XP. That is the /only/ reason I installed XP. It drives me /crazy/, I hate it. That's why I occasionally venture into eldritch and forbidden areas - such as Linux Mint and soon, Haiti. I can see one possible advantage in running Win98 Lite, and that might be for someone trying to run Win98 on, say, 64K of RAM, or using a 100 MHz CPU. But, let's get real! :-) AFAIK, me sitting here and doing this in 98SE Lite is pretty real. The USB card/cable problem has arisen EXACTLY because I just installed 98SE Lite on a 1997 PI 166MHz with 96MB of RAM. And I am trying to get the 2 USB ports to work. I have a lot of stuff to do, and I could really use the 2 computers again. I just don't really want to burn CD-RW's to transfer info between them, when USB /should/ work on the 166! (I also have a bunch of USB DOS drivers and will try them if nothing works in Windows.) When I first used it I had a p-1 75mhz with 40 megs of RAM. I eventually upgraded the machine to 200mhz and 128 megs of ram and it performed very well. I'm sure it did - even my 166 with 96MB of RAM works fine - a little slow compared to the 2GHz Compaq, but it's nice and nostalgic. snip |
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Ping: Glen Ventura and Franc Zabkar
philo wrote in news:imqn51$3hq$2@dont-
email.me: did you see this page: http://www.thinkcp.com/techsupport/driver.asp Good job and the right Info! Almost makes me want to run win98 again In to day world you can have your cake and eat it too! Yep over the weekend I actually fired up a win98 machine How was it? As much fun as you thought or a little "too nostalgically slow"? |
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