Firefox Update

"Mike M" wrote in message
...

Have you checked out IE7, although, of course, it won't run on Win9x
systems.

No, I have some kind allergy to Beta products, probably something to do with
carrots...??
(http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/carot...tene_home.html)

So, I usually stay away...

Seriously though, the leaked version (intentional?) has done no good to IE's
reputation and the flood of problems posted all over the internet, makes me
wonder how smart users are... installing Beta software that is still be
under strict scrutiny/test and expecting it to perform at 110%.


Be aware that even being pro-FF, I will never be anti-IE.

I do run it daily too.

Now, I will turn on my nuclear protection shield... and stay
undercover for the next 6 months.
:-)

LOL - what about me? vbg
--
Mike Maltby



ROFL
(food and drinks welcome)

Zee

Mike M wrote:

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Have you checked out IE7, although, of course, it won't run on Win9x
systems.

snip

IE7 Beta 2 Vulnerability Discovered in 15 Minutes

http://www.nist.org/news.php?extend.75

I think I'll stick with FF.

Seriously though, the leaked version

Leaked version? Both beta 1 and the recent beta 2 release are freely
available from Microsoft. Internet Explorer 7: Beta 2 Preview (requires
Flash!) http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/default.mspx

Seriously though, the leaked version (intentional?) has done no good
to IE's reputation

That's absolute crap and simply shows the ignorance of those making such
comments who have quite probably not even used IE7.
--
Mike Maltby



oops!! wrote:

"Mike M" wrote in message
...

Have you checked out IE7, although, of course, it won't run on Win9x
systems.

No, I have some kind allergy to Beta products, probably something to
do with carrots...??
(http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/carot...tene_home.html)

So, I usually stay away...

Seriously though, the leaked version (intentional?) has done no good
to IE's reputation and the flood of problems posted all over the
internet, makes me wonder how smart users are... installing Beta
software that is still be under strict scrutiny/test and expecting it
to perform at 110%.

TomV wrote:

snip

IE7 Beta 2 Vulnerability Discovered in 15 Minutes

http://www.nist.org/news.php?extend.75

I think I'll stick with FF.

You, as is the case with all PC, users are free to choose which vulnerable
product to use from those available and FF is no more free of problems
than products from Microsoft. The article you referenced contains lots of
"possibilities" and "mights". :-) Interesting nevertheless and shows
just how much care is needed in coding and the amount of testing that is
required to produce a reliable product.

As I said earlier:
"... all products have weaknesses whatever their source and if anything is
to be learned by the end user it is to be aware and to use their best
efforts to protect their own back. Not easy but being aware of the
possibility of trouble is a good place to start."
--
Mike Maltby

"Mike M" wrote in message
...

Leaked version? Both beta 1 and the recent beta 2 release are freely
available from Microsoft. Internet Explorer 7: Beta 2 Preview (requires
Flash!) http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/default.mspx

That just shows you how much I keep away from Beta software.

Zee

Mike M wrote:
TomV wrote:

snip

IE7 Beta 2 Vulnerability Discovered in 15 Minutes

http://www.nist.org/news.php?extend.75

I think I'll stick with FF.

You, as is the case with all PC, users are free to choose which
vulnerable product to use from those available and FF is no more free of
problems than products from Microsoft. The article you referenced
contains lots of "possibilities" and "mights". :-) Interesting
nevertheless and shows just how much care is needed in coding and the
amount of testing that is required to produce a reliable product.

It's always ultimately the user's choice. The article was interesting,
and I thought somewhat ironic given Microsoft's current emphasis on
security. But it is is a beta version, so in fairness it'll be the
final release that will be provide the true measure.

As I said earlier:
"... all products have weaknesses whatever their source and if anything
is to be learned by the end user it is to be aware and to use their best
efforts to protect their own back. Not easy but being aware of the
possibility of trouble is a good place to start."

Just a quick look at NIST's home page certainly bears this out.

oops!! wrote:

That just shows you how much I keep away from Beta software.

Often a very good decision. No reason why you shouldn't stick to your
guns. The advantage of testing is that one sometimes has a chance to
influence how a product develops however with many betas (and I am not
just talking here of Microsoft) is that the developers involved only
listen to what they want to hear.
--
Mike Maltby

Zee:
In my experience ActiveX can be successfully controlled.
I did try FFsome time ago and just couldn't get used to its functioning and
the graphics. Maybe that's because I have got so fond of IE.
If I ever decide for FF, I can install it anytime, since I have it
downloaded already.
To each his own, I guess.

Harry.


"oops!!" wrote in message
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Harry,

In the end, yes, but that shouldn't be the only reason.

And even risking some flaming, Active X alone is a good reason to keep IE
away.

Be aware that even being pro-FF, I will never be anti-IE.

I do run it daily too.

Now, I will turn on my nuclear protection shield... and stay undercover
for
the next 6 months.
:-)

Zee




"webster72n" wrote in message
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"oops!!" wrote in message
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Myths and reality:

Secunia - Vulnerability Report - Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.x:
http://secunia.com/product/11/

Secunia - Vulnerability Report - Mozilla Firefox 1.x:
http://secunia.com/product/4227/

Bottom line, and quoting Mike M:

"...it is clear that all products have weaknesses whatever their source
and
if anything is to be learned by the end user it is to be aware and to
use
their best efforts to protect their own back..."

No doubt.

Zee
(running FF and loving it)

Isn't that more of a personal preference than anything else, Zee?
Harry.






"Mike M" wrote in message
...
IE, I believe,
has had more security updates than Firefox

That is an urban myth. In the last six months of 2005 Firefox needed

to
have something like twice as many security holes fixed as IE. As for
waiting for a patch, personally I'd prefer to know of a vulnerability
and
a possible work-around and then in due course get a patch that worked
which can on occasion take time to test and evaluate - especially
where
it
might have critical impact on a commercial company.

Having said that it is clear that all products have weaknesses
whatever
their source and if anything is to be learned by the end user it is
to
be
aware and to use their best efforts to protect their own back. Not
easy
but being aware of the possibility of trouble is a good place to
start.
Remember also that the badware guys are looking for the most bang for
their buck or effort so tend to target products with the largest user
bases hence why PCs get targeted far more often than Macs and IE more
often than Firefox, Opera and the like. Similarly today most
exploits
are
aimed at those running NT based systems such as XP rather than the
dwindling legacy 9x user base. A good example here being the WMF
exploit
none of which to date have been aimed at or "work" on 9x systems.
--
Mike Maltby



Alias wrote:

I guess it's being attacked more due to its popularity. IE, I
believe,
has had more security updates than Firefox but, unlike Firefox, you
have wait up to a month to get them.

"webster72n" wrote in message
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In my experience ActiveX can be successfully controlled.

With FF, you just don't worry, no need to control.


I did try FFsome time ago and just couldn't get used to its functioning
and
the graphics. Maybe that's because I have got so fond of IE.

FYI, there are themes that will make FF look-a-like IE (IMO, that's a big
yuck!!!).


If I ever decide for FF, I can install it anytime, since I have it
downloaded already.
To each his own, I guess.

Again, yes.
But that should not be the only reason.
Hopefully IE7 will implement some of the pros of FF and walk away from most
of the cons of IE.
At least on "paper" it looks good.

Cheers,

Zee

.....of the cons of IE6....

My fat fingers missed that "6" key.
:-)

Zee