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In message , Bill in Co
writes:
thanatoid wrote:
philo wrote in
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Almost makes me want to run win98 again

I love it. The LITE version. Active Desktop etc. are unbearable.

I never ran Active Desktop with Win98SE - you don't need the Lite version
for that. What other "etc" you're talking about, who knows. Win98SE is,
in itself, pretty light.


Well, essentials like graded-colour title bars, and other eye-candy ...
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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In message , Bill in Co
writes:
thanatoid wrote:
philo wrote in
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Almost makes me want to run win98 again

I love it. The LITE version. Active Desktop etc. are unbearable.

I never ran Active Desktop with Win98SE - you don't need the Lite version
for that. What other "etc" you're talking about, who knows. Win98SE
is,
in itself, pretty light.


Well, essentials like graded-colour title bars, and other eye-candy ...



Just for the heck of it...I fired up a P-1 I had in the workshop .

Booted to Win98 and I installed Kernelex

Though the Firefox download page said the OS was not supported...
it gave me the option to download it.
Once downloaded, it installed and worked fine.

philo wrote in
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On 03/26/2011 09:17 PM, Bill in Co wrote:
thanatoid wrote:
wrote in
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Almost makes me want to run win98 again

I love it. The LITE version. Active Desktop etc. are
unbearable.

I never ran Active Desktop with Win98SE - you don't need
the Lite version for that. What other "etc" you're
talking about, who knows. Win98SE is, in itself, pretty
light.

Yes. I've run Win Lite...
but Win98 unmodified works fine on most any p-1 and up with
at least 64 megs of RAM.

98SE Lite uses 3 main system files from 95B, so it is in fact
"smaller" than 98 first edition.

I hate "everything shows as a web page" with idiot tips on the
left which 98 introduced.

When I first used it I had a p-1 75mhz with 40 megs of RAM.

I eventually upgraded the machine to 200mhz and 128 megs of
ram and it performed very well.

The only reason I eventually moved on to Win2k was
because I was continually plugging in and removing USB
devices and even if I used the devices properly I'd
occasionally lock up the system. Never happened once with
win2k

Well, I wish /I/ would get to the point where I have to be
"continually plugging in and removing USB devices" !

Unfortunately, the one driver (for USB1.1) which I tried from
the link you provided did not work. However, I have DL'd a whole
bunch of them from all over the place and this will take some
more time...

I also have about 5 or 6 DOS programs, and may try laplink,
since it is supposed to compress, and so be faster, than a
standard serial connection (like the one Total Commander offers
as a plug-in).

If worst comes to worst, I will just do what I did for 4 years -
burn a CD-RW on one or the other machine depending on what I
needed to do.

Computers are our friends. Sigh.

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid
put finger to keyboard and composed:

I have spent several days searching, I have all of Maximum
Decim's drives from 2.00 to 3.3, and the tiny Italian driver
which is supposed to work wonders, "wtgenusb" - it installs but
does not function properly and there's nothing I can do.

I'm using version 3.x of the Maximus Decim driver set without any
problems on an M571 board with onboard SiS 7001 USB 1.1 host
controller. If your add-on board has a VIA chipset, then these have
known issues.

VIA Tips and Tricks:
http://www.usbman.com/Guides/VIA%20T...d%20Tricks.htm

Microsoft has a UVCView utility that can identify your USB devices and
controllers, even in the absence of drivers:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB...VCView.x86.exe

- Franc Zabkar
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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Franc Zabkar wrote in
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid
put finger to keyboard and
composed:

I have spent several days searching, I have all of Maximum
Decim's drives from 2.00 to 3.3, and the tiny Italian
driver which is supposed to work wonders, "wtgenusb" - it
installs but does not function properly and there's nothing
I can do.

I'm using version 3.x of the Maximus Decim driver set
without any problems on an M571 board with onboard SiS 7001
USB 1.1 host controller. If your add-on board has a VIA
chipset, then these have known issues.

The 3.3 driver works like a charm on my 98SELite installed on a
Compaq EVO D510, but I am not having such luck with the 166MHz
machine...

VIA Tips and Tricks:
http://www.usbman.com/Guides/VIA%20T...d%20Tricks.htm

Microsoft has a UVCView utility that can identify your USB
devices and controllers, even in the absence of drivers:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB...VCView.x86.exe

Thanks for the reply.

The add-on card is just 2 USB connectors and wires that go into
the MB.

Now that I know the onboard controller is a SIS it should make
this a little easier.

And thanks for the link to your utility, hopefully it will
confirm what I think I have.

I will keep you guys posted...

thanatoid wrote:
philo wrote in
:

On 03/26/2011 09:17 PM, Bill in Co wrote:
thanatoid wrote:
wrote in
:

Almost makes me want to run win98 again

I love it. The LITE version. Active Desktop etc. are
unbearable.

I never ran Active Desktop with Win98SE - you don't need
the Lite version for that. What other "etc" you're
talking about, who knows. Win98SE is, in itself, pretty
light.

Yes. I've run Win Lite...
but Win98 unmodified works fine on most any p-1 and up with
at least 64 megs of RAM.

98SE Lite uses 3 main system files from 95B, so it is in fact
"smaller" than 98 first edition.

But all of them are bantamweights!

I hate "everything shows as a web page" with idiot tips on the
left which 98 introduced.

I disabled all that (just like Active Desktop). Pretty easy to do.
The benefits then being that you can still run Win98SE, and get the best of
all worlds, since you have the latest and most complete version of Win98
that way.
It just takes a few minutes to disable some of the "etc", which takes all of
ten minutes. :-)

I can see one possible advantage in running Win98 Lite, and that might be
for someone trying to run Win98 on, say, 64K of RAM, or using a 100 MHz CPU.
But, let's get real! :-)

When I first used it I had a p-1 75mhz with 40 megs of RAM.

I eventually upgraded the machine to 200mhz and 128 megs of
ram and it performed very well.

The only reason I eventually moved on to Win2k was
because I was continually plugging in and removing USB
devices and even if I used the devices properly I'd
occasionally lock up the system. Never happened once with
win2k

Well, I wish /I/ would get to the point where I have to be
"continually plugging in and removing USB devices" !

Unfortunately, the one driver (for USB1.1) which I tried from
the link you provided did not work. However, I have DL'd a whole
bunch of them from all over the place and this will take some
more time...

I also have about 5 or 6 DOS programs, and may try laplink,
since it is supposed to compress, and so be faster, than a
standard serial connection (like the one Total Commander offers
as a plug-in).

If worst comes to worst, I will just do what I did for 4 years -
burn a CD-RW on one or the other machine depending on what I
needed to do.

Computers are our friends. Sigh.

"thanatoid" wrote in message
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Franc Zabkar wrote in
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid
put finger to keyboard and
composed:

I have spent several days searching, I have all of Maximum
Decim's drives from 2.00 to 3.3, and the tiny Italian
driver which is supposed to work wonders, "wtgenusb" - it
installs but does not function properly and there's nothing
I can do.

I'm using version 3.x of the Maximus Decim driver set
without any problems on an M571 board with onboard SiS 7001
USB 1.1 host controller. If your add-on board has a VIA
chipset, then these have known issues.

The 3.3 driver works like a charm on my 98SELite installed on a
Compaq EVO D510, but I am not having such luck with the 166MHz
machine...

VIA Tips and Tricks:
http://www.usbman.com/Guides/VIA%20T...d%20Tricks.htm

Microsoft has a UVCView utility that can identify your USB
devices and controllers, even in the absence of drivers:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB...VCView.x86.exe

Thanks for the reply.

The add-on card is just 2 USB connectors and wires that go into
the MB.

Now that I know the onboard controller is a SIS it should make
this a little easier.

And thanks for the link to your utility, hopefully it will
confirm what I think I have.

I will keep you guys posted...

How long has this Belkin USB card been installed? Did you just put it
in, or has it been there a while? Did it ever work? Does it work with
other devices?

Does the card have its own Win98 drivers or is it a newer card that does
not have them? What model is the card? Did you check the Belkin web
site for drivers?

Is it a USB 2.0 card? I installed a USB 2.0 card in an old Pentium
system years ago, and it would not function if the "Enhanced USB Host
Controller" (which is the USB 2.0 controller) was installed. If I
removed the Enhanced Controller from Device Manager and did not allow it
to reinstall (leaving it banged out in DM as an unknown device), the
card functioned as USB 1.1 ports with no problems, using a 2.x version
of the Maximus Decim mass storage drivers.

Most of the 3rd-party USB generic drivers like the Italian driver, only
provide support for the plugged-in mass storage devices, not for the
card itself. The 3.x versions, but NOT the 2.x versions of the Maximus
Decim drivers, supply Enhanced drivers for the card also, but you have
to make sure you first remove any Enhanced USB 2.0 drivers that were
installed with the card originally, IIRC.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+
http://dts-l.net/

"philo" wrote in message
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On 03/26/2011 01:14 PM, Hot-text wrote:

"philo" wrote in message
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On 03/26/2011 01:02 AM, thanatoid wrote:
Hello again,

This is about a 1997 PCChips M572 MB, a Belkin 2 port USB card,
and USB drivers to get the whole thing to work. It appears quite
a few people HAVE done it, but I have had very limited success,
and have yet to see a stick flashing after being plugged in.

I should mention I have installed Win98SELite on this machine,
and it is running just fine.

I also upgraded the BIOS to the latest version from 1999. AMong
many others, I read a thread from someone who tried to do the
same thing and mentioned some of the same weird error messages
("CPU setting incorrect", etc.) but with some perseverance I
managed to overcome all those problems and everything is working
just fine. I have saved this new configuration - and I also have
the original BIOS config saved.

I know you guys know a lot about older stuff. In fact, in 2007
we participated in a thread about getting USB to work with the
very same Belkin 2-port card for the PCChips M572 MB. I have
since managed to correctly (yes, I did it wrong then) connect
this card to my MB, and Device Manager shows 2 USB ports as
working correctly.

The problem is that when I plug in a USB flash drive, nothing
happens.

I have spent several days searching, I have all of Maximum
Decim's drives from 2.00 to 3.3, and the tiny Italian driver
which is supposed to work wonders, "wtgenusb" - it installs but
does not function properly and there's nothing I can do.

I also tried to install Kingston Data Traveler II drivers (these
are the sticks I use) but it will not install properly for
reasons I do not understand. All that ends up in its direwctory
is *eject.exe (I forget) and two inf files, both 0 bytes. No
wonder it does nothing.

I did get /somewhere/ with the 2.23 version of Max Decim - it
actually showed "Pen Drive something" in Device Manager, but
still, nothing worked.

I want to try ALL the Max Decim drivers, especially the 2.x
versions, but in trying the 2 or 3 I have tried so far I keep on
running into a rather annoying problem.

After I remove all the MS USB stuff in the Device Manager,
whether in normal of safe mode, and I install Max Decim, which
then asks for a reboot, when I am (re)booting into Windows,
Windows claims to have found "new hardware" and installs the
very same drivers I just removed prior to the Max Decim install.

I have gone through this nearly 10 times by now, and it keeps on
happening. A vicious circle.

I am really fond of this 1996 computer, and while for a few
years I really did not need to use it, I could REALLY use it
now. Plus my KVM switch is feeling unneeded!

Do you have any suggestions?

Thanks,
t.



did you see this page:


http://www.thinkcp.com/techsupport/driver.asp

Good job and the right Info!




Almost makes me want to run win98 again

In to day world you can have your cake and eat it too!

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"thanatoid" wrote in message
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Franc Zabkar wrote in
:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid
put finger to keyboard and
composed:

I have spent several days searching, I have all of Maximum
Decim's drives from 2.00 to 3.3, and the tiny Italian
driver which is supposed to work wonders, "wtgenusb" - it
installs but does not function properly and there's nothing
I can do.

I'm using version 3.x of the Maximus Decim driver set
without any problems on an M571 board with onboard SiS 7001
USB 1.1 host controller. If your add-on board has a VIA
chipset, then these have known issues.

The 3.3 driver works like a charm on my 98SELite installed on a
Compaq EVO D510, but I am not having such luck with the 166MHz
machine...

VIA Tips and Tricks:
http://www.usbman.com/Guides/VIA%20T...d%20Tricks.htm

Microsoft has a UVCView utility that can identify your USB
devices and controllers, even in the absence of drivers:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB...VCView.x86.exe

Thanks for the reply.

The add-on card is just 2 USB connectors and wires that go into
the MB.

Now that I know the onboard controller is a SIS it should make
this a little easier.

And thanks for the link to your utility, hopefully it will
confirm what I think I have.

I will keep you guys posted...

onboard controller is a SIS

so it a Compaq

You need to go to HP, for the update to the SIS drives for Windows 98!

Everest Home Edition pc diagnostics, by: Lavalys
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html



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"glee" wrote in message
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"thanatoid" wrote in message
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Franc Zabkar wrote in
:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid
put finger to keyboard and
composed:

I have spent several days searching, I have all of Maximum
Decim's drives from 2.00 to 3.3, and the tiny Italian
driver which is supposed to work wonders, "wtgenusb" - it
installs but does not function properly and there's nothing
I can do.

I'm using version 3.x of the Maximus Decim driver set
without any problems on an M571 board with onboard SiS 7001
USB 1.1 host controller. If your add-on board has a VIA
chipset, then these have known issues.

The 3.3 driver works like a charm on my 98SELite installed on a
Compaq EVO D510, but I am not having such luck with the 166MHz
machine...

VIA Tips and Tricks:
http://www.usbman.com/Guides/VIA%20T...d%20Tricks.htm

Microsoft has a UVCView utility that can identify your USB
devices and controllers, even in the absence of drivers:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB...VCView.x86.exe

Thanks for the reply.

The add-on card is just 2 USB connectors and wires that go into
the MB.

Now that I know the onboard controller is a SIS it should make
this a little easier.

And thanks for the link to your utility, hopefully it will
confirm what I think I have.

I will keep you guys posted...

How long has this Belkin USB card been installed? Did you just put it in,
or has it been there a while? Did it ever work? Does it work with other
devices?

Does the card have its own Win98 drivers or is it a newer card that does
not have them? What model is the card? Did you check the Belkin web site
for drivers?

Is it a USB 2.0 card? I installed a USB 2.0 card in an old Pentium system
years ago, and it would not function if the "Enhanced USB Host Controller"
(which is the USB 2.0 controller) was installed. If I removed the
Enhanced Controller from Device Manager and did not allow it to reinstall
(leaving it banged out in DM as an unknown device), the card functioned as
USB 1.1 ports with no problems, using a 2.x version of the Maximus Decim
mass storage drivers.

Most of the 3rd-party USB generic drivers like the Italian driver, only
provide support for the plugged-in mass storage devices, not for the card
itself. The 3.x versions, but NOT the 2.x versions of the Maximus Decim
drivers, supply Enhanced drivers for the card also, but you have to make
sure you first remove any Enhanced USB 2.0 drivers that were installed
with the card originally, IIRC.


So true Glen Ventura that why I like you here to Belkin Drives for USB 2.0

http://web.belkin.com/support/downlo...1&lang=1&mode=

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